Guest guest Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 JOHN: What do you mean `strips away the student's ignorance on the spot? Ram: Most people, particularly Westerners unfamiliar with the teaching tradition of Advaita Vedanta, think Vedanta is just about studying scripture and therefore only produces intellectuals, pundits they call them here, who know a bunch of profound concepts…but are not Self realized. And it is true that there are schools that produce pundits…which is not all that bad …because the ideas need to be kept alive anyway. But Vedanta is not a belief system nor is it a passive body of information that is meant to be interpreted according your own tastes. It is a means of Self knowledge that works in a very dynamic and practical way to remove the student's ignorance about who he or she is. And very often enlightenment happens right in the classroom as the teacher is unfolding the teachings. This is possible because Vedanta says that you are already enlightened because you are the Self and there is only one Self. All that prevents you from knowing it are the erroneous notions you have about yourself and the world. So assuming you want to be free of your limiting views you expose yourself to the teaching and it let it remove your ignorance. < http://www.shiningworld.com/Books%20Pages/HTML%20Books/Ramana%27s%20Teachings.ht\ m > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > JOHN: What do you mean `strips away the student's ignorance on the > spot? > > > > > > Ram: Most people, particularly Westerners unfamiliar with the > > teaching tradition of Advaita Vedanta, think Vedanta is just about > > studying scripture and therefore only produces intellectuals, pundits > > they call them here, who know a bunch of profound concepts…but are not > > Self realized. And it is true that there are schools that produce > > pundits…which is not all that bad …because the ideas need to be kept > > alive anyway. > > > > But Vedanta is not a belief system > > > > > > Vedanta IS a belief system. > nor is it a passive body of > > information that is meant to be interpreted according your own tastes. > > It is a means of Self knowledge that works in a very dynamic and > > practical way to remove the student's ignorance about who he or she > > is. And very often enlightenment happens right in the classroom as > > the teacher is unfolding the teachings. > > > > > New age pap! > > > > > > > > > This is possible because Vedanta says that you are already enlightened > > because you are the Self and there is only one Self. All that > > prevents you from knowing it are the erroneous notions you have about > > yourself and the world. So assuming you want to be free of your > > limiting views you expose yourself to the teaching and it let it > > remove your ignorance. > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > > > JOHN: What do you mean `strips away the student's ignorance on the spot? > > > Ram: Most people, particularly Westerners unfamiliar with the > teaching tradition of Advaita Vedanta, think Vedanta is just about > studying scripture and therefore only produces intellectuals, pundits > they call them here, who know a bunch of profound concepts…but are not > Self realized. And it is true that there are schools that produce > pundits…which is not all that bad …because the ideas need to be kept > alive anyway. > > But Vedanta is not a belief system Vedanta IS a belief system. nor is it a passive body of > information that is meant to be interpreted according your own tastes. > It is a means of Self knowledge that works in a very dynamic and > practical way to remove the student's ignorance about who he or she > is. And very often enlightenment happens right in the classroom as > the teacher is unfolding the teachings. New age pap! A shadow is not enlightened when it is exposed to the sun. A student is not enlightenbed when exposed to the Understanding. Ram.............take a seat. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > JOHN: What do you mean `strips away the student's ignorance on the > > spot? > > > > > > > > > Ram: Most people, particularly Westerners unfamiliar with the > > > teaching tradition of Advaita Vedanta, think Vedanta is just about > > > studying scripture and therefore only produces intellectuals, pundits > > > they call them here, who know a bunch of profound concepts…but are not > > > Self realized. And it is true that there are schools that produce > > > pundits…which is not all that bad …because the ideas need to be kept > > > alive anyway. > > > > > > But Vedanta is not a belief system > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedanta IS a belief system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nor is it a passive body of > > > information that is meant to be interpreted according your own tastes. > > > It is a means of Self knowledge that works in a very dynamic and > > > practical way to remove the student's ignorance about who he or she > > > is. And very often enlightenment happens right in the classroom as > > > the teacher is unfolding the teachings. > > > > > > > > > > New age pap! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is possible because Vedanta says that you are already enlightened > > > because you are the Self and there is only one Self. All that > > > prevents you from knowing it are the erroneous notions you have about > > > yourself and the world. So assuming you want to be free of your > > > limiting views you expose yourself to the teaching and it let it > > > remove your ignorance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > JOHN: What do you mean `strips away the student's ignorance on the > spot? > > > > > > Ram: Most people, particularly Westerners unfamiliar with the > > teaching tradition of Advaita Vedanta, think Vedanta is just about > > studying scripture and therefore only produces intellectuals, pundits > > they call them here, who know a bunch of profound concepts…but are not > > Self realized. And it is true that there are schools that produce > > pundits…which is not all that bad …because the ideas need to be kept > > alive anyway. > > > > But Vedanta is not a belief system > > > > > > Vedanta IS a belief system. > nor is it a passive body of > > information that is meant to be interpreted according your own tastes. > > It is a means of Self knowledge that works in a very dynamic and > > practical way to remove the student's ignorance about who he or she > > is. And very often enlightenment happens right in the classroom as > > the teacher is unfolding the teachings. > > > > > New age pap! A shadow is not enlightened when it is exposed to the sun. > > A student is not enlightenbed when exposed to the Understanding. > > > Ram.............take a seat. > > > > You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. > > > > toombaru > people have no idea what they are talking about: ideas have people about, through whom they are talking. absolute negation is absolute affirmation. whether one puts the accent on the plus side or on the minus side is a merely the measure of the love one is living or dying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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