Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > > > > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody, ever, > got " liberation " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because " liberation " * is All > there > > > Is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * > or " enlightenment " ....whatever... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some " experiences " > > > of " enlightenment " ...i > > > > > > > > > > > > think....cause > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > endless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems in some confused > minds.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but still there is > > > > > > > > > > time....infinity/eternity....to > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > illusions too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but why not realise > truth....here > > > and > > > > > > now...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's to realise? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to realise the dream of....whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is 'whatever'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's to realise? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dreaming entity realise the end > of > > > the > > > > > > dream > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what 'dreaming entity'? surely not > the > > > > > > > > bushmeat 'body' > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dancing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quantum cypers, mathematical elements > > > that when > > > > > > > > added > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > number yields the same number. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'now' as opposed to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > opposed to 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', > > > last > > > > > > life, > > > > > > > > next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, ...or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever fictions of mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even the 'mind' that 'fictions', is > > > fiction. > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > examples > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that which opposes 'now'.. > > > > > > > > ( 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, ...or...) are synonyms for, and > not > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > than or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of 'now'. all lay within, by, > through, > > > and > > > > > > as 'now'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'unrealised? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....the fiction of 'unrealised' > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the unrealised is neither 'fact' > > > nor 'fiction'. > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no, thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's 'mind' speaking. forget that, > and > > > forget > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > you've > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forgotten. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > un-knowing contains and creates the > > > known, > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > outside the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > within yet within the outside of > > > > > > > > the 'understanding' as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > identity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a bugger to try and put in > words...and > > > besides, > > > > > > > > > > there 'is' > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget forgetting and ... 'be'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no mind...no confusion...no > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all is yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to whom are you talking to....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's asking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b(who's not) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...strange things happen when the dialogue > > > becomes a > > > > > > > > > > > > monologue..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > visa versa... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .....like love and peace in the here and > now;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's all monophonic monologue, but 'it's' > > > playing > > > > > > > > in 'Suround > > > > > > > > > > > > Sound' > > > > > > > > > > > > > with a cast of thousands!. and even if you > hear > > > ten > > > > > > thousand > > > > > > > > > > > > > voices..the soma bio-unit eardrum 'skin' > hears > > > only one > > > > > > > > sound > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > filtered and deciphered into many..by whom > and > > > why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by nobody..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no reason why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who says so and why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yourSelf say so.... > > > > > > > > > > because it can't say anything else concerning such > > > questions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but...if " you " want..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can imagine whatever answers.......which will > cause > > > other > > > > > > > > > > questions....again and again.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up to " you " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't care > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My whiskers and my eyebrows Marc! you've got the same > > > stance as > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > High Indifference. but than neither you nor i, > neither > > > inner nor > > > > > > > > > outer, neither high nor low, neither.. thought or no- > > > thought, > > > > > > > > > enlightened or en-darkened, one or many, real or > > > imaginary...you > > > > > > > > > know(whoever you are)...whatever 'it' is or isn't,it > has > > > no > > > > > > > > feelings, > > > > > > > > > i.e. it 'doesn't care'. yet all and everything > imagined or > > > > > > > > > experienced, known and unknown, believed or > denied...all > > > manner > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > thing and entity, is closer to, and nestled in, the > bosom > > > of > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > Love > > > > > > > > > which is not love but is the Real...closer than they > are > > > to > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > imagine themselves and the world to be. the close for > > > which > > > > > > there is > > > > > > > > > no closer. and nothing is real. no questioned asked > nor > > > asked > > > > > > for. > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > it's all " nowhy " , because at one and at once, 'why' > no > > > longer > > > > > > > > applies > > > > > > > > > as it never ever did nor will. when the light lights > the > > > > > > darkness, > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > is now not that the darkness is covered by the light, > nor > > > that > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > darkness has gone...the dark never was. when your > > > smilin', keep > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > smilin'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds good... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great music... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all smiles in the world....are of One smile.... > > > > > > > > which don't belong to anybody or to special someones... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just like the light... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or the tree....the sky...the apple....the sun....the > > > nuclear > > > > > > power > > > > > > > > station....the criminal....the saint... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all are fabuloes thoughts.....of One mind... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when One smile ....is based on One mind.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it keep on smiling....because it has smiled since > infinite > > > > > > times... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: lot of words.....to describe the liberation of > > > thoughts.... > > > > > > > > which all have no real meaning.... > > > > > > > > except to keep on looking to the never ending...One > smile > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know, Marc, that there are people who dedicate their > > > whole lives > > > > > > > to taking that smile off of the face of their victims. > There > > > are > > > > > > > professional torturers representing multibillion dollar > > > > > > institutions, > > > > > > > not to mention governments, with all the latest > technology, > > > > > > > specializing in the destruction of the mind and the will > to > > > live. > > > > > > > > > > > > yes...i know... > > > > > > > > > > > > why being attached to such people....? > > > > > > > > > > > > free up your mind.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not suggesting that anyone be attached to anything. In > fact, > > > I'm > > > > > suggesting the opposite. I'm saying that you might NOT want > to be > > > > > attached to " keep on looking to the never ending...One smile " > > > because > > > > > you can easily lose that, as well. > > > > > > > > > > One can be attached to non-attachment every bit as much as to > > > > > attachment. To love & peace, every bit as much as to hate & war. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'You' are not attached.......'You' are attachment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > yes....that's it....in clear words > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all you, marc and toom, are doing is shifting the > > attachment/non-attachment from one signifier to another. i could > just > > as easily shift it to from 'you' (identity) to 'it' (the generic) > and > > back to some attribute, like torture. > > > > as long as there's language, there's attachment. silence, as it has > > been used, metaphorically, here, doesn't escape attachment/non- > attachment. > > > > there is simply no way in or out, including this. > > > > there is only the keyboard, maybe. > > > > > > > ...i suggest you to through your keyboard out of the window.... > > i mean....inclusive your poem fanatism.... > > let's see what will happen... > > Marc > > > Ps: the day that my computer don't work.... > will be just a day...like all others.... > don't worry > well, marc my word!, how frivolous caN we get? yes, so called 'enlightenment,' or whatever marc thinks he has to offer, is just committed frivolity. bob's a chemically powered master at it. yes, & i must say, i, too, believe in frivolity as somehow ultimately the answer. or the question. or something in between. actually i believe all truth to last at most approximately 15 minutes. irrespective, whether love or hate, war or peace. in sleet or snow, rain or shine, wind or calm: 15 min. 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Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > <skywords@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > > > > > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody, ever, > > got " liberation " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because " liberation " * is All > > there > > > > Is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > or " enlightenment " ....whatever... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some " experiences " > > > > of " enlightenment " ...i > > > > > > > > > > > > > think....cause > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > endless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems in some confused > > minds.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but still there is > > > > > > > > > > > time....infinity/eternity....to > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > illusions too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but why not realise > > truth....here > > > > and > > > > > > > now...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's to realise? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to realise the dream of....whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is 'whatever'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's to realise? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dreaming entity realise the end > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > dream > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what 'dreaming entity'? surely not > > the > > > > > > > > > bushmeat 'body' > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dancing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quantum cypers, mathematical elements > > > > that when > > > > > > > > > added > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > number yields the same number. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'now' as opposed to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > opposed to 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', > > > > last > > > > > > > life, > > > > > > > > > next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, ...or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever fictions of mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even the 'mind' that 'fictions', is > > > > fiction. > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > examples > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that which opposes 'now'.. > > > > > > > > > ( 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, ...or...) are synonyms for, and > > not > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > than or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of 'now'. all lay within, by, > > through, > > > > and > > > > > > > as 'now'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'unrealised? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....the fiction of 'unrealised' > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the unrealised is neither 'fact' > > > > nor 'fiction'. > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no, thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's 'mind' speaking. forget that, > > and > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > you've > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forgotten. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > un-knowing contains and creates the > > > > known, > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > outside the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > within yet within the outside of > > > > > > > > > the 'understanding' as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > identity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a bugger to try and put in > > words...and > > > > besides, > > > > > > > > > > > there 'is' > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget forgetting and ... 'be'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no mind...no confusion...no > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all is yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to whom are you talking to....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's asking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b(who's not) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...strange things happen when the dialogue > > > > becomes a > > > > > > > > > > > > > monologue..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > visa versa... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .....like love and peace in the here and > > now;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's all monophonic monologue, but 'it's' > > > > playing > > > > > > > > > in 'Suround > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sound' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with a cast of thousands!. and even if you > > hear > > > > ten > > > > > > > thousand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voices..the soma bio-unit eardrum 'skin' > > hears > > > > only one > > > > > > > > > sound > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > filtered and deciphered into many..by whom > > and > > > > why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by nobody..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no reason why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who says so and why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yourSelf say so.... > > > > > > > > > > > because it can't say anything else concerning such > > > > questions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but...if " you " want..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can imagine whatever answers.......which will > > cause > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > questions....again and again.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up to " you " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't care > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My whiskers and my eyebrows Marc! you've got the same > > > > stance as > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > High Indifference. but than neither you nor i, > > neither > > > > inner nor > > > > > > > > > > outer, neither high nor low, neither.. thought or no- > > > > thought, > > > > > > > > > > enlightened or en-darkened, one or many, real or > > > > imaginary...you > > > > > > > > > > know(whoever you are)...whatever 'it' is or isn't,it > > has > > > > no > > > > > > > > > feelings, > > > > > > > > > > i.e. it 'doesn't care'. yet all and everything > > imagined or > > > > > > > > > > experienced, known and unknown, believed or > > denied...all > > > > manner > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > thing and entity, is closer to, and nestled in, the > > bosom > > > > of > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > Love > > > > > > > > > > which is not love but is the Real...closer than they > > are > > > > to > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > imagine themselves and the world to be. the close for > > > > which > > > > > > > there is > > > > > > > > > > no closer. and nothing is real. no questioned asked > > nor > > > > asked > > > > > > > for. > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > it's all " nowhy " , because at one and at once, 'why' > > no > > > > longer > > > > > > > > > applies > > > > > > > > > > as it never ever did nor will. when the light lights > > the > > > > > > > darkness, > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > is now not that the darkness is covered by the light, > > nor > > > > that > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > darkness has gone...the dark never was. when your > > > > smilin', keep > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > smilin'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds good... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great music... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all smiles in the world....are of One smile.... > > > > > > > > > which don't belong to anybody or to special someones... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just like the light... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or the tree....the sky...the apple....the sun....the > > > > nuclear > > > > > > > power > > > > > > > > > station....the criminal....the saint... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all are fabuloes thoughts.....of One mind... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when One smile ....is based on One mind.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it keep on smiling....because it has smiled since > > infinite > > > > > > > times... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: lot of words.....to describe the liberation of > > > > thoughts.... > > > > > > > > > which all have no real meaning.... > > > > > > > > > except to keep on looking to the never ending...One > > smile > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know, Marc, that there are people who dedicate their > > > > whole lives > > > > > > > > to taking that smile off of the face of their victims. > > There > > > > are > > > > > > > > professional torturers representing multibillion dollar > > > > > > > institutions, > > > > > > > > not to mention governments, with all the latest > > technology, > > > > > > > > specializing in the destruction of the mind and the will > > to > > > > live. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes...i know... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why being attached to such people....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > free up your mind.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not suggesting that anyone be attached to anything. In > > fact, > > > > I'm > > > > > > suggesting the opposite. I'm saying that you might NOT want > > to be > > > > > > attached to " keep on looking to the never ending...One smile " > > > > because > > > > > > you can easily lose that, as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > One can be attached to non-attachment every bit as much as to > > > > > > attachment. To love & peace, every bit as much as to hate & war. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'You' are not attached.......'You' are attachment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....that's it....in clear words > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all you, marc and toom, are doing is shifting the > > > attachment/non-attachment from one signifier to another. i could > > just > > > as easily shift it to from 'you' (identity) to 'it' (the generic) > > and > > > back to some attribute, like torture. > > > > > > as long as there's language, there's attachment. silence, as it has > > > been used, metaphorically, here, doesn't escape attachment/non- > > attachment. > > > > > > there is simply no way in or out, including this. > > > > > > there is only the keyboard, maybe. > > > > > > > > > > > > ...i suggest you to through your keyboard out of the window.... > > > > i mean....inclusive your poem fanatism.... > > > > let's see what will happen... > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: the day that my computer don't work.... > > will be just a day...like all others.... > > don't worry > > > > > > well, marc my word!, how frivolous caN we get? yes, so called > 'enlightenment,' or whatever marc thinks he has to offer, is just > committed frivolity. bob's a chemically powered master at it. > > yes, & i must say, i, too, believe in frivolity as somehow ultimately > the answer. or the question. or something in between. > > actually i believe all truth to last at most approximately 15 minutes. > > irrespective, whether love or hate, war or peace. > > in sleet or snow, rain or shine, wind or calm: > > 15 min. > Ps: marc, it's spelled " throw " (and I complain about toom's spelling!) > Sorry I can't help myself; it's the way my character is drawn;-) THE ENLIGHTENMENT OF CATS AND DOGS OR WHAT I LEARNED IN KINDERGARTEN PART DEUX Some folks like cats Some folks like dogs It is sometimes a process of elimination How cats hide their s*** And dogs like to p*** over anything Do you remember what your s*** looked Like as a young child, how you groaned and moaned and how it came out one loooooooong Turd, Now I may be absurd To talk about these words Just remember how busy you always were as a Little One How you barely made it to the bathroom, And now if your body is going downhill And you are losing your mind, Are alone in your Soul, Remember this wonderful process of elimination Enjoy both your 15-minte recess and success And failure to process Be nice to cats and dogs, before the final elimination.. 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Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <tuvalu66@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > <skywords@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > > > > > > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody, ever, > > > got " liberation " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because " liberation " * is > All > > > there > > > > > Is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > or " enlightenment " ....whatever... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some " experiences " > > > > > of " enlightenment " ...i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think....cause > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > endless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems in some confused > > > minds.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but still there is > > > > > > > > > > > > time....infinity/eternity....to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > illusions too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but why not realise > > > truth....here > > > > > and > > > > > > > > now...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's to realise? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to realise the dream > of....whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is 'whatever'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's to realise? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dreaming entity realise > the end > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > dream > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what 'dreaming entity'? surely > not > > > the > > > > > > > > > > bushmeat 'body' > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dancing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quantum cypers, mathematical > elements > > > > > that when > > > > > > > > > > added > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > number yields the same number. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'now' as opposed to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > opposed > to 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', > > > > > last > > > > > > > > life, > > > > > > > > > > next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, ...or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever fictions of mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even the 'mind' that 'fictions', > is > > > > > fiction. > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > examples > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that which opposes 'now'.. > > > > > > > > > > ( 'yesterday', 'tomorrow', > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, ...or...) are synonyms > for, and > > > not > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > > than or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of 'now'. all lay within, by, > > > through, > > > > > and > > > > > > > > as 'now'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'unrealised? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....the fiction > of 'unrealised' > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the unrealised is neither 'fact' > > > > > nor 'fiction'. > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no, thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's 'mind' speaking. forget > that, > > > and > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > you've > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forgotten. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > un-knowing contains and creates > the > > > > > known, > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > outside the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > within yet within the outside of > > > > > > > > > > the 'understanding' as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > identity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a bugger to try and put in > > > words...and > > > > > besides, > > > > > > > > > > > > there 'is' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget forgetting and ... 'be'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no mind...no confusion...no > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all is yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to whom are you talking to....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's asking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b(who's not) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...strange things happen when the > dialogue > > > > > becomes a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > monologue..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > visa versa... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .....like love and peace in the here > and > > > now;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's all monophonic monologue, > but 'it's' > > > > > playing > > > > > > > > > > in 'Suround > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sound' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with a cast of thousands!. and even if > you > > > hear > > > > > ten > > > > > > > > thousand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voices..the soma bio-unit eardrum 'skin' > > > hears > > > > > only one > > > > > > > > > > sound > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > filtered and deciphered into many..by > whom > > > and > > > > > why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by nobody..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no reason why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who says so and why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yourSelf say so.... > > > > > > > > > > > > because it can't say anything else concerning > such > > > > > questions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but...if " you " want..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can imagine whatever answers.......which > will > > > cause > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > questions....again and again.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up to " you " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't care > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My whiskers and my eyebrows Marc! you've got the > same > > > > > stance as > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > High Indifference. but than neither you nor i, > > > neither > > > > > inner nor > > > > > > > > > > > outer, neither high nor low, neither.. thought > or no- > > > > > thought, > > > > > > > > > > > enlightened or en-darkened, one or many, real or > > > > > imaginary...you > > > > > > > > > > > know(whoever you are)...whatever 'it' is or > isn't,it > > > has > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > feelings, > > > > > > > > > > > i.e. it 'doesn't care'. yet all and everything > > > imagined or > > > > > > > > > > > experienced, known and unknown, believed or > > > denied...all > > > > > manner > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > thing and entity, is closer to, and nestled in, > the > > > bosom > > > > > of > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > Love > > > > > > > > > > > which is not love but is the Real...closer than > they > > > are > > > > > to > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > imagine themselves and the world to be. the > close for > > > > > which > > > > > > > > there is > > > > > > > > > > > no closer. and nothing is real. no questioned > asked > > > nor > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > for. > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > it's all " nowhy " , because at one and at > once, 'why' > > > no > > > > > longer > > > > > > > > > > applies > > > > > > > > > > > as it never ever did nor will. when the light > lights > > > the > > > > > > > > darkness, > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > is now not that the darkness is covered by the > light, > > > nor > > > > > that > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > darkness has gone...the dark never was. when > your > > > > > smilin', keep > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > smilin'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds good... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great music... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all smiles in the world....are of One smile.... > > > > > > > > > > which don't belong to anybody or to special > someones... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just like the light... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or the tree....the sky...the apple....the > sun....the > > > > > nuclear > > > > > > > > power > > > > > > > > > > station....the criminal....the saint... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all are fabuloes thoughts.....of One mind... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when One smile ....is based on One mind.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it keep on smiling....because it has smiled since > > > infinite > > > > > > > > times... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: lot of words.....to describe the liberation of > > > > > thoughts.... > > > > > > > > > > which all have no real meaning.... > > > > > > > > > > except to keep on looking to the never > ending...One > > > smile > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know, Marc, that there are people who dedicate > their > > > > > whole lives > > > > > > > > > to taking that smile off of the face of their > victims. > > > There > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > professional torturers representing multibillion > dollar > > > > > > > > institutions, > > > > > > > > > not to mention governments, with all the latest > > > technology, > > > > > > > > > specializing in the destruction of the mind and the > will > > > to > > > > > live. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes...i know... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why being attached to such people....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > free up your mind.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not suggesting that anyone be attached to anything. > In > > > fact, > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > suggesting the opposite. I'm saying that you might NOT > want > > > to be > > > > > > > attached to " keep on looking to the never ending...One > smile " > > > > > because > > > > > > > you can easily lose that, as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One can be attached to non-attachment every bit as much > as to > > > > > > > attachment. To love & peace, every bit as much as to > hate & war. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'You' are not attached.......'You' are attachment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....that's it....in clear words > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all you, marc and toom, are doing is shifting the > > > > attachment/non-attachment from one signifier to another. i > could > > > just > > > > as easily shift it to from 'you' (identity) to 'it' (the > generic) > > > and > > > > back to some attribute, like torture. > > > > > > > > as long as there's language, there's attachment. silence, as > it has > > > > been used, metaphorically, here, doesn't escape attachment/non- > > > attachment. > > > > > > > > there is simply no way in or out, including this. > > > > > > > > there is only the keyboard, maybe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...i suggest you to through your keyboard out of the window.... > > > > > > i mean....inclusive your poem fanatism.... > > > > > > let's see what will happen... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Ps: the day that my computer don't work.... > > > will be just a day...like all others.... > > > don't worry > > > > > > > > > > > well, marc my word!, how frivolous caN we get? yes, so called > > 'enlightenment,' or whatever marc thinks he has to offer, is just > > committed frivolity. bob's a chemically powered master at it. > > > > yes, & i must say, i, too, believe in frivolity as somehow > ultimately > > the answer. or the question. or something in between. > > > > actually i believe all truth to last at most approximately 15 > minutes. > > > > irrespective, whether love or hate, war or peace. > > > > in sleet or snow, rain or shine, wind or calm: > > > > 15 min. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: marc, it's spelled " throw " (and I complain about toom's > spelling!) > > > > > > Sorry I can't help myself; it's the way my character is drawn;-) > > > THE ENLIGHTENMENT OF CATS AND DOGS OR WHAT I LEARNED IN KINDERGARTEN > PART DEUX > > > Some folks like cats > Some folks like dogs > It is sometimes a process of elimination > How cats hide their s*** > And dogs like to p*** over anything > Do you remember what your s*** looked > Like as a young child, how you groaned > and moaned and how it came out one loooooooong > Turd, > Now I may be absurd > To talk about these words > Just remember how busy you always were as a > Little One > How you barely made it to the bathroom, > And now if your body is going downhill > And you are losing your mind, > Are alone in your Soul, > Remember this wonderful process of elimination > Enjoy both your 15-minte recess and success > And failure to process > Be nice to cats and dogs, > before the final elimination.. > NoOne wins this one. > > > > Wink. > from the initial inflationary burst of the big bang till the last and final whimper of the final black hole's vortex to neverland, the entire sclemozzle is one big flush. whoa does that ever feel good! .b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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