Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody, ever, got " liberation " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because " liberation " * is All there Is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * or " enlightenment " ....whatever... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some " experiences " of " enlightenment " ...i > > > > > > > > think....cause > > > > > > > > > > > > endless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems in some confused minds.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but still there is > > > > > > time....infinity/eternity....to > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > illusions too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but why not realise truth....here and > > now...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's to realise? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to realise the dream of....whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is 'whatever'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's to realise? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dreaming entity realise the end of the > > dream > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what 'dreaming entity'? surely not the > > > > bushmeat 'body' > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > dancing > > > > > > > > > > > > > quantum cypers, mathematical elements that when > > > > added > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > number yields the same number. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'now' as opposed to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > opposed to 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', last > > life, > > > > next > > > > > > > > > > life, ...or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever fictions of mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even the 'mind' that 'fictions', is fiction. > > the > > > > > > examples > > > > > > > > > > given for > > > > > > > > > > > > > that which opposes 'now'.. > > > > ( 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > life, next > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, ...or...) are synonyms for, and not > > different > > > > > > than or > > > > > > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > > > > > > > of 'now'. all lay within, by, through, and > > as 'now'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'unrealised? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....the fiction of 'unrealised' too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the unrealised is neither 'fact' nor 'fiction'. > > and > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > no one > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no, thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's 'mind' speaking. forget that, and forget > > > > that > > > > > > you've > > > > > > > > > > > > forgotten. > > > > > > > > > > > > > un-knowing contains and creates the known, > > which > > > > ever > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > outside the > > > > > > > > > > > > > within yet within the outside of > > > > the 'understanding' as > > > > > > > > > > identity. > > > > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > > a bugger to try and put in words...and besides, > > > > > > there 'is' > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > one to > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget forgetting and ... 'be'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no mind...no confusion...no problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all is yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to whom are you talking to....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's asking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b(who's not) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...strange things happen when the dialogue becomes a > > > > > > > > monologue..... > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > visa versa... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .....like love and peace in the here and now;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's all monophonic monologue, but 'it's' playing > > > > in 'Suround > > > > > > > > Sound' > > > > > > > > > with a cast of thousands!. and even if you hear ten > > thousand > > > > > > > > > voices..the soma bio-unit eardrum 'skin' hears only one > > > > sound > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > filtered and deciphered into many..by whom and why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by nobody..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no reason why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who says so and why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yourSelf say so.... > > > > > > because it can't say anything else concerning such questions > > > > > > > > > > > > but...if " you " want..... > > > > > > > > > > > > you can imagine whatever answers.......which will cause other > > > > > > questions....again and again.... > > > > > > > > > > > > up to " you " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't care > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > My whiskers and my eyebrows Marc! you've got the same stance as > > the > > > > > High Indifference. but than neither you nor i, neither inner nor > > > > > outer, neither high nor low, neither.. thought or no-thought, > > > > > enlightened or en-darkened, one or many, real or imaginary...you > > > > > know(whoever you are)...whatever 'it' is or isn't,it has no > > > > feelings, > > > > > i.e. it 'doesn't care'. yet all and everything imagined or > > > > > experienced, known and unknown, believed or denied...all manner > > of > > > > > thing and entity, is closer to, and nestled in, the bosom of > > that > > > > Love > > > > > which is not love but is the Real...closer than they are to > > what > > > > they > > > > > imagine themselves and the world to be. the close for which > > there is > > > > > no closer. and nothing is real. no questioned asked nor asked > > for. > > > > and > > > > > it's all " nowhy " , because at one and at once, 'why' no longer > > > > applies > > > > > as it never ever did nor will. when the light lights the > > darkness, > > > > it > > > > > is now not that the darkness is covered by the light, nor that > > the > > > > > darkness has gone...the dark never was. when your smilin', keep > > on > > > > > smilin'. > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds good... > > > > > > > > great music... > > > > > > > > > > > > all smiles in the world....are of One smile.... > > > > which don't belong to anybody or to special someones... > > > > > > > > just like the light... > > > > > > > > or the tree....the sky...the apple....the sun....the nuclear > > power > > > > station....the criminal....the saint... > > > > > > > > all are fabuloes thoughts.....of One mind... > > > > > > > > when One smile ....is based on One mind.... > > > > > > > > it keep on smiling....because it has smiled since infinite > > times... > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: lot of words.....to describe the liberation of thoughts.... > > > > which all have no real meaning.... > > > > except to keep on looking to the never ending...One smile > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know, Marc, that there are people who dedicate their whole lives > > > to taking that smile off of the face of their victims. There are > > > professional torturers representing multibillion dollar > > institutions, > > > not to mention governments, with all the latest technology, > > > specializing in the destruction of the mind and the will to live. > > > > yes...i know... > > > > why being attached to such people....? > > > > free up your mind.... > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > I'm not suggesting that anyone be attached to anything. In fact, I'm > suggesting the opposite. I'm saying that you might NOT want to be > attached to " keep on looking to the never ending...One smile " because > you can easily lose that, as well. > > One can be attached to non-attachment every bit as much as to > attachment. To love & peace, every bit as much as to hate & war. > 'You' are not attached.......'You' are attachment. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody, ever, got " liberation " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because " liberation " * is All there Is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * or " enlightenment " ....whatever... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some " experiences " of " enlightenment " ...i > > > > > > > > > think....cause > > > > > > > > > > > > > endless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems in some confused minds.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but still there is > > > > > > > time....infinity/eternity....to > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > illusions too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but why not realise truth....here and > > > now...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's to realise? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to realise the dream of....whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is 'whatever'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's to realise? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dreaming entity realise the end of the > > > dream > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what 'dreaming entity'? surely not the > > > > > bushmeat 'body' > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > dancing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quantum cypers, mathematical elements that when > > > > > added > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > number yields the same number. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'now' as opposed to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > opposed to 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', last > > > life, > > > > > next > > > > > > > > > > > life, ...or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever fictions of mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even the 'mind' that 'fictions', is fiction. > > > the > > > > > > > examples > > > > > > > > > > > given for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that which opposes 'now'.. > > > > > ( 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > life, next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, ...or...) are synonyms for, and not > > > different > > > > > > > than or > > > > > > > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of 'now'. all lay within, by, through, and > > > as 'now'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'unrealised? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....the fiction of 'unrealised' too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the unrealised is neither 'fact' nor 'fiction'. > > > and > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > no one > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no, thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's 'mind' speaking. forget that, and forget > > > > > that > > > > > > > you've > > > > > > > > > > > > > forgotten. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > un-knowing contains and creates the known, > > > which > > > > > ever > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > outside the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > within yet within the outside of > > > > > the 'understanding' as > > > > > > > > > > > identity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a bugger to try and put in words...and besides, > > > > > > > there 'is' > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > one to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget forgetting and ... 'be'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no mind...no confusion...no problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all is yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to whom are you talking to....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's asking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b(who's not) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...strange things happen when the dialogue becomes a > > > > > > > > > monologue..... > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > visa versa... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .....like love and peace in the here and now;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's all monophonic monologue, but 'it's' playing > > > > > in 'Suround > > > > > > > > > Sound' > > > > > > > > > > with a cast of thousands!. and even if you hear ten > > > thousand > > > > > > > > > > voices..the soma bio-unit eardrum 'skin' hears only one > > > > > sound > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > filtered and deciphered into many..by whom and why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by nobody..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no reason why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who says so and why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yourSelf say so.... > > > > > > > because it can't say anything else concerning such questions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but...if " you " want..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can imagine whatever answers.......which will cause other > > > > > > > questions....again and again.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up to " you " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't care > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > My whiskers and my eyebrows Marc! you've got the same stance as > > > the > > > > > > High Indifference. but than neither you nor i, neither inner nor > > > > > > outer, neither high nor low, neither.. thought or no- thought, > > > > > > enlightened or en-darkened, one or many, real or imaginary...you > > > > > > know(whoever you are)...whatever 'it' is or isn't,it has no > > > > > feelings, > > > > > > i.e. it 'doesn't care'. yet all and everything imagined or > > > > > > experienced, known and unknown, believed or denied...all manner > > > of > > > > > > thing and entity, is closer to, and nestled in, the bosom of > > > that > > > > > Love > > > > > > which is not love but is the Real...closer than they are to > > > what > > > > > they > > > > > > imagine themselves and the world to be. the close for which > > > there is > > > > > > no closer. and nothing is real. no questioned asked nor asked > > > for. > > > > > and > > > > > > it's all " nowhy " , because at one and at once, 'why' no longer > > > > > applies > > > > > > as it never ever did nor will. when the light lights the > > > darkness, > > > > > it > > > > > > is now not that the darkness is covered by the light, nor that > > > the > > > > > > darkness has gone...the dark never was. when your smilin', keep > > > on > > > > > > smilin'. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds good... > > > > > > > > > > great music... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all smiles in the world....are of One smile.... > > > > > which don't belong to anybody or to special someones... > > > > > > > > > > just like the light... > > > > > > > > > > or the tree....the sky...the apple....the sun....the nuclear > > > power > > > > > station....the criminal....the saint... > > > > > > > > > > all are fabuloes thoughts.....of One mind... > > > > > > > > > > when One smile ....is based on One mind.... > > > > > > > > > > it keep on smiling....because it has smiled since infinite > > > times... > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: lot of words.....to describe the liberation of thoughts.... > > > > > which all have no real meaning.... > > > > > except to keep on looking to the never ending...One smile > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know, Marc, that there are people who dedicate their whole lives > > > > to taking that smile off of the face of their victims. There are > > > > professional torturers representing multibillion dollar > > > institutions, > > > > not to mention governments, with all the latest technology, > > > > specializing in the destruction of the mind and the will to live. > > > > > > yes...i know... > > > > > > why being attached to such people....? > > > > > > free up your mind.... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not suggesting that anyone be attached to anything. In fact, I'm > > suggesting the opposite. I'm saying that you might NOT want to be > > attached to " keep on looking to the never ending...One smile " because > > you can easily lose that, as well. > > > > One can be attached to non-attachment every bit as much as to > > attachment. To love & peace, every bit as much as to hate & war. > > > > > > > 'You' are not attached.......'You' are attachment. > > > > toombaru yes....that's it....in clear words Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody, ever, got " liberation " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because " liberation " * is All there > Is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * or " enlightenment " ....whatever... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some " experiences " > of " enlightenment " ...i > > > > > > > > > > think....cause > > > > > > > > > > > > > > endless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems in some confused minds.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but still there is > > > > > > > > time....infinity/eternity....to > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > illusions too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but why not realise truth....here > and > > > > now...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's to realise? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to realise the dream of....whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is 'whatever'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's to realise? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dreaming entity realise the end of > the > > > > dream > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what 'dreaming entity'? surely not the > > > > > > bushmeat 'body' > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > dancing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quantum cypers, mathematical elements > that when > > > > > > added > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > number yields the same number. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'now' as opposed to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > opposed to 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', > last > > > > life, > > > > > > next > > > > > > > > > > > > life, ...or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever fictions of mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even the 'mind' that 'fictions', is > fiction. > > > > the > > > > > > > > examples > > > > > > > > > > > > given for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that which opposes 'now'.. > > > > > > ( 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > life, next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, ...or...) are synonyms for, and not > > > > different > > > > > > > > than or > > > > > > > > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of 'now'. all lay within, by, through, > and > > > > as 'now'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'unrealised? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....the fiction of 'unrealised' too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the unrealised is neither 'fact' > nor 'fiction'. > > > > and > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > no one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no, thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's 'mind' speaking. forget that, and > forget > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > you've > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forgotten. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > un-knowing contains and creates the > known, > > > > which > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > outside the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > within yet within the outside of > > > > > > the 'understanding' as > > > > > > > > > > > > identity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a bugger to try and put in words...and > besides, > > > > > > > > there 'is' > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > one to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget forgetting and ... 'be'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no mind...no confusion...no problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all is yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to whom are you talking to....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's asking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b(who's not) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...strange things happen when the dialogue > becomes a > > > > > > > > > > monologue..... > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > visa versa... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .....like love and peace in the here and now;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's all monophonic monologue, but 'it's' > playing > > > > > > in 'Suround > > > > > > > > > > Sound' > > > > > > > > > > > with a cast of thousands!. and even if you hear > ten > > > > thousand > > > > > > > > > > > voices..the soma bio-unit eardrum 'skin' hears > only one > > > > > > sound > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > filtered and deciphered into many..by whom and > why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by nobody..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no reason why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who says so and why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yourSelf say so.... > > > > > > > > because it can't say anything else concerning such > questions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but...if " you " want..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can imagine whatever answers.......which will cause > other > > > > > > > > questions....again and again.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up to " you " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't care > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My whiskers and my eyebrows Marc! you've got the same > stance as > > > > the > > > > > > > High Indifference. but than neither you nor i, neither > inner nor > > > > > > > outer, neither high nor low, neither.. thought or no- > thought, > > > > > > > enlightened or en-darkened, one or many, real or > imaginary...you > > > > > > > know(whoever you are)...whatever 'it' is or isn't,it has > no > > > > > > feelings, > > > > > > > i.e. it 'doesn't care'. yet all and everything imagined or > > > > > > > experienced, known and unknown, believed or denied...all > manner > > > > of > > > > > > > thing and entity, is closer to, and nestled in, the bosom > of > > > > that > > > > > > Love > > > > > > > which is not love but is the Real...closer than they are > to > > > > what > > > > > > they > > > > > > > imagine themselves and the world to be. the close for > which > > > > there is > > > > > > > no closer. and nothing is real. no questioned asked nor > asked > > > > for. > > > > > > and > > > > > > > it's all " nowhy " , because at one and at once, 'why' no > longer > > > > > > applies > > > > > > > as it never ever did nor will. when the light lights the > > > > darkness, > > > > > > it > > > > > > > is now not that the darkness is covered by the light, nor > that > > > > the > > > > > > > darkness has gone...the dark never was. when your > smilin', keep > > > > on > > > > > > > smilin'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds good... > > > > > > > > > > > > great music... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all smiles in the world....are of One smile.... > > > > > > which don't belong to anybody or to special someones... > > > > > > > > > > > > just like the light... > > > > > > > > > > > > or the tree....the sky...the apple....the sun....the > nuclear > > > > power > > > > > > station....the criminal....the saint... > > > > > > > > > > > > all are fabuloes thoughts.....of One mind... > > > > > > > > > > > > when One smile ....is based on One mind.... > > > > > > > > > > > > it keep on smiling....because it has smiled since infinite > > > > times... > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: lot of words.....to describe the liberation of > thoughts.... > > > > > > which all have no real meaning.... > > > > > > except to keep on looking to the never ending...One smile > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know, Marc, that there are people who dedicate their > whole lives > > > > > to taking that smile off of the face of their victims. There > are > > > > > professional torturers representing multibillion dollar > > > > institutions, > > > > > not to mention governments, with all the latest technology, > > > > > specializing in the destruction of the mind and the will to > live. > > > > > > > > yes...i know... > > > > > > > > why being attached to such people....? > > > > > > > > free up your mind.... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not suggesting that anyone be attached to anything. In fact, > I'm > > > suggesting the opposite. I'm saying that you might NOT want to be > > > attached to " keep on looking to the never ending...One smile " > because > > > you can easily lose that, as well. > > > > > > One can be attached to non-attachment every bit as much as to > > > attachment. To love & peace, every bit as much as to hate & war. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'You' are not attached.......'You' are attachment. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > yes....that's it....in clear words > > Marc > all you, marc and toom, are doing is shifting the attachment/non-attachment from one signifier to another. i could just as easily shift it to from 'you' (identity) to 'it' (the generic) and back to some attribute, like torture. as long as there's language, there's attachment. silence, as it has been used, metaphorically, here, doesn't escape attachment/non-attachment. there is simply no way in or out, including this. there is only the keyboard, maybe. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > > > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody, ever, got " liberation " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because " liberation " * is All there > > Is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * or " enlightenment " ....whatever... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some " experiences " > > of " enlightenment " ...i > > > > > > > > > > > think....cause > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > endless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems in some confused minds.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but still there is > > > > > > > > > time....infinity/eternity....to > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > illusions too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but why not realise truth....here > > and > > > > > now...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's to realise? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to realise the dream of....whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is 'whatever'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's to realise? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dreaming entity realise the end of > > the > > > > > dream > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what 'dreaming entity'? surely not the > > > > > > > bushmeat 'body' > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > dancing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quantum cypers, mathematical elements > > that when > > > > > > > added > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > number yields the same number. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'now' as opposed to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > opposed to 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', > > last > > > > > life, > > > > > > > next > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, ...or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever fictions of mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even the 'mind' that 'fictions', is > > fiction. > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > examples > > > > > > > > > > > > > given for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that which opposes 'now'.. > > > > > > > ( 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, ...or...) are synonyms for, and not > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > than or > > > > > > > > > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of 'now'. all lay within, by, through, > > and > > > > > as 'now'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'unrealised? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....the fiction of 'unrealised' too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the unrealised is neither 'fact' > > nor 'fiction'. > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > no one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no, thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's 'mind' speaking. forget that, and > > forget > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > you've > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forgotten. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > un-knowing contains and creates the > > known, > > > > > which > > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > outside the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > within yet within the outside of > > > > > > > the 'understanding' as > > > > > > > > > > > > > identity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a bugger to try and put in words...and > > besides, > > > > > > > > > there 'is' > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > one to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget forgetting and ... 'be'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no mind...no confusion...no problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all is yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to whom are you talking to....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's asking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b(who's not) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...strange things happen when the dialogue > > becomes a > > > > > > > > > > > monologue..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > visa versa... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .....like love and peace in the here and now;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's all monophonic monologue, but 'it's' > > playing > > > > > > > in 'Suround > > > > > > > > > > > Sound' > > > > > > > > > > > > with a cast of thousands!. and even if you hear > > ten > > > > > thousand > > > > > > > > > > > > voices..the soma bio-unit eardrum 'skin' hears > > only one > > > > > > > sound > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > filtered and deciphered into many..by whom and > > why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by nobody..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no reason why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who says so and why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yourSelf say so.... > > > > > > > > > because it can't say anything else concerning such > > questions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but...if " you " want..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can imagine whatever answers.......which will cause > > other > > > > > > > > > questions....again and again.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up to " you " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't care > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My whiskers and my eyebrows Marc! you've got the same > > stance as > > > > > the > > > > > > > > High Indifference. but than neither you nor i, neither > > inner nor > > > > > > > > outer, neither high nor low, neither.. thought or no- > > thought, > > > > > > > > enlightened or en-darkened, one or many, real or > > imaginary...you > > > > > > > > know(whoever you are)...whatever 'it' is or isn't,it has > > no > > > > > > > feelings, > > > > > > > > i.e. it 'doesn't care'. yet all and everything imagined or > > > > > > > > experienced, known and unknown, believed or denied...all > > manner > > > > > of > > > > > > > > thing and entity, is closer to, and nestled in, the bosom > > of > > > > > that > > > > > > > Love > > > > > > > > which is not love but is the Real...closer than they are > > to > > > > > what > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > imagine themselves and the world to be. the close for > > which > > > > > there is > > > > > > > > no closer. and nothing is real. no questioned asked nor > > asked > > > > > for. > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > it's all " nowhy " , because at one and at once, 'why' no > > longer > > > > > > > applies > > > > > > > > as it never ever did nor will. when the light lights the > > > > > darkness, > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is now not that the darkness is covered by the light, nor > > that > > > > > the > > > > > > > > darkness has gone...the dark never was. when your > > smilin', keep > > > > > on > > > > > > > > smilin'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds good... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great music... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all smiles in the world....are of One smile.... > > > > > > > which don't belong to anybody or to special someones... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just like the light... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or the tree....the sky...the apple....the sun....the > > nuclear > > > > > power > > > > > > > station....the criminal....the saint... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all are fabuloes thoughts.....of One mind... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when One smile ....is based on One mind.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it keep on smiling....because it has smiled since infinite > > > > > times... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: lot of words.....to describe the liberation of > > thoughts.... > > > > > > > which all have no real meaning.... > > > > > > > except to keep on looking to the never ending...One smile > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know, Marc, that there are people who dedicate their > > whole lives > > > > > > to taking that smile off of the face of their victims. There > > are > > > > > > professional torturers representing multibillion dollar > > > > > institutions, > > > > > > not to mention governments, with all the latest technology, > > > > > > specializing in the destruction of the mind and the will to > > live. > > > > > > > > > > yes...i know... > > > > > > > > > > why being attached to such people....? > > > > > > > > > > free up your mind.... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not suggesting that anyone be attached to anything. In fact, > > I'm > > > > suggesting the opposite. I'm saying that you might NOT want to be > > > > attached to " keep on looking to the never ending...One smile " > > because > > > > you can easily lose that, as well. > > > > > > > > One can be attached to non-attachment every bit as much as to > > > > attachment. To love & peace, every bit as much as to hate & war. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'You' are not attached.......'You' are attachment. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > yes....that's it....in clear words > > > > Marc > all you, marc and toom, are doing is shifting the > attachment/non-attachment from one signifier to another. i could just > as easily shift it to from 'you' (identity) to 'it' (the generic) and > back to some attribute, like torture. > > as long as there's language, there's attachment. silence, as it has > been used, metaphorically, here, doesn't escape attachment/non- attachment. > > there is simply no way in or out, including this. > > there is only the keyboard, maybe. > > ....i suggest you to through your keyboard out of the window.... i mean....inclusive your poem fanatism.... let's see what will happen... Marc Ps: the day that my computer don't work.... will be just a day...like all others.... don't worry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > <skywords@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > > > > > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody, ever, > > got " liberation " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because " liberation " * is All > > there > > > > Is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > or " enlightenment " ....whatever... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some " experiences " > > > > of " enlightenment " ...i > > > > > > > > > > > > > think....cause > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > endless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems in some confused > > minds.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but still there is > > > > > > > > > > > time....infinity/eternity....to > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > illusions too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but why not realise > > truth....here > > > > and > > > > > > > now...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's to realise? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to realise the dream of....whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is 'whatever'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's to realise? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dreaming entity realise the end > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > dream > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what 'dreaming entity'? surely not > > the > > > > > > > > > bushmeat 'body' > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dancing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quantum cypers, mathematical elements > > > > that when > > > > > > > > > added > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > number yields the same number. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'now' as opposed to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > opposed to 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', > > > > last > > > > > > > life, > > > > > > > > > next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, ...or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever fictions of mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even the 'mind' that 'fictions', is > > > > fiction. > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > examples > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that which opposes 'now'.. > > > > > > > > > ( 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, ...or...) are synonyms for, and > > not > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > than or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of 'now'. all lay within, by, > > through, > > > > and > > > > > > > as 'now'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'unrealised? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....the fiction of 'unrealised' > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the unrealised is neither 'fact' > > > > nor 'fiction'. > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no, thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's 'mind' speaking. forget that, > > and > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > you've > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forgotten. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > un-knowing contains and creates the > > > > known, > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > outside the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > within yet within the outside of > > > > > > > > > the 'understanding' as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > identity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a bugger to try and put in > > words...and > > > > besides, > > > > > > > > > > > there 'is' > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget forgetting and ... 'be'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no mind...no confusion...no > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all is yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to whom are you talking to....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's asking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b(who's not) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...strange things happen when the dialogue > > > > becomes a > > > > > > > > > > > > > monologue..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > visa versa... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .....like love and peace in the here and > > now;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's all monophonic monologue, but 'it's' > > > > playing > > > > > > > > > in 'Suround > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sound' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with a cast of thousands!. and even if you > > hear > > > > ten > > > > > > > thousand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voices..the soma bio-unit eardrum 'skin' > > hears > > > > only one > > > > > > > > > sound > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > filtered and deciphered into many..by whom > > and > > > > why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by nobody..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no reason why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who says so and why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yourSelf say so.... > > > > > > > > > > > because it can't say anything else concerning such > > > > questions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but...if " you " want..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can imagine whatever answers.......which will > > cause > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > questions....again and again.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up to " you " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't care > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My whiskers and my eyebrows Marc! you've got the same > > > > stance as > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > High Indifference. but than neither you nor i, > > neither > > > > inner nor > > > > > > > > > > outer, neither high nor low, neither.. thought or no- > > > > thought, > > > > > > > > > > enlightened or en-darkened, one or many, real or > > > > imaginary...you > > > > > > > > > > know(whoever you are)...whatever 'it' is or isn't,it > > has > > > > no > > > > > > > > > feelings, > > > > > > > > > > i.e. it 'doesn't care'. yet all and everything > > imagined or > > > > > > > > > > experienced, known and unknown, believed or > > denied...all > > > > manner > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > thing and entity, is closer to, and nestled in, the > > bosom > > > > of > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > Love > > > > > > > > > > which is not love but is the Real...closer than they > > are > > > > to > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > imagine themselves and the world to be. the close for > > > > which > > > > > > > there is > > > > > > > > > > no closer. and nothing is real. no questioned asked > > nor > > > > asked > > > > > > > for. > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > it's all " nowhy " , because at one and at once, 'why' > > no > > > > longer > > > > > > > > > applies > > > > > > > > > > as it never ever did nor will. when the light lights > > the > > > > > > > darkness, > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > is now not that the darkness is covered by the light, > > nor > > > > that > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > darkness has gone...the dark never was. when your > > > > smilin', keep > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > smilin'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds good... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great music... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all smiles in the world....are of One smile.... > > > > > > > > > which don't belong to anybody or to special someones... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just like the light... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or the tree....the sky...the apple....the sun....the > > > > nuclear > > > > > > > power > > > > > > > > > station....the criminal....the saint... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all are fabuloes thoughts.....of One mind... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when One smile ....is based on One mind.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it keep on smiling....because it has smiled since > > infinite > > > > > > > times... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: lot of words.....to describe the liberation of > > > > thoughts.... > > > > > > > > > which all have no real meaning.... > > > > > > > > > except to keep on looking to the never ending...One > > smile > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know, Marc, that there are people who dedicate their > > > > whole lives > > > > > > > > to taking that smile off of the face of their victims. > > There > > > > are > > > > > > > > professional torturers representing multibillion dollar > > > > > > > institutions, > > > > > > > > not to mention governments, with all the latest > > technology, > > > > > > > > specializing in the destruction of the mind and the will > > to > > > > live. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes...i know... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why being attached to such people....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > free up your mind.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not suggesting that anyone be attached to anything. In > > fact, > > > > I'm > > > > > > suggesting the opposite. I'm saying that you might NOT want > > to be > > > > > > attached to " keep on looking to the never ending...One smile " > > > > because > > > > > > you can easily lose that, as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > One can be attached to non-attachment every bit as much as to > > > > > > attachment. To love & peace, every bit as much as to hate & war. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'You' are not attached.......'You' are attachment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....that's it....in clear words > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all you, marc and toom, are doing is shifting the > > > attachment/non-attachment from one signifier to another. i could > > just > > > as easily shift it to from 'you' (identity) to 'it' (the generic) > > and > > > back to some attribute, like torture. > > > > > > as long as there's language, there's attachment. silence, as it has > > > been used, metaphorically, here, doesn't escape attachment/non- > > attachment. > > > > > > there is simply no way in or out, including this. > > > > > > there is only the keyboard, maybe. > > > > > > > > > > > > ...i suggest you to through your keyboard out of the window.... > > > > i mean....inclusive your poem fanatism.... > > > > let's see what will happen... > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: the day that my computer don't work.... > > will be just a day...like all others.... > > don't worry > > > > > > well, marc my word!, how frivolous caN we get? yes, so called > 'enlightenment,' or whatever marc thinks he has to offer, is just > committed frivolity. bob's a chemically powered master at it. > > yes, & i must say, i, too, believe in frivolity as somehow ultimately > the answer. or the question. or something in between. > > actually i believe all truth to last at most approximately 15 minutes. > > irrespective, whether love or hate, war or peace. > > in sleet or snow, rain or shine, wind or calm: > > 15 min. > Ps: marc, it's spelled " throw " (and I complain about toom's spelling!) wish a peaceful day....however Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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