'End of Karma'

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>>Are you absolutely sure you decide

where thoughts come from?

 

Thoughts come from what we read,

what we see, what we hear, from the feeling of thirst,

hunger, libido, sexual attraction, fear,

from what we feel of our surroundings, what we

experience from other sense… and, most

of the times they simply come from the Past Memory!

 

[ Have you ever had a thought which doesn't have

Its [direct or indirect] " root " in one of these? ]

 

 

 

When you remain attentive and aware; you get to choose

which thought [from many possibilities] - when you are

am not attentive 'unconscious' mind takes the easiest

path possible which usually means paying as little

attention to the present as possible and trying interpret

and 'respond' to the present based on experiences in the past.

This is what is called acting your 'conditioning', acting

your 'karma' - and. This is why beginning of Conscious

Attention means 'End of Karma'!

 

 

 

 

>>Katie describes thoughts as raindrops... they just show up.

 

Raindrops too have a source in water, heat, air and gravity!

They don't just show up!

 

 

 

>>If they cause us stress, we can investigate them.

 

Stress is just another " thought " about a " thought " !

 

Like other 'unconscious' thought stress too comes because

of lack of Awareness! It is the result of the 'unconscious mind'

trying to " repeat " the same thing that it has done in past in

these situations! It happens because of our Absence!

It happens because we are NOT present to Consciously

SEE, Think and Act in Present!

 

 

 

 

>>Or not. It seems to me as

if the mind were an amazing waystation rather than a creator of

anything.

 

I see it other way around:

 

Ultimately, mind is the creator of everything that we feel

experience and think!

 

 

>>Most of the best discoveries, the most creative works of art,

happen in a " no mind " state... and that state can't be manufactured!

 

I know that is an extremely " popular " thing to say in

the " spiritual " circuit!

 

But, have you ever wondered why those " discoveries " have almost

always occurred only to those who were 'expert' in their respective

fields??? Why scientific discoveries have occurred to folks like

Einstein and musical discoveries have occurred to folks like Mozart?

 

 

>>Those who describe this state often say it is something that " just

happens. "

 

It is just like vapor - after heating water; vapor 'just happens'!

We just heat the water; we don't have to 'make' the vapor!

 

 

No " new " thought can come by 'thinking through memory'

and, all our 'linear thinking' is 'thinking through memory'!

 

 

Yes, Silence does open a " portal " through which fresh,

new thoughts appear! But, Silence is not same as 'unconscious

thinking' - if anything, it is exact opposite of it!

 

 

 

>>Any kind of " control " we think we have over anything (thoughts

included) seems very temporary.

 

It is not about " control " !

 

It is about being Available [Conscious, Aware and Attentive]

to the Moment and Acting with Awareness! It simply means

being Awake to the Present and not act as if in 'half sleep'!

 

Consciousness is only responsibility - not " control " !

 

 

 

 

>>I like how Ramana Maharshi describes this:

 

>> " Investigate the nature of the mind and it will disappear.

 

Yes, because it is the " mind " which is doing the 'investigation'!

And, there is only one mind - not two!

 

The mind can not 'investigate' and find itself at the same time -

The mind that it is trying to find is the very mind that is engaged

in Investigation!

 

 

>>Because of the emergence of thought, you surmise that it has an

origin and call that the mind.

 

Yes, we need a basis for all " surmisation " ; like the presence of

rain-drop means presence of " cloud " - yet, clouds are nothing

more than condensed Water-drops themselves!

 

But, overall, I don't find this 'argument' useful in the context of

this discussion! We 'can' think , we are able to 'not think' and we

are able to choose 'what to think' - that should be enough here!

We can investigate the nature and origin of mind some other time!

 

 

>>When you inquire to see what it is, you find there is really no

such thing as mind.

 

>>When the mind has thus vanished, you realize eternal peace. "

 

Yes, because you need 'active mind' [thinking] in order to experience

" time " ! No time = Eternity! No 'feeling of time' = 'feeling of

eternity'!