Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 nobody, ever, got " liberation " .... because " liberation " * is All there Is Marc * or " enlightenment " ....whatever... some " experiences " of " enlightenment " ...i think....cause endless problems in some confused minds.... but still there is time....infinity/eternity....to get over this illusions too but why not realise truth....here and now...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66 wrote: > > > > nobody, ever, got " liberation " .... > > because " liberation " * is All there Is > > Marc > > > > * or " enlightenment " ....whatever... > > some " experiences " of " enlightenment " ...i think....cause endless > problems in some confused minds.... > > but still there is time....infinity/eternity....to get over this > illusions too > > but why not realise truth....here and now...? > what's to realise? who's to realise? 'now' as opposed to? the 'unrealised? never mind. no mind...no confusion...no problem. .b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > nobody, ever, got " liberation " .... > > > > because " liberation " * is All there Is > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > * or " enlightenment " ....whatever... > > > > some " experiences " of " enlightenment " ...i think....cause endless > > problems in some confused minds.... > > > > but still there is time....infinity/eternity....to get over this > > illusions too > > > > but why not realise truth....here and now...? > > > > > > > what's to realise? to realise the dream of....whatever > who's to realise? the dreaming entity realise the end of the dream > 'now' as opposed to? opposed to 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', last life, next life, ...or whatever fictions of mind > the 'unrealised? yes....the fiction of 'unrealised' too > > never mind. no, thanks > > no mind...no confusion...no problem. yes > > .b Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody, ever, got " liberation " .... > > > > > > because " liberation " * is All there Is > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > * or " enlightenment " ....whatever... > > > > > > some " experiences " of " enlightenment " ...i think....cause endless > > > problems in some confused minds.... > > > > > > but still there is time....infinity/eternity....to get over this > > > illusions too > > > > > > but why not realise truth....here and now...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's to realise? > to realise the dream of....whatever > what is 'whatever'? > > who's to realise? > the dreaming entity realise the end of the dream > what 'dreaming entity'? surely not the bushmeat 'body' of dancing quantum cypers, mathematical elements that when added to another number yields the same number. > > 'now' as opposed to? > opposed to 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', last life, next life, ...or > whatever fictions of mind > even the 'mind' that 'fictions', is fiction. the examples given for that which opposes 'now'..( 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', last life, next life, ...or...) are synonyms for, and not different than or opposite of 'now'. all lay within, by, through, and as 'now'. > > the 'unrealised? > > yes....the fiction of 'unrealised' too > > the unrealised is neither 'fact' nor 'fiction'. and there is no one to realise this. > > never mind. > > no, thanks > > that's 'mind' speaking. forget that, and forget that you've forgotten. un-knowing contains and creates the known, which ever is outside the within yet within the outside of the 'understanding' as identity. it's a bugger to try and put in words...and besides, there 'is' no one to forget forgetting and ... 'be'. > > no mind...no confusion...no problem. > > yes > > > > .b > > Marc > > > > all is yes .b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody, ever, got " liberation " .... > > > > > > > > because " liberation " * is All there Is > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * or " enlightenment " ....whatever... > > > > > > > > some " experiences " of " enlightenment " ...i think....cause endless > > > > problems in some confused minds.... > > > > > > > > but still there is time....infinity/eternity....to get over this > > > > illusions too > > > > > > > > but why not realise truth....here and now...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's to realise? > > to realise the dream of....whatever > > > > > what is 'whatever'? > > > > > > who's to realise? > > the dreaming entity realise the end of the dream > > > > > what 'dreaming entity'? surely not the bushmeat 'body' of dancing > quantum cypers, mathematical elements that when added to another > number yields the same number. > > > > > > > 'now' as opposed to? > > opposed to 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', last life, next life, ...or > > whatever fictions of mind > > > > even the 'mind' that 'fictions', is fiction. the examples given for > that which opposes 'now'..( 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', last life, next > life, ...or...) are synonyms for, and not different than or opposite > of 'now'. all lay within, by, through, and as 'now'. > > > > > > > the 'unrealised? > > > > yes....the fiction of 'unrealised' too > > > > > the unrealised is neither 'fact' nor 'fiction'. and there is no one to > realise this. > > > > > never mind. > > > > no, thanks > > > > > that's 'mind' speaking. forget that, and forget that you've forgotten. > un-knowing contains and creates the known, which ever is outside the > within yet within the outside of the 'understanding' as identity. it's > a bugger to try and put in words...and besides, there 'is' no one to > forget forgetting and ... 'be'. > > > > no mind...no confusion...no problem. > > > > yes > > > > > > .b > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > all is yes to whom are you talking to....? Marc > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <tuvalu66@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody, ever, got " liberation " .... > > > > > > > > > > because " liberation " * is All there Is > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * or " enlightenment " ....whatever... > > > > > > > > > > some " experiences " of " enlightenment " ...i think....cause > endless > > > > > problems in some confused minds.... > > > > > > > > > > but still there is time....infinity/eternity....to get over > this > > > > > illusions too > > > > > > > > > > but why not realise truth....here and now...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's to realise? > > > to realise the dream of....whatever > > > > > > > > > what is 'whatever'? > > > > > > > > > > who's to realise? > > > the dreaming entity realise the end of the dream > > > > > > > > > what 'dreaming entity'? surely not the bushmeat 'body' of dancing > > quantum cypers, mathematical elements that when added to another > > number yields the same number. > > > > > > > > > > > > 'now' as opposed to? > > > opposed to 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', last life, next life, ...or > > > whatever fictions of mind > > > > > > > even the 'mind' that 'fictions', is fiction. the examples given for > > that which opposes 'now'..( 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', last life, next > > life, ...or...) are synonyms for, and not different than or opposite > > of 'now'. all lay within, by, through, and as 'now'. > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'unrealised? > > > > > > yes....the fiction of 'unrealised' too > > > > > > > > the unrealised is neither 'fact' nor 'fiction'. and there is no one > to > > realise this. > > > > > > > > never mind. > > > > > > no, thanks > > > > > > > > that's 'mind' speaking. forget that, and forget that you've > forgotten. > > un-knowing contains and creates the known, which ever is outside the > > within yet within the outside of the 'understanding' as identity. > it's > > a bugger to try and put in words...and besides, there 'is' no one to > > forget forgetting and ... 'be'. > > > > > > no mind...no confusion...no problem. > > > > > > yes > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > all is yes > > > > to whom are you talking to....? > > > > Marc > > > > > > > who's asking? .b(who's not) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody, ever, got " liberation " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > because " liberation " * is All there Is > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * or " enlightenment " ....whatever... > > > > > > > > > > > > some " experiences " of " enlightenment " ...i think....cause > > endless > > > > > > problems in some confused minds.... > > > > > > > > > > > > but still there is time....infinity/eternity....to get over > > this > > > > > > illusions too > > > > > > > > > > > > but why not realise truth....here and now...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's to realise? > > > > to realise the dream of....whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is 'whatever'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's to realise? > > > > the dreaming entity realise the end of the dream > > > > > > > > > > > > > what 'dreaming entity'? surely not the bushmeat 'body' of dancing > > > quantum cypers, mathematical elements that when added to another > > > number yields the same number. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'now' as opposed to? > > > > opposed to 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', last life, next life, ...or > > > > whatever fictions of mind > > > > > > > > > > even the 'mind' that 'fictions', is fiction. the examples given for > > > that which opposes 'now'..( 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', last life, next > > > life, ...or...) are synonyms for, and not different than or opposite > > > of 'now'. all lay within, by, through, and as 'now'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'unrealised? > > > > > > > > yes....the fiction of 'unrealised' too > > > > > > > > > > > the unrealised is neither 'fact' nor 'fiction'. and there is no one > > to > > > realise this. > > > > > > > > > > > never mind. > > > > > > > > no, thanks > > > > > > > > > > > that's 'mind' speaking. forget that, and forget that you've > > forgotten. > > > un-knowing contains and creates the known, which ever is outside the > > > within yet within the outside of the 'understanding' as identity. > > it's > > > a bugger to try and put in words...and besides, there 'is' no one to > > > forget forgetting and ... 'be'. > > > > > > > > no mind...no confusion...no problem. > > > > > > > > yes > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all is yes > > > > > > > > to whom are you talking to....? > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > who's asking? > > .b(who's not) > ....strange things happen when the dialogue becomes a monologue..... or visa versa... ......like love and peace in the here and now;-) Love, Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <tuvalu66@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody, ever, got " liberation " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because " liberation " * is All there Is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * or " enlightenment " ....whatever... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some " experiences " of " enlightenment " ...i think....cause > > > endless > > > > > > > problems in some confused minds.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but still there is time....infinity/eternity....to get > over > > > this > > > > > > > illusions too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but why not realise truth....here and now...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's to realise? > > > > > to realise the dream of....whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is 'whatever'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's to realise? > > > > > the dreaming entity realise the end of the dream > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what 'dreaming entity'? surely not the bushmeat 'body' of > dancing > > > > quantum cypers, mathematical elements that when added to > another > > > > number yields the same number. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'now' as opposed to? > > > > > opposed to 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', last life, next > life, ...or > > > > > whatever fictions of mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > even the 'mind' that 'fictions', is fiction. the examples > given for > > > > that which opposes 'now'..( 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', last > life, next > > > > life, ...or...) are synonyms for, and not different than or > opposite > > > > of 'now'. all lay within, by, through, and as 'now'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'unrealised? > > > > > > > > > > yes....the fiction of 'unrealised' too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the unrealised is neither 'fact' nor 'fiction'. and there is > no one > > > to > > > > realise this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never mind. > > > > > > > > > > no, thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's 'mind' speaking. forget that, and forget that you've > > > forgotten. > > > > un-knowing contains and creates the known, which ever is > outside the > > > > within yet within the outside of the 'understanding' as > identity. > > > it's > > > > a bugger to try and put in words...and besides, there 'is' no > one to > > > > forget forgetting and ... 'be'. > > > > > > > > > > no mind...no confusion...no problem. > > > > > > > > > > yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all is yes > > > > > > > > > > > > to whom are you talking to....? > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's asking? > > > > .b(who's not) > > > > > > ...strange things happen when the dialogue becomes a monologue..... > or > visa versa... > > .....like love and peace in the here and now;-) > > Love, > Anna > ;-) it's all monophonic monologue, but 'it's' playing in 'Suround Sound' with a cast of thousands!. and even if you hear ten thousand voices..the soma bio-unit eardrum 'skin' hears only one sound that is filtered and deciphered into many..by whom and why? .b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody, ever, got " liberation " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > because " liberation " * is All there Is > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * or " enlightenment " ....whatever... > > > > > > > > > > > > some " experiences " of " enlightenment " ...i think....cause > > endless > > > > > > problems in some confused minds.... > > > > > > > > > > > > but still there is time....infinity/eternity....to get over > > this > > > > > > illusions too > > > > > > > > > > > > but why not realise truth....here and now...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's to realise? > > > > to realise the dream of....whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is 'whatever'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's to realise? > > > > the dreaming entity realise the end of the dream > > > > > > > > > > > > > what 'dreaming entity'? surely not the bushmeat 'body' of dancing > > > quantum cypers, mathematical elements that when added to another > > > number yields the same number. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'now' as opposed to? > > > > opposed to 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', last life, next life, ...or > > > > whatever fictions of mind > > > > > > > > > > even the 'mind' that 'fictions', is fiction. the examples given for > > > that which opposes 'now'..( 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', last life, next > > > life, ...or...) are synonyms for, and not different than or opposite > > > of 'now'. all lay within, by, through, and as 'now'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'unrealised? > > > > > > > > yes....the fiction of 'unrealised' too > > > > > > > > > > > the unrealised is neither 'fact' nor 'fiction'. and there is no one > > to > > > realise this. > > > > > > > > > > > never mind. > > > > > > > > no, thanks > > > > > > > > > > > that's 'mind' speaking. forget that, and forget that you've > > forgotten. > > > un-knowing contains and creates the known, which ever is outside the > > > within yet within the outside of the 'understanding' as identity. > > it's > > > a bugger to try and put in words...and besides, there 'is' no one to > > > forget forgetting and ... 'be'. > > > > > > > > no mind...no confusion...no problem. > > > > > > > > yes > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all is yes > > > > > > > > to whom are you talking to....? > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > who's asking? > > .b(who's not) " you " .... " me " ....is asking Marc Ps: " you " ... " me " ...are one and same > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody, ever, got " liberation " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because " liberation " * is All there Is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * or " enlightenment " ....whatever... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some " experiences " of " enlightenment " ...i think....cause > > > > endless > > > > > > > > problems in some confused minds.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but still there is time....infinity/eternity....to get > > over > > > > this > > > > > > > > illusions too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but why not realise truth....here and now...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's to realise? > > > > > > to realise the dream of....whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is 'whatever'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's to realise? > > > > > > the dreaming entity realise the end of the dream > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what 'dreaming entity'? surely not the bushmeat 'body' of > > dancing > > > > > quantum cypers, mathematical elements that when added to > > another > > > > > number yields the same number. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'now' as opposed to? > > > > > > opposed to 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', last life, next > > life, ...or > > > > > > whatever fictions of mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even the 'mind' that 'fictions', is fiction. the examples > > given for > > > > > that which opposes 'now'..( 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', last > > life, next > > > > > life, ...or...) are synonyms for, and not different than or > > opposite > > > > > of 'now'. all lay within, by, through, and as 'now'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'unrealised? > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....the fiction of 'unrealised' too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the unrealised is neither 'fact' nor 'fiction'. and there is > > no one > > > > to > > > > > realise this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > no, thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's 'mind' speaking. forget that, and forget that you've > > > > forgotten. > > > > > un-knowing contains and creates the known, which ever is > > outside the > > > > > within yet within the outside of the 'understanding' as > > identity. > > > > it's > > > > > a bugger to try and put in words...and besides, there 'is' no > > one to > > > > > forget forgetting and ... 'be'. > > > > > > > > > > > > no mind...no confusion...no problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all is yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to whom are you talking to....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's asking? > > > > > > .b(who's not) > > > > > > > > > > > ...strange things happen when the dialogue becomes a monologue..... > > or > > visa versa... > > > > .....like love and peace in the here and now;-) > > > > Love, > > Anna > > > > > ;-) > > it's all monophonic monologue, but 'it's' playing in 'Suround Sound' > with a cast of thousands!. and even if you hear ten thousand > voices..the soma bio-unit eardrum 'skin' hears only one sound that is > filtered and deciphered into many..by whom and why? > > .b by nobody..... there is no reason why.... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <tuvalu66@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody, ever, got " liberation " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because " liberation " * is All there Is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * or " enlightenment " ....whatever... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some " experiences " of " enlightenment " ...i > think....cause > > > > > endless > > > > > > > > > problems in some confused minds.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but still there is time....infinity/eternity....to > get > > > over > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > illusions too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but why not realise truth....here and now...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's to realise? > > > > > > > to realise the dream of....whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is 'whatever'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's to realise? > > > > > > > the dreaming entity realise the end of the dream > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what 'dreaming entity'? surely not the bushmeat 'body' of > > > dancing > > > > > > quantum cypers, mathematical elements that when added to > > > another > > > > > > number yields the same number. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'now' as opposed to? > > > > > > > opposed to 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', last life, next > > > life, ...or > > > > > > > whatever fictions of mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even the 'mind' that 'fictions', is fiction. the examples > > > given for > > > > > > that which opposes 'now'..( 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', last > > > life, next > > > > > > life, ...or...) are synonyms for, and not different than or > > > opposite > > > > > > of 'now'. all lay within, by, through, and as 'now'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'unrealised? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....the fiction of 'unrealised' too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the unrealised is neither 'fact' nor 'fiction'. and there > is > > > no one > > > > > to > > > > > > realise this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no, thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's 'mind' speaking. forget that, and forget that you've > > > > > forgotten. > > > > > > un-knowing contains and creates the known, which ever is > > > outside the > > > > > > within yet within the outside of the 'understanding' as > > > identity. > > > > > it's > > > > > > a bugger to try and put in words...and besides, there 'is' > no > > > one to > > > > > > forget forgetting and ... 'be'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no mind...no confusion...no problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all is yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to whom are you talking to....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's asking? > > > > > > > > .b(who's not) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...strange things happen when the dialogue becomes a > monologue..... > > > or > > > visa versa... > > > > > > .....like love and peace in the here and now;-) > > > > > > Love, > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > it's all monophonic monologue, but 'it's' playing in 'Suround > Sound' > > with a cast of thousands!. and even if you hear ten thousand > > voices..the soma bio-unit eardrum 'skin' hears only one sound that > is > > filtered and deciphered into many..by whom and why? > > > > .b > > > by nobody..... > > there is no reason why.... > > Marc > who says so and why? .b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody, ever, got " liberation " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because " liberation " * is All there Is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * or " enlightenment " ....whatever... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some " experiences " of " enlightenment " ...i > > think....cause > > > > > > endless > > > > > > > > > > problems in some confused minds.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but still there is time....infinity/eternity....to > > get > > > > over > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > illusions too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but why not realise truth....here and now...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's to realise? > > > > > > > > to realise the dream of....whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is 'whatever'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's to realise? > > > > > > > > the dreaming entity realise the end of the dream > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what 'dreaming entity'? surely not the bushmeat 'body' of > > > > dancing > > > > > > > quantum cypers, mathematical elements that when added to > > > > another > > > > > > > number yields the same number. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'now' as opposed to? > > > > > > > > opposed to 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', last life, next > > > > life, ...or > > > > > > > > whatever fictions of mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even the 'mind' that 'fictions', is fiction. the examples > > > > given for > > > > > > > that which opposes 'now'..( 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', last > > > > life, next > > > > > > > life, ...or...) are synonyms for, and not different than or > > > > opposite > > > > > > > of 'now'. all lay within, by, through, and as 'now'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'unrealised? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....the fiction of 'unrealised' too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the unrealised is neither 'fact' nor 'fiction'. and there > > is > > > > no one > > > > > > to > > > > > > > realise this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no, thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's 'mind' speaking. forget that, and forget that you've > > > > > > forgotten. > > > > > > > un-knowing contains and creates the known, which ever is > > > > outside the > > > > > > > within yet within the outside of the 'understanding' as > > > > identity. > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > a bugger to try and put in words...and besides, there 'is' > > no > > > > one to > > > > > > > forget forgetting and ... 'be'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no mind...no confusion...no problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all is yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to whom are you talking to....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's asking? > > > > > > > > > > .b(who's not) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...strange things happen when the dialogue becomes a > > monologue..... > > > > or > > > > visa versa... > > > > > > > > .....like love and peace in the here and now;-) > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > it's all monophonic monologue, but 'it's' playing in 'Suround > > Sound' > > > with a cast of thousands!. and even if you hear ten thousand > > > voices..the soma bio-unit eardrum 'skin' hears only one sound that > > is > > > filtered and deciphered into many..by whom and why? > > > > > > .b > > > > > > by nobody..... > > > > there is no reason why.... > > > > Marc > > > who says so and why? > > .b yourSelf say so.... because it can't say anything else concerning such questions but...if " you " want..... you can imagine whatever answers.......which will cause other questions....again and again.... up to " you " ... i don't care Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody, ever, got " liberation " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because " liberation " * is All there Is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * or " enlightenment " ....whatever... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some " experiences " of " enlightenment " ...i > > > think....cause > > > > > > > endless > > > > > > > > > > > problems in some confused minds.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but still there is > time....infinity/eternity....to > > > get > > > > > over > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > illusions too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but why not realise truth....here and now...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's to realise? > > > > > > > > > to realise the dream of....whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is 'whatever'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's to realise? > > > > > > > > > the dreaming entity realise the end of the dream > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what 'dreaming entity'? surely not the bushmeat 'body' > of > > > > > dancing > > > > > > > > quantum cypers, mathematical elements that when added > to > > > > > another > > > > > > > > number yields the same number. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'now' as opposed to? > > > > > > > > > opposed to 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', last life, next > > > > > life, ...or > > > > > > > > > whatever fictions of mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even the 'mind' that 'fictions', is fiction. the > examples > > > > > given for > > > > > > > > that which opposes 'now'..( 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', > last > > > > > life, next > > > > > > > > life, ...or...) are synonyms for, and not different > than or > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > > of 'now'. all lay within, by, through, and as 'now'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'unrealised? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....the fiction of 'unrealised' too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the unrealised is neither 'fact' nor 'fiction'. and > there > > > is > > > > > no one > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > realise this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no, thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's 'mind' speaking. forget that, and forget that > you've > > > > > > > forgotten. > > > > > > > > un-knowing contains and creates the known, which ever > is > > > > > outside the > > > > > > > > within yet within the outside of the 'understanding' as > > > > > identity. > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > a bugger to try and put in words...and besides, > there 'is' > > > no > > > > > one to > > > > > > > > forget forgetting and ... 'be'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no mind...no confusion...no problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all is yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to whom are you talking to....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's asking? > > > > > > > > > > > > .b(who's not) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...strange things happen when the dialogue becomes a > > > monologue..... > > > > > or > > > > > visa versa... > > > > > > > > > > .....like love and peace in the here and now;-) > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > it's all monophonic monologue, but 'it's' playing in 'Suround > > > Sound' > > > > with a cast of thousands!. and even if you hear ten thousand > > > > voices..the soma bio-unit eardrum 'skin' hears only one sound > that > > > is > > > > filtered and deciphered into many..by whom and why? > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > by nobody..... > > > > > > there is no reason why.... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > who says so and why? > > > > .b > > > yourSelf say so.... > because it can't say anything else concerning such questions > > but...if " you " want..... > > you can imagine whatever answers.......which will cause other > questions....again and again.... > > up to " you " ... > > i don't care > > Marc > My whiskers and my eyebrows Marc! you've got the same stance as the High Indifference. but than neither you nor i, neither inner nor outer, neither high nor low, neither.. thought or no-thought, enlightened or en-darkened, one or many, real or imaginary...you know(whoever you are)...whatever 'it' is or isn't,it has no feelings, i.e. it 'doesn't care'. yet all and everything imagined or experienced, known and unknown, believed or denied...all manner of thing and entity, is closer to, and nestled in, the bosom of that Love which is not love but is the Real...closer than they are to what they imagine themselves and the world to be. the close for which there is no closer. and nothing is real. no questioned asked nor asked for. and it's all " nowhy " , because at one and at once, 'why' no longer applies as it never ever did nor will. when the light lights the darkness, it is now not that the darkness is covered by the light, nor that the darkness has gone...the dark never was. when your smilin', keep on smilin'. .b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody, ever, got " liberation " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because " liberation " * is All there Is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * or " enlightenment " ....whatever... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some " experiences " of " enlightenment " ...i > > > > think....cause > > > > > > > > endless > > > > > > > > > > > > problems in some confused minds.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but still there is > > time....infinity/eternity....to > > > > get > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > illusions too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but why not realise truth....here and now...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's to realise? > > > > > > > > > > to realise the dream of....whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is 'whatever'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's to realise? > > > > > > > > > > the dreaming entity realise the end of the dream > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what 'dreaming entity'? surely not the bushmeat 'body' > > of > > > > > > dancing > > > > > > > > > quantum cypers, mathematical elements that when added > > to > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > number yields the same number. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'now' as opposed to? > > > > > > > > > > opposed to 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', last life, next > > > > > > life, ...or > > > > > > > > > > whatever fictions of mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even the 'mind' that 'fictions', is fiction. the > > examples > > > > > > given for > > > > > > > > > that which opposes 'now'.. ( 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', > > last > > > > > > life, next > > > > > > > > > life, ...or...) are synonyms for, and not different > > than or > > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > > > of 'now'. all lay within, by, through, and as 'now'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'unrealised? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....the fiction of 'unrealised' too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the unrealised is neither 'fact' nor 'fiction'. and > > there > > > > is > > > > > > no one > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > realise this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no, thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's 'mind' speaking. forget that, and forget that > > you've > > > > > > > > forgotten. > > > > > > > > > un-knowing contains and creates the known, which ever > > is > > > > > > outside the > > > > > > > > > within yet within the outside of the 'understanding' as > > > > > > identity. > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > a bugger to try and put in words...and besides, > > there 'is' > > > > no > > > > > > one to > > > > > > > > > forget forgetting and ... 'be'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no mind...no confusion...no problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all is yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to whom are you talking to....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's asking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b(who's not) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...strange things happen when the dialogue becomes a > > > > monologue..... > > > > > > or > > > > > > visa versa... > > > > > > > > > > > > .....like love and peace in the here and now;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > it's all monophonic monologue, but 'it's' playing in 'Suround > > > > Sound' > > > > > with a cast of thousands!. and even if you hear ten thousand > > > > > voices..the soma bio-unit eardrum 'skin' hears only one sound > > that > > > > is > > > > > filtered and deciphered into many..by whom and why? > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > by nobody..... > > > > > > > > there is no reason why.... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > who says so and why? > > > > > > .b > > > > > > yourSelf say so.... > > because it can't say anything else concerning such questions > > > > but...if " you " want..... > > > > you can imagine whatever answers.......which will cause other > > questions....again and again.... > > > > up to " you " ... > > > > i don't care > > > > Marc > > > My whiskers and my eyebrows Marc! you've got the same stance as the > High Indifference. but than neither you nor i, neither inner nor > outer, neither high nor low, neither.. thought or no-thought, > enlightened or en-darkened, one or many, real or imaginary...you > know(whoever you are)...whatever 'it' is or isn't,it has no feelings, > i.e. it 'doesn't care'. yet all and everything imagined or > experienced, known and unknown, believed or denied...all manner of > thing and entity, is closer to, and nestled in, the bosom of that Love > which is not love but is the Real...closer than they are to what they > imagine themselves and the world to be. the close for which there is > no closer. and nothing is real. no questioned asked nor asked for. and > it's all " nowhy " , because at one and at once, 'why' no longer applies > as it never ever did nor will. when the light lights the darkness, it > is now not that the darkness is covered by the light, nor that the > darkness has gone...the dark never was. when your smilin', keep on > smilin'. > > .b sounds good... great music... all smiles in the world....are of One smile.... which don't belong to anybody or to special someones... just like the light... or the tree....the sky...the apple....the sun....the nuclear power station....the criminal....the saint... all are fabuloes thoughts.....of One mind... when One smile ....is based on One mind.... it keep on smiling....because it has smiled since infinite times... .... Marc Ps: lot of words.....to describe the liberation of thoughts.... which all have no real meaning.... except to keep on looking to the never ending...One smile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <tuvalu66@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > <kailashana@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody, ever, got " liberation " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because " liberation " * is All there Is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * or " enlightenment " ....whatever... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some " experiences " of " enlightenment " ...i > > > > > think....cause > > > > > > > > > endless > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems in some confused minds.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but still there is > > > time....infinity/eternity....to > > > > > get > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > illusions too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but why not realise truth....here and now...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's to realise? > > > > > > > > > > > to realise the dream of....whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is 'whatever'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's to realise? > > > > > > > > > > > the dreaming entity realise the end of the dream > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what 'dreaming entity'? surely not the > bushmeat 'body' > > > of > > > > > > > dancing > > > > > > > > > > quantum cypers, mathematical elements that when > added > > > to > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > number yields the same number. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'now' as opposed to? > > > > > > > > > > > opposed to 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', last life, > next > > > > > > > life, ...or > > > > > > > > > > > whatever fictions of mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even the 'mind' that 'fictions', is fiction. the > > > examples > > > > > > > given for > > > > > > > > > > that which opposes 'now'.. > ( 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', > > > last > > > > > > > life, next > > > > > > > > > > life, ...or...) are synonyms for, and not different > > > than or > > > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > > > > of 'now'. all lay within, by, through, and as 'now'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'unrealised? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....the fiction of 'unrealised' too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the unrealised is neither 'fact' nor 'fiction'. and > > > there > > > > > is > > > > > > > no one > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > realise this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no, thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's 'mind' speaking. forget that, and forget > that > > > you've > > > > > > > > > forgotten. > > > > > > > > > > un-knowing contains and creates the known, which > ever > > > is > > > > > > > outside the > > > > > > > > > > within yet within the outside of > the 'understanding' as > > > > > > > identity. > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > a bugger to try and put in words...and besides, > > > there 'is' > > > > > no > > > > > > > one to > > > > > > > > > > forget forgetting and ... 'be'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no mind...no confusion...no problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all is yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to whom are you talking to....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's asking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b(who's not) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...strange things happen when the dialogue becomes a > > > > > monologue..... > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > visa versa... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .....like love and peace in the here and now;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > it's all monophonic monologue, but 'it's' playing > in 'Suround > > > > > Sound' > > > > > > with a cast of thousands!. and even if you hear ten thousand > > > > > > voices..the soma bio-unit eardrum 'skin' hears only one > sound > > > that > > > > > is > > > > > > filtered and deciphered into many..by whom and why? > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by nobody..... > > > > > > > > > > there is no reason why.... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > who says so and why? > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > yourSelf say so.... > > > because it can't say anything else concerning such questions > > > > > > but...if " you " want..... > > > > > > you can imagine whatever answers.......which will cause other > > > questions....again and again.... > > > > > > up to " you " ... > > > > > > i don't care > > > > > > Marc > > > > > My whiskers and my eyebrows Marc! you've got the same stance as the > > High Indifference. but than neither you nor i, neither inner nor > > outer, neither high nor low, neither.. thought or no-thought, > > enlightened or en-darkened, one or many, real or imaginary...you > > know(whoever you are)...whatever 'it' is or isn't,it has no > feelings, > > i.e. it 'doesn't care'. yet all and everything imagined or > > experienced, known and unknown, believed or denied...all manner of > > thing and entity, is closer to, and nestled in, the bosom of that > Love > > which is not love but is the Real...closer than they are to what > they > > imagine themselves and the world to be. the close for which there is > > no closer. and nothing is real. no questioned asked nor asked for. > and > > it's all " nowhy " , because at one and at once, 'why' no longer > applies > > as it never ever did nor will. when the light lights the darkness, > it > > is now not that the darkness is covered by the light, nor that the > > darkness has gone...the dark never was. when your smilin', keep on > > smilin'. > > > > .b > > > sounds good... > > great music... > > > all smiles in the world....are of One smile.... > which don't belong to anybody or to special someones... > > just like the light... > > or the tree....the sky...the apple....the sun....the nuclear power > station....the criminal....the saint... > > all are fabuloes thoughts.....of One mind... > > when One smile ....is based on One mind.... > > it keep on smiling....because it has smiled since infinite times... > > ... > > Marc > > > Ps: lot of words.....to describe the liberation of thoughts.... > which all have no real meaning.... > except to keep on looking to the never ending...One smile > " How wondrous this, how mysterious! I carry fuel, I draw water. " " When hungry, eat, when tired, sleep. " those zen dudes were sooo gone! they're right here. .b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <tuvalu66@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > <kailashana@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody, ever, got " liberation " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because " liberation " * is All there Is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * or " enlightenment " ....whatever... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some " experiences " of " enlightenment " ...i > > > > > think....cause > > > > > > > > > endless > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems in some confused minds.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but still there is > > > time....infinity/eternity....to > > > > > get > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > illusions too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but why not realise truth....here and now...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's to realise? > > > > > > > > > > > to realise the dream of....whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is 'whatever'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's to realise? > > > > > > > > > > > the dreaming entity realise the end of the dream > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what 'dreaming entity'? surely not the > bushmeat 'body' > > > of > > > > > > > dancing > > > > > > > > > > quantum cypers, mathematical elements that when > added > > > to > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > number yields the same number. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'now' as opposed to? > > > > > > > > > > > opposed to 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', last life, > next > > > > > > > life, ...or > > > > > > > > > > > whatever fictions of mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even the 'mind' that 'fictions', is fiction. the > > > examples > > > > > > > given for > > > > > > > > > > that which opposes 'now'.. > ( 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', > > > last > > > > > > > life, next > > > > > > > > > > life, ...or...) are synonyms for, and not different > > > than or > > > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > > > > of 'now'. all lay within, by, through, and as 'now'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'unrealised? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....the fiction of 'unrealised' too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the unrealised is neither 'fact' nor 'fiction'. and > > > there > > > > > is > > > > > > > no one > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > realise this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no, thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's 'mind' speaking. forget that, and forget > that > > > you've > > > > > > > > > forgotten. > > > > > > > > > > un-knowing contains and creates the known, which > ever > > > is > > > > > > > outside the > > > > > > > > > > within yet within the outside of > the 'understanding' as > > > > > > > identity. > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > a bugger to try and put in words...and besides, > > > there 'is' > > > > > no > > > > > > > one to > > > > > > > > > > forget forgetting and ... 'be'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no mind...no confusion...no problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all is yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to whom are you talking to....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's asking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b(who's not) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...strange things happen when the dialogue becomes a > > > > > monologue..... > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > visa versa... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .....like love and peace in the here and now;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > it's all monophonic monologue, but 'it's' playing > in 'Suround > > > > > Sound' > > > > > > with a cast of thousands!. and even if you hear ten thousand > > > > > > voices..the soma bio-unit eardrum 'skin' hears only one > sound > > > that > > > > > is > > > > > > filtered and deciphered into many..by whom and why? > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by nobody..... > > > > > > > > > > there is no reason why.... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > who says so and why? > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > yourSelf say so.... > > > because it can't say anything else concerning such questions > > > > > > but...if " you " want..... > > > > > > you can imagine whatever answers.......which will cause other > > > questions....again and again.... > > > > > > up to " you " ... > > > > > > i don't care > > > > > > Marc > > > > > My whiskers and my eyebrows Marc! you've got the same stance as the > > High Indifference. but than neither you nor i, neither inner nor > > outer, neither high nor low, neither.. thought or no-thought, > > enlightened or en-darkened, one or many, real or imaginary...you > > know(whoever you are)...whatever 'it' is or isn't,it has no > feelings, > > i.e. it 'doesn't care'. yet all and everything imagined or > > experienced, known and unknown, believed or denied...all manner of > > thing and entity, is closer to, and nestled in, the bosom of that > Love > > which is not love but is the Real...closer than they are to what > they > > imagine themselves and the world to be. the close for which there is > > no closer. and nothing is real. no questioned asked nor asked for. > and > > it's all " nowhy " , because at one and at once, 'why' no longer > applies > > as it never ever did nor will. when the light lights the darkness, > it > > is now not that the darkness is covered by the light, nor that the > > darkness has gone...the dark never was. when your smilin', keep on > > smilin'. > > > > .b > > > sounds good... > > great music... > > > all smiles in the world....are of One smile.... > which don't belong to anybody or to special someones... > > just like the light... > > or the tree....the sky...the apple....the sun....the nuclear power > station....the criminal....the saint... > > all are fabuloes thoughts.....of One mind... > > when One smile ....is based on One mind.... > > it keep on smiling....because it has smiled since infinite times... > > ... > > Marc > > > Ps: lot of words.....to describe the liberation of thoughts.... > which all have no real meaning.... > except to keep on looking to the never ending...One smile > You know, Marc, that there are people who dedicate their whole lives to taking that smile off of the face of their victims. There are professional torturers representing multibillion dollar institutions, not to mention governments, with all the latest technology, specializing in the destruction of the mind and the will to live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody, ever, got " liberation " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because " liberation " * is All there Is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * or " enlightenment " ....whatever... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some " experiences " of " enlightenment " ...i > > > > > > think....cause > > > > > > > > > > endless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems in some confused minds.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but still there is > > > > time....infinity/eternity....to > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > illusions too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but why not realise truth....here and now...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's to realise? > > > > > > > > > > > > to realise the dream of....whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is 'whatever'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's to realise? > > > > > > > > > > > > the dreaming entity realise the end of the dream > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what 'dreaming entity'? surely not the > > bushmeat 'body' > > > > of > > > > > > > > dancing > > > > > > > > > > > quantum cypers, mathematical elements that when > > added > > > > to > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > number yields the same number. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'now' as opposed to? > > > > > > > > > > > > opposed to 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', last life, > > next > > > > > > > > life, ...or > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever fictions of mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even the 'mind' that 'fictions', is fiction. the > > > > examples > > > > > > > > given for > > > > > > > > > > > that which opposes 'now'.. > > ( 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', > > > > last > > > > > > > > life, next > > > > > > > > > > > life, ...or...) are synonyms for, and not different > > > > than or > > > > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > > > > > of 'now'. all lay within, by, through, and as 'now'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'unrealised? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....the fiction of 'unrealised' too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the unrealised is neither 'fact' nor 'fiction'. and > > > > there > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > no one > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > realise this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no, thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's 'mind' speaking. forget that, and forget > > that > > > > you've > > > > > > > > > > forgotten. > > > > > > > > > > > un-knowing contains and creates the known, which > > ever > > > > is > > > > > > > > outside the > > > > > > > > > > > within yet within the outside of > > the 'understanding' as > > > > > > > > identity. > > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > a bugger to try and put in words...and besides, > > > > there 'is' > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > one to > > > > > > > > > > > forget forgetting and ... 'be'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no mind...no confusion...no problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all is yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to whom are you talking to....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's asking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b(who's not) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...strange things happen when the dialogue becomes a > > > > > > monologue..... > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > visa versa... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .....like love and peace in the here and now;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's all monophonic monologue, but 'it's' playing > > in 'Suround > > > > > > Sound' > > > > > > > with a cast of thousands!. and even if you hear ten thousand > > > > > > > voices..the soma bio-unit eardrum 'skin' hears only one > > sound > > > > that > > > > > > is > > > > > > > filtered and deciphered into many..by whom and why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by nobody..... > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no reason why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > who says so and why? > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > yourSelf say so.... > > > > because it can't say anything else concerning such questions > > > > > > > > but...if " you " want..... > > > > > > > > you can imagine whatever answers.......which will cause other > > > > questions....again and again.... > > > > > > > > up to " you " ... > > > > > > > > i don't care > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > My whiskers and my eyebrows Marc! you've got the same stance as the > > > High Indifference. but than neither you nor i, neither inner nor > > > outer, neither high nor low, neither.. thought or no-thought, > > > enlightened or en-darkened, one or many, real or imaginary...you > > > know(whoever you are)...whatever 'it' is or isn't,it has no > > feelings, > > > i.e. it 'doesn't care'. yet all and everything imagined or > > > experienced, known and unknown, believed or denied...all manner of > > > thing and entity, is closer to, and nestled in, the bosom of that > > Love > > > which is not love but is the Real...closer than they are to what > > they > > > imagine themselves and the world to be. the close for which there is > > > no closer. and nothing is real. no questioned asked nor asked for. > > and > > > it's all " nowhy " , because at one and at once, 'why' no longer > > applies > > > as it never ever did nor will. when the light lights the darkness, > > it > > > is now not that the darkness is covered by the light, nor that the > > > darkness has gone...the dark never was. when your smilin', keep on > > > smilin'. > > > > > > .b > > > > > > sounds good... > > > > great music... > > > > > > all smiles in the world....are of One smile.... > > which don't belong to anybody or to special someones... > > > > just like the light... > > > > or the tree....the sky...the apple....the sun....the nuclear power > > station....the criminal....the saint... > > > > all are fabuloes thoughts.....of One mind... > > > > when One smile ....is based on One mind.... > > > > it keep on smiling....because it has smiled since infinite times... > > > > ... > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: lot of words.....to describe the liberation of thoughts.... > > which all have no real meaning.... > > except to keep on looking to the never ending...One smile > > > > > > You know, Marc, that there are people who dedicate their whole lives > to taking that smile off of the face of their victims. There are > professional torturers representing multibillion dollar institutions, > not to mention governments, with all the latest technology, > specializing in the destruction of the mind and the will to live. > GADZOOKS! But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth; yet look not for the kingdom to come, it is amongst the amongst. and it's light and easy, while the dark side of it all is judging and bemoaning everything it creates and projects. and it's worth more than a multi-terraflop-gazillion bucks to become one with that understanding. .b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody, ever, got " liberation " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because " liberation " * is All there Is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * or " enlightenment " ....whatever... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some " experiences " of " enlightenment " ...i > > > > > > > think....cause > > > > > > > > > > > endless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems in some confused minds.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but still there is > > > > > time....infinity/eternity....to > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > illusions too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but why not realise truth....here and now...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's to realise? > > > > > > > > > > > > > to realise the dream of....whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is 'whatever'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's to realise? > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dreaming entity realise the end of the dream > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what 'dreaming entity'? surely not the > > > bushmeat 'body' > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > dancing > > > > > > > > > > > > quantum cypers, mathematical elements that when > > > added > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > number yields the same number. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'now' as opposed to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > opposed to 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', last life, > > > next > > > > > > > > > life, ...or > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever fictions of mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even the 'mind' that 'fictions', is fiction. the > > > > > examples > > > > > > > > > given for > > > > > > > > > > > > that which opposes 'now'.. > > > ( 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > life, next > > > > > > > > > > > > life, ...or...) are synonyms for, and not different > > > > > than or > > > > > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > > > > > > of 'now'. all lay within, by, through, and as 'now'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'unrealised? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....the fiction of 'unrealised' too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the unrealised is neither 'fact' nor 'fiction'. and > > > > > there > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > no one > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > realise this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no, thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's 'mind' speaking. forget that, and forget > > > that > > > > > you've > > > > > > > > > > > forgotten. > > > > > > > > > > > > un-knowing contains and creates the known, which > > > ever > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > outside the > > > > > > > > > > > > within yet within the outside of > > > the 'understanding' as > > > > > > > > > identity. > > > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > a bugger to try and put in words...and besides, > > > > > there 'is' > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > one to > > > > > > > > > > > > forget forgetting and ... 'be'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no mind...no confusion...no problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all is yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to whom are you talking to....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's asking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b(who's not) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...strange things happen when the dialogue becomes a > > > > > > > monologue..... > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > visa versa... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .....like love and peace in the here and now;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's all monophonic monologue, but 'it's' playing > > > in 'Suround > > > > > > > Sound' > > > > > > > > with a cast of thousands!. and even if you hear ten thousand > > > > > > > > voices..the soma bio-unit eardrum 'skin' hears only one > > > sound > > > > > that > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > filtered and deciphered into many..by whom and why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by nobody..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no reason why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > who says so and why? > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yourSelf say so.... > > > > > because it can't say anything else concerning such questions > > > > > > > > > > but...if " you " want..... > > > > > > > > > > you can imagine whatever answers.......which will cause other > > > > > questions....again and again.... > > > > > > > > > > up to " you " ... > > > > > > > > > > i don't care > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > My whiskers and my eyebrows Marc! you've got the same stance as the > > > > High Indifference. but than neither you nor i, neither inner nor > > > > outer, neither high nor low, neither.. thought or no-thought, > > > > enlightened or en-darkened, one or many, real or imaginary...you > > > > know(whoever you are)...whatever 'it' is or isn't,it has no > > > feelings, > > > > i.e. it 'doesn't care'. yet all and everything imagined or > > > > experienced, known and unknown, believed or denied...all manner of > > > > thing and entity, is closer to, and nestled in, the bosom of that > > > Love > > > > which is not love but is the Real...closer than they are to what > > > they > > > > imagine themselves and the world to be. the close for which there is > > > > no closer. and nothing is real. no questioned asked nor asked for. > > > and > > > > it's all " nowhy " , because at one and at once, 'why' no longer > > > applies > > > > as it never ever did nor will. when the light lights the darkness, > > > it > > > > is now not that the darkness is covered by the light, nor that the > > > > darkness has gone...the dark never was. when your smilin', keep on > > > > smilin'. > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > sounds good... > > > > > > great music... > > > > > > > > > all smiles in the world....are of One smile.... > > > which don't belong to anybody or to special someones... > > > > > > just like the light... > > > > > > or the tree....the sky...the apple....the sun....the nuclear power > > > station....the criminal....the saint... > > > > > > all are fabuloes thoughts.....of One mind... > > > > > > when One smile ....is based on One mind.... > > > > > > it keep on smiling....because it has smiled since infinite times... > > > > > > ... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Ps: lot of words.....to describe the liberation of thoughts.... > > > which all have no real meaning.... > > > except to keep on looking to the never ending...One smile > > > > > > > > > > > You know, Marc, that there are people who dedicate their whole lives > > to taking that smile off of the face of their victims. There are > > professional torturers representing multibillion dollar institutions, > > not to mention governments, with all the latest technology, > > specializing in the destruction of the mind and the will to live. > > > > > GADZOOKS! But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer > darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth; yet look not > for the kingdom to come, it is amongst the amongst. and it's light and > easy, while the dark side of it all is judging and bemoaning > everything it creates and projects. and it's worth more than a > multi-terraflop-gazillion bucks to become one with that understanding. > > > .b > Now, Bob, I know that you're caffeine driven, and thus will look for any excuse to have the last word, no matter what that word may be: just to get you ya yas out. But how would you know what is and what isn't worth any blank amount of money? I'm sure you haven't done any empirical nor even anecdotal research on this. You know, anecdotally, that it has also been said that if, given a choice between a million dollars and enlightenment, one should go for the bucks. I'm not saying yeah nor neigh, here. I'm just saying that you speak with the certainty of one who knows not but impulsive declarations. Not to offend, since I know you're basically pretty flexible. And will end up blowing it all off anyway. In fact, hasn't " the blow off, " been your earliest speciality, even before you heard the word " enlightenment " ? Again, not to offend. I like you, despite the fact that you b.s. like it was going out of style. One never knows whether you mean what you say, or are just playing games. But you're fun. That doesn't mean that you'd hold up under torture. Ever heard of " extraordinary rendition " ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 > > > > Now, Bob, I know that you're caffeine driven, and thus will look for > any excuse to have the last word, no matter what that word may be: > just to get you ya yas out. But how would you know what is and what > isn't worth any blank amount of money? I'm sure you haven't done any > empirical nor even anecdotal research on this. > > You know, anecdotally, that it has also been said that if, given a > choice between a million dollars and enlightenment, one should go for > the bucks. I'm not saying yeah nor neigh, here. I'm just saying that > you speak with the certainty of one who knows not but impulsive > declarations. > > Not to offend, since I know you're basically pretty flexible. And > will end up blowing it all off anyway. In fact, hasn't " the blow > off, " been your earliest speciality, even before you heard the word > " enlightenment " ? > > Again, not to offend. I like you, despite the fact that you b.s. like > it was going out of style. One never knows whether you mean what you > say, or are just playing games. But you're fun. > > That doesn't mean that you'd hold up under torture. Ever heard of > " extraordinary rendition " ? > my goodness but you do take things seriously. well for you all the above nonsense is true. god bless you and enjoy the show, it won't last..never has, never will. and by the bye, your game is never out of style...though it's not stylish. it is the sorry lot and diversion of many. so enjoy. and I think I've shown great fortitude under the torture of some bizarre rants and postings, so fear not for yours truly under fire. ask not what you can believe or not believe, rather ask why the need of belief at all. when one knows one knows and all blind convictions and autotelism no longer fit the case. this is the extraordinary rendition of the way it is. .b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Now, Bob, I know that you're caffeine driven, and thus will look for > > any excuse to have the last word, no matter what that word may be: > > just to get you ya yas out. But how would you know what is and what > > isn't worth any blank amount of money? I'm sure you haven't done any > > empirical nor even anecdotal research on this. > > > > You know, anecdotally, that it has also been said that if, given a > > choice between a million dollars and enlightenment, one should go for > > the bucks. I'm not saying yeah nor neigh, here. I'm just saying that > > you speak with the certainty of one who knows not but impulsive > > declarations. > > > > Not to offend, since I know you're basically pretty flexible. And > > will end up blowing it all off anyway. In fact, hasn't " the blow > > off, " been your earliest speciality, even before you heard the word > > " enlightenment " ? > > > > Again, not to offend. I like you, despite the fact that you b.s. like > > it was going out of style. One never knows whether you mean what you > > say, or are just playing games. But you're fun. > > > > That doesn't mean that you'd hold up under torture. Ever heard of > > " extraordinary rendition " ? > > > > > my goodness but you do take things seriously. well for you all the > above nonsense is true. god bless you and enjoy the show, it won't > last..never has, never will. and by the bye, your game is never out of > style...though it's not stylish. it is the sorry lot and diversion of > many. so enjoy. and I think I've shown great fortitude under the > torture of some bizarre rants and postings, so fear not for yours > truly under fire. ask not what you can believe or not believe, rather > ask why the need of belief at all. when one knows one knows and all > blind convictions and autotelism no longer fit the case. this is the > extraordinary rendition of the way it is. > > .b > blink, blink I know what you're going through, (obviously-- to a degree). And the degree is one of being Very Serious about NOT taking things seriously. That's why you have to have the last word, remember Walter Cronkite ( " that's the way it is " )? He has been, by the way, part of the CIA cover up of the Kennedy Assassination. So, I wonder what you're trying to cover up? But don't worry, I'll let you have the last word. wink, wink (Not to mention your explosive Irish temper. But 'nuf said, eh?) relax relax (I said I'd let you have the last word!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Bob, I know that you're caffeine driven, and thus will look for > > > any excuse to have the last word, no matter what that word may be: > > > just to get you ya yas out. But how would you know what is and what > > > isn't worth any blank amount of money? I'm sure you haven't done any > > > empirical nor even anecdotal research on this. > > > > > > You know, anecdotally, that it has also been said that if, given a > > > choice between a million dollars and enlightenment, one should go for > > > the bucks. I'm not saying yeah nor neigh, here. I'm just saying that > > > you speak with the certainty of one who knows not but impulsive > > > declarations. > > > > > > Not to offend, since I know you're basically pretty flexible. And > > > will end up blowing it all off anyway. In fact, hasn't " the blow > > > off, " been your earliest speciality, even before you heard the word > > > " enlightenment " ? > > > > > > Again, not to offend. I like you, despite the fact that you b.s. like > > > it was going out of style. One never knows whether you mean what you > > > say, or are just playing games. But you're fun. > > > > > > That doesn't mean that you'd hold up under torture. Ever heard of > > > " extraordinary rendition " ? > > > > > > > > > my goodness but you do take things seriously. well for you all the > > above nonsense is true. god bless you and enjoy the show, it won't > > last..never has, never will. and by the bye, your game is never out of > > style...though it's not stylish. it is the sorry lot and diversion of > > many. so enjoy. and I think I've shown great fortitude under the > > torture of some bizarre rants and postings, so fear not for yours > > truly under fire. ask not what you can believe or not believe, rather > > ask why the need of belief at all. when one knows one knows and all > > blind convictions and autotelism no longer fit the case. this is the > > extraordinary rendition of the way it is. > > > > .b > > > > > > > blink, blink > > I know what you're going through, (obviously-- to a degree). And the > degree is one of being Very Serious about NOT taking things seriously. > That's why you have to have the last word, remember Walter Cronkite > ( " that's the way it is " )? > > He has been, by the way, part of the CIA cover up of the Kennedy > Assassination. So, I wonder what you're trying to cover up? But > don't worry, I'll let you have the last word. > > wink, wink > > > > (Not to mention your explosive Irish temper. But 'nuf said, eh?) > > > relax > > relax > > (I said I'd let you have the last word!) > are you ok? .b(the last logos) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody, ever, got " liberation " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because " liberation " * is All there Is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * or " enlightenment " ....whatever... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some " experiences " of " enlightenment " ...i > > > > > > think....cause > > > > > > > > > > endless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems in some confused minds.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but still there is > > > > time....infinity/eternity....to > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > illusions too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but why not realise truth....here and now...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's to realise? > > > > > > > > > > > > to realise the dream of....whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is 'whatever'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's to realise? > > > > > > > > > > > > the dreaming entity realise the end of the dream > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what 'dreaming entity'? surely not the > > bushmeat 'body' > > > > of > > > > > > > > dancing > > > > > > > > > > > quantum cypers, mathematical elements that when > > added > > > > to > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > number yields the same number. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'now' as opposed to? > > > > > > > > > > > > opposed to 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', last life, > > next > > > > > > > > life, ...or > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever fictions of mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even the 'mind' that 'fictions', is fiction. the > > > > examples > > > > > > > > given for > > > > > > > > > > > that which opposes 'now'.. > > ( 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', > > > > last > > > > > > > > life, next > > > > > > > > > > > life, ...or...) are synonyms for, and not different > > > > than or > > > > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > > > > > of 'now'. all lay within, by, through, and as 'now'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'unrealised? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....the fiction of 'unrealised' too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the unrealised is neither 'fact' nor 'fiction'. and > > > > there > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > no one > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > realise this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no, thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's 'mind' speaking. forget that, and forget > > that > > > > you've > > > > > > > > > > forgotten. > > > > > > > > > > > un-knowing contains and creates the known, which > > ever > > > > is > > > > > > > > outside the > > > > > > > > > > > within yet within the outside of > > the 'understanding' as > > > > > > > > identity. > > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > a bugger to try and put in words...and besides, > > > > there 'is' > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > one to > > > > > > > > > > > forget forgetting and ... 'be'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no mind...no confusion...no problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all is yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to whom are you talking to....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's asking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b(who's not) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...strange things happen when the dialogue becomes a > > > > > > monologue..... > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > visa versa... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .....like love and peace in the here and now;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's all monophonic monologue, but 'it's' playing > > in 'Suround > > > > > > Sound' > > > > > > > with a cast of thousands!. and even if you hear ten thousand > > > > > > > voices..the soma bio-unit eardrum 'skin' hears only one > > sound > > > > that > > > > > > is > > > > > > > filtered and deciphered into many..by whom and why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by nobody..... > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no reason why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > who says so and why? > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > yourSelf say so.... > > > > because it can't say anything else concerning such questions > > > > > > > > but...if " you " want..... > > > > > > > > you can imagine whatever answers.......which will cause other > > > > questions....again and again.... > > > > > > > > up to " you " ... > > > > > > > > i don't care > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > My whiskers and my eyebrows Marc! you've got the same stance as the > > > High Indifference. but than neither you nor i, neither inner nor > > > outer, neither high nor low, neither.. thought or no-thought, > > > enlightened or en-darkened, one or many, real or imaginary...you > > > know(whoever you are)...whatever 'it' is or isn't,it has no > > feelings, > > > i.e. it 'doesn't care'. yet all and everything imagined or > > > experienced, known and unknown, believed or denied...all manner of > > > thing and entity, is closer to, and nestled in, the bosom of that > > Love > > > which is not love but is the Real...closer than they are to what > > they > > > imagine themselves and the world to be. the close for which there is > > > no closer. and nothing is real. no questioned asked nor asked for. > > and > > > it's all " nowhy " , because at one and at once, 'why' no longer > > applies > > > as it never ever did nor will. when the light lights the darkness, > > it > > > is now not that the darkness is covered by the light, nor that the > > > darkness has gone...the dark never was. when your smilin', keep on > > > smilin'. > > > > > > .b > > > > > > sounds good... > > > > great music... > > > > > > all smiles in the world....are of One smile.... > > which don't belong to anybody or to special someones... > > > > just like the light... > > > > or the tree....the sky...the apple....the sun....the nuclear power > > station....the criminal....the saint... > > > > all are fabuloes thoughts.....of One mind... > > > > when One smile ....is based on One mind.... > > > > it keep on smiling....because it has smiled since infinite times... > > > > ... > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: lot of words.....to describe the liberation of thoughts.... > > which all have no real meaning.... > > except to keep on looking to the never ending...One smile > " How wondrous this, how mysterious! > > I carry fuel, I draw water. " > > > " When hungry, eat, when tired, sleep. " > > > those zen dudes were sooo gone! > > they're right here. > > .b " when hungry, eat, when tired, sleep " .... yes....instead to write endless poetry.... i think, sometimes it would be better....to just sleep.... better for the poet...and better for the world... lol Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody, ever, got " liberation " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because " liberation " * is All there Is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * or " enlightenment " ....whatever... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some " experiences " of " enlightenment " ...i > > > > > > think....cause > > > > > > > > > > endless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems in some confused minds.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but still there is > > > > time....infinity/eternity....to > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > illusions too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but why not realise truth....here and now...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's to realise? > > > > > > > > > > > > to realise the dream of....whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is 'whatever'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's to realise? > > > > > > > > > > > > the dreaming entity realise the end of the dream > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what 'dreaming entity'? surely not the > > bushmeat 'body' > > > > of > > > > > > > > dancing > > > > > > > > > > > quantum cypers, mathematical elements that when > > added > > > > to > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > number yields the same number. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'now' as opposed to? > > > > > > > > > > > > opposed to 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', last life, > > next > > > > > > > > life, ...or > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever fictions of mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even the 'mind' that 'fictions', is fiction. the > > > > examples > > > > > > > > given for > > > > > > > > > > > that which opposes 'now'.. > > ( 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', > > > > last > > > > > > > > life, next > > > > > > > > > > > life, ...or...) are synonyms for, and not different > > > > than or > > > > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > > > > > of 'now'. all lay within, by, through, and as 'now'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'unrealised? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....the fiction of 'unrealised' too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the unrealised is neither 'fact' nor 'fiction'. and > > > > there > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > no one > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > realise this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no, thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's 'mind' speaking. forget that, and forget > > that > > > > you've > > > > > > > > > > forgotten. > > > > > > > > > > > un-knowing contains and creates the known, which > > ever > > > > is > > > > > > > > outside the > > > > > > > > > > > within yet within the outside of > > the 'understanding' as > > > > > > > > identity. > > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > a bugger to try and put in words...and besides, > > > > there 'is' > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > one to > > > > > > > > > > > forget forgetting and ... 'be'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no mind...no confusion...no problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all is yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to whom are you talking to....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's asking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b(who's not) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...strange things happen when the dialogue becomes a > > > > > > monologue..... > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > visa versa... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .....like love and peace in the here and now;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's all monophonic monologue, but 'it's' playing > > in 'Suround > > > > > > Sound' > > > > > > > with a cast of thousands!. and even if you hear ten thousand > > > > > > > voices..the soma bio-unit eardrum 'skin' hears only one > > sound > > > > that > > > > > > is > > > > > > > filtered and deciphered into many..by whom and why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by nobody..... > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no reason why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > who says so and why? > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > yourSelf say so.... > > > > because it can't say anything else concerning such questions > > > > > > > > but...if " you " want..... > > > > > > > > you can imagine whatever answers.......which will cause other > > > > questions....again and again.... > > > > > > > > up to " you " ... > > > > > > > > i don't care > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > My whiskers and my eyebrows Marc! you've got the same stance as the > > > High Indifference. but than neither you nor i, neither inner nor > > > outer, neither high nor low, neither.. thought or no-thought, > > > enlightened or en-darkened, one or many, real or imaginary...you > > > know(whoever you are)...whatever 'it' is or isn't,it has no > > feelings, > > > i.e. it 'doesn't care'. yet all and everything imagined or > > > experienced, known and unknown, believed or denied...all manner of > > > thing and entity, is closer to, and nestled in, the bosom of that > > Love > > > which is not love but is the Real...closer than they are to what > > they > > > imagine themselves and the world to be. the close for which there is > > > no closer. and nothing is real. no questioned asked nor asked for. > > and > > > it's all " nowhy " , because at one and at once, 'why' no longer > > applies > > > as it never ever did nor will. when the light lights the darkness, > > it > > > is now not that the darkness is covered by the light, nor that the > > > darkness has gone...the dark never was. when your smilin', keep on > > > smilin'. > > > > > > .b > > > > > > sounds good... > > > > great music... > > > > > > all smiles in the world....are of One smile.... > > which don't belong to anybody or to special someones... > > > > just like the light... > > > > or the tree....the sky...the apple....the sun....the nuclear power > > station....the criminal....the saint... > > > > all are fabuloes thoughts.....of One mind... > > > > when One smile ....is based on One mind.... > > > > it keep on smiling....because it has smiled since infinite times... > > > > ... > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: lot of words.....to describe the liberation of thoughts.... > > which all have no real meaning.... > > except to keep on looking to the never ending...One smile > > > > > > You know, Marc, that there are people who dedicate their whole lives > to taking that smile off of the face of their victims. There are > professional torturers representing multibillion dollar institutions, > not to mention governments, with all the latest technology, > specializing in the destruction of the mind and the will to live. yes...i know... why being attached to such people....? free up your mind.... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <tuvalu66@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody, ever, got " liberation " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because " liberation " * is All there Is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * or " enlightenment " ....whatever... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some " experiences " of " enlightenment " ...i > > > > > > > think....cause > > > > > > > > > > > endless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems in some confused minds.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but still there is > > > > > time....infinity/eternity....to > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > illusions too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but why not realise truth....here and > now...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's to realise? > > > > > > > > > > > > > to realise the dream of....whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is 'whatever'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's to realise? > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dreaming entity realise the end of the > dream > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what 'dreaming entity'? surely not the > > > bushmeat 'body' > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > dancing > > > > > > > > > > > > quantum cypers, mathematical elements that when > > > added > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > number yields the same number. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'now' as opposed to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > opposed to 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', last > life, > > > next > > > > > > > > > life, ...or > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever fictions of mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even the 'mind' that 'fictions', is fiction. > the > > > > > examples > > > > > > > > > given for > > > > > > > > > > > > that which opposes 'now'.. > > > ( 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > life, next > > > > > > > > > > > > life, ...or...) are synonyms for, and not > different > > > > > than or > > > > > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > > > > > > of 'now'. all lay within, by, through, and > as 'now'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'unrealised? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....the fiction of 'unrealised' too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the unrealised is neither 'fact' nor 'fiction'. > and > > > > > there > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > no one > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > realise this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no, thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's 'mind' speaking. forget that, and forget > > > that > > > > > you've > > > > > > > > > > > forgotten. > > > > > > > > > > > > un-knowing contains and creates the known, > which > > > ever > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > outside the > > > > > > > > > > > > within yet within the outside of > > > the 'understanding' as > > > > > > > > > identity. > > > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > a bugger to try and put in words...and besides, > > > > > there 'is' > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > one to > > > > > > > > > > > > forget forgetting and ... 'be'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no mind...no confusion...no problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all is yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to whom are you talking to....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's asking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b(who's not) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...strange things happen when the dialogue becomes a > > > > > > > monologue..... > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > visa versa... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .....like love and peace in the here and now;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's all monophonic monologue, but 'it's' playing > > > in 'Suround > > > > > > > Sound' > > > > > > > > with a cast of thousands!. and even if you hear ten > thousand > > > > > > > > voices..the soma bio-unit eardrum 'skin' hears only one > > > sound > > > > > that > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > filtered and deciphered into many..by whom and why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by nobody..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no reason why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > who says so and why? > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yourSelf say so.... > > > > > because it can't say anything else concerning such questions > > > > > > > > > > but...if " you " want..... > > > > > > > > > > you can imagine whatever answers.......which will cause other > > > > > questions....again and again.... > > > > > > > > > > up to " you " ... > > > > > > > > > > i don't care > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > My whiskers and my eyebrows Marc! you've got the same stance as > the > > > > High Indifference. but than neither you nor i, neither inner nor > > > > outer, neither high nor low, neither.. thought or no-thought, > > > > enlightened or en-darkened, one or many, real or imaginary...you > > > > know(whoever you are)...whatever 'it' is or isn't,it has no > > > feelings, > > > > i.e. it 'doesn't care'. yet all and everything imagined or > > > > experienced, known and unknown, believed or denied...all manner > of > > > > thing and entity, is closer to, and nestled in, the bosom of > that > > > Love > > > > which is not love but is the Real...closer than they are to > what > > > they > > > > imagine themselves and the world to be. the close for which > there is > > > > no closer. and nothing is real. no questioned asked nor asked > for. > > > and > > > > it's all " nowhy " , because at one and at once, 'why' no longer > > > applies > > > > as it never ever did nor will. when the light lights the > darkness, > > > it > > > > is now not that the darkness is covered by the light, nor that > the > > > > darkness has gone...the dark never was. when your smilin', keep > on > > > > smilin'. > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > sounds good... > > > > > > great music... > > > > > > > > > all smiles in the world....are of One smile.... > > > which don't belong to anybody or to special someones... > > > > > > just like the light... > > > > > > or the tree....the sky...the apple....the sun....the nuclear > power > > > station....the criminal....the saint... > > > > > > all are fabuloes thoughts.....of One mind... > > > > > > when One smile ....is based on One mind.... > > > > > > it keep on smiling....because it has smiled since infinite > times... > > > > > > ... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Ps: lot of words.....to describe the liberation of thoughts.... > > > which all have no real meaning.... > > > except to keep on looking to the never ending...One smile > > > > > > > > > > > You know, Marc, that there are people who dedicate their whole lives > > to taking that smile off of the face of their victims. There are > > professional torturers representing multibillion dollar > institutions, > > not to mention governments, with all the latest technology, > > specializing in the destruction of the mind and the will to live. > > yes...i know... > > why being attached to such people....? > > free up your mind.... > > Marc > > > I'm not suggesting that anyone be attached to anything. In fact, I'm suggesting the opposite. I'm saying that you might NOT want to be attached to " keep on looking to the never ending...One smile " because you can easily lose that, as well. One can be attached to non-attachment every bit as much as to attachment. To love & peace, every bit as much as to hate & war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody, ever, got " liberation " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because " liberation " * is All there Is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * or " enlightenment " ....whatever... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some " experiences " of " enlightenment " ...i > > > > > > > > think....cause > > > > > > > > > > > > endless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems in some confused minds.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but still there is > > > > > > time....infinity/eternity....to > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > illusions too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but why not realise truth....here and > > now...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's to realise? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to realise the dream of....whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is 'whatever'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's to realise? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dreaming entity realise the end of the > > dream > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what 'dreaming entity'? surely not the > > > > bushmeat 'body' > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > dancing > > > > > > > > > > > > > quantum cypers, mathematical elements that when > > > > added > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > number yields the same number. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'now' as opposed to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > opposed to 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', last > > life, > > > > next > > > > > > > > > > life, ...or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever fictions of mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even the 'mind' that 'fictions', is fiction. > > the > > > > > > examples > > > > > > > > > > given for > > > > > > > > > > > > > that which opposes 'now'.. > > > > ( 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > life, next > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, ...or...) are synonyms for, and not > > different > > > > > > than or > > > > > > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > > > > > > > of 'now'. all lay within, by, through, and > > as 'now'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'unrealised? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....the fiction of 'unrealised' too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the unrealised is neither 'fact' nor 'fiction'. > > and > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > no one > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no, thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's 'mind' speaking. forget that, and forget > > > > that > > > > > > you've > > > > > > > > > > > > forgotten. > > > > > > > > > > > > > un-knowing contains and creates the known, > > which > > > > ever > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > outside the > > > > > > > > > > > > > within yet within the outside of > > > > the 'understanding' as > > > > > > > > > > identity. > > > > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > > a bugger to try and put in words...and besides, > > > > > > there 'is' > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > one to > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget forgetting and ... 'be'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no mind...no confusion...no problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all is yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to whom are you talking to....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's asking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b(who's not) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...strange things happen when the dialogue becomes a > > > > > > > > monologue..... > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > visa versa... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .....like love and peace in the here and now;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's all monophonic monologue, but 'it's' playing > > > > in 'Suround > > > > > > > > Sound' > > > > > > > > > with a cast of thousands!. and even if you hear ten > > thousand > > > > > > > > > voices..the soma bio-unit eardrum 'skin' hears only one > > > > sound > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > filtered and deciphered into many..by whom and why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by nobody..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no reason why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who says so and why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yourSelf say so.... > > > > > > because it can't say anything else concerning such questions > > > > > > > > > > > > but...if " you " want..... > > > > > > > > > > > > you can imagine whatever answers.......which will cause other > > > > > > questions....again and again.... > > > > > > > > > > > > up to " you " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't care > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > My whiskers and my eyebrows Marc! you've got the same stance as > > the > > > > > High Indifference. but than neither you nor i, neither inner nor > > > > > outer, neither high nor low, neither.. thought or no- thought, > > > > > enlightened or en-darkened, one or many, real or imaginary...you > > > > > know(whoever you are)...whatever 'it' is or isn't,it has no > > > > feelings, > > > > > i.e. it 'doesn't care'. yet all and everything imagined or > > > > > experienced, known and unknown, believed or denied...all manner > > of > > > > > thing and entity, is closer to, and nestled in, the bosom of > > that > > > > Love > > > > > which is not love but is the Real...closer than they are to > > what > > > > they > > > > > imagine themselves and the world to be. the close for which > > there is > > > > > no closer. and nothing is real. no questioned asked nor asked > > for. > > > > and > > > > > it's all " nowhy " , because at one and at once, 'why' no longer > > > > applies > > > > > as it never ever did nor will. when the light lights the > > darkness, > > > > it > > > > > is now not that the darkness is covered by the light, nor that > > the > > > > > darkness has gone...the dark never was. when your smilin', keep > > on > > > > > smilin'. > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds good... > > > > > > > > great music... > > > > > > > > > > > > all smiles in the world....are of One smile.... > > > > which don't belong to anybody or to special someones... > > > > > > > > just like the light... > > > > > > > > or the tree....the sky...the apple....the sun....the nuclear > > power > > > > station....the criminal....the saint... > > > > > > > > all are fabuloes thoughts.....of One mind... > > > > > > > > when One smile ....is based on One mind.... > > > > > > > > it keep on smiling....because it has smiled since infinite > > times... > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: lot of words.....to describe the liberation of thoughts.... > > > > which all have no real meaning.... > > > > except to keep on looking to the never ending...One smile > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know, Marc, that there are people who dedicate their whole lives > > > to taking that smile off of the face of their victims. There are > > > professional torturers representing multibillion dollar > > institutions, > > > not to mention governments, with all the latest technology, > > > specializing in the destruction of the mind and the will to live. > > > > yes...i know... > > > > why being attached to such people....? > > > > free up your mind.... > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > I'm not suggesting that anyone be attached to anything. In fact, I'm > suggesting the opposite. I'm saying that you might NOT want to be > attached to " keep on looking to the never ending...One smile " because > you can easily lose that, as well. > > One can be attached to non-attachment every bit as much as to > attachment. To love & peace, every bit as much as to hate & war. so finaly....what is it....you are attached to...? i didn't tell....that i would... " want " ....this or that... i only spoke of the Smile....which don't belong to anyone...in special.... have a break... 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