Guest guest Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 " Trust me, I'm telling the truth. " In other words, " Love me, I'm offering love. " But why should we trust you? You may think you know the truth, but you may not know the truth at all. After all, who are you? Who am I? to trust You? Now you'll say that you're so sure of your relationship to Truth, that you don't care whether I love you or not. So why do you post? You'll say, " because I do, I'm on autopilot, spoken to by the Muses. " And you trust the Muses? Does that mean we should? What is Trust? Isn't it a feeling of being " at home " with something so repetitive and reliable, so comforting and present, that we tend to identify with it, feel AT ONE with it? And you say, feel AT ONE with ALL of IT: It's NONDUAL! But you admit that there are those things that you DON'T feel AT HOME with AT ALL. But then you say that these things are negligible, relatively speaking, and that ULTIMATELY these " bad " things fall away or that ultimately we will all be dead, anyway, and it doesn't matter. And you keep repeating this, in the hope that it will itself make you feel permanently AT HOME with the world, with life, with the whole kit and caboodle. And sometimes it seems to work, and sometimes it doesn't. And when it doesn't, you just try harder, or try a new angle, or spend more time repeating: " There's no place like home, this place is home, I've always been at home, I'll always be at home. " So, Dorothy, let's all just keep following the Internet highway, off to seen the Wizard, the wonderful Wizard of Nis, because, because, because he Is... Not to sound a sour note. I'm just saying. What IS trust, really? And I won't accept any " you/I'll know it when you/I see it, " because I DON'T TRUST UNEXAMINED TRUST. " The unexamined life is not worth living, " and the unexamined truth is not worth trusting. " Unless ye be like children " : well, children, intelligent, bright children are VERY skeptical. Oh, yes we are... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > > > > > " Trust me, I'm telling the truth. " > > > In other words, > > " Love me, I'm offering love. " > > > But why should we trust you? > > You may think you know the truth, > > but you may not know the truth at all. > > > After all, who are you? > > Who am I? to trust You? > > > Now you'll say that you're so sure of your relationship to Truth, > > that you don't care whether I love you or not. > > > So why do you post? > > > You'll say, " because I do, I'm on autopilot, spoken to by the Muses. " > > And you trust the Muses? Does that mean we should? > > > What is Trust? > > > Isn't it a feeling of being " at home " with something so repetitive > > and reliable, so comforting and > > present, that we tend to identify with it, feel AT ONE with it? > > > And you say, feel AT ONE with ALL of IT: > > It's NONDUAL! > > > But you admit that there are those things that you DON'T feel > > AT HOME with AT ALL. But then you say > > that these things are negligible, relatively speaking, and that > > ULTIMATELY these " bad " things > > fall away or > > that ultimately we will all be dead, anyway, > > and it doesn't matter. > > > And you keep repeating this, in the hope that it will itself make > > you feel permanently AT HOME > > with the world, with life, with the whole kit and caboodle. > > > And sometimes it seems to work, and sometimes it doesn't. > > And when it doesn't, you just try > > harder, or try a new angle, or spend more time repeating: > > > " There's no place like home, this place is home, > > I've always been at home, I'll always be at home. " > > > > So, Dorothy, let's all just keep following the Internet highway, > > off to seen the Wizard, the > > wonderful Wizard of Nis, because, because, because he Is... > > > Not to sound a sour note. I'm just saying. > > > > What IS trust, really? > > > And I won't accept any " you/I'll know it > > when you/I see it, " because I DON'T > > TRUST UNEXAMINED TRUST. > > > " The unexamined life is not worth living, " > > and the unexamined truth is not worth trusting. > > > " Unless ye be like children " : > > > well, children, intelligent, bright children > > are VERY skeptical. > > > > Oh, yes we are... > TRUST NO ONE AND NOTHING EVER! what you know you know what anyone else knows is what anyone else knows. don't believe anything. when known...known what it is. don't trust this information. .b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > " Trust me, I'm telling the truth. " > > > > > > In other words, > > > > " Love me, I'm offering love. " > > > > > > But why should we trust you? > > > > You may think you know the truth, > > > > but you may not know the truth at all. > > > > > > After all, who are you? > > > > Who am I? to trust You? > > > > > > Now you'll say that you're so sure of your relationship to Truth, > > > > that you don't care whether I love you or not. > > > > > > So why do you post? > > > > > > You'll say, " because I do, I'm on autopilot, spoken to by the Muses. " > > > > And you trust the Muses? Does that mean we should? > > > > > > What is Trust? > > > > > > Isn't it a feeling of being " at home " with something so repetitive > > > > and reliable, so comforting and > > > > present, that we tend to identify with it, feel AT ONE with it? > > > > > > And you say, feel AT ONE with ALL of IT: > > > > It's NONDUAL! > > > > > > But you admit that there are those things that you DON'T feel > > > > AT HOME with AT ALL. But then you say > > > > that these things are negligible, relatively speaking, and that > > > > ULTIMATELY these " bad " things > > > > fall away or > > > > that ultimately we will all be dead, anyway, > > > > and it doesn't matter. > > > > > > And you keep repeating this, in the hope that it will itself make > > > > you feel permanently AT HOME > > > > with the world, with life, with the whole kit and caboodle. > > > > > > And sometimes it seems to work, and sometimes it doesn't. > > > > And when it doesn't, you just try > > > > harder, or try a new angle, or spend more time repeating: > > > > > > " There's no place like home, this place is home, > > > > I've always been at home, I'll always be at home. " > > > > > > > > So, Dorothy, let's all just keep following the Internet highway, > > > > off to seen the Wizard, the > > > > wonderful Wizard of Nis, because, because, because he Is... > > > > > > Not to sound a sour note. I'm just saying. > > > > > > > > What IS trust, really? > > > > > > And I won't accept any " you/I'll know it > > > > when you/I see it, " because I DON'T > > > > TRUST UNEXAMINED TRUST. > > > > > > " The unexamined life is not worth living, " > > > > and the unexamined truth is not worth trusting. > > > > > > " Unless ye be like children " : > > > > > > well, children, intelligent, bright children > > > > are VERY skeptical. > > > > > > > > Oh, yes we are... > > > > > > > > TRUST NO ONE AND NOTHING EVER! > > what you know you know > > what anyone else knows is what anyone else knows. > > don't believe anything. > > when known...known > > > what it is. > > > don't trust this information. > > .b > don't trust me when I say that. .b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Trust me, I'm telling the truth. " > > > > > > > > > In other words, > > > > > > " Love me, I'm offering love. " > > > > > > > > > But why should we trust you? > > > > > > You may think you know the truth, > > > > > > but you may not know the truth at all. > > > > > > > > > After all, who are you? > > > > > > Who am I? to trust You? > > > > > > > > > Now you'll say that you're so sure of your relationship to Truth, > > > > > > that you don't care whether I love you or not. > > > > > > > > > So why do you post? > > > > > > > > > You'll say, " because I do, I'm on autopilot, spoken to by the Muses. " > > > > > > And you trust the Muses? Does that mean we should? > > > > > > > > > What is Trust? > > > > > > > > > Isn't it a feeling of being " at home " with something so repetitive > > > > > > and reliable, so comforting and > > > > > > present, that we tend to identify with it, feel AT ONE with it? > > > > > > > > > And you say, feel AT ONE with ALL of IT: > > > > > > It's NONDUAL! > > > > > > > > > But you admit that there are those things that you DON'T feel > > > > > > AT HOME with AT ALL. But then you say > > > > > > that these things are negligible, relatively speaking, and that > > > > > > ULTIMATELY these " bad " things > > > > > > fall away or > > > > > > that ultimately we will all be dead, anyway, > > > > > > and it doesn't matter. > > > > > > > > > And you keep repeating this, in the hope that it will itself make > > > > > > you feel permanently AT HOME > > > > > > with the world, with life, with the whole kit and caboodle. > > > > > > > > > And sometimes it seems to work, and sometimes it doesn't. > > > > > > And when it doesn't, you just try > > > > > > harder, or try a new angle, or spend more time repeating: > > > > > > > > > " There's no place like home, this place is home, > > > > > > I've always been at home, I'll always be at home. " > > > > > > > > > > > > So, Dorothy, let's all just keep following the Internet highway, > > > > > > off to seen the Wizard, the > > > > > > wonderful Wizard of Nis, because, because, because he Is... > > > > > > > > > Not to sound a sour note. I'm just saying. > > > > > > > > > > > > What IS trust, really? > > > > > > > > > And I won't accept any " you/I'll know it > > > > > > when you/I see it, " because I DON'T > > > > > > TRUST UNEXAMINED TRUST. > > > > > > > > > " The unexamined life is not worth living, " > > > > > > and the unexamined truth is not worth trusting. > > > > > > > > > " Unless ye be like children " : > > > > > > > > > well, children, intelligent, bright children > > > > > > are VERY skeptical. > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, yes we are... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TRUST NO ONE AND NOTHING EVER! > > > > what you know you know > > > > what anyone else knows is what anyone else knows. > > > > don't believe anything. > > > > when known...known > > > > > > what it is. > > > > > > don't trust this information. > > > > .b > > > don't trust me when I say that. > > .b > i trust the above trusty old demonstration has entrusted to you a better understanding of 'what is trust'. i'm a believer...but 'it's' all up to 'you'. sorta seems trust, like love and joy and sorrow and sharing and privating and on and on...are all a little vapid if taken to the city limits. and it doesn't matter anyway. it is. .b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > " Trust me, I'm telling the truth. " > > > > > > In other words, > > > > " Love me, I'm offering love. " > > > > > > But why should we trust you? > > > > You may think you know the truth, > > > > but you may not know the truth at all. > > > > > > After all, who are you? > > > > Who am I? to trust You? > > > > > > Now you'll say that you're so sure of your relationship to Truth, > > > > that you don't care whether I love you or not. > > > > > > So why do you post? > > > > > > You'll say, " because I do, I'm on autopilot, spoken to by the Muses. " > > > > And you trust the Muses? Does that mean we should? > > > > > > What is Trust? > > > > > > Isn't it a feeling of being " at home " with something so repetitive > > > > and reliable, so comforting and > > > > present, that we tend to identify with it, feel AT ONE with it? > > > > > > And you say, feel AT ONE with ALL of IT: > > > > It's NONDUAL! > > > > > > But you admit that there are those things that you DON'T feel > > > > AT HOME with AT ALL. But then you say > > > > that these things are negligible, relatively speaking, and that > > > > ULTIMATELY these " bad " things > > > > fall away or > > > > that ultimately we will all be dead, anyway, > > > > and it doesn't matter. > > > > > > And you keep repeating this, in the hope that it will itself make > > > > you feel permanently AT HOME > > > > with the world, with life, with the whole kit and caboodle. > > > > > > And sometimes it seems to work, and sometimes it doesn't. > > > > And when it doesn't, you just try > > > > harder, or try a new angle, or spend more time repeating: > > > > > > " There's no place like home, this place is home, > > > > I've always been at home, I'll always be at home. " > > > > > > > > So, Dorothy, let's all just keep following the Internet highway, > > > > off to seen the Wizard, the > > > > wonderful Wizard of Nis, because, because, because he Is... > > > > > > Not to sound a sour note. I'm just saying. > > > > > > > > What IS trust, really? > > > > > > And I won't accept any " you/I'll know it > > > > when you/I see it, " because I DON'T > > > > TRUST UNEXAMINED TRUST. > > > > > > " The unexamined life is not worth living, " > > > > and the unexamined truth is not worth trusting. > > > > > > " Unless ye be like children " : > > > > > > well, children, intelligent, bright children > > > > are VERY skeptical. > > > > > > > > Oh, yes we are... > > > > > > > > TRUST NO ONE AND NOTHING EVER! > > what you know you know > > what anyone else knows is what anyone else knows. > > don't believe anything. > > when known...known > > > what it is. > > > don't trust this information. > > .b ....trust the heart.... the heart is at home.....everywhere......where " you " are....for real when you see yourself....within others..... when one start to see that all there Is...is oneSelf.... when there is realisation of oneSelf...within whatever " other " appearing " Selfs....And opposite... then there is a chance.....that the appearing " others " ....are the friends.....that the appearing " you " ....can trust in... friends are something realy rare....i mean, Real friends.... have fun Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Trust me, I'm telling the truth. " > > > > > > > > > In other words, > > > > > > " Love me, I'm offering love. " > > > > > > > > > But why should we trust you? > > > > > > You may think you know the truth, > > > > > > but you may not know the truth at all. > > > > > > > > > After all, who are you? > > > > > > Who am I? to trust You? > > > > > > > > > Now you'll say that you're so sure of your relationship to Truth, > > > > > > that you don't care whether I love you or not. > > > > > > > > > So why do you post? > > > > > > > > > You'll say, " because I do, I'm on autopilot, spoken to by the > Muses. " > > > > > > And you trust the Muses? Does that mean we should? > > > > > > > > > What is Trust? > > > > > > > > > Isn't it a feeling of being " at home " with something so > repetitive > > > > > > and reliable, so comforting and > > > > > > present, that we tend to identify with it, feel AT ONE with it? > > > > > > > > > And you say, feel AT ONE with ALL of IT: > > > > > > It's NONDUAL! > > > > > > > > > But you admit that there are those things that you DON'T feel > > > > > > AT HOME with AT ALL. But then you say > > > > > > that these things are negligible, relatively speaking, and that > > > > > > ULTIMATELY these " bad " things > > > > > > fall away or > > > > > > that ultimately we will all be dead, anyway, > > > > > > and it doesn't matter. > > > > > > > > > And you keep repeating this, in the hope that it will itself make > > > > > > you feel permanently AT HOME > > > > > > with the world, with life, with the whole kit and caboodle. > > > > > > > > > And sometimes it seems to work, and sometimes it doesn't. > > > > > > And when it doesn't, you just try > > > > > > harder, or try a new angle, or spend more time repeating: > > > > > > > > > " There's no place like home, this place is home, > > > > > > I've always been at home, I'll always be at home. " > > > > > > > > > > > > So, Dorothy, let's all just keep following the Internet highway, > > > > > > off to seen the Wizard, the > > > > > > wonderful Wizard of Nis, because, because, because he Is... > > > > > > > > > Not to sound a sour note. I'm just saying. > > > > > > > > > > > > What IS trust, really? > > > > > > > > > And I won't accept any " you/I'll know it > > > > > > when you/I see it, " because I DON'T > > > > > > TRUST UNEXAMINED TRUST. > > > > > > > > > " The unexamined life is not worth living, " > > > > > > and the unexamined truth is not worth trusting. > > > > > > > > > " Unless ye be like children " : > > > > > > > > > well, children, intelligent, bright children > > > > > > are VERY skeptical. > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, yes we are... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TRUST NO ONE AND NOTHING EVER! > > > > what you know you know > > > > what anyone else knows is what anyone else knows. > > > > don't believe anything. > > > > when known...known > > > > > > what it is. > > > > > > don't trust this information. > > > > .b > > > ...trust the heart.... > > the heart is at home.....everywhere......where " you " are....for real > > when you see yourself....within others..... > > when one start to see that all there Is...is oneSelf.... > > when there is realisation of oneSelf...within whatever " other " > appearing " Selfs....And opposite... > > then there is a chance.....that the appearing " others " ....are the > friends.....that the appearing " you " ....can trust in... > > friends are something realy rare....i mean, Real friends.... > > have fun > > > Marc > > > the heart is not always trustworthy: everyone should know that by now and all there is Is Not the Self: when it ISN'T friends come and go: you can't always depend on them, anyone who has friends knows this 'Real friends': Real Santa's? rely on luck? what choice is there? I'm just saying that there is something called " pap " -- google it. Marc, when do you know when you're offering something valuable as opposed to when you're just offering pap? And if you tell me that you don't make the distinction between pap and significant truth: " the unexamined life is not worth living. " If you haven't examined and tested your truths, then, they're most definitely, most likely: pap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > > > > > " Trust me, I'm telling the truth. " > > > In other words, > > " Love me, I'm offering love. " > > > But why should we trust you? > > You may think you know the truth, > > but you may not know the truth at all. > > > After all, who are you? > > Who am I? to trust You? > > > Now you'll say that you're so sure of your relationship to Truth, > > that you don't care whether I love you or not. > > > So why do you post? > > > You'll say, " because I do, I'm on autopilot, spoken to by the Muses. " > > And you trust the Muses? Does that mean we should? > > > What is Trust? > > > Isn't it a feeling of being " at home " with something so repetitive > > and reliable, so comforting and > > present, that we tend to identify with it, feel AT ONE with it? > > > And you say, feel AT ONE with ALL of IT: > > It's NONDUAL! > > > But you admit that there are those things that you DON'T feel > > AT HOME with AT ALL. But then you say > > that these things are negligible, relatively speaking, and that > > ULTIMATELY these " bad " things > > fall away or > > that ultimately we will all be dead, anyway, > > and it doesn't matter. > > > And you keep repeating this, in the hope that it will itself make > > you feel permanently AT HOME > > with the world, with life, with the whole kit and caboodle. > > > And sometimes it seems to work, and sometimes it doesn't. > > And when it doesn't, you just try > > harder, or try a new angle, or spend more time repeating: > > > " There's no place like home, this place is home, > > I've always been at home, I'll always be at home. " > > > > So, Dorothy, let's all just keep following the Internet highway, > > off to seen the Wizard, the > > wonderful Wizard of Nis, because, because, because he Is... > > > Not to sound a sour note. I'm just saying. > > > > What IS trust, really? > > > And I won't accept any " you/I'll know it > > when you/I see it, " because I DON'T > > TRUST UNEXAMINED TRUST. > > > " The unexamined life is not worth living, " > > and the unexamined truth is not worth trusting. > > > " Unless ye be like children " : > > > well, children, intelligent, bright children > > are VERY skeptical. > > > > Oh, yes we are... > How do think you can unveil the secret of trust and love, if your tongue keeps dripping. Sukhi Ho Tiny Tim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > " Trust me, I'm telling the truth. " > > > > > > In other words, > > > > " Love me, I'm offering love. " > > > > > > But why should we trust you? > > > > You may think you know the truth, > > > > but you may not know the truth at all. > > > > > > After all, who are you? > > > > Who am I? to trust You? > > > > > > Now you'll say that you're so sure of your relationship to Truth, > > > > that you don't care whether I love you or not. > > > > > > So why do you post? > > > > > > You'll say, " because I do, I'm on autopilot, spoken to by the > Muses. " > > > > And you trust the Muses? Does that mean we should? > > > > > > What is Trust? > > > > > > Isn't it a feeling of being " at home " with something so repetitive > > > > and reliable, so comforting and > > > > present, that we tend to identify with it, feel AT ONE with it? > > > > > > And you say, feel AT ONE with ALL of IT: > > > > It's NONDUAL! > > > > > > But you admit that there are those things that you DON'T feel > > > > AT HOME with AT ALL. But then you say > > > > that these things are negligible, relatively speaking, and that > > > > ULTIMATELY these " bad " things > > > > fall away or > > > > that ultimately we will all be dead, anyway, > > > > and it doesn't matter. > > > > > > And you keep repeating this, in the hope that it will itself make > > > > you feel permanently AT HOME > > > > with the world, with life, with the whole kit and caboodle. > > > > > > And sometimes it seems to work, and sometimes it doesn't. > > > > And when it doesn't, you just try > > > > harder, or try a new angle, or spend more time repeating: > > > > > > " There's no place like home, this place is home, > > > > I've always been at home, I'll always be at home. " > > > > > > > > So, Dorothy, let's all just keep following the Internet highway, > > > > off to seen the Wizard, the > > > > wonderful Wizard of Nis, because, because, because he Is... > > > > > > Not to sound a sour note. I'm just saying. > > > > > > > > What IS trust, really? > > > > > > And I won't accept any " you/I'll know it > > > > when you/I see it, " because I DON'T > > > > TRUST UNEXAMINED TRUST. > > > > > > " The unexamined life is not worth living, " > > > > and the unexamined truth is not worth trusting. > > > > > > " Unless ye be like children " : > > > > > > well, children, intelligent, bright children > > > > are VERY skeptical. > > > > > > > > Oh, yes we are... > > > How do think you can unveil the secret of trust and love, if your > tongue keeps dripping. > > Sukhi Ho Tiny Tim. > " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Trust me, I'm telling the truth. " > > > > > > > > > In other words, > > > > > > " Love me, I'm offering love. " > > > > > > > > > But why should we trust you? > > > > > > You may think you know the truth, > > > > > > but you may not know the truth at all. > > > > > > > > > After all, who are you? > > > > > > Who am I? to trust You? > > > > > > > > > Now you'll say that you're so sure of your relationship to Truth, > > > > > > that you don't care whether I love you or not. > > > > > > > > > So why do you post? > > > > > > > > > You'll say, " because I do, I'm on autopilot, spoken to by the > > Muses. " > > > > > > And you trust the Muses? Does that mean we should? > > > > > > > > > What is Trust? > > > > > > > > > Isn't it a feeling of being " at home " with something so repetitive > > > > > > and reliable, so comforting and > > > > > > present, that we tend to identify with it, feel AT ONE with it? > > > > > > > > > And you say, feel AT ONE with ALL of IT: > > > > > > It's NONDUAL! > > > > > > > > > But you admit that there are those things that you DON'T feel > > > > > > AT HOME with AT ALL. But then you say > > > > > > that these things are negligible, relatively speaking, and that > > > > > > ULTIMATELY these " bad " things > > > > > > fall away or > > > > > > that ultimately we will all be dead, anyway, > > > > > > and it doesn't matter. > > > > > > > > > And you keep repeating this, in the hope that it will itself make > > > > > > you feel permanently AT HOME > > > > > > with the world, with life, with the whole kit and caboodle. > > > > > > > > > And sometimes it seems to work, and sometimes it doesn't. > > > > > > And when it doesn't, you just try > > > > > > harder, or try a new angle, or spend more time repeating: > > > > > > > > > " There's no place like home, this place is home, > > > > > > I've always been at home, I'll always be at home. " > > > > > > > > > > > > So, Dorothy, let's all just keep following the Internet highway, > > > > > > off to seen the Wizard, the > > > > > > wonderful Wizard of Nis, because, because, because he Is... > > > > > > > > > Not to sound a sour note. I'm just saying. > > > > > > > > > > > > What IS trust, really? > > > > > > > > > And I won't accept any " you/I'll know it > > > > > > when you/I see it, " because I DON'T > > > > > > TRUST UNEXAMINED TRUST. > > > > > > > > > " The unexamined life is not worth living, " > > > > > > and the unexamined truth is not worth trusting. > > > > > > > > > " Unless ye be like children " : > > > > > > > > > well, children, intelligent, bright children > > > > > > are VERY skeptical. > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, yes we are... > > > > > How do think you can unveil the secret of trust and love, if your > > tongue keeps dripping. > > > > Sukhi Ho Tiny Tim. > > > > " > ___ _ _ _ _ _ _____ _ _____ _ / __|_ _| |_| |_ (_) | || |___ |_ _(_)_ _ _ _ |_ _(_)_ __ \__ \ || | / / ' \| | | __ / _ \ | | | | ' \ || | | | | | ' \ |___/\_,_|_\_\_||_|_| |_||_\___/ |_| |_|_||_\_, | |_| |_|_|_|_| Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2006 Report Share Posted December 14, 2006 As Pilate said, " What is Truth " Tom. Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > " Trust me, I'm telling the truth. " > > > > > > In other words, > > > > " Love me, I'm offering love. " > > > > > > But why should we trust you? > > > > You may think you know the truth, > > > > but you may not know the truth at all. > > > > > > After all, who are you? > > > > Who am I? to trust You? > > > > > > Now you'll say that you're so sure of your relationship to Truth, > > > > that you don't care whether I love you or not. > > > > > > So why do you post? > > > > > > You'll say, " because I do, I'm on autopilot, spoken to by the > Muses. " > > > > And you trust the Muses? Does that mean we should? > > > > > > What is Trust? > > > > > > Isn't it a feeling of being " at home " with something so repetitive > > > > and reliable, so comforting and > > > > present, that we tend to identify with it, feel AT ONE with it? > > > > > > And you say, feel AT ONE with ALL of IT: > > > > It's NONDUAL! > > > > > > But you admit that there are those things that you DON'T feel > > > > AT HOME with AT ALL. But then you say > > > > that these things are negligible, relatively speaking, and that > > > > ULTIMATELY these " bad " things > > > > fall away or > > > > that ultimately we will all be dead, anyway, > > > > and it doesn't matter. > > > > > > And you keep repeating this, in the hope that it will itself make > > > > you feel permanently AT HOME > > > > with the world, with life, with the whole kit and caboodle. > > > > > > And sometimes it seems to work, and sometimes it doesn't. > > > > And when it doesn't, you just try > > > > harder, or try a new angle, or spend more time repeating: > > > > > > " There's no place like home, this place is home, > > > > I've always been at home, I'll always be at home. " > > > > > > > > So, Dorothy, let's all just keep following the Internet highway, > > > > off to seen the Wizard, the > > > > wonderful Wizard of Nis, because, because, because he Is... > > > > > > Not to sound a sour note. I'm just saying. > > > > > > > > What IS trust, really? > > > > > > And I won't accept any " you/I'll know it > > > > when you/I see it, " because I DON'T > > > > TRUST UNEXAMINED TRUST. > > > > > > " The unexamined life is not worth living, " > > > > and the unexamined truth is not worth trusting. > > > > > > " Unless ye be like children " : > > > > > > well, children, intelligent, bright children > > > > are VERY skeptical. > > > > > > > > Oh, yes we are... > > > How do think you can unveil the secret of trust and love, if your > tongue keeps dripping. > > Sukhi Ho Tiny Tim. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2006 Report Share Posted December 14, 2006 / __|_ _| |_| |_ (_) | || |___ |_ _(_)_ _ _ _ |_ _(_)_ __ \__ \ || | / / ' \| | | __ / _ \ | | | | ' \ || | | | | | ' \ |___/\_,_|_\_\_||_|_| |_||_\___/ |_| |_|_||_\_, | |_| |_|_|_|_| Strange . . . I've seen this before, don't you remember. Tom. Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Trust me, I'm telling the truth. " > > > > > > > > > > > > In other words, > > > > > > > > " Love me, I'm offering love. " > > > > > > > > > > > > But why should we trust you? > > > > > > > > You may think you know the truth, > > > > > > > > but you may not know the truth at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > After all, who are you? > > > > > > > > Who am I? to trust You? > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you'll say that you're so sure of your relationship to > Truth, > > > > > > > > that you don't care whether I love you or not. > > > > > > > > > > > > So why do you post? > > > > > > > > > > > > You'll say, " because I do, I'm on autopilot, spoken to by the > > > Muses. " > > > > > > > > And you trust the Muses? Does that mean we should? > > > > > > > > > > > > What is Trust? > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't it a feeling of being " at home " with something so > repetitive > > > > > > > > and reliable, so comforting and > > > > > > > > present, that we tend to identify with it, feel AT ONE with it? > > > > > > > > > > > > And you say, feel AT ONE with ALL of IT: > > > > > > > > It's NONDUAL! > > > > > > > > > > > > But you admit that there are those things that you DON'T feel > > > > > > > > AT HOME with AT ALL. But then you say > > > > > > > > that these things are negligible, relatively speaking, and that > > > > > > > > ULTIMATELY these " bad " things > > > > > > > > fall away or > > > > > > > > that ultimately we will all be dead, anyway, > > > > > > > > and it doesn't matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > And you keep repeating this, in the hope that it will itself > make > > > > > > > > you feel permanently AT HOME > > > > > > > > with the world, with life, with the whole kit and caboodle. > > > > > > > > > > > > And sometimes it seems to work, and sometimes it doesn't. > > > > > > > > And when it doesn't, you just try > > > > > > > > harder, or try a new angle, or spend more time repeating: > > > > > > > > > > > > " There's no place like home, this place is home, > > > > > > > > I've always been at home, I'll always be at home. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, Dorothy, let's all just keep following the Internet > highway, > > > > > > > > off to seen the Wizard, the > > > > > > > > wonderful Wizard of Nis, because, because, because he Is... > > > > > > > > > > > > Not to sound a sour note. I'm just saying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What IS trust, really? > > > > > > > > > > > > And I won't accept any " you/I'll know it > > > > > > > > when you/I see it, " because I DON'T > > > > > > > > TRUST UNEXAMINED TRUST. > > > > > > > > > > > > " The unexamined life is not worth living, " > > > > > > > > and the unexamined truth is not worth trusting. > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unless ye be like children " : > > > > > > > > > > > > well, children, intelligent, bright children > > > > > > > > are VERY skeptical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, yes we are... > > > > > > > How do think you can unveil the secret of trust and love, if your > > > tongue keeps dripping. > > > > > > Sukhi Ho Tiny Tim. > > > > > > > " > > > ___ _ _ _ _ _ _____ _ _____ _ > / __|_ _| |_| |_ (_) | || |___ |_ _(_)_ _ _ _ |_ _(_)_ __ > \__ \ || | / / ' \| | | __ / _ \ | | | | ' \ || | | | | | ' \ > |___/\_,_|_\_\_||_|_| |_||_\___/ |_| |_|_||_\_, | |_| |_|_|_|_| > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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