Guest guest Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 In our default mode of functioning, we humans are almost exclusively driven by our personal need to avoid suffering and seek pleasure. In this mode, we are ruled primarily by fear and greed and then, by… frustration and disappointment! And, further, in this mode, everything is very " personal " to us! I am simply asking to SEE that we are here because of the 'flow of life' and what ever we do becomes part of the 'flow of life' and even when we die we become a part of the 'flow of life' as particle that made our body take another form, and, people that we met, talked to, have any relationship with, the plants that we planted or plucked, buildings that we built or demolished… continue! They all get " touched " by us in one or the other way and they continue in one form or the other. I am simply asking to become Aware of this Simple and readily Available Reality and use it to direct our thoughts, words and actions! As we can see, the universe, the Life continually evolves. It becomes more and more Aware, more and more Conscious, more and more Intelligent and also more Complex! I will argue that, that is THE Direction of Life! That is where and how it is moving and we are a 'node' [among countless other nodes] that enables Life to flow, learn, adapt, build and grow! And, whatever we do… becomes part of the Life! This way, whatever we do ultimately it is " by " Life and " for " Life Only! Even when we do something that causes HURT to us or someone else… Life learns 'what not to do'! We make it unnecessarily more 'complex', 'personal' and painful by trying to think that it is for " me " ! I am asking, can we change our perspective and see what we think and do… in terms of Life itself and SEE how can it possibly affect Life irrespective of what it means to " me " ! And, be sure that even if we fail… Life will know 'what doesn't work'… which means ultimately we didn't 'fail' because Life learnt a valuable lesson! What is little personal suffering, If it can teach Life... 'what not to do'??? Said another way, God is the Ultimate Doer and God is the Ultimate Recipient! Can we work by surrendering fruits of our actions to God Alone… i.e. what I do is for the purpose of Life alone… I am just a medium through it happens… I am neither the real doer nor the real benefactor; yet, I am Very Conscious and willing Participant and I do it all of my own " choosing " ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 AC - I like what you wrote below. I agree that our usual mode is to get rid of or avoid suffering, and try to have pleasure and happiness. Life, as it is, moves through all states equally. Pleasure, suffering, boredom, excitement, equanimity. All-inclusive, an undivided movement. It seems to me that life, being undivided and indivisbile, is indeed without direction. It is our thinking that requires and involves directionality, and views things in terms of evolution, devolution, birth, survival, death. One being aware without the application of thought to " what is " finds life indivisible. Its only movement is through itself, so to speak, as there is no other, no outside. Its movement is without motion; it is still and yet not fixed or static. When I describe this in words, thought enters in. It isn't possible to convey what is beyond thought by using words. Yet words are how we communicate -- we live, and an aspect of our human life is our communicating. So, I offer these words, limited though they certainly are. Be well -- -- Dan Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > In our default mode of functioning, we > humans are almost exclusively driven by > our personal need to avoid suffering > and seek pleasure. In this mode, we > are ruled primarily by fear and greed > and then, by… frustration and > disappointment! And, further, in this > mode, everything is very " personal " to > us! > > I am simply asking to SEE that we are > here because of the 'flow of life' and > what ever we do becomes part of the > 'flow of life' and even when we die we > become a part of the 'flow of life' as > particle that made our body take > another form, and, people that we met, > talked to, have any relationship with, > the plants that we planted or plucked, > buildings that we built or demolished… > continue! They all get " touched " by us > in one or the other way and they > continue in one form or the other. I am > simply asking to become Aware of this > Simple and readily Available Reality > and use it to direct our thoughts, > words and actions! > > As we can see, the universe, the Life > continually evolves. It becomes more > and more Aware, more and more > Conscious, more and more Intelligent > and also more Complex! I will argue > that, that is THE Direction of Life! > That is where and how it is moving and > we are a 'node' [among countless other > nodes] that enables Life to flow, > learn, adapt, build and grow! > > And, whatever we do… becomes part of > the Life! > > This way, whatever we do ultimately it > is " by " Life and " for " Life Only! Even > when we do something that causes HURT > to us or someone else… Life learns > 'what not to do'! We make it > unnecessarily more 'complex', > 'personal' and painful by trying to > think that it is for " me " ! > > I am asking, can we change our > perspective and see what we think and > do… in terms of Life itself and SEE how > can it possibly affect Life > irrespective of what it means to " me " ! > > And, be sure that even if we fail… Life > will know 'what doesn't work'… which > means ultimately we didn't 'fail' > because Life learnt a valuable lesson! > > What is little personal suffering, > If it can teach Life... 'what not to do'??? > > Said another way, God is the Ultimate > Doer and God is the Ultimate Recipient! > Can we work by surrendering fruits of > our actions to God Alone… i.e. what I > do is for the purpose of Life alone… I > am just a medium through it happens… I > am neither the real doer nor the real > benefactor; yet, I am Very Conscious > and willing Participant and I do it all > of my own " choosing " ! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > AC - > > I like what you wrote below. Thank you, Dan! > I agree that our usual mode is to get > rid of or avoid suffering, and try to have pleasure and happiness. Sure… I think it is quite apparent from " childhood " itself! Yet, in many cases, as children, we are led to take the path of 'resistance' [through suffering] - such as studies of Calculus and Algebra which many children don't find immediately 'comfortable'. Yet, pursuing these paths often leads to a 'stronger', more capable individual and the society gets benefited too. To a large extent, physical exercise, learning to play professional sports or professional music too involves taking the path with [initial] 'resistance'! My guess is that if left to 'drift' towards the path of least resistance [least immediate suffering], many more children might end up diabetic, fat as well as drug-addicts, criminals and might end up harming themselves and the society. However, we do this 'resistance training' either because we are forced as children to do so all in the " hope " of some 'personal' pleasure and avoidance of 'future' personal suffering after we grow up. I am asking, what if we gave up need of personal happiness, avoidance of personal suffering - started acting simply because we see certain actions towards growth, evolution, peace, prosperity and health! What if we took the idea of " me " out of acting and did it simply because our we consider our action " good " for life at Large! > > Life, as it is, moves through all states equally. I am not sure about " equally " . > Pleasure, > suffering, boredom, excitement, equanimity. All-inclusive, an > undivided movement. I am not sure about that also. > > It seems to me that life, being undivided and indivisbile, is indeed > without direction. Neither am I sure about that. My sense of direction comes from observing as I see the overall " growth " in Life/Universe at many scales. > > It is our thinking that requires and involves directionality, and > views things in terms of evolution, devolution, birth, survival, death. I consider " thinking " too to be part of Life and its " growth " and 'evolution'. > > One being aware without the application of thought to " what is " finds > life indivisible. Of course… > > Its only movement is through itself, so to speak, as there is no > other, no outside. > > Its movement is without motion; it is still and yet not fixed or static. Yes, I can SEE it that way… Yet, I can also SEE it grow as my son and in countless other 'forms'! One doesn't deny… the Other! > > When I describe this in words, thought enters in. And, that is fine. Thought grows from Same Life and it carries the 'power' of… same Life! > > It isn't possible to convey what is beyond thought by using words. That which is the SOURCE of thought and everything else is certainly grander than thought… yet, it can be 'described' simply because there is Nothing Else and because " each " recipient of words is intimately Aware of it at one or other Level! > > Yet words are how we communicate -- we live, and an aspect of our > human life is our communicating. Sure… > > So, I offer these words, limited though they certainly are. 'Limited' yet, they are " enough " Because, only a pointer is necessary! When talking about God/essence/What_Is/This/Truth, you are not trying to " give " me [on anyone else] a new idea about something that I [or others] don't ALREADY Intimately Know! Each of us can Intimately feel that and each of us are Ultimately expression of IT - thus words no mater how 'limited' they might seem - are still Enough! > > Be well -- > > -- Dan Regards, Ac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 Great stuff! I understand you now. :-) Silver Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > In our default mode of functioning, we > humans are almost exclusively driven by > our personal need to avoid suffering > and seek pleasure. In this mode, we > are ruled primarily by fear and greed > and then, by… frustration and > disappointment! And, further, in this > mode, everything is very " personal " to > us! > > I am simply asking to SEE that we are > here because of the 'flow of life' and > what ever we do becomes part of the > 'flow of life' and even when we die we > become a part of the 'flow of life' as > particle that made our body take > another form, and, people that we met, > talked to, have any relationship with, > the plants that we planted or plucked, > buildings that we built or demolished… > continue! They all get " touched " by us > in one or the other way and they > continue in one form or the other. I am > simply asking to become Aware of this > Simple and readily Available Reality > and use it to direct our thoughts, > words and actions! > > As we can see, the universe, the Life > continually evolves. It becomes more > and more Aware, more and more > Conscious, more and more Intelligent > and also more Complex! I will argue > that, that is THE Direction of Life! > That is where and how it is moving and > we are a 'node' [among countless other > nodes] that enables Life to flow, > learn, adapt, build and grow! > > And, whatever we do… becomes part of > the Life! > > This way, whatever we do ultimately it > is " by " Life and " for " Life Only! Even > when we do something that causes HURT > to us or someone else… Life learns > 'what not to do'! We make it > unnecessarily more 'complex', > 'personal' and painful by trying to > think that it is for " me " ! > > I am asking, can we change our > perspective and see what we think and > do… in terms of Life itself and SEE how > can it possibly affect Life > irrespective of what it means to " me " ! > > And, be sure that even if we fail… Life > will know 'what doesn't work'… which > means ultimately we didn't 'fail' > because Life learnt a valuable lesson! > > What is little personal suffering, > If it can teach Life... 'what not to do'??? > > Said another way, God is the Ultimate > Doer and God is the Ultimate Recipient! > Can we work by surrendering fruits of > our actions to God Alone… i.e. what I > do is for the purpose of Life alone… I > am just a medium through it happens… I > am neither the real doer nor the real > benefactor; yet, I am Very Conscious > and willing Participant and I do it all > of my own " choosing " ! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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