Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 You are nothing when you wed the One; but you are everything when you become nothing. Faquruddin Iraqui. * Tommy.X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 It's a nice quote. Yet, one can't become nothing - if one could, one would be something other than nothing, and then nothing wouldn't be everything. If nothing is already always everything, then how is it that one doesn't know this which one already always is - that which is never not the case? Well, there's nothing to know. If there were something to know, there would be something to be added into nothing in the form of new knowledge, in which case, it wouldn't be nothing/everything. If there's nothing for one to know, why does one have the feeling of being incomplete, of life being unsatisfactory in various ways? Because one believes one has self-existence (in a particular and exclusive way) and therefore needs to survive, establish, maintain, get, hold, and become. But these beliefs aren't being held by anyone, are they? There is only nothing/everything the whole time. So, this is the difficulty that people have. They are trying to hold and maintain beliefs, primarily the belief in an existence of their own to be dealt with, and there isn't any way to or place to hold the belief, let alone to have the existence. A lot of storm and fury signifying nothing, said the bard. Much ado about nothing. Yet, if someone is in a car accident, one has to deal with the repercussions, no? It doesn't work to say, " I am nothing, so this didn't happen, so there's nothing to deal with. " (For example, someone needing to go to the hospital, or police to notify, or insurance to claim.) So, for one's life to work it's not enough to say, " nothing is everything and this is who I am. " The day to day details of life can't be avoided. Including the ways one wants to maintain, promote, and extend assumed self-existence. Aye, there's the rub - the bard said that, too. " To sleep, perchance to dream, aye - there's the rub. " The so-called dream one is, is the everything that is perceived, and the details of this which one is are not to be avoided by a philosophy, through devotion to a sage or religion (nor a belief in nonduality). Or, one can try to avoid, and see how well that works. -- Dan (nothing new below) Nisargadatta , " one1nottwo2 " <one1nottwo2 wrote: > > > You are nothing > when you wed the One; > but you are everything > when you become nothing. > > Faquruddin Iraqui. > > * > > Tommy.X. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Dan, Everywhere I look, you are there. Tommy. Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > It's a nice quote. > > Yet, one can't become nothing - if one could, one would be something > other than nothing, and then nothing wouldn't be everything. > > If nothing is already always everything, then how is it that one > doesn't know this which one already always is - that which is never > not the case? > > Well, there's nothing to know. If there were something to know, there > would be something to be added into nothing in the form of new > knowledge, in which case, it wouldn't be nothing/everything. > > If there's nothing for one to know, why does one have the feeling of > being incomplete, of life being unsatisfactory in various ways? > > Because one believes one has self-existence (in a particular and > exclusive way) and therefore needs to survive, establish, maintain, > get, hold, and become. > > But these beliefs aren't being held by anyone, are they? > > There is only nothing/everything the whole time. > > So, this is the difficulty that people have. > > They are trying to hold and maintain beliefs, primarily the belief in > an existence of their own to be dealt with, and there isn't any way to > or place to hold the belief, let alone to have the existence. > > A lot of storm and fury signifying nothing, said the bard. > > Much ado about nothing. > > Yet, if someone is in a car accident, one has to deal with the > repercussions, no? It doesn't work to say, " I am nothing, so this > didn't happen, so there's nothing to deal with. " (For example, > someone needing to go to the hospital, or police to notify, or > insurance to claim.) > > So, for one's life to work it's not enough to say, " nothing is > everything and this is who I am. " > > The day to day details of life can't be avoided. Including the ways > one wants to maintain, promote, and extend assumed self-existence. > > Aye, there's the rub - the bard said that, too. " To sleep, perchance > to dream, aye - there's the rub. " > > The so-called dream one is, is the everything that is perceived, and > the details of this which one is are not to be avoided by a > philosophy, through devotion to a sage or religion (nor a belief in > nonduality). Or, one can try to avoid, and see how well that works. > > -- Dan > > (nothing new below) > > Nisargadatta , " one1nottwo2 " <one1nottwo2@> > wrote: > > > > > > You are nothing > > when you wed the One; > > but you are everything > > when you become nothing. > > > > Faquruddin Iraqui. > > > > * > > > > Tommy.X. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 The thought I am nothing is useful if it serves to reduce you to silence, which comes with the exhaustion of your human efforts. Once more unto the breach, dear friends. Andrew Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > It's a nice quote. > > Yet, one can't become nothing - if one could, one would be something > other than nothing, and then nothing wouldn't be everything. > > If nothing is already always everything, then how is it that one > doesn't know this which one already always is - that which is never > not the case? > > Well, there's nothing to know. If there were something to know, there > would be something to be added into nothing in the form of new > knowledge, in which case, it wouldn't be nothing/everything. > > If there's nothing for one to know, why does one have the feeling of > being incomplete, of life being unsatisfactory in various ways? > > Because one believes one has self-existence (in a particular and > exclusive way) and therefore needs to survive, establish, maintain, > get, hold, and become. > > But these beliefs aren't being held by anyone, are they? > > There is only nothing/everything the whole time. > > So, this is the difficulty that people have. > > They are trying to hold and maintain beliefs, primarily the belief in > an existence of their own to be dealt with, and there isn't any way to > or place to hold the belief, let alone to have the existence. > > A lot of storm and fury signifying nothing, said the bard. > > Much ado about nothing. > > Yet, if someone is in a car accident, one has to deal with the > repercussions, no? It doesn't work to say, " I am nothing, so this > didn't happen, so there's nothing to deal with. " (For example, > someone needing to go to the hospital, or police to notify, or > insurance to claim.) > > So, for one's life to work it's not enough to say, " nothing is > everything and this is who I am. " > > The day to day details of life can't be avoided. Including the ways > one wants to maintain, promote, and extend assumed self-existence. > > Aye, there's the rub - the bard said that, too. " To sleep, perchance > to dream, aye - there's the rub. " > > The so-called dream one is, is the everything that is perceived, and > the details of this which one is are not to be avoided by a > philosophy, through devotion to a sage or religion (nor a belief in > nonduality). Or, one can try to avoid, and see how well that works. > > -- Dan > > (nothing new below) > > Nisargadatta , " one1nottwo2 " <one1nottwo2@> > wrote: > > > > > > You are nothing > > when you wed the One; > > but you are everything > > when you become nothing. > > > > Faquruddin Iraqui. > > > > * > > > > Tommy.X. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Nisargadatta , " one1nottwo2 " <one1nottwo2 wrote: > > Dan, > > Everywhere I look, you are there. > > Tommy. Hey Tommy -- While you're looking, just make sure whether the light turns green, before you make your left turn. That'll be good enough. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Andrew Macnab " <aamacnab wrote: > > > > The thought I am nothing is useful > if it serves to reduce you to silence, > which comes with the exhaustion of your > human efforts. > Once more unto the breach, dear friends. > > Andrew Silence that is not of thought, is never not present, merely not comprehended by thought. Thoughts freely come and go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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