Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 [...] > > good points, Marc. > > > > for me, " service " creates the delusion of pure harmony: That is not what I mean by service. To me, 'harmony'* is not necessary for 'service'. > > respite from life's constant self-centered struggle. To me, service can begin only after one has moved beyond the need of 'respite'! 'Service' can begin only after one is ready to willingly, whole-heartedly 'suffer'. Service can begin only after one has moved the 'usual' need to 'avoid [personal] pain' and 'seek [personal] pleasure. Until one is ready to willfully suffer; until one is ready to willfully let go of the desire for pleasure; one is not ready to serve. Service can start only after the 'fear of [self] pain' and 'hope of [self] gratification' has ceased to be the main motivation in one's life. > > > But just under the surface is a hidden conflict, To me, service doesn't necessarily mean avoiding 'conflict' or seeking agreement. > > no less intense than > > the fighting I'm trying to escape in the first place. Service doesn't mean avoiding fight or struggle either. I think perhaps, service means different things to me and you. To me, service simply means: A Conscious Act of Love. ---- http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/harmony 1. agreement; accord; harmonious relations. 2. a consistent, orderly, or pleasing arrangement of parts; congruity. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/delusion 3. a false belief or opinion: delusions of grandeur. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/struggle 1. to contend with an adversary or opposing force. 2. to contend resolutely with a task, problem, etc.; strive: to struggle for existence. 3. to advance with violent effort: to struggle through the snow. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/respite 1. a delay or cessation for a time, esp. of anything distressing or trying; an interval of relief: to toil without respite. 2. temporary suspension of the execution of a person condemned to death; reprieve. –verb (used with object) 3. to relieve temporarily, esp. from anything distressing or trying; give an interval of relief from. 4. to grant delay in the carrying out of (a punishment, obligation, etc.). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Glad you responded,ac. I see what you mean, it's purity. On the other hand, why have a discrete act of love? Why not just BE love, Let one's whole life/death/being Already Be nothing but love? > > > > > good points, Marc. > > > > > > > > for me, " service " creates the delusion of pure harmony: > > That is not what I mean by service. > To me, 'harmony'* is not necessary > for 'service'. > > > > > > > respite from life's constant self-centered struggle. > > To me, service can begin only after > one has moved beyond the need of > 'respite'! 'Service' can begin only after > one is ready to willingly, whole-heartedly > 'suffer'. Service can begin only after > one has moved the 'usual' need to 'avoid > [personal] pain' and 'seek [personal] pleasure. > > Until one is ready to willfully suffer; > until one is ready to willfully let > go of the desire for pleasure; one is > not ready to serve. > > Service can start only after the 'fear of > [self] pain' and 'hope of [self] gratification' > has ceased to be the main motivation in one's > life. > > > > > > > > But just under the surface is a hidden conflict, > > To me, service doesn't necessarily mean avoiding 'conflict' > or seeking agreement. > > > > > no less intense than > > > > the fighting I'm trying to escape in the first place. > > Service doesn't mean avoiding fight or struggle either. > > > > > I think perhaps, service means different things to me > and you. To me, service simply means: > > A Conscious Act of Love. > > > > ---- > > http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/harmony > > 1. agreement; accord; harmonious relations. > 2. a consistent, orderly, or pleasing arrangement of parts; > congruity. > > http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/delusion > 3. a false belief or opinion: delusions of grandeur. > > http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/struggle > > 1. to contend with an adversary or opposing force. > 2. to contend resolutely with a task, problem, etc.; strive: to > struggle for existence. > 3. to advance with violent effort: to struggle through the snow. > > > http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/respite > 1. a delay or cessation for a time, esp. of anything distressing or > trying; an interval of relief: to toil without respite. > 2. temporary suspension of the execution of a person condemned to > death; reprieve. > –verb (used with object) 3. to relieve temporarily, esp. from > anything distressing or trying; give an interval of relief from. > 4. to grant delay in the carrying out of (a punishment, obligation, > etc.). > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > > > > Glad you responded,ac. Thanks. > > I see what you mean, it's purity. ok. > > > > On the other hand, why have a discrete > > act of love? I will try to express my views [mostly just my experience] in another message. > > > > Why not just BE love, You speak as if I can simply " choose " to just 'Be Love' Or, that I even understand what just 'being love' means > > Let one's whole life/death/being > > Already Be nothing but love? > Sure, but, how and what it really means Regards, ac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Glad you responded,ac. > > Thanks. > > > > > I see what you mean, it's purity. > > ok. > > > > > > > > > On the other hand, why have a discrete > > > > act of love? > > I will try to express my views > [mostly just my experience] in another > message. > > > > > > > > > Why not just BE love, > > You speak as if I can simply > " choose " to just 'Be Love' > > Or, that I even understand what > just 'being love' means > > > > > Let one's whole life/death/being > > > > Already Be nothing but love? > > > > > Sure, but, how and what it really means > > Regards, > ac > sincere questions. And yes, my points need elaboration. But there has to be dialog, for that, too. So, why don't we begin with my first question, not merely as a flip suggestion, but as a profound question: Why not just BE love? (I'll share what prevents me from Being love, if and when the dialog continues..........) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Glad you responded,ac. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > I see what you mean, it's purity. > > > > ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the other hand, why have a discrete > > > > > > act of love? > > > > I will try to express my views > > [mostly just my experience] in another > > message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not just BE love, > > > > You speak as if I can simply > > " choose " to just 'Be Love' > > > > Or, that I even understand what > > just 'being love' means > > > > > > > > Let one's whole life/death/being > > > > > > Already Be nothing but love? > > > > > > > > > Sure, but, how and what it really means > > > > Regards, > > ac > > > sincere questions. And yes, my points need elaboration. > > But there has to be dialog, for that, too. > > So, why don't we begin with my first question, not merely as > > a flip suggestion, but as a profound question: > > > Why not just BE love? Are 'Just Being' and 'just being love' two diifferent things? If I correctly understand what they mean, then, they are not. > > > > > > (I'll share what prevents me from Being love, > > if and when the dialog continues..........) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Glad you responded,ac. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > I see what you mean, it's purity. > > > > > > ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the other hand, why have a discrete > > > > > > > > act of love? > > > > > > I will try to express my views > > > [mostly just my experience] in another > > > message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not just BE love, > > > > > > You speak as if I can simply > > > " choose " to just 'Be Love' > > > > > > Or, that I even understand what > > > just 'being love' means > > > > > > > > > > > Let one's whole life/death/being > > > > > > > > Already Be nothing but love? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure, but, how and what it really means > > > > > > Regards, > > > ac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincere questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yes, my points need elaboration. > > > > But there has to be dialog, for that, too. > > > > So, why don't we begin with my first question, not merely as > > > > a flip suggestion, but as a profound question: > > > > > > Why not just BE love? > > Are 'Just Being' and 'just being love' > two diifferent things? > > If I correctly understand what they mean, > then, they are not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I'll share what prevents me from Being love, > > > > if and when the dialog continues..........) > > > Yes, for me, since we are only talking about ourselves, just Being IS Just Being Love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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