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> Stress is an outcome of attaching to a stressful story, right?

>

> So what is depression?

 

Stress is judging Present Moment to be bad

and internally 'struggling' to change it

without having a clear way to do so. i.e.

it is struggle against the Present in which

" way out " is still not clearly understood.

 

 

While depression is stress plus helplessness!

 

Depression = stress + helplessness

 

I.e. Depression is not liking the Present [What Is]

and not having any " hope " to get out of it!

 

 

'Premature' 'surrender' can make one stressed.

 

'Misunderstood' 'surrender' can make one depressed.

 

'Misunderstanding' of *work* can make one depressed.

 

Misusing work as 'resignation' can make one depressed.

 

 

Simply 'Stopping to fight' without Accepting/Liking/Loving

What Is... can make one depressed!

 

 

I will not be surprised if there are many depressed folks

in " spiritual " community!

 

I will not be suprised if many folks have become more

depressed after learning spirituality!

 

 

True spirituality doesn't mean 'giving up' [the effort to change]!

 

It means Clarity!

It means to think Clearly! It means to act with Awareness -

decide what you want to do [including your effort to change

something] meanwhile internally accept the Reality of the

Present Moment...

 

And, Accept the Reality of you wanting to change it,

 

And, the Reality of you having decided to change it,

 

And, the Reality of you making efforts to change!

 

The Present manifested Reality, your inner desire and your

present 'resolve' to make effort to change it and your action to

change it - All are part of *What___Is*! Accept All of What__IS -

Accept it in its *TOTALITY*! If you accept only part of it -

depression can easily result!

 

Many folks misuse *work* to only accept the present reality

and forget to accept their genuine inner desire and 'effort'

for change! I am not surprised if depression results many times

in such a case!

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Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

<adithya_comming wrote:

>The Present manifested Reality, your inner desire and your

>present 'resolve' to make effort to change it and your action to

>change it - All are part of *What___Is*! Accept All of What__IS -

>Accept it in its *TOTALITY*! If you accept only part of it -

>depression can easily result!

 

Dont you think that " depression " is also part of " what is " ?

 

Does it not deserve to be " accepted " like everything else?

Is it not rather the idea that we have to be all the time:

- happy - strong - responsible - in " control " - etc...

that can make people sick?

 

>Many folks misuse *work* to only accept the present reality

>and forget to accept their genuine inner desire and 'effort'

>for change! I am not surprised if depression results many times

>in such a case!

 

But the desire for change is also part of the present reality!

How could it be felt or realized if it were not?

How could it manifest if it were not?

 

Please, let me share some more thoughts about depression.

 

Seriously depressed people most of the time

do not know " why " they are depressed.

It may be a natural reaction to unpleasant experiences,

but also a hormonal dysfunction or a genetic predisposition.

 

IMO, the stress comes, because society tells them

that it is not o.k. to be depressed

and that one has to be happy in order to be called " sane " .

To feel depressed has become a taboo in many societies.

 

But depression is just as human as happiness.

Often it is part of a natural healing process.

It can be a device to look deeper into life.

To become more sincere and compassionate.

 

There is more for us than only " happiness " and " fun " .

Everything is contained in this present moment!

To accept the present moment also means:

to accept depression, anger, fear, sadness.

 

The transformation comes through understanding.

Not through control, interference and manipulation.

 

I would call it " misuse " , if someone tries to force

his ideas - how people ideally have to be - on others.

 

Greetings

Stefan

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Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge

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> Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

> <adithya_comming@> wrote:

> >The Present manifested Reality, your inner desire and your

> >present 'resolve' to make effort to change it and your action to

> >change it - All are part of *What___Is*! Accept All of What__IS -

> >Accept it in its *TOTALITY*! If you accept only part of it -

> >depression can easily result!

>

> Dont you think that " depression " is also part of " what is " ?

 

It sure is...

 

>

> Does it not deserve to be " accepted " like everything else?

 

Sure it does...

 

> Is it not rather the idea that we have to be all the time:

> - happy - strong - responsible - in " control " - etc...

> that can make people sick?

 

And, is not that " idea " too part of __What__Is__?

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>> I suffer from depression and I take

anti-depressants to help me cope with them.

I did work, taught by Byron Katie for many

years but, my depression my persisted. I started

taking pills and my condition has greatly

improved. I am not employed and for the most

part, my life is limited to sleeping, eating,

watching TV, talking to friends and Internet

surfing and chatting.

 

>> I recently met someone who suffers from

same kind of depression and has continued

to suffer in-spite of doing work for 1-2 years.

I advised he to take anti-depressants. However,

according to her, Katie advises against taking

anti-depressant and encourages people to get

better by doing " work " and not be dependent on

drugs.

 

 

 

If taking these pills is helping you,

and if they don't have harmful

side-effects, then, take them.

 

Also, also, see if you can have lot of regular

loving sex!

 

Do plenty of regular physical

exercise - get out, jog, run, swim.

 

Do some work that you believe in,

the work, that you think is the right thing

to do, work that you feel good about.

Maybe, help someone, volunteer for some social

work that you believe in, work in a

good shop, a lovely restaurant, teach a kid -

do something that you feel good about.

 

 

I think all of them are linked with physical

and mental well-being and they affect each other.

To be really well, we have to serve our

body, our mind, our family, society, our

sexuality, love, creativity as well as

our spirit.

 

Just serving one side, such as our mind or soul,

is not going to be enough for our total well being.

It is my experience that if you just keep

sitting in your armchair, sofa or lying in your

bed, you can't have any long lasting well-being

- no matter, how much of " work " you do and no

matter how 'enlightened' you think you are!

 

 

It is my guess that Katie's own excellent

mental well-being is as much a result of

her doing the work, as it is because of

her Very Active Life Style and because of her being

Fully Engaged in what she genuinely believes in -

i.e. in helping others, in teaching " work " to people.

 

 

Best,

ac

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It is my experience that, to really feel better in

any sustainable way:

 

- You must do what you TRULY believe is the

RIGHT thing to do.

 

- You must know that you are doing

That, which you believe is the Right thing to do.

 

 

As long as you feel guilty at any level,

you can't be at peace.

 

Being so overly concerned about just ourselves

and only about our own personal pleasure - so

many of us live a constant life of 'guilt'.

 

In this 'guilt' mode, we try to do things

simply because we think it is good for us,

many times, we do so in spite of knowing

that what we are doing is not really the

RIGHT thing to do. And, that 'guilt'

blocks our Peace!

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Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

<adithya_comming wrote:

>

> >> I suffer from depression and I take

> anti-depressants to help me cope with them.

> I did work, taught by Byron Katie for many

> years but, my depression my persisted. I started

> taking pills and my condition has greatly

> improved. I am not employed and for the most

> part, my life is limited to sleeping, eating,

> watching TV, talking to friends and Internet

> surfing and chatting.

>

> >> I recently met someone who suffers from

> same kind of depression and has continued

> to suffer in-spite of doing work for 1-2 years.

> I advised he to take anti-depressants. However,

> according to her, Katie advises against taking

> anti-depressant and encourages people to get

> better by doing " work " and not be dependent on

> drugs.

>

>

>

> If taking these pills is helping you,

> and if they don't have harmful

> side-effects, then, take them.

>

> Also, also, see if you can have lot of regular

> loving sex!

>

 

 

I think having regular loving sex is

especially important for women! I have seen

it do wonders to the mental and physical well-being

of so many women and I have seen so many women

start getting terribly depressed when they lacked

regular loving sex.

 

 

I think it is a terrible mistake for a woman

to attach many stupid conditions to having good,

safe loving sex and thus, act to deprive herself of a

great mental and physical tonic! In my experience,

apart from everything else, good loving sex

heals and nurtures women!

 

 

Have the conditions, criteria, guidelines that you

feel are necessary and useful - but, don't let them

block you from having good sex! Because, having

safe loving sex is wonderful for you - it is the BEST

anti-depressant there is!

 

 

Further, I think it is a mistake to 'keep waiting'

to 'feel good' before you can have good

loving sex; have good loving sex - and,

you will feel good!

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