Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 In my experience, following are the things that create human actions: #1. SENSES: Moving away from immediate danger/fear/pain #2. SENSES: Moving towards immediate pleasure #3. SENSES: Curiosity - Understanding things around you. #4. KARMA: Immediate Reactivity. Doing what 'you think' other has just done to you. Repeating what you have heard. # 5. Unconscious Love: Relating - Socializing, connecting with other humans/animals/nature. #6. Unconscious Love: Creation, Self expression #7. Karma: Habit/conditioning - doing the same thing that one has done before in the same scenario. Also known as character, personality #8. Ego gratification #9. Fear of future pain #10. Hope of future pleasure #11. Personal Love - for example love for kids, spouse, parents, social group or country. #12. Religion and belief - For example, belief in Koran, Bible. #13. Ideals - for examples, one's stand for peace, love, freedom, justice, equality, creativity. 14. Freedom: Desire to get out of the 'cycle'. Desire to know Self #15. Ideals: Serving Realization, liberation, enlightenment. #16. Universal Love - Love of 'God', Love of creation', love of ALL, Love of the Process In my experience, factors on top of this list act far more easily than the ones at the bottom and it takes some sort of personal 'evolution' and often sustained 'conscious effort' [until they become 'natural' i.e. until the mind gets 'conditioned' to act that way to move beyond them. What is your experience? Regards, ac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > In my experience, following are the > things that create human actions: > > #1. SENSES: Moving away from immediate > danger/fear/pain > > #2. SENSES: Moving towards immediate pleasure > > #3. SENSES: Curiosity - Understanding things around you. > > > #4. KARMA: Immediate Reactivity. Doing what 'you think' > other has just done to you. Repeating what you have > heard. > > # 5. Unconscious Love: Relating - Socializing, > connecting with other humans/animals/nature. > > #6. Unconscious Love: Creation, Self expression > > > #7. Karma: Habit/conditioning - doing the > same thing that one has done before in > the same scenario. Also known as > character, personality > > > #8. Ego gratification > > > #9. Fear of future pain > > #10. Hope of future pleasure > > #11. Personal Love - for example love > for kids, spouse, parents, social group > or country. > > #12. Religion and belief - For example, > belief in Koran, Bible. > > #13. Ideals - for examples, one's stand > for peace, love, freedom, justice, equality, creativity. > > 14. Freedom: Desire to get out of the 'cycle'. > Desire to know Self > > #15. Ideals: Serving Realization, liberation, enlightenment. > > #16. Universal Love - Love of 'God', Love > of creation', love of ALL, Love of the Process > > > In my experience, factors on top of this list > act far more easily than the ones at the bottom > and it takes some sort of personal 'evolution' > and often sustained 'conscious effort' [until > they become 'natural' i.e. until the mind gets > 'conditioned' to act that way to move beyond them. > > > What is your experience? > > > Regards, > ac > Is the process ever 'finished'? I'd say we move freely through them all in the process of living awareness--living awareness. The difference being, one is no longer 'stuck' in any particular one except for as long as necessary to see where one is 'stuck' again. It's a spiral dance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > In my experience, following are the > > things that create human actions: > > > > #1. SENSES: Moving away from immediate > > danger/fear/pain > > > > #2. SENSES: Moving towards immediate pleasure > > > > #3. SENSES: Curiosity - Understanding things around you. > > > > > > #4. KARMA: Immediate Reactivity. Doing what 'you think' > > other has just done to you. Repeating what you have > > heard. > > > > # 5. Unconscious Love: Relating - Socializing, > > connecting with other humans/animals/nature. > > > > #6. Unconscious Love: Creation, Self expression > > > > > > #7. Karma: Habit/conditioning - doing the > > same thing that one has done before in > > the same scenario. Also known as > > character, personality > > > > > > #8. Ego gratification > > > > > > #9. Fear of future pain > > > > #10. Hope of future pleasure > > > > #11. Personal Love - for example love > > for kids, spouse, parents, social group > > or country. > > > > #12. Religion and belief - For example, > > belief in Koran, Bible. > > > > #13. Ideals - for examples, one's stand > > for peace, love, freedom, justice, equality, creativity. > > > > 14. Freedom: Desire to get out of the 'cycle'. > > Desire to know Self > > > > #15. Ideals: Serving Realization, liberation, enlightenment. > > > > #16. Universal Love - Love of 'God', Love > > of creation', love of ALL, Love of the Process > > > > > > In my experience, factors on top of this list > > act far more easily than the ones at the bottom > > and it takes some sort of personal 'evolution' > > and often sustained 'conscious effort' [until > > they become 'natural' i.e. until the mind gets > > 'conditioned' to act that way to move beyond them. > > > > > > What is your experience? > > > > > > Regards, > > ac > > > > > Is the process ever 'finished'? I'd say we move freely through > them all in the process of living awareness--living awareness. > > The difference being, one is no longer 'stuck' in any particular one > except for as long as necessary to see where one is 'stuck' again. > > It's a spiral dance. > They're all One, too. Beyond cause and effect, Beyond motive, intent and Action, beyond effort There is also No motive No action Beyond all Is pure Being All Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > In my experience, following are the > > things that create human actions: > > > > #1. SENSES: Moving away from immediate > > danger/fear/pain > > > > #2. SENSES: Moving towards immediate pleasure > > > > #3. SENSES: Curiosity - Understanding things around you. > > > > > > #4. KARMA: Immediate Reactivity. Doing what 'you think' > > other has just done to you. Unconscious propogation of what you have recieved. Unconscious repeating what you have heard. #5. Attraction of Sex. > > > > # 5. Unconscious Love: Relating - Socializing, > > connecting with other humans/animals/nature. > > > > #6. Unconscious Love: Creation, Self expression > > > > > > #7. Karma: Habit/conditioning - doing the > > same thing that one has done before in > > the same scenario. Also known as > > character, personality > > > > > > #8. Ego gratification > > > > > > #9. Fear of future pain > > > > #10. Hope of future pleasure > > > > #11. Personal Love - for example love > > for kids, spouse, parents, social group > > or country. > > > > #12. Religion and belief - For example, > > belief in Koran, Bible. > > > > #13. Ideals - for examples, one's stand > > for peace, love, freedom, justice, equality, creativity. > > > > 14. Freedom: Desire to get out of the 'cycle'. > > Desire to know Self > > > > #15. Ideals: Serving Realization, liberation, enlightenment. > > > > #16. Universal Love - Love of 'God', Love > > of creation', love of ALL, Love of the Process > > > > > > In my experience, factors on top of this list > > act far more easily than the ones at the bottom > > and it takes some sort of personal 'evolution' > > and often sustained 'conscious effort' [until > > they become 'natural' i.e. until the mind gets > > 'conditioned' to act that way to move beyond them. > > > > > > What is your experience? > > > > > > Regards, > > ac > > > > > Is the process ever 'finished'? 'Finished' as in you have 'learned' to 'live' and 'act' that way and as a consequence, now acting that way is 'ingrained', natural and effortless in you! Of course, the 'option' to 'fall' might remain ALWAYS Open - being the 'human' [at certain level of 'evolution] that we all are! But, acting at one level and [even moving higher] would become much more easier as we have learned and embodied one level well. [...] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > In my experience, following are the > > > things that create human actions: > > > > > > #1. SENSES: Moving away from immediate > > > danger/fear/pain > > > > > > #2. SENSES: Moving towards immediate pleasure > > > > > > #3. SENSES: Curiosity - Understanding things around you. > > > > > > > > > #4. KARMA: Immediate Reactivity. Doing what 'you think' > > > other has just done to you. > > Unconscious propogation of what you have recieved. > > Unconscious repeating what you have heard. > > > #5. Attraction of Sex. > > > > > > > > # 5. Unconscious Love: Relating - Socializing, > > > connecting with other humans/animals/nature. > > > > > > #6. Unconscious Love: Creation, Self expression > > > > > > > > > #7. Karma: Habit/conditioning - doing the > > > same thing that one has done before in > > > the same scenario. Also known as > > > character, personality > > > > > > > > > #8. Ego gratification > > > > > > > > > #9. Fear of future pain > > > > > > #10. Hope of future pleasure > > > > > > #11. Personal Love - for example love > > > for kids, spouse, parents, social group > > > or country. > > > > > > #12. Religion and belief - For example, > > > belief in Koran, Bible. > > > > > > #13. Ideals - for examples, one's stand > > > for peace, love, freedom, justice, equality, creativity. > > > > > > 14. Freedom: Desire to get out of the 'cycle'. > > > Desire to know Self > > > > > > #15. Ideals: Serving Realization, liberation, enlightenment. > > > > > > #16. Universal Love - Love of 'God', Love > > > of creation', love of ALL, Love of the Process > > > > > > > > > In my experience, factors on top of this list > > > act far more easily than the ones at the bottom > > > and it takes some sort of personal 'evolution' > > > and often sustained 'conscious effort' [until > > > they become 'natural' i.e. until the mind gets > > > 'conditioned' to act that way to move beyond them. > > > > > > > > > What is your experience? > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > ac > > > > > > > > > Is the process ever 'finished'? > > 'Finished' as in you have 'learned' > to 'live' and 'act' that way and as > a consequence, now acting that way > is 'ingrained', natural and effortless > in you! > > Of course, the 'option' to 'fall' > might remain ALWAYS Open - being the > 'human' [at certain level of 'evolution] > that we all are! But, acting at one level > and [even moving higher] would become > much more easier as we have learned and > embodied one level well. > > > [...] > There may be no " progress " There may be no " regress " There may be no " learning " Nor " falling " Nor " forgetting " There may just be pure love All the time: Already. One may need but merely to Surrender completely Or even partially To it. Now. Or later. Or never. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > In my experience, following are the > things that create human actions: > > #1. SENSES: Moving away from immediate > danger/fear/pain > > #2. SENSES: Moving towards immediate pleasure > > #3. SENSES: Curiosity - Understanding things around you. > > > #4. KARMA: Immediate Reactivity. Doing what 'you think' > other has just done to you. Repeating what you have > heard. > > # 5. Unconscious Love: Relating - Socializing, > connecting with other humans/animals/nature. > > #6. Unconscious Love: Creation, Self expression > > > #7. Karma: Habit/conditioning - doing the > same thing that one has done before in > the same scenario. Also known as > character, personality > > > #8. Ego gratification > > > #9. Fear of future pain > > #10. Hope of future pleasure > > #11. Personal Love - for example love > for kids, spouse, parents, social group > or country. > > #12. Religion and belief - For example, > belief in Koran, Bible. > > #13. Ideals - for examples, one's stand > for peace, love, freedom, justice, equality, creativity. > > 14. Freedom: Desire to get out of the 'cycle'. > Desire to know Self > > #15. Ideals: Serving Realization, liberation, enlightenment. > > #16. Universal Love - Love of 'God', Love > of creation', love of ALL, Love of the Process > > > In my experience, factors on top of this list > act far more easily than the ones at the bottom > and it takes some sort of personal 'evolution' > and often sustained 'conscious effort' [until > they become 'natural' i.e. until the mind gets > 'conditioned' to act that way to move beyond them. > > > What is your experience? > > > Regards, > ac What motivates you to act? the same motivation as Prisig's: " Why, for example, should a group of simple, stable compounds of carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen struggle for billions of years to organise themselves into a professor of chemistry? What's the motive? " self. there is none other. we should know the motive from which we function, even if our action benefits others. It is important to realise though that examination of our motive for performing an act does not mean we should stop performing the act if we discover that it stems from " wrong motive, " but that we should not pretend the motive is other than it is in reality. self is always 'good' and of 'right motive'. of course it's illusion. Seek neither brilliance nor the void; just think deeply, and work hard. When still, be as the mountain; When in movement, be as the dragon riding the wind. Be aware at all times, like the tiger which only seems to sleep, and at all times let the mind be like running water. if motivated to go to the mountain remember the only sage up there is the one you bring. ..b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 [...] > > if motivated to go to the mountain remember the only sage up there is > the one you bring. That is EXCELLENT, Bob! Greetings, ac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > [...] > > > > > if motivated to go to the mountain remember the only sage up there is > > the one you bring. > > That is EXCELLENT, Bob! > > Greetings, > ac > BE The Beloved that you seek, Here, Now, Always, Forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > if motivated to go to the mountain remember the only sage up there is > > > the one you bring. > > > > That is EXCELLENT, Bob! > > > > Greetings, > > ac > > > > > > BE > > The Beloved > > that you seek, Or, simply BE and SEE 'who' is the Beloved that you seek > > Here, > > Now, > > Always, > > Forever. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > > if motivated to go to the mountain remember the only sage up > there is > > > > the one you bring. > > > > > > That is EXCELLENT, Bob! > > > > > > Greetings, > > > ac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BE > > > > The Beloved > > > > that you seek, > > Or, simply BE > > and SEE 'who' is the Beloved > that you seek > > pretty good! (best not to seek at all!) > > > > > Here, > > > > Now, > > > > Always, > > > > Forever. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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