Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 [...] > > it seem that some people are loaded by a kind of " serving " karma.... What " karma " means to you, Marc? > means...they dreamed for many years....to serve others....to help > others..... What " dreaming " means to you, Marc? And, what does " not dreaming " means to you, Marc? Are you " dreaming " right now or are you " not dreaming " right now? > they jumped into the believe that liberation come What " liberation " means to you, Marc? > with " serving " ....or that " serving " is the purpose of life... What " life " means to you, Marc? > > > > sure....the one " who " realised him/herSelf..... what you mean by the " who " at you refer to here? [...] PS: I notice that I have aksed many questions. I have aksed these because, I like to converse and understand in 'common' day-to-day practical language. Since, you presumably talk in some kind of 'nondual' speech, I don't understand much of it. I hope, you are not just trying to 'copy' someone alive or dead and that you really understand these terms to explain them clearly and simply. If yes, please help us understand them by explaining them in common day-to-day language. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > [...] > > > > > it seem that some people are loaded by a kind of " serving " > karma.... > > > What " karma " means to you, Marc? > > > > means...they dreamed for many years....to serve others....to help > > others..... > > What " dreaming " means to you, Marc? > > And, what does " not dreaming " means to you, Marc? > > Are you " dreaming " right now > or are you " not dreaming " right now? > > > > they jumped into the believe that liberation come > > What " liberation " means to you, Marc? > > > > with " serving " ....or that " serving " is the purpose of life... > > What " life " means to you, Marc? > > > > > > > > > > sure....the one " who " realised him/herSelf..... > > what you mean by the " who " at you refer to here? > > > [...] > > PS: I notice that I have aksed many questions. > I have aksed these because, I like to converse > and understand in 'common' day-to-day practical > language. > > > Since, you presumably talk in some kind of > 'nondual' speech, I don't understand much of it. > I hope, you are not just trying to 'copy' someone > alive or dead and that you really understand these > terms to explain them clearly and simply. > If yes, please help us understand them by > explaining them in common day-to-day language. hello... yes , there are many questions....don't think that i could explain/answer all this for you..... i think that there are different views on certain subjects.... also a different view on " serving " .... i remind some recent talk also about.....what a " sage " is giving to....whoever.... there too....i tried to write few words about my view concerning it..... personally....i have no problem with different views..... i'm not trying to " copy " my views.....words are coming out of me....without many " references " to others who maybe have same kind of view you analyse every word of what i wrote..... then, ok, i think must be confusing ....and it don't give you any idea about what i wanted to express... i used " dreaming " to serve.... simply i wanted to tell that it's like a long wished plan........ " to serve " ....one day... a desire to realise one day.....and so...like a " dream come true " .... that's kind of attitude some people have.....they are attached to ideas....to plans....to projects..... giving much energy to this attachments.... this create again and again....certain very specific tendencies.... and again....next attachments..... all this give some experience....and knowledge about many things.... the one who is so....attached to all this nice things and plans.....build up constantly new karma.....means, some time & space....to give some nice occupations.....to the ego-mind..... he/she is dreaming to be and there is the point.....about non-duality.... the identification with own personal body-mind-intellect......is of great dual power..... means....as long there is this dreaming entity thinking.....He or She.....is serving....whoever else...... there is duality so far few more words about the subject.... i'm not friend of many many words..... and i don't feel i should try to explain in words....that would, indeed, ....be no more mine.... thanks for your message Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > it seem that some people are loaded by a kind of " serving " > > karma.... > > > > > > What " karma " means to you, Marc? > > > > > > > means...they dreamed for many years....to serve others....to help > > > others..... > > > > What " dreaming " means to you, Marc? > > > > And, what does " not dreaming " means to you, Marc? > > > > Are you " dreaming " right now > > or are you " not dreaming " right now? > > > > > > > they jumped into the believe that liberation come > > > > What " liberation " means to you, Marc? > > > > > > > with " serving " ....or that " serving " is the purpose of life... > > > > What " life " means to you, Marc? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure....the one " who " realised him/herSelf..... > > > > what you mean by the " who " at you refer to here? > > > > > > [...] > > > > PS: I notice that I have aksed many questions. > > I have aksed these because, I like to converse > > and understand in 'common' day-to-day practical > > language. > > > > > > Since, you presumably talk in some kind of > > 'nondual' speech, I don't understand much of it. > > I hope, you are not just trying to 'copy' someone > > alive or dead and that you really understand these > > terms to explain them clearly and simply. > > If yes, please help us understand them by > > explaining them in common day-to-day language. > > > hello... > > yes , there are many questions....don't think that i could > explain/answer all this for you..... > > i think that there are different views on certain subjects.... > > also a different view on " serving " .... > i remind some recent talk also about.....what a " sage " is giving > to....whoever.... > > there too....i tried to write few words about my view concerning > it..... > > personally....i have no problem with different views..... > > > i'm not trying to " copy " my views.....words are coming out of > me....without many " references " to others who maybe have same kind of > view > > > you analyse every word of what i wrote..... > then, ok, i think must be confusing ....and it don't give you any > idea about what i wanted to express... > > > > i used " dreaming " to serve.... > simply i wanted to tell that it's like a long wished plan........ " to > serve " ....one day... > a desire to realise one day.....and so...like a " dream come true " .... > > that's kind of attitude some people have.....they are attached to > ideas....to plans....to projects..... > giving much energy to this attachments.... > this create again and again....certain very specific tendencies.... > and again....next attachments..... > all this give some experience....and knowledge about many things.... > the one who is so....attached to all this nice things and > plans.....build up constantly new karma.....means, some > time & space....to give some nice occupations.....to the ego-mind..... > he/she is dreaming to be > > and there is the point.....about non-duality.... > > the identification with own personal body-mind-intellect......is of > great dual power..... > > means....as long there is this dreaming entity thinking.....He or > She.....is serving....whoever else...... > > there is duality > > > so far few more words about the subject.... > > i'm not friend of many many words..... > and i don't feel i should try to explain in words....that would, > indeed, ....be no more mine.... > > thanks for your message > > Marc > good points, Marc. for me, " service " creates the delusion of pure harmony: respite from life's constant self-centered struggle. But just under the surface is a hidden conflict, no less intense than the fighting I'm trying to escape in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 [...] > so far few more words about the subject.... > > i'm not friend of many many words..... > and i don't feel i should try to explain in words....that would, > indeed, ....be no more mine.... How else you want to " explain " your 'concepts' on this forum, Marc? > > thanks for your message > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > it seem that some people are loaded by a kind of " serving " > > karma.... > > > > > > What " karma " means to you, Marc? > > > > > > > means...they dreamed for many years....to serve others....to help > > > others..... > > > > What " dreaming " means to you, Marc? > > > > And, what does " not dreaming " means to you, Marc? > > > > Are you " dreaming " right now > > or are you " not dreaming " right now? > > > > > > > they jumped into the believe that liberation come > > > > What " liberation " means to you, Marc? > > > > > > > with " serving " ....or that " serving " is the purpose of life... > > > > What " life " means to you, Marc? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure....the one " who " realised him/herSelf..... > > > > what you mean by the " who " at you refer to here? > > > > > > [...] > > > > PS: I notice that I have aksed many questions. > > I have aksed these because, I like to converse > > and understand in 'common' day-to-day practical > > language. > > > > > > Since, you presumably talk in some kind of > > 'nondual' speech, I don't understand much of it. > > I hope, you are not just trying to 'copy' someone > > alive or dead and that you really understand these > > terms to explain them clearly and simply. > > If yes, please help us understand them by > > explaining them in common day-to-day language. > > > hello... > > yes , there are many questions....don't think that i could > explain/answer all this for you..... I am afraid that unless you do that I am NOT really able to understand the meaning of what you say. And, without that, I can neither comprehend nor respond to what you say. Further, I must say that your writting style [as can be seen in this very message] makes reading your message quite tedious for me. As a result, I rarely read what you post on this forum. In this thread, since you were replying to my message, I thought you could perhaps, try to write in a manner that I can easily read and understand. If not, then in addition to not readaing your other messages, I might have to skip your replies to my messages too. > > i think that there are different views on certain subjects.... Yes, that could be true. > > also a different view on " serving " .... Sure. > i remind some recent talk also about.....what a " sage " is giving > to....whoever.... I am not sure about 'whoever' but, ok. > > there too....i tried to write few words about my view concerning > it..... There too, I didn't understand what you really meant. > > personally....i have no problem with different views..... Good for you. I was only trying to 'understand' your 'views' and without your explanation even that is NOT possible. > > > i'm not trying to " copy " my views.....words are coming out of > me....without many " references " to others who maybe have same kind of > view Next time, please try to understand [and 'explain'] what you say and... what you mean. I am not a big fan of words simply coming out of mouth. I think, usually it is a very uncoscious way of speech. Even great 'poets' read, understand and sometimes 'revise' their text before publishing it for public 'consumption'. > > > you analyse every word of what i wrote..... I am trying to understand. You seem to use terms like " dream " , " liberation " in ways that don't make sense to me. Thus, I ask for clarification. Failing to understand what you say, I can either ask or simply stop reading you. My current effort is to ask and try to understand. If that doesn't work, I will consider skiping your replies. > then, ok, i think must be confusing ....and it don't give you any > idea about what i wanted to express... Yes. I didn't clearly understand what you meant and thus, I asked. > > > > i used " dreaming " to serve.... > simply i wanted to tell that it's like a long wished plan........ " to > serve " ....one day... No. That is not what I meant. Maybe, you could have aksed me what I meant by serving in place of 'assuming' that I meant 'a long wished plan........ " to serve " ....one day'. Perhaps, that could have saved us many words and much time on this thread. > a desire to realise one day.....and so...like a " dream come true " .... No. Please see above. > > that's kind of attitude some people have..... It is my experience that it is very difficult to really know about " some people " . Therfore, I prefer to talk about 'myself' and ask about 'yourself' in place of 'speculating' about 'some people'. Tell me what 'attitude' YOU have and that could be 'good enough' for our conversation. > they are attached to > ideas....to plans....to projects..... > giving much energy to this attachments.... Again, let us talk about you in place of " some people " whom you may not really know. Tell us about yourself. What kind of 'attitude' YOU have? Tell us, how the above* * [attached to ideas....to plans....to projects..... giving much energy to this attachments....]* applies to you. > this create again and again....certain very specific tendencies.... > and again....next attachments..... > all this give some experience....and knowledge about many things.... Again, tell us about 'yourself' - the 'person' you are in the BEST position to know about. Let us leave atalking 'about them' to 'them'. It is my experience that we can be Far More Honest, candid and REAL when talking about ourselves. And, in my expereince, it is often also more useful. > the one who is so....attached to all this nice things and > plans.....build up constantly new karma.....means, some > time & space....to give some nice occupations.....to the ego- mind..... > he/she is dreaming to be What about your karma, Marc? Do you have any? If not, how do you avoid them? > > and there is the point.....about non-duality.... What is non-duality to YOU, Marc? > > the identification with own personal body-mind-intellect......is of > great dual power..... Is it of " great dual power " to you, Marc? Do you have 'the identification with own personal body-mind-intellect' or not? > > means....as long there is this dreaming entity thinking.....He or > She.....is serving....whoever else...... > > there is duality Do you have duality, Marc? Do you think 'duality' is something that I [or someone else] " should " try to 'get rid of'? If not, what is the REAL prolem. If it is 'dual' fine. If it is not dual that's fine too. What is the problem? [...] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > [...] > > > so far few more words about the subject.... > > > > i'm not friend of many many words..... > > and i don't feel i should try to explain in words....that would, > > indeed, ....be no more mine.... > > How else you want to " explain " > your 'concepts' on this forum, Marc? > > > > > > > > > thanks for your message > > > > Marc for non-dual people....i think there is not the greatest mystery of sharing words....with " whoever " ..... what, ever, could be " given " ....what is not already..... " yours " .... " mine " ......? Marc > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <tuvalu66@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > > it seem that some people are loaded by a kind of " serving " > > > karma.... > > > > > > > > > What " karma " means to you, Marc? > > > > > > > > > > means...they dreamed for many years....to serve others....to > help > > > > others..... > > > > > > What " dreaming " means to you, Marc? > > > > > > And, what does " not dreaming " means to you, Marc? > > > > > > Are you " dreaming " right now > > > or are you " not dreaming " right now? > > > > > > > > > > they jumped into the believe that liberation come > > > > > > What " liberation " means to you, Marc? > > > > > > > > > > with " serving " ....or that " serving " is the purpose of life... > > > > > > What " life " means to you, Marc? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure....the one " who " realised him/herSelf..... > > > > > > what you mean by the " who " at you refer to here? > > > > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > PS: I notice that I have aksed many questions. > > > I have aksed these because, I like to converse > > > and understand in 'common' day-to-day practical > > > language. > > > > > > > > > Since, you presumably talk in some kind of > > > 'nondual' speech, I don't understand much of it. > > > I hope, you are not just trying to 'copy' someone > > > alive or dead and that you really understand these > > > terms to explain them clearly and simply. > > > If yes, please help us understand them by > > > explaining them in common day-to-day language. > > > > > > hello... > > > > yes , there are many questions....don't think that i could > > explain/answer all this for you..... > > I am afraid that unless you do that > I am NOT really able to understand > the meaning of what you say. And, > without that, I can neither comprehend > nor respond to what you say. > > Further, I must say that your writting style > [as can be seen in this very message] makes > reading your message quite tedious for me. > As a result, I rarely read what you post on > this forum. In this thread, since you were > replying to my message, I thought you could > perhaps, try to write in a manner that I can > easily read and understand. If not, then in > addition to not readaing your other messages, > I might have to skip your replies to my messages > too. > > > > > > > > i think that there are different views on certain subjects.... > > Yes, that could be true. > > > > > also a different view on " serving " .... > > Sure. > > > i remind some recent talk also about.....what a " sage " is giving > > to....whoever.... > > I am not sure about 'whoever' but, ok. > > > > > there too....i tried to write few words about my view concerning > > it..... > > There too, I didn't understand what you really > meant. > > > > > personally....i have no problem with different views..... > > Good for you. > > I was only trying to 'understand' your 'views' > and without your explanation even that is NOT > possible. > > > > > > > > i'm not trying to " copy " my views.....words are coming out of > > me....without many " references " to others who maybe have same kind > of > > view > > Next time, please try to understand [and 'explain'] > what you say and... what you mean. I am not a big > fan of words simply coming out of mouth. I think, > usually it is a very uncoscious way of speech. > > Even great 'poets' read, understand and sometimes > 'revise' their text before publishing it for > public 'consumption'. > > > > > > > you analyse every word of what i wrote..... > > I am trying to understand. > You seem to use terms like " dream " , " liberation " > in ways that don't make sense to me. Thus, I > ask for clarification. Failing to understand > what you say, I can either ask or simply stop > reading you. My current effort is to ask and try > to understand. If that doesn't work, I will consider > skiping your replies. > > > > > then, ok, i think must be confusing ....and it don't give you any > > idea about what i wanted to express... > > Yes. I didn't clearly understand what you meant > and thus, I asked. > > > > > > > > > i used " dreaming " to serve.... > > simply i wanted to tell that it's like a long wished > plan........ " to > > serve " ....one day... > > No. That is not what I meant. > > Maybe, you could have aksed me what I meant by > serving in place of 'assuming' that I meant > 'a long wished plan........ " to serve " ....one day'. > > > Perhaps, that could have saved us many words and > much time on this thread. > > > > a desire to realise one day.....and so...like a " dream come > true " .... > > No. Please see above. > > > > > that's kind of attitude some people have..... > > It is my experience that it is very difficult to > really know about " some people " . Therfore, > I prefer to talk about 'myself' and ask about > 'yourself' in place of 'speculating' about > 'some people'. > > Tell me what 'attitude' YOU have and that could be > 'good enough' for our conversation. > > > they are attached to > > ideas....to plans....to projects..... > > giving much energy to this attachments.... > > Again, let us talk about you in place of > " some people " whom you may not really know. > > Tell us about yourself. What kind of 'attitude' > YOU have? Tell us, how the above* > > * [attached to > ideas....to plans....to projects..... > giving much energy to this attachments....]* > > applies to you. > > > > > this create again and again....certain very specific tendencies.... > > and again....next attachments..... > > all this give some experience....and knowledge about many > things.... > > > Again, tell us about 'yourself' - the 'person' > you are in the BEST position to know about. > Let us leave atalking 'about them' to 'them'. > > It is my experience that we can be Far More Honest, > candid and REAL when talking about ourselves. And, > in my expereince, it is often also more useful. > > > > the one who is so....attached to all this nice things and > > plans.....build up constantly new karma.....means, some > > time & space....to give some nice occupations.....to the ego- > mind..... > > he/she is dreaming to be > > What about your karma, Marc? > > Do you have any? > > If not, how do you avoid them? > > > > > > and there is the point.....about non-duality.... > > What is non-duality to YOU, Marc? > > > > > > the identification with own personal body-mind-intellect......is > of > > great dual power..... > > Is it of " great dual power " to you, Marc? > > Do you have 'the identification with > own personal body-mind-intellect' or not? > > > > > > means....as long there is this dreaming entity thinking.....He or > > She.....is serving....whoever else...... > > > > there is duality > > Do you have duality, Marc? > > Do you think 'duality' is something that > I [or someone else] " should " try to > 'get rid of'? If not, what is the REAL > prolem. If it is 'dual' fine. If it is > not dual that's fine too. What is the > problem? > > > [...] .....sorry..... we speak different language.....indeed.... no problem....skip my messages...if you feel so.... already skip most of yours here..... you are too fan of great and fabuloes words.... wish a successful story in writing.... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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