Guest guest Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 [...] > > To me 'undersatnding' only happens when > > I am able to break something into its > > individual pieces, examine their charcterstics > > and then I am able to " recarete " it either > > in 'memory' or in reality! > > > > Thus, > > > > I neither understand taste of a kiss > > nor the beauty of a flower! > > > > Nor do I 'understand' Awareness... > > > > Time on the other hand, > > is just an 'intellectual' 'concept' > > and thus, [intellectual] 'understanding' > > of it should be entirely possible! > > I disagree. Sure Why not! > > An infant senses time because of the way the brain organizes information, How do " you " know that an 'infant' senses 'time'??? It is my experience, that I can long for touch, feel, love, safety without having to " compare " two different instances of time! i.e. I can 'long " now... I can want to touch, feel, love, cuddle now... I can feel sexy, " sexual " now... Pretty much as I can feel 'thirsty', 'hungry' now! A travel down the time lane is not always required to do so. > before " the intellect " has been organized to ponder > abstract concepts or complex verbal information. I am not sure if such a " developed " intellect is required to feel longing or to want to parental love touch or parental protection! > > An infant can have anxiety about separation because the infant > remembers the parent who has left the room. Sure, an infant does have 'memory', doesn't it? Yet, it is my experience that in order to long for touch, travel down the memory is not required... [pretty much as the memory of food is not essential to know that one is 'hungry']! > This remembering isn't > occurring " intellectually " - and is emotional and nonverbal. Please see above. Further, I assume that you too think that infant does have " intellect " irrespctive of how well or less 'developed' it might be. Don't you? [...] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > > > An infant senses time because of > the way the brain organizes > information, > > How do " you " know that an 'infant' > senses 'time'??? By using memory and thought. > It is my experience, that I can long > for touch, feel, love, safety without > having to " compare " two different instances > of time! > > i.e. I can 'long " now... > I can want to touch, feel, love, cuddle now... > > I can feel sexy, " sexual " now... > > Pretty much as I can feel 'thirsty', > 'hungry' now! A travel down the time > lane is not always required to do so. To me, memory is involved in these things. I think we are using " memory " differently. You are using it for the conscious information-processing of memory that occurs in the forebrain of an individual. I am using " memory " more inclusively -- to include that kind of memory, but also to include more basic memory patterns. Including the memory pattern used to differentiate warm from cold, pleasure from pain. And that memory pattern kicks in when you decide who is attractive to you as a sexual partner, or what kind of shelter is attractive as a place to feel warm, or whether you'd rather sleep on the bed or the floor. Not thought out, not intellectual, but memory just the same. You and I may disagree on this point. I am aware that I'm using memory in a way that you may not think is valid. Can a cell have memory, that it uses to take in nutrients and discard toxins? Is that template, which is inherited genetically I suppose, a form of memory? Well, I'm using the word that way, because it makes sense to me. Maybe it doesn't make sense to anyone else. If not, I guess I better stop talking like this! > > before " the intellect " has been organized to ponder > > abstract concepts or complex verbal information. > > I am not sure if such a " developed " > intellect is required to feel longing > or to want to parental love touch or > parental protection! Right. That's what I'm saying, that intellect isn't required, but that memory is involved. Memory is involved in recognizing the parent as parent, or a touch as loving vs. unloving. From my perspective, we are born with memory already active, from the moment of birth on. > > An infant can have anxiety about separation because the infant > > remembers the parent who has left the room. > > Sure, an infant does have 'memory', > doesn't it? > > Yet, it is my experience that in order > to long for touch, travel down the memory > is not required... Yes, we are differing on this point. > [pretty much > as the memory of food is not essential to > know that one is 'hungry']! I would see hunger as involving memory, although nonverbal, and although inherited rather than learned from experience. But, with no memory, there wouldn't be any way to seek out food. > > This remembering isn't > > occurring " intellectually " - and is emotional and nonverbal. > > Please see above. > > Further, I assume that you too > think that infant does have > " intellect " irrespctive of how well > or less 'developed' it might be. > Don't you? Well, I tend to view intellect as forebrain activity. So, the infant probably has some rudimentary intellectual functioning beginning to occur. But I am using memory in a more inclusive way, to include even cellular functions, and to include things like seeking food when hungry, recognizing someone who provides warmth as a protector. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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