Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Dear Group, I've read some of his books and I think he thought the right way to medidate was to be just focussed on one's own consciousness or awareness. I just want to clarify if this was his method. If any one has any useful tips on how to deepen one's medidation please elucidate. thanks. alakeshwar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 Nisargadatta , " alakeshwar " <alakeshwar wrote: > > > Dear Group, > > I've read some of his books and I think he thought > the right way to medidate was to be just focussed on one's > own consciousness or awareness. I just want to clarify if this > was his method. If any one has any useful tips on how to deepen > one's medidation please elucidate. > thanks. > alakeshwar > Ask yourself throughout the day: " How can I do these things? " toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 Nisargadatta , " alakeshwar " <alakeshwar wrote: > > > Dear Group, > > I've read some of his books and I think he thought > the right way to medidate was to be just focussed on one's > own consciousness or awareness. I just want to clarify if this > was his method. If any one has any useful tips on how to deepen > one's medidation please elucidate. > thanks. > alakeshwar > This is from the Nisargadatta.net site Whether it is a ritualistic practice or not, one can find in I am That and in the Ultimate Medicine what appears to be instructions on how to meditate. Maharaj: For meditation you should sit with identification with the knowledge " I am " only and have confirmed to yourself that you are not the body. You must dwell only in that knowledge " I am " --not merely the words " I am. " The design of your body does not signify your identification. And also, the name which is given to you or to the body is not your correct identity. The name which is imposed on you, or the name which you have heard about you--you have accepted that name as yourself. Similarly, since you have seen your body, you think you are the body. So you have to give up both these identities. And the indwelling knowledge that you are, without words, that itself you are. In that identity, you must stabilize yourself. And then, whatever doubts you have, will be cleared by that very knowledge, and everything will be opened up in you. ** Question: All teachers advise to meditate. What is the purpose of meditation? Maharaj: We know the outer world of sensations and actions. But of our inner world of thoughts and feelings we know very little. The primary purpose of meditation is to become conscious of, and familiar with, our inner life. The ultimate purpose is to reach the source of life and consciousness. Incidentally, practice of meditation affects deeply our character. We are slaves to what we do not know. Whatever vice or weakness in ourselves we discover and understand its causes and its workings, we overcome it by the very knowing; the unconscious dissolves when brought into the conscious. The dissolution of the unconscious release energy; the mind feels adequate and become quiet. ** My teacher told me to hold on to the sense 'I am' tenaciously and not to swerve from it even for a moment. I did my best to follow his advice and in a comparatively short time I realized within myself the truth of his teaching. All I did was to remember his teaching, his face, his words constantly. This brought an end to the mind; in the stillness of the mind I saw myself as I am -- unbound. I simply followed (my teacher's) instruction which was to focus the mind on pure being 'I am', and stay in it. I used to sit for hours together, with nothing but the 'I am' in my mind and soon peace and joy and a deep all-embracing love became my normal state. In it all disappeared -- myself, my Guru, the life I lived, the world around me. Only peace remained and unfathomable silence. My Guru ordered me to attend to the sense 'I am' and to give attention to nothing else. I just obeyed. I did not follow any particular course of breathing, or meditation, or study of scriptures. Whatever happened, I would turn away my attention from it and remain with the sense 'I am', it may look too simple, even crude. My only reason for doing it was that my Guru told me so. Yet it worked! Obedience is a powerful solvent of all desires and fears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " alakeshwar " <alakeshwar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > I've read some of his books and I think he thought > > the right way to medidate was to be just focussed on one's > > own consciousness or awareness. I just want to clarify if this > > was his method. If any one has any useful tips on how to deepen > > one's medidation please elucidate. > > thanks. > > alakeshwar > > > > > > > Ask yourself throughout the day: > > " How can I do these things? " > > toombaru P: Nonsense! Questionsonly begets more questions. It's not about finding right answers either. It's simply feeeling that which feels until it reveals that which is beyond consciousness. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " alakeshwar " <alakeshwar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > I've read some of his books and I think he thought > > > the right way to medidate was to be just focussed on one's > > > own consciousness or awareness. I just want to clarify if this > > > was his method. If any one has any useful tips on how to deepen > > > one's medidation please elucidate. > > > thanks. > > > alakeshwar > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ask yourself throughout the day: > > > > " How can I do these things? " > > > > toombaru > > P: Nonsense! Questionsonly begets more questions. > It's not about finding right answers either. It's > simply feeeling that which feels until it reveals > that which is beyond consciousness. > > > There is nothing beyond consciousness. THAT IS the Understanding. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " alakeshwar " <alakeshwar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > > > I've read some of his books and I think he thought > > > > the right way to medidate was to be just focussed on one's > > > > > own consciousness or awareness. I just want to clarify if this > > > > was his method. If any one has any useful tips on how to deepen > > > > one's medidation please elucidate. > > > > thanks. > > > > alakeshwar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ask yourself throughout the day: > > > > > > " How can I do these things? " > > > > > > toombaru > > > > P: Nonsense! Questionsonly begets more questions. > > It's not about finding right answers either. It's > > simply feeeling that which feels until it reveals > > that which is beyond consciousness. > > > > > > > > There is nothing beyond consciousness. > > THAT IS the Understanding. > > toombaru > BANG ON RED BARON! .b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " alakeshwar " <alakeshwar@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > > > > > I've read some of his books and I think he thought > > > > > the right way to medidate was to be just focussed on > one's > > > > > > > own consciousness or awareness. I just want to clarify if > this > > > > > was his method. If any one has any useful tips on how to > deepen > > > > > one's medidation please elucidate. > > > > > thanks. > > > > > alakeshwar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ask yourself throughout the day: > > > > > > > > " How can I do these things? " > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > P: Nonsense! Questionsonly begets more questions. > > > It's not about finding right answers either. It's > > > simply feeeling that which feels until it reveals > > > that which is beyond consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing beyond consciousness. > > > > THAT IS the Understanding. > > > > toombaru > > > BANG ON RED BARON! > > .b > but now......is there consciousness beyond nothing? .b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " alakeshwar " > <alakeshwar@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > I've read some of his books and I think he > thought > > > > > > the right way to medidate was to be just focussed on > > one's > > > > > > > > > own consciousness or awareness. I just want to clarify > if > > this > > > > > > was his method. If any one has any useful tips on how > to > > deepen > > > > > > one's medidation please elucidate. > > > > > > thanks. > > > > > > alakeshwar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ask yourself throughout the day: > > > > > > > > > > " How can I do these things? " > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > P: Nonsense! Questionsonly begets more questions. > > > > It's not about finding right answers either. It's > > > > simply feeeling that which feels until it reveals > > > > that which is beyond consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing beyond consciousness. > > > > > > THAT IS the Understanding. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > BANG ON RED BARON! > > > > .b > > > but now......is there consciousness beyond nothing? > > .b > There is no such thing as nothing. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " alakeshwar " > > <alakeshwar@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've read some of his books and I think he > > thought > > > > > > > the right way to medidate was to be just focussed on > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > own consciousness or awareness. I just want to clarify > > if > > > this > > > > > > > was his method. If any one has any useful tips on how > > to > > > deepen > > > > > > > one's medidation please elucidate. > > > > > > > thanks. > > > > > > > alakeshwar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ask yourself throughout the day: > > > > > > > > > > > > " How can I do these things? " > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > P: Nonsense! Questionsonly begets more questions. > > > > > It's not about finding right answers either. It's > > > > > simply feeeling that which feels until it reveals > > > > > that which is beyond consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing beyond consciousness. > > > > > > > > THAT IS the Understanding. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > BANG ON RED BARON! > > > > > > .b > > > > > but now......is there consciousness beyond nothing? > > > > .b > > > > > > There is no such thing as nothing. > > > > toombaru > there is no such thing as 'something'. there are no 'things' whatsoever. there is no such thing as no such thing. consciousness is a fabrication of nothing at all..and no one..in and from and through and going nowhere. a statement like this, is like a kiss, and a kiss is just a kiss as time goes by. and yet there is no such thing as time. there is nothing that can be said. that's nothing too. and two nothings are still only nothing. you can learn how to play the game.....it's EASY. there is nothing that you can 'do' but you can learn how to feel inside ......it's EASY. SPEAK! .b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " alakeshwar " > > > <alakeshwar@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've read some of his books and I think he > > > thought > > > > > > > > the right way to medidate was to be just focussed > on > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > > own consciousness or awareness. I just want to > clarify > > > if > > > > this > > > > > > > > was his method. If any one has any useful tips on > how > > > to > > > > deepen > > > > > > > > one's medidation please elucidate. > > > > > > > > thanks. > > > > > > > > alakeshwar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ask yourself throughout the day: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " How can I do these things? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Nonsense! Questionsonly begets more questions. > > > > > > It's not about finding right answers either. It's > > > > > > simply feeeling that which feels until it reveals > > > > > > that which is beyond consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing beyond consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > THAT IS the Understanding. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > BANG ON RED BARON! > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > but now......is there consciousness beyond nothing? > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > There is no such thing as nothing. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > there is no such thing as 'something'. > there are no 'things' whatsoever. > there is no such thing as no such thing. > consciousness is a fabrication of nothing at all..and no one..in and > from and through and going nowhere. > a statement like this, is like a kiss, > and a kiss is just a kiss as time goes by. > and yet there is no such thing as time. > there is nothing that can be said. > that's nothing too. > and two nothings are still only nothing. > you can learn how to play the game.....it's EASY. > there is nothing that you can 'do' > but you can learn how to feel inside > .....it's EASY. > > SPEAK! > > . b > IT IS SO WRITTEN You take my Soul you dip me in Magellan Blue with utmost care for you have found my hiding place behind an ancient timepiece shamed into abeyance where shadows reach not. Now you ring me out with both your hands, stong and chiseled I feel your purpose You have made me ready-- Now you write, this fine perfect Writing tool I Am my feet a feather tip, I am the swirl of your letters, the crosses of your words, Oh, what writing we write! And now the parchment yellows it crumbles in your hands it blows away in your exhale-- Return me gently to my hiding place. You have used me well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 > > > > > > > > > > P: Nonsense! Questionsonly begets more questions. > > > > > It's not about finding right answers either. It's > > > > > simply feeeling that which feels until it reveals > > > > > that which is beyond consciousness. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > There is nothing beyond consciousness. > > > > > > > > THAT IS the Understanding. > toomb > > There is no such thing as nothing. > > toombaru > P: A man playing with himself, will get hard; a mind playing with itself (conceptually) will get very stiff, also. Toomb, you have gone blind, as the nuns told you, you would. ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Nonsense! Questionsonly begets more questions. > > > > > > It's not about finding right answers either. It's > > > > > > simply feeeling that which feels until it reveals > > > > > > that which is beyond consciousness. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > There is nothing beyond consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > THAT IS the Understanding. > > toomb > > > > There is no such thing as nothing. > > > > toombaru > > > > P: A man playing with himself, will get hard; > a mind playing with itself (conceptually) will > get very stiff, also. Toomb, you have gone blind, > as the nuns told you, you would. ) > damn Pete, who else ya gonna play with;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Nonsense! Questionsonly begets more questions. > > > > > > It's not about finding right answers either. It's > > > > > > simply feeeling that which feels until it reveals > > > > > > that which is beyond consciousness. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > There is nothing beyond consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > THAT IS the Understanding. > > toomb > > > > There is no such thing as nothing. > > > > toombaru > > > > P: A man playing with himself, will get hard; > a mind playing with itself (conceptually) will > get very stiff, also. Toomb, you have gone blind, > as the nuns told you, you would. ) Mind can only play with its self.....there is no other. toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Nonsense! Questionsonly begets more questions. > > > > > > > It's not about finding right answers either. It's > > > > > > > simply feeeling that which feels until it reveals > > > > > > > that which is beyond consciousness. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There is nothing beyond consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > > > THAT IS the Understanding. > > > toomb > > > > > > There is no such thing as nothing. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > P: A man playing with himself, will get hard; > > a mind playing with itself (conceptually) will > > get very stiff, also. Toomb, you have gone blind, > > as the nuns told you, you would. ) > > > > > > Mind can only play with its self.....there is no other. > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Mind doth 'vanish'... 'arrive'... 'understand.. without thought or identification', in any and all terms: (conscious),(self),(SELF).No ACTION occurs in the TIMELESS that is always and ever the case. There exists not 'no other' in GROUND, anymore than there can be 'that which is not other'(implying some 'separate', experiencing, self which is the creator and player within the projected WORLD. WORDS create any and all others and selfs, that can PLAY'. SELF, self, OTHER....SPACE, TIME, DIMENSION, AWARENESS, CONSCIOUSNESS, COGNITION, WORLD, GODS, SEEN AND UNSEEN...BEYONDS, BEFORES, NOWS, HOWS WHYS,....ad infinitum, to powers of magnitude inconceivable. ALL are equally defined, and never 'other then', 'nor self identified'..nor unconscious, nor conscious, in any sense 'strange'. This very non- strangeness, or weirdness, experienced or felt or known of this new, yet always-time situation being 'experienced' by the focused and demarked, self-identified 'self or ego.. seems so bizarre, the most weird of most weird REALITY, that comes on, is, forever will be... unbelievably and unexpected TRUTH. PLAYING IS. No players can be found, but for the vapors within and without .Coming and going, arising and disappearing....without ends, beginnings, causes, effects, 'reason', nor irrational...nor a-rational..nor not not etc. Pax Vobicum on the path that isn't there. The meeting or the parting, the JOY, PAIN, SADNESS, FACINATION, LOVE, HATE, ENNUI.....etc.etc., these are forever and never; and, by no one for no one or nothing. WORDS can also F**K up what's trying..is..ALREADY KNOWN but remembering to FORGET. There is nothing else. There is nothing that can know 'else'. But the GAME..... SEEMS.... .b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 doubt your own (ego's) existence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , Riaz Padamsee <indiariaz wrote: > > doubt your own (ego's) existence > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 friend, hur`s answer aside, these dipshits are clearly delusional. maharaj says simply to focus on the " i am " . he says that if we turn our attention away from our desires and fears, simply turn away from them, and stand naked, exposed to the winds and rains of life, only then will we have a chance at understanding who we really are, or rather who we really are not. this is the only method that i see maharaj offering. different words/sights/sounds, will mean more to some than to others as personalities vary, but no matter what the sentiment, these things that have signifigance, will for the sincere seeker lead right back to the silence and depth of i am. now, just focussing our attention on the i am for a moment isn`t such a heavy task. it is clear to see that the aforementioned dipshits who clutter this discussion have themselves been able to clear their minds and focus on the i am, for a moment or two. having peeked into some semblance of awareness, they race back to their dream and pat themselves on the back, congratulating themselves on some kind of acccomplishment and continue their dream as deep thinkers, spewing bullshit in the name of maharaj. the question is, how strong is your willingness to look? how sincere is your inner urge to dive deeper into yourself and not compromise, not rush back to the dream after a few choice seconds in meditation. maharaj says that faith is the only thing that can give you the strength and persistance needed to stay in that awareness. this faith is a beacon that shines from your own self. only that mysterious faith and pure love of the self will carry you deep enough into the i am meditation to begin seeing as maharaj promises. have courage, and don`t give up. be patient with yourself and keep trying. the changes will come on their own without any effort, just stay silent and look. - In Nisargadatta , " alakeshwar " <alakeshwar wrote: > > > Dear Group, > > I've read some of his books and I think he thought > the right way to medidate was to be just focussed on one's > own consciousness or awareness. I just want to clarify if this > was his method. If any one has any useful tips on how to deepen > one's medidation please elucidate. > thanks. > alakeshwar > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 The irony is the One thing we need for sure is the gift that is opened with our innocent child-eyes*: this infinite intimate awareness with which we are already born and know quite intimately.... * the second sight/the One Seeing... Love To All, Anna Nisargadatta , " ramanama06 " <ramanama06 wrote: > > friend, > hur`s answer aside, these dipshits are clearly delusional. maharaj says simply to > focus on the " i am " . he says that if we turn our attention away from our desires and fears, > simply turn away from them, and stand naked, exposed to the winds and rains of life, only > then will we have a chance at understanding who we really are, or rather who we really are > not. this is the only method that i see maharaj offering. different words/sights/sounds, > will mean more to some than to others as personalities vary, but no matter what the > sentiment, these things that have signifigance, will for the sincere seeker lead right back > to the silence and depth of i am. now, just focussing our attention on the i am for a > moment isn`t such a heavy task. it is clear to see that the aforementioned dipshits who > clutter this discussion have themselves been able to clear their minds and focus on the i > am, for a moment or two. having peeked into some semblance of awareness, they race > back to their dream and pat themselves on the back, congratulating themselves on some > kind of acccomplishment and continue their dream as deep thinkers, spewing bullshit in > the name of maharaj. the question is, how strong is your willingness to look? how sincere > is your inner urge to dive deeper into yourself and not compromise, not rush back to the > dream after a few choice seconds in meditation. maharaj says that faith is the only thing > that can give you the strength and persistance needed to stay in that awareness. this faith > is a beacon that shines from your own self. only that mysterious faith and pure love of the > self will carry you deep enough into the i am meditation to begin seeing as maharaj > promises. have courage, and don`t give up. be patient with yourself and keep trying. the > changes will come on their own without any effort, just stay silent and look. > > - In Nisargadatta , " alakeshwar " <alakeshwar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > I've read some of his books and I think he thought > > the right way to medidate was to be just focussed on one's > > own consciousness or awareness. I just want to clarify if this > > was his method. If any one has any useful tips on how to deepen > > one's medidation please elucidate. > > thanks. > > alakeshwar > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 there never was a method suggested at all.... words if seen from a point of view can appear to suggest a method... but from the pure seeing....there is nothing to do... .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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