Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 On Oct 28, 2006, at 7:05 AM, Insight wrote: > > > > P: Well, heck, that sounds wise. Best post you ever > posted. Not too long either. > > J: AC's premise is that " consciousness is > the root of all pain " and then he points > to " needing " (grasping, craving). Then he argues > that in order to be free from pain one must > give up consciousness. Not sure how one would > do that. Tips? Perhaps consciousness is just > fine and what could be given up is the " needing " ? > " Bliss is oblivion " ? Then what bliss to sleep. P: Well, I don't see what he wrote as a series of causally connected or logical propositions. I see it more as a list of insights not connected by any logical thread, yet each relevant on their own merit. In this series, the first is the last: That 'non-existence is what exist' means that the unconscious is the eternal root of consciousness, and that the unknown is the source of knowing. And that both consciousness and knowing are not only the root of dukkha, but need dukkha/ bliss to be. Consciousness, Awareness, and knowing are transitory mirages in the immutable, total unknowing. NNB > > Arvind wrote: > >> Non-existence is... >> what exists! > >> ### > >> consciousness requires division. >> consciousness requires two. > >> #### > >> consciouness requires pain. >> Utter bliss is utter oblivion. > >> #### > >> consciousness/knowledge/awareness >> is in the root of all pain! > >> #### > >> " need to know " , " need to feel " , " need to experience " , >> " need to feel " is... > >> the birth of 'division'! >> >> " need to know " is the birth of the " human " ! >> >> " need to know " is the birth of " consciouness " ! > >> ### > >> " consciouness " [desire to " know " ] is the last desire >> to give up! > >> Once you give up " consciouness " ... >> there is nothing more to give... > >> and, 'no one' left to give >> up anything! > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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