Who was I . . . ?

February 12, 2007

Why did I come to spirituality?

Because, somebody (Osho) told me that

there was such thing as Enlightenment

(Eternal Happiness: End of Suffering.)

Why did I believe Osho?

- Because he said religion lies and I

had in fact, seen religion lie to me.

- He said parents are ignorant. He said

parents are conditioned to say and

promise things that they have

absolutely no idea about.

And, I had found that my father had in

fact, told me things that he had no

idea of!

- He told me about meditation and

meditation did in fact work as he said

it would.

Did I get Enlightened?

Yes, I did.

What happened after I got enlightened?

I became just [my]Self.

Who was I before I before I got

enlightened?

I was [my] Self but,... I believed in

many other things:

- I was pre 'conditioned' to wait

for a 'better' future.

- I was pre 'conditioned' to look

for 'God'.

- I was pre 'conditioned' to look

for happiness in things, in sex, in

possession.

- I was pre 'conditioned' to believe

in my own 'lack' - and, to look for

someone/something [including 'God'] to

complete me.

- And, lettle later, I was pre 'conditioned'

to look for 'enlightenemnt', 'salvation',

'nirvana', 'mukti'!

What happened after I got 'enlightened'?

I was just me without any such belief!

February 12, 2007

[...]

> What happened after I got enlightened?

>

> I became just [my]Self.

>

> Who was I before I before I got

> enlightened?

>

> I was [my] Self but,... I believed in

> many other things:

>

> - I was pre 'conditioned' to wait

> for a 'better' future.

>

> - I was pre 'conditioned' to look

> for 'God'.

>

> - I was pre 'conditioned' to look

> for happiness in things, in sex, in

> possession.

>

> - I was pre 'conditioned' to believe

> in my own 'lack' - and, to look for

> someone/something [including 'God'] to

> complete me.

>

> - And, lettle later, I was pre 'conditioned'

> to look for 'enlightenemnt', 'salvation',

> 'nirvana', 'mukti'!

- I was pre 'conditioned' to look for

'control'.

- I was pre 'conditioned' to eternally compare

this world with a 'better' world, this

wife with a 'better' wife, this father

with a 'better' father, this society

with a 'better' society, this manager

with a 'better' manager, this situation

with a 'better' situation… this " me "

with a 'better' me!

And, then you got 'enlightened'???

Yes.

Does that mean you are free from

'suffering'?

No.

Does that mean that you live in

eternal happiness?

No.

Does that mean that you have Perfect,

infallible Knowledge?

No.

What does it mean then?

It means... This is IT!

>

> What happened after I got 'enlightened'?

>

> I was just my[self] sans any such belief!

>

February 13, 2007

[...]

> And, then you got 'enlightened'???

> Yes.

>

> Does that mean you are free from

> 'suffering'?

> No.

>

> Does that mean that you live in

> eternal happiness?

> No.

>

> Does that mean that you have Perfect,

> infallible Knowledge?

> No.

>

> What does it mean then?

> It means... This is IT!

>

What do you really mean by " this is it " ?

It means...

It is What it is - call it

'enlightenment' or enlightenment,

liberation or enslavement, suffering or

happiness! Reality is as it Is!

You mean one can not escape from it?

Where will go - by escaping Reality???

February 13, 2007

[...]

> >

>

> What do you really mean by " this is it " ?

>

> It means...

>

> It is What it is - call it

> 'enlightenment' or unenlightenment,

> liberation or enslavement, suffering or

> happiness! Reality is as it Is!

>

> You mean one can not escape from it?

>

> Where will go - by escaping Reality???

>

But, Reality can be depressing?

Reality is as it is. Depression is a

product of thinking.

But, is not thinking too part of

Reality?

It sure is - as is Fire! Use it one

way it can burn your house. Use it

other way it can cook your food and

warm you up in the cold night. It is

simple mechanics and simple law of

nature.

Use thinking one way and it can create

depression, fear, and anxiety. Use it

other way and it can create ecstasy,

elation and joy.

But, isn't reality defined as freedom

from thinking?

There is no 'freedom' from thinking as

there is no 'freedom' from fire! It is

not required. But, you can learn which

way it hurts and which way it doesn't

and thus, learn to use it better. And,

again, that is a simple mechanics and

it is not necessarily to be spiritual,

religious or enlightened in order to

observe and understand it.

February 13, 2007

[...]

> But, Reality can be depressing?

>

> Reality is as it is. Depression is a

> product of a particular of thinking.

>

> But, is not thinking too part of

> Reality?

>

> It sure is - as is Fire! Use it one

> way it can burn your house. Use it

> other way it can cook your food and

> warm you up in the cold night. It is

> simple mechanics and simple law of

> nature.

>

> Use thinking one way and it can create

> depression, fear, and anxiety. Use it

> other way and it can create ecstasy,

> elation and joy.

>

> But, isn't reality defined as freedom

> from thinking?

>

> There is no 'freedom' from thinking as

> there is no 'freedom' from fire! It is

> not required. But, you can learn which

> way it hurts and which way it doesn't

> and thus, learn to use it better. And,

> again, that is a simple mechanics and

> it is not necessarily need to be spiritual,

> religious or enlightened in order to

> observe and understand it.

>

What does this enlightenment buy you

then?

Cessation of thinking - ability to

stay 'Awake' without thinking

So, if you are 'not thinking' - you

are equal to Buddha?

Without thinking there is no " me " , no

" you', no concept of equality or

inequality and... No 'concept'

of Buddha!

February 15, 2007

I liked your posting,

just one thing I would like to comment...

>Use thinking one way and it can create

>depression, fear, and anxiety. Use it

>other way and it can create ecstasy,

>elation and joy.

is it really possible to chose between

depression - ecstasy

fear - elation

anxiety - joy?

>But, you can learn which

>way it hurts and which way it doesn't

>and thus, learn to use it better. And,

>again, that is a simple mechanics and

>it is not necessarily to be spiritual,

>religious or enlightened in order to

>observe and understand it.

in my understanding...

thinking cannot be used

the " user " is a conglomerate of thoughts

therefor thinking using thinking

is like a cat biting its tail

to use thinking

cannot lead to no-thinking

no-thinking means not to be the user

Stefan

Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

<adithya_comming wrote:

....

February 15, 2007

Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote:

>

> I liked your posting,

> just one thing I would like to comment...

>

> >Use thinking one way and it can create

> >depression, fear, and anxiety. Use it

> >other way and it can create ecstasy,

> >elation and joy.

> is it really possible to chose between

> depression - ecstasy

> fear - elation

> anxiety - joy?

no choice. all of these are in some way or another pleasing to the

experience of experiencing itself. everything is not at all what it

seems to the 'selfish' mind of the tricky monkey. questions and

answers are themselves one of the monkey's favorite antics, whereby it

convinces itself that it is really accomplishing something in the

process. i guess rats on spinning wheels or in impossible mazes

'think' the same stupid thing as well.

> >But, you can learn which

> >way it hurts and which way it doesn't

> >and thus, learn to use it better. And,

> >again, that is a simple mechanics and

> >it is not necessarily to be spiritual,

> >religious or enlightened in order to

> >observe and understand it.

>

> in my understanding...

> thinking cannot be used

> the " user " is a conglomerate of thoughts

> therefor thinking using thinking

> is like a cat biting its tail

your 'understanding' is the very 'thinking' thing that you say is of

no use by any 'user'. this being your 'thought' on 'things'...how can

you seriously make the above statement? everything in the universe of

man and thought is like a cat biting it's own tail. there is no

possible escape from this aspect of the phenomenal and phantom world

known to this planet-grade, bipedal, featherless member of the family

homo sapiens. it's silly to think otherwise.

> to use thinking

> cannot lead to no-thinking

> no-thinking means not to be the user

>

> Stefan

no...... thinking or NOT thinking have NO meaning, and neither one

leads to anything beyond it's own self limiting boundaries. this quest

for, or belief in, 'meaning' in any action or idea is delusion.

om tat sat.

..b bobji baba

> Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

> <adithya_comming@> wrote:

> ...

>

February 15, 2007

Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111

wrote:

(Stefan:)

>>in my understanding...

>>thinking cannot be used

>>the " user " is a conglomerate of thoughts

>>in my understanding...

>>thinking cannot be used

>>therefor thinking using thinking

>>is like a cat biting its tail

>your 'understanding' is the very 'thinking' thing that you say is of

>no use by any 'user'. this being your 'thought' on 'things'...how can

>you seriously make the above statement? everything in the universe of

>man and thought is like a cat biting it's own tail. there is no

>possible escape from this aspect of the phenomenal and phantom world

>known to this planet-grade, bipedal, featherless member of the family

>homo sapiens. it's silly to think otherwise.

exactly.

therefor I find it futile

to maintain the concept of a user (or thinker)

my " understanding " is part of it all

just along with everything else

you say it: there is no escape

so, why go on to discussing

possible ways to escape?

Stefan

February 15, 2007

Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> wrote:

>

> (Stefan:)

> >>in my understanding...

> >>thinking cannot be used

> >>the " user " is a conglomerate of thoughts

> >>in my understanding...

> >>thinking cannot be used

> >>therefor thinking using thinking

> >>is like a cat biting its tail

>

> >your 'understanding' is the very 'thinking' thing that you say is of

> >no use by any 'user'. this being your 'thought' on 'things'...how can

> >you seriously make the above statement? everything in the universe of

> >man and thought is like a cat biting it's own tail. there is no

> >possible escape from this aspect of the phenomenal and phantom world

> >known to this planet-grade, bipedal, featherless member of the family

> >homo sapiens. it's silly to think otherwise.

>

> exactly.

> therefor I find it futile

> to maintain the concept of a user (or thinker)

> my " understanding " is part of it all

> just along with everything else

>

> you say it: there is no escape

> so, why go on to discussing

> possible ways to escape?

>

> Stefan

.. ;-)

.. well shut my mouth! 'my' mouth is sealed.

.. .b b.b.

February 16, 2007

Hi

anyone can tell me about a single person of Nisargadatta maharaaj kind of

teacher in present world.live.eager to meet him Help anybody if anybody

knows where i can find.