Guest guest Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 whoever is writing in here....with " effort " ....with a working mind and intellect..... risc to miss him/her real Self....again.....and again Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66 wrote: > > > > whoever is writing in here....with " effort " ....with a working mind and > intellect..... > > risc to miss him/her real Self....again.....and again > > Marc > Good to know, Marc, Thank you so much. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > whoever is writing in here....with " effort " ....with a working mind > and > > intellect..... > > > > risc to miss him/her real Self....again.....and again > > > > Marc > > > > > Good to know, Marc, > > Thank you so much. > > Werner what is the reason ...trying with much effort.....explaining imaginary others......about own effortlessness reached.....?.... ....except madness of mind Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > whoever is writing in here....with " effort " ....with a working > mind > > and > > > intellect..... > > > > > > risc to miss him/her real Self....again.....and again > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Good to know, Marc, > > > > Thank you so much. > > > > Werner > > > > what is the reason ...trying with much effort.....explaining > imaginary others......about own effortlessness reached.....?.... > > ...except madness of mind > > Marc > My imaginary Mar, No one here tried to explain others about own effortlessness reached. We just had some exchange that effortlessness isn't the cause of letting go. Happy Selfing, Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <tuvalu66@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whoever is writing in here....with " effort " ....with a working > > mind > > > and > > > > intellect..... > > > > > > > > risc to miss him/her real Self....again.....and again > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good to know, Marc, > > > > > > Thank you so much. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > what is the reason ...trying with much effort.....explaining > > imaginary others......about own effortlessness reached.....?.... > > > > ...except madness of mind > > > > Marc > > > > > My imaginary Mar, > > No one here tried to explain others about own effortlessness reached. > > We just had some exchange that effortlessness isn't the cause of > letting go. > > Happy Selfing, > > Werner ok then....Werner.... however.....there is no choice about " effortlessness " ..... it depend on the state of the mind.... a clear mind don't feel that something take effort or not a restless mind feel that everything take much effort.... no escape for a restless mind maybe about " letting go... " .....it's same... means...it depend on the mind too.... Marc Ps: heart...means, inner love....is only possible door the mind can open....in order to get out of prison..... to get out of mind-slavery > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whoever is writing in here....with " effort " ....with a working > > > mind > > > > and > > > > > intellect..... > > > > > > > > > > risc to miss him/her real Self....again.....and again > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good to know, Marc, > > > > > > > > Thank you so much. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > what is the reason ...trying with much effort.....explaining > > > imaginary others......about own effortlessness reached.....?.... > > > > > > ...except madness of mind > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > My imaginary Mar, > > > > No one here tried to explain others about own effortlessness > reached. > > > > We just had some exchange that effortlessness isn't the cause of > > letting go. > > > > Happy Selfing, > > > > Werner > > > ok then....Werner.... > > however.....there is no choice about " effortlessness " ..... That makes sense, Marc, I too told this to Stefan that one cannot chose to be effortless. > > it depend on the state of the mind.... > > a clear mind don't feel that something take effort or not > a restless mind feel that everything take much effort.... A " clear mind " is an ideal. Do you feed and rely on idesls, Marc ? > > no escape for a restless mind Yes, a restless mind is seeking release and peace. The restless mind again is striving to reach an ideal .. but ideals never are a solution. > > > maybe about " letting go... " .....it's same... > > means...it depend on the mind too.... If your sexy girl friend run away and you are so damn missing her, I promise you, Marc, that's a great opportunity to study a restless mind No ideal and no philosophy will quickly help you out of that dilemma. Werner > > > Marc > > > Ps: heart...means, inner love....is only possible door the mind can > open....in order to get out of prison..... > to get out of mind-slavery > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <tuvalu66@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whoever is writing in here....with " effort " ....with a > working > > > > mind > > > > > and > > > > > > intellect..... > > > > > > > > > > > > risc to miss him/her real Self....again.....and again > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good to know, Marc, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you so much. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is the reason ...trying with much effort.....explaining > > > > imaginary others......about own effortlessness reached.....?.... > > > > > > > > ...except madness of mind > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > My imaginary Mar, > > > > > > No one here tried to explain others about own effortlessness > > reached. > > > > > > We just had some exchange that effortlessness isn't the cause of > > > letting go. > > > > > > Happy Selfing, > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > ok then....Werner.... > > > > however.....there is no choice about " effortlessness " ..... > > > That makes sense, Marc, > I too told this to Stefan that one cannot chose to be effortless. -yes > > > > > > it depend on the state of the mind.... > > > > a clear mind don't feel that something take effort or not > > a restless mind feel that everything take much effort.... > > > A " clear mind " is an ideal. Do you feed and rely on idesls, Marc ? -oh Werner....i once was an idealist.....maybe like many young people are..... idealism is often in connection with the big appearing " world " ....about to " make something better....than before.... " .... " saving the world.... " ....and other fabuloes dreams.... but then....i think and feel.....idealism is more about the inner world......i prefer to feel " free " ....from top to bottom......in whole of body......just letting the energy flow....freely... ....then....when i feel It..... " the world " is just fine..... in fact.... " the world " is a nice dream....then and so....the mind is " clear " .....and so, no subject of " effortlessness " is of thoughts..... > > > > > > no escape for a restless mind > > > Yes, a restless mind is seeking release and peace. The restless mind > again is striving to reach an ideal .. but ideals never are a > solution. yes....when ideals are in relation to the outside world > > > > > > > > maybe about " letting go... " .....it's same... > > > > means...it depend on the mind too.... > > > If your sexy girl friend run away and you are so damn missing her, I > promise you, Marc, that's a great opportunity to study a restless > mind > > No ideal and no philosophy will quickly help you out of that dilemma. -yes....got in contact with all this emotional problems....don't worry... the reason....again....to look inside....instead outside.... then...one day......it's no more possible to " fall in love " ......means, being lost....in an imaginary outside world and fiction.... Marc > > Werner > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: heart...means, inner love....is only possible door the mind can > > open....in order to get out of prison..... > > to get out of mind-slavery > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whoever is writing in here....with " effort " ....with a > > working > > > > > mind > > > > > > and > > > > > > > intellect..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > risc to miss him/her real Self....again.....and again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good to know, Marc, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you so much. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is the reason ...trying with much effort.....explaining > > > > > imaginary others......about own effortlessness > reached.....?.... > > > > > > > > > > ...except madness of mind > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My imaginary Mar, > > > > > > > > No one here tried to explain others about own effortlessness > > > reached. > > > > > > > > We just had some exchange that effortlessness isn't the cause > of > > > > letting go. > > > > > > > > Happy Selfing, > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > ok then....Werner.... > > > > > > however.....there is no choice about " effortlessness " ..... > > > > > > That makes sense, Marc, > > I too told this to Stefan that one cannot chose to be effortless. > > -yes > > > > > > > > > > it depend on the state of the mind.... > > > > > > a clear mind don't feel that something take effort or not > > > a restless mind feel that everything take much effort.... > > > > > > A " clear mind " is an ideal. Do you feed and rely on idesls, Marc ? > > -oh Werner....i once was an idealist.....maybe like many young people > are..... > > idealism is often in connection with the big > appearing " world " ....about to " make something better....than > before.... " .... " saving the world.... " ....and other fabuloes dreams.... > Yes, Marc, we are brought up that way, > but then....i think and feel.....idealism is more about the inner > world......i prefer to feel " free " ....from top to bottom......in > whole of body......just letting the energy flow....freely... > I wish you good luck with that " inner world " . It definitely pomises less pain and conflicts and liberates you fromt that very arduous endeavor to understand yourself and life and what is. I really can understand that the mind rather prefers to escape inito a promising dreamworld than to undertand why it suffers and lives in conflict. > ...then....when i feel It..... " the world " is just fine..... > in fact.... " the world " is a nice dream....then > > and so....the mind is " clear " .....and so, no subject > of " effortlessness " is of thoughts..... Why not pass yourself to morphine or some happy pills ? I can imagine it it just what you are longimg for Werner > > > > > > > > > > no escape for a restless mind > > > > > > Yes, a restless mind is seeking release and peace. The restless > mind > > again is striving to reach an ideal .. but ideals never are a > > solution. > > yes....when ideals are in relation to the outside world > > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe about " letting go... " .....it's same... > > > > > > means...it depend on the mind too.... > > > > > > If your sexy girl friend run away and you are so damn missing her, > I > > promise you, Marc, that's a great opportunity to study a restless > > mind > > > > No ideal and no philosophy will quickly help you out of that > dilemma. > > -yes....got in contact with all this emotional problems....don't > worry... > > the reason....again....to look inside....instead outside.... > > then...one day......it's no more possible to " fall in > love " ......means, being lost....in an imaginary outside world and > fiction.... > > > > Marc > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Ps: heart...means, inner love....is only possible door the mind > can > > > open....in order to get out of prison..... > > > to get out of mind-slavery > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <tuvalu66@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > <wwoehr@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <tuvalu66@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whoever is writing in here....with " effort " ....with a > > > working > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > intellect..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > risc to miss him/her real Self....again.....and again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good to know, Marc, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you so much. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is the reason ...trying with much > effort.....explaining > > > > > > imaginary others......about own effortlessness > > reached.....?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > ...except madness of mind > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My imaginary Mar, > > > > > > > > > > No one here tried to explain others about own effortlessness > > > > reached. > > > > > > > > > > We just had some exchange that effortlessness isn't the cause > > of > > > > > letting go. > > > > > > > > > > Happy Selfing, > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > ok then....Werner.... > > > > > > > > however.....there is no choice about " effortlessness " ..... > > > > > > > > > That makes sense, Marc, > > > I too told this to Stefan that one cannot chose to be effortless. > > > > -yes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it depend on the state of the mind.... > > > > > > > > a clear mind don't feel that something take effort or not > > > > a restless mind feel that everything take much effort.... > > > > > > > > > A " clear mind " is an ideal. Do you feed and rely on idesls, Marc ? > > > > -oh Werner....i once was an idealist.....maybe like many young > people > > are..... > > > > idealism is often in connection with the big > > appearing " world " ....about to " make something better....than > > before.... " .... " saving the world.... " ....and other fabuloes > dreams.... > > > > > Yes, Marc, we are brought up that way, > > > > but then....i think and feel.....idealism is more about the inner > > world......i prefer to feel " free " ....from top to bottom......in > > whole of body......just letting the energy flow....freely... > > > > I wish you good luck with that " inner world " . It definitely pomises > less pain and conflicts and liberates you fromt that very arduous > endeavor to understand yourself and life and what is. I really can > understand that the mind rather prefers to escape inito a promising > dreamworld than to undertand why it suffers and lives in conflict. the " conflict " ....persist....as long there is ego- mind....persisting...... i think that your Guru J. Krishnamurti talked tonnes about it.... > > > > ...then....when i feel It..... " the world " is just fine..... > > in fact.... " the world " is a nice dream....then > > > > and so....the mind is " clear " .....and so, no subject > > of " effortlessness " is of thoughts..... > > > Why not pass yourself to morphine or some happy pills ? I can imagine > it it just what you are longimg for .....you don't understand..... don't need to take anything.....to be happy.... thats not an ideal....but a fact > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no escape for a restless mind > > > > > > > > > Yes, a restless mind is seeking release and peace. The restless > > mind > > > again is striving to reach an ideal .. but ideals never are a > > > solution. > > > > yes....when ideals are in relation to the outside world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe about " letting go... " .....it's same... > > > > > > > > means...it depend on the mind too.... > > > > > > > > > If your sexy girl friend run away and you are so damn missing > her, > > I > > > promise you, Marc, that's a great opportunity to study a restless > > > mind > > > > > > No ideal and no philosophy will quickly help you out of that > > dilemma. > > > > -yes....got in contact with all this emotional problems....don't > > worry... > > > > the reason....again....to look inside....instead outside.... > > > > then...one day......it's no more possible to " fall in > > love " ......means, being lost....in an imaginary outside world and > > fiction.... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: heart...means, inner love....is only possible door the mind > > can > > > > open....in order to get out of prison..... > > > > to get out of mind-slavery > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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