Guest guest Posted November 11, 2006 Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 Adithya, I find your posts excellent. Hope you don't mind me asking, just out of sheer curiosity: Do you still fight? This isn't a subversive question. I would suspect, however, that if you remember yourself/notself, as is suggested by your posts, you'd be less likely to find yourself engaged in conflict. I recognize that you haven't found conflict problematic in the past. But I'm wondering if you still feel that way. Sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2006 Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > > Adithya, > > I find your posts excellent. > > Hope you don't mind me asking, just out of sheer curiosity: > > Do you still fight? This isn't a subversive question. I would > suspect, however, that if you remember yourself/notself, as is > suggested by your posts, you'd be less likely to find yourself engaged > in conflict. > > I recognize that you haven't found conflict problematic in the past. > But I'm wondering if you still feel that way. > > Sky > Arvind is also a powerful, beautiful poet!!! p.s. conflicts arise, but the choice IS to be in awareness rather in conflict, in my experience. After all, we are only humans;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2006 Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Adithya, > > > > I find your posts excellent. > > > > Hope you don't mind me asking, just out of sheer curiosity: > > > > Do you still fight? This isn't a subversive question. I would > > suspect, however, that if you remember yourself/notself, as is > > suggested by your posts, you'd be less likely to find yourself engaged > > in conflict. > > > > I recognize that you haven't found conflict problematic in the past. > > But I'm wondering if you still feel that way. > > > > Sky > > > > Arvind is also a powerful, beautiful poet!!! > > p.s. conflicts arise, but the choice IS to be in awareness rather in > conflict, in my experience. After all, we are only humans;-) > Yes, Anna, good point. What I believe we too often overlook, however, is that we live in a world that rewards self-stupefaction. As children, we learn that if we appear to be suffering enough, then we might get the love and attention we have also been taught to crave. Thus, as adults, we have a tendency to continue this practice, even when the suffering can be avoided, and the love and attention need no longer be sought. Thus we may blindly continue to try to live up to the archetype of the suffering God, the alcoholic writer/poet, the tortured hero, etc. So, the question for me, Anna, is, to what extent is our suffering and conflict with self and others gratuitous? I would say, that unless this infantile tendency to exhibitionistic passion has been thoroughly examined, it is most likely that we remain quite sadomasochistic, indeed. The vigilant eye of awareness, or, as I would call it, intelligence, can keep us from surrendering, unnecessarily, to this bias toward overwhelming ourselves and others. This presence of mind, this cautious intelligence, helps us to avoid the extremity I call stupefaction. We live to master what has once overwhelmed us. We live to bring light into darkness. This is the process of insight and achievement. But when is the overwhelming darkness not merely the unconscious habit of closing our eyes, holding our breath and throwing a kind of sublimated adult tantrum? We're speaking here, I think, of a very fine line, a delicate balance, between the artistic and fully aware plunge into the void, on the one hand, and the self-immolating and habitual act of defiance, on the other. How does one distinguish between the two? Indeed, is there a distinction? I would say that everything spoken of here is all about making that very distinction. Living it: intelligence over infantilism, from moment to moment, breath by breath, thought from thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > > Adithya, > > I find your posts excellent. Thank you dear! My (our) job is done > > Hope you don't mind me asking, > just out of sheer curiosity: Sure. I don't mind. > > Do you still fight? I don't know. We (me and my wife) haven't had big arguments recently but, as far as I know it hardly means anything. A 'dry' season may not mean end of [future] 'hurricanes'. > This isn't a subversive question. I would > suspect, however, that if you remember yourself/notself, as is > suggested by your posts, you'd be less likely to find yourself > engaged in conflict. I think that could be true. However, my question would be: - does it apply to 'inner conflicts' only or, does it also apply to 'outer conflicts'??? For example, - what about a 'soldier' [or a 'general'] engaged in Iraq war? - what about a Republican propoganda specialist [also known as 'spokesman' sometimes ] assigned with the task to 'malign' the public image and credential of John Kerry??? [or vice versa... i.e. a Democrat P. S. assigned to malign a Republican?] - What about a lawyer assigned with the task of protecting someone who has commited a murder, a rape or a fraud??? - What about a Police Officer assigned to 'discipline' a 'violent' crowd? - What about a jailor assigned to discpline rowdy inmates? - What about 'kind' person trying to protect his son from 'invading' viruses and bacterias - where 'protecting' son might mean 'killing' millions of bacterias??? IOW... can 'conflicts' outside " really " be avoided??? This is 'one' reason, I find Gita such a Great Text! In this text, the Very 'God' fights a War and asks 'other' to 'willingly', 'consciouly' " choose " to Fight!!! In this text, the " dharma " is taught on the the Very 'battleground'! In this text, 'to fight' is The Dharma! With warm regards, ac. > > I recognize that you haven't found conflict problematic in the past. > But I'm wondering if you still feel that way. > > Sky > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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