Guest guest Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > > Oh, my God! That charlatan Hawkins! > > > Ever really tried his imbecilic method for gaging " truth " ? No. > > Any jerk can pretend to genius and enlightenment, putting a Dr. in > front of their name without knowing the first thing about empirical > science. He is also a regular MD. > > Really, have you ever tried the " muscle test " ? No, I haven't and I think that the idea of " muscle testing to examine absoulte truth is flawed. But, I have found great truth in many things that he has said: Be the change that you want to see in the world. ~MDK Gandhi. We change the world not by what we say or do but as a consequence of what we have become. ~ David R. Hawkins The way you are to the world is a prayer. Be that which a prayer is, because the universe automatically responds to it. ~ David R. Hawkins on relationships... ======================= The big ego energy in relationships is being right. People will give up anything in order to be right. .... There are people out there who are guiltmongers, controlling people with guilt and shame. The ego gets a great deal of juice out of controlling. There's a drivenness, a frantic must-have energy. The ego is willing to sell out its soul, or yours if it can get you to go along, for the sake of being right. .... Sensory phenomena of pleasure: people get hooked on it. Below 200, relationships are horizontal, in conflict. Involved but not aligned. Above 200 you're capable of alignment. .... In a successful business or institution or family or relationship, you're all in alignment with intention. .... People interact and are involved with each other, but they're not aligned with each other. There are two kinds of alignment, which I call horizontal and vertical. In relationships, you're horizontal; they're involved with each other's solar plexus, each looking to be right. In vertical alignment, you're both aligned with the goal of the relationship, not with each other's solar plexus. If the goal is to make each other happy, they're both aligned with that goal. In horizontal, they're using emotional force, moral blackmail. They're interacting, not aligned. If you're both trying to make a better garden, you're both working on the garden. If you're trying to have a better garden than hers, then you're over there pulling up her plants. People would rather die than give up being right. The ego is quite addictive. .... You think you're stuck with whatever – my mother-in-law, money, etc. – but that's only the linear content. It's the energy behind it that you're addicted to. You really have only one problem; people think they've got this problem and that problem that they've got to solve, but really it's just one: you're hooked on the juice of being right, of loss and sadness. The alcoholic isn't addicted to beer or whiskey; he's addicted to inebriation. .... Forget what the matter is, just notice the energy of the payoff for the ego. Then all you have to do is to become unaddicted to that energy. The ego cannot transcend itself. Only the spiritual will can do that. Spiritual will calibrates at 850. Addiction's been around for millions of years. What's your Reason at 400 going to do against that? Reason is linear. The spiritual will is non-linear. When we turn to Divinity, that's humility, that's surrender. ========================= And, the final on: All opinions are vanity. ~Dr. Hawkins > > What a joke! > > Sorry, ac, but this is beyond the pale! > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > Mahatma Gandhi, a ninety-pound > > " colored, " who single-handedly > > overcame the (126) British Empire, then the > > greatest force in the world, ruling two thirds > > of the face of the globe. > > > > Gandhi not only brought the British > > Empire to its knees; he effectively rang > > down the curtain on the centuries-old > > drama of colonialism, and he did it by > > simply standing for a principle: the > > intrinsic dignity of man and his right to > > freedom, sovereignty and self determination. > > > > > > Fundamental to this > > principle, in Gandhi's view, was the fact > > that such rights derive to man by virtue > > of the divinity of his creation. Gandhi > > believed that human rights are not > > granted by any earthly power, but are > > inherent in the nature of man himself > > because they are inherent in his creation. > > > > > > Violence is force; because Gandhi was > > aligned with power, rather than force, he > > forbade all use of violence in his cause.4 > > And because he expressed universal > > principles (which calibrate at 700) he was > > able to unite the will of the people. When > > the will of the people is so united by and > > aligned with universal principle, it is > > virtually unconquerable. Colonialism > > (calibrated at 175) is founded in the self > > interest of the ruling country. > > > > Gandhi demonstrated, for the world to witness, > > the power of selflessness versus the force > > of self-interest. The same principle has > > now been demonstrated quite > > dramatically in South Africa by Nelson > > Mandela. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Oh, my God! That charlatan Hawkins! > > > > > > Ever really tried his imbecilic method for gaging " truth " ? > > No. > > > > > Any jerk can pretend to genius and enlightenment, putting a Dr. in > > front of their name without knowing the first thing about empirical > > science. > > He is also a regular MD. > > > > > Really, have you ever tried the " muscle test " ? > > No, I haven't and I think that the idea > of " muscle testing to examine absoulte truth > is flawed. > > But, I have found great truth > in many things that he has said: > > > > Be the change that you want to see in > the world. > > ~MDK Gandhi. Why? Why change the world? > > > We change the world not by what we say > or do but as a consequence of what we > have become. > > ~ David R. Hawkins Changing the world is like changing the laws of physics. > > > The way you are to the world is a > prayer. Be that which a prayer is, > because the universe automatically > responds to it. > > ~ David R. Hawkins Does he have any empirical proof of that. Man's living in a dream that others merely want to share. Big deal. There's a sucker born every second. > > > > on relationships... > > ======================= > > The big ego energy in relationships is being right. People will give > up anything in order to be right. > > ... > Not when control is no longer an issue. > > > There are people out there who are guiltmongers, controlling people > with guilt and shame. The ego gets a great deal of juice out of > controlling. There's a drivenness, a frantic must-have energy. The > ego is willing to sell out its soul, or yours if it can get you to > go along, for the sake of being right. > > ... How's Hawkins different. And so what? All that matters is that one is in touch with being in touch with one's own energy. > > Sensory phenomena of pleasure: people get hooked on it. Below 200, > relationships are horizontal, in conflict. Involved but not aligned. > Above 200 you're capable of alignment. > > ... > Anyone who believes in muscle testing is so far out of alignment, from my point of view, that they're hopeless. > > > In a successful business or institution or family or relationship, > you're all in alignment with intention. > > ... Success lasts for less time than the pronunciation of that word. There has to be something deeper, higher, beyond the world. > > People interact and are involved with each other, but they're not > aligned with each other. There are two kinds of alignment, which I > call horizontal and vertical. In relationships, you're horizontal; > they're involved with each other's solar plexus, each looking to be > right. In vertical alignment, you're both aligned with the goal of > the relationship, not with each other's solar plexus. If the goal is > to make each other happy, they're both aligned with that goal. You can't make another happy. You can only be happy together. And that's ephemeral. > In horizontal, they're using emotional force, moral blackmail. They're > interacting, not aligned. If you're both trying to make a better > garden, you're both working on the garden. If you're trying to have > a better garden than hers, then you're over there pulling up her > plants. People would rather die than give up being right. The ego is > quite addictive. > > > ... Yeah, as long as one is focused on the other, one is not focused on the self. Only the self as White Light or nonattachment, is beyond compulsion. > > > > You think you're stuck with whatever – my mother-in-law, money, > etc. – but that's only the linear content. It's the energy behind it > that you're addicted to. You really have only one problem; people > think they've got this problem and that problem that they've got to > solve, but really it's just one: you're hooked on the juice of being > right, of loss and sadness. The alcoholic isn't addicted to beer or > whiskey; he's addicted to inebriation. He's addicted to violence and aggression. But then, we all are. Addiction is merely a lack of imagination and connectedness to one's body and culture. > > ... > > > > Forget what the matter is, just notice the energy of the payoff for > the ego. Then all you have to do is to become unaddicted to that > energy. The ego cannot transcend itself. Only the spiritual will can > do that. Spiritual will calibrates at 850. Addiction's been around > for millions of years. What's your Reason at 400 going to do against > that? Reason is linear. The spiritual will is non-linear. > When we turn to Divinity, that's humility, that's surrender. > > > These calibrations are sheer quackery! One evolves when one finds a greater high. > > > ========================= > > > And, the final on: > > > > All opinions are vanity. > > ~Dr. Hawkins > > As if that wasn't itself an opinion. Hawkins is a complete narcissist! > > > > > What a joke! > > > > Sorry, ac, but this is beyond the pale! > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Mahatma Gandhi, a ninety-pound > > > " colored, " who single-handedly > > > overcame the (126) British Empire, then the > > > greatest force in the world, ruling two thirds > > > of the face of the globe. > > > > > > Gandhi not only brought the British > > > Empire to its knees; he effectively rang > > > down the curtain on the centuries-old > > > drama of colonialism, and he did it by > > > simply standing for a principle: the > > > intrinsic dignity of man and his right to > > > freedom, sovereignty and self determination. > > > > > > > > > Fundamental to this > > > principle, in Gandhi's view, was the fact > > > that such rights derive to man by virtue > > > of the divinity of his creation. Gandhi > > > believed that human rights are not > > > granted by any earthly power, but are > > > inherent in the nature of man himself > > > because they are inherent in his creation. > > > > > > > > > Violence is force; because Gandhi was > > > aligned with power, rather than force, he > > > forbade all use of violence in his cause.4 > > > And because he expressed universal > > > principles (which calibrate at 700) he was > > > able to unite the will of the people. When > > > the will of the people is so united by and > > > aligned with universal principle, it is > > > virtually unconquerable. Colonialism > > > (calibrated at 175) is founded in the self > > > interest of the ruling country. > > > > > > Gandhi demonstrated, for the world to witness, > > > the power of selflessness versus the force > > > of self-interest. The same principle has > > > now been demonstrated quite > > > dramatically in South Africa by Nelson > > > Mandela. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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