Guest guest Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > > No adithya, absolutle NO! > > Ok > > > > > First pain is beyond thought. > > Ok > > > > > Pain is a feeling. > > Ok > > > > > Feelings arise far beyond thoughts. > > Ok > > > > > Thougts are EGO protective avoidance. > > Ok > > > > > Thoughts are pride, teachings, preachings, > > Ok > > > > > Nothing but words, words, words from awful minds! > > If mind is awful, then, who are you? > > Who are you, if not a mind? > > > > > > > > A friend of mine, I call > > You mean a friend of mind > > > > > 'Munich Master of Nastiness' > > > > summs up his years of exerience... > > > > His experiences have been a curse to his EGO, > > Is he and his ego... 2 different things??? > > If not, what is this " his ego " ??? > > > > therefor Michael, Munich Master of Nastiness, > > knows, what he writes. Praxis not theories, dear ac! > > It is [to you], what it appears [to you]! > > Can it be any other way [to you]? > > Does it need to any other way? > > > > > > > > Without any particular order, evaluation or filter: > > > > a) because the ego is rough, ruthless and cold like stone. > > Try saying it as: > > " because I am rough, ruthless and cold like stone " > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > b) because our present environment consists of false softness. > > Try saying it as: > > " because I consider the softness that I see in the environment as > false " > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > c) because we are programmed to remain soft childs, and the > > programming needs to be overcome. > > > Try saying it as: > > " because I think I am programmed to remain as soft child, because, I > see myself as a soft child and I think this 'childlike softness' is > something I " need " to overcome. " > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > d) because I like to be loud at unpredictable moments, and > > energetically suppressed persons react negatively to that. > > Try saying it as: > > " because I think I like to be loud at what I think > are 'unpredictable' moments, and, I think some people " react " to it > in " negative " way and I think those who react this way are > energetically depressed. " > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > e) because we need to express all of our feelings and not only the > > " positive " ones. As the negative ones have been repressed > > most, they come out first. > > Try saying it as: > > " because I think I need to express all my feelings and I think I > only express positive ones. I think I have repressed my negative > feelings and I think my negative feelings come out first and I think > it is because I repress them. " > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > Apply this exercise to each statement [from a to k] too and be > totally honest and truthful [to yourself] while doing it! Then, > apply work to each of these statements and tell us exactly what > happened. > > If possible, share your worksheet with us. > > Regards, > ac > > --------- > > Below is the intro to the *work*, if you have never done it before: > > Work > ====== > > The Work of Byron Katie > The Four Questions > 1. Is it true? > 2. Can you absolutely know that it's true? > 3. How do you react when you believe that thought? > 4. Who would you be without the thought? > And remember to turn it around. > > > http://www.thework.com/AudiobookSampler.asp > > http://www.youtube.com/results? search_query=Byron+Katie & search=Search > > [NNB] > > > > > > f) because the suppression of ourselves happened in painful, > > traumatic moments or during endless and hopeless years, the > energy > > release has strong pain connotation. > > > > g) because ego is elevating itself above nature, it will have to > be > > pulled down from it's pedestal, and that is felt as painful, > shameful > > etc. This process is supported on the energetical level by our > > environment > > > > - job gets lost, girl/boyfriend ends the relationship > > in the most painful way possible, money is lost, friends are > > leaving, things get stolen, car is wracked, bank account > > gets confiscated etc. We will experience that as if the > > whole world is against us. > > > > h) because during the rising our nature will get rid of the > > unnatural parts in us we will experience this transition as > > being against us, though in fact _we_ are against our nature. > > But it will be a fight in the beginning - a fight which we > > cannot win. > > > > i) the Buddha will train us to trust him unconditionally. The > > traing-situations are especially tailored to each person and > > hence 100% trust is individually needed. That is not experienced > > as easy. When we fail the tests, it will even become less easy. > > > > h) part of the inner cleansing is the " dark night of the soul " > > - see the literature. > > > > i) the rising bioenergetic level will bring suppressed negativity > > and illness to the outbreak. > > > > j) with the rising sensitivity the soul will start balancing Karma. > > > > k) adjusting the body to the higher energy levels is experienced > > painful in itself; years of intense migraine for example are not > > uncommon. But that's one of the lesser problems. > > > > > > Greetings > > Michael > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > That's the simple reason, blessed ac, > > that slime licking flatteries only fail. > > > > THE WORK HAS to be rough! > > > > Therefore most people in this tears curse suffering > > call this experience the ''DIRTY WORK'' - beyond slime smiles! > > > Anyone out there who can tell me what the above is all about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > No adithya, absolutle NO! > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > First pain is beyond thought. > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > Pain is a feeling. > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > Feelings arise far beyond thoughts. > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > Thougts are EGO protective avoidance. > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > Thoughts are pride, teachings, preachings, > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > Nothing but words, words, words from awful minds! > > > > If mind is awful, then, who are you? > > > > Who are you, if not a mind? > > > > > > > > > > > > > A friend of mine, I call > > > > You mean a friend of mind > > > > > > > > 'Munich Master of Nastiness' > > > > > > summs up his years of exerience... > > > > > > His experiences have been a curse to his EGO, > > > > Is he and his ego... 2 different things??? > > > > If not, what is this " his ego " ??? > > > > > > > therefor Michael, Munich Master of Nastiness, > > > knows, what he writes. Praxis not theories, dear ac! > > > > It is [to you], what it appears [to you]! > > > > Can it be any other way [to you]? > > > > Does it need to any other way? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without any particular order, evaluation or filter: > > > > > > a) because the ego is rough, ruthless and cold like stone. > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > " because I am rough, ruthless and cold like stone " > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > b) because our present environment consists of false softness. > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > " because I consider the softness that I see in the environment as > > false " > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > c) because we are programmed to remain soft childs, and the > > > programming needs to be overcome. > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > " because I think I am programmed to remain as soft child, because, I > > see myself as a soft child and I think this 'childlike softness' is > > something I " need " to overcome. " > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > d) because I like to be loud at unpredictable moments, and > > > energetically suppressed persons react negatively to that. > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > " because I think I like to be loud at what I think > > are 'unpredictable' moments, and, I think some people " react " to it > > in " negative " way and I think those who react this way are > > energetically depressed. " > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > e) because we need to express all of our feelings and not only the > > > " positive " ones. As the negative ones have been repressed > > > most, they come out first. > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > " because I think I need to express all my feelings and I think I > > only express positive ones. I think I have repressed my negative > > feelings and I think my negative feelings come out first and I think > > it is because I repress them. " > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > Apply this exercise to each statement [from a to k] too and be > > totally honest and truthful [to yourself] while doing it! Then, > > apply work to each of these statements and tell us exactly what > > happened. > > > > If possible, share your worksheet with us. > > > > Regards, > > ac > > > > --------- > > > > Below is the intro to the *work*, if you have never done it before: > > > > Work > > ====== > > > > The Work of Byron Katie > > The Four Questions > > 1. Is it true? > > 2. Can you absolutely know that it's true? > > 3. How do you react when you believe that thought? > > 4. Who would you be without the thought? > > And remember to turn it around. > > > > > > http://www.thework.com/AudiobookSampler.asp > > > > http://www.youtube.com/results? > search_query=Byron+Katie & search=Search > > > > [NNB] > > > > > > > > > > > f) because the suppression of ourselves happened in painful, > > > traumatic moments or during endless and hopeless years, the > > energy > > > release has strong pain connotation. > > > > > > g) because ego is elevating itself above nature, it will have to > > be > > > pulled down from it's pedestal, and that is felt as painful, > > shameful > > > etc. This process is supported on the energetical level by our > > > environment > > > > > > - job gets lost, girl/boyfriend ends the relationship > > > in the most painful way possible, money is lost, friends are > > > leaving, things get stolen, car is wracked, bank account > > > gets confiscated etc. We will experience that as if the > > > whole world is against us. > > > > > > h) because during the rising our nature will get rid of the > > > unnatural parts in us we will experience this transition as > > > being against us, though in fact _we_ are against our nature. > > > But it will be a fight in the beginning - a fight which we > > > cannot win. > > > > > > i) the Buddha will train us to trust him unconditionally. The > > > traing-situations are especially tailored to each person and > > > hence 100% trust is individually needed. That is not experienced > > > as easy. When we fail the tests, it will even become less easy. > > > > > > h) part of the inner cleansing is the " dark night of the soul " > > > - see the literature. > > > > > > i) the rising bioenergetic level will bring suppressed negativity > > > and illness to the outbreak. > > > > > > j) with the rising sensitivity the soul will start balancing > Karma. > > > > > > k) adjusting the body to the higher energy levels is experienced > > > painful in itself; years of intense migraine for example are not > > > uncommon. But that's one of the lesser problems. > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > That's the simple reason, blessed ac, > > > that slime licking flatteries only fail. > > > > > > THE WORK HAS to be rough! > > > > > > Therefore most people in this tears curse suffering > > > call this experience the ''DIRTY WORK'' - beyond slime smiles! > > > > > > > > Anyone out there who can tell me what the above is all about? no. there is no one anywhere. and nothing is about anything anyway. don't concern yourself(which is not) with that which has no meaning because there is no such condition or quality as 'meaning'. go with the flow. you have no choice. the flow and 'you' and the 'above' and all things considered, are one and the same 'somewhat' that has no description, meaning, direction, form, characteristics, thoughts, opinions, beliefs, nor 'living' qualities whatsoever. asking the above is akin to, and no different than, asking why is the sky blue(?), what IS blue(?), why should 'it' matter'(?), who's asking(?), who am 'i'(?),......all such queries are without meaning and lead to the same 'nowhere' that your current beliefs and hopes and thoughts do already now lead......NO PLACE! suck 'it' up and get on with 'it'. don't pretend that there should be some import to either your question or what it refers to. there is no message anywhere at anytime or anyplace anyhow except for what 'you' see or don't. nothing is relevant to the truth. there are no 'things' to be relevant about. ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > No adithya, absolutle NO! > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > First pain is beyond thought. > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > Pain is a feeling. > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > Feelings arise far beyond thoughts. > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > Thougts are EGO protective avoidance. > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > Thoughts are pride, teachings, preachings, > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > Nothing but words, words, words from awful minds! > > > > If mind is awful, then, who are you? > > > > Who are you, if not a mind? > > > > > > > > > > > > > A friend of mine, I call > > > > You mean a friend of mind > > > > > > > > 'Munich Master of Nastiness' > > > > > > summs up his years of exerience... > > > > > > His experiences have been a curse to his EGO, > > > > Is he and his ego... 2 different things??? > > > > If not, what is this " his ego " ??? > > > > > > > therefor Michael, Munich Master of Nastiness, > > > knows, what he writes. Praxis not theories, dear ac! > > > > It is [to you], what it appears [to you]! > > > > Can it be any other way [to you]? > > > > Does it need to any other way? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without any particular order, evaluation or filter: > > > > > > a) because the ego is rough, ruthless and cold like stone. > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > " because I am rough, ruthless and cold like stone " > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > b) because our present environment consists of false softness. > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > " because I consider the softness that I see in the environment as > > false " > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > c) because we are programmed to remain soft childs, and the > > > programming needs to be overcome. > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > " because I think I am programmed to remain as soft child, because, I > > see myself as a soft child and I think this 'childlike softness' is > > something I " need " to overcome. " > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > d) because I like to be loud at unpredictable moments, and > > > energetically suppressed persons react negatively to that. > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > " because I think I like to be loud at what I think > > are 'unpredictable' moments, and, I think some people " react " to it > > in " negative " way and I think those who react this way are > > energetically depressed. " > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > e) because we need to express all of our feelings and not only the > > > " positive " ones. As the negative ones have been repressed > > > most, they come out first. > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > " because I think I need to express all my feelings and I think I > > only express positive ones. I think I have repressed my negative > > feelings and I think my negative feelings come out first and I think > > it is because I repress them. " > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > Apply this exercise to each statement [from a to k] too and be > > totally honest and truthful [to yourself] while doing it! Then, > > apply work to each of these statements and tell us exactly what > > happened. > > > > If possible, share your worksheet with us. > > > > Regards, > > ac > > > > --------- > > > > Below is the intro to the *work*, if you have never done it before: > > > > Work > > ====== > > > > The Work of Byron Katie > > The Four Questions > > 1. Is it true? > > 2. Can you absolutely know that it's true? > > 3. How do you react when you believe that thought? > > 4. Who would you be without the thought? > > And remember to turn it around. > > > > > > http://www.thework.com/AudiobookSampler.asp > > > > http://www.youtube.com/results? > search_query=Byron+Katie & search=Search > > > > [NNB] > > > > > > > > > > > f) because the suppression of ourselves happened in painful, > > > traumatic moments or during endless and hopeless years, the > > energy > > > release has strong pain connotation. > > > > > > g) because ego is elevating itself above nature, it will have to > > be > > > pulled down from it's pedestal, and that is felt as painful, > > shameful > > > etc. This process is supported on the energetical level by our > > > environment > > > > > > - job gets lost, girl/boyfriend ends the relationship > > > in the most painful way possible, money is lost, friends are > > > leaving, things get stolen, car is wracked, bank account > > > gets confiscated etc. We will experience that as if the > > > whole world is against us. > > > > > > h) because during the rising our nature will get rid of the > > > unnatural parts in us we will experience this transition as > > > being against us, though in fact _we_ are against our nature. > > > But it will be a fight in the beginning - a fight which we > > > cannot win. > > > > > > i) the Buddha will train us to trust him unconditionally. The > > > traing-situations are especially tailored to each person and > > > hence 100% trust is individually needed. That is not experienced > > > as easy. When we fail the tests, it will even become less easy. > > > > > > h) part of the inner cleansing is the " dark night of the soul " > > > - see the literature. > > > > > > i) the rising bioenergetic level will bring suppressed negativity > > > and illness to the outbreak. > > > > > > j) with the rising sensitivity the soul will start balancing > Karma. > > > > > > k) adjusting the body to the higher energy levels is experienced > > > painful in itself; years of intense migraine for example are not > > > uncommon. But that's one of the lesser problems. > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > That's the simple reason, blessed ac, > > > that slime licking flatteries only fail. > > > > > > THE WORK HAS to be rough! > > > > > > Therefore most people in this tears curse suffering > > > call this experience the ''DIRTY WORK'' - beyond slime smiles! > > > > > > > > Anyone out there who can tell me what the above is all about? > not a freaking thing... I'm just bored, how about you? Yawn.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 [...] > > Anyone out there who can tell me what the above is all about? I think it was a message that got posted on wrong forum in wrong way. Do you want to know anything else about it? Regards, ac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > No adithya, absolutle NO! > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > First pain is beyond thought. > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > Pain is a feeling. > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > Feelings arise far beyond thoughts. > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > Thougts are EGO protective avoidance. > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts are pride, teachings, preachings, > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing but words, words, words from awful minds! > > > > > > If mind is awful, then, who are you? > > > > > > Who are you, if not a mind? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A friend of mine, I call > > > > > > You mean a friend of mind > > > > > > > > > > > 'Munich Master of Nastiness' > > > > > > > > summs up his years of exerience... > > > > > > > > His experiences have been a curse to his EGO, > > > > > > Is he and his ego... 2 different things??? > > > > > > If not, what is this " his ego " ??? > > > > > > > > > > therefor Michael, Munich Master of Nastiness, > > > > knows, what he writes. Praxis not theories, dear ac! > > > > > > It is [to you], what it appears [to you]! > > > > > > Can it be any other way [to you]? > > > > > > Does it need to any other way? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without any particular order, evaluation or filter: > > > > > > > > a) because the ego is rough, ruthless and cold like stone. > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > " because I am rough, ruthless and cold like stone " > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > b) because our present environment consists of false softness. > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > " because I consider the softness that I see in the environment as > > > false " > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > c) because we are programmed to remain soft childs, and the > > > > programming needs to be overcome. > > > > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > " because I think I am programmed to remain as soft child, because, I > > > see myself as a soft child and I think this 'childlike softness' is > > > something I " need " to overcome. " > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > d) because I like to be loud at unpredictable moments, and > > > > energetically suppressed persons react negatively to that. > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > " because I think I like to be loud at what I think > > > are 'unpredictable' moments, and, I think some people " react " to it > > > in " negative " way and I think those who react this way are > > > energetically depressed. " > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > e) because we need to express all of our feelings and not only the > > > > " positive " ones. As the negative ones have been repressed > > > > most, they come out first. > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > " because I think I need to express all my feelings and I think I > > > only express positive ones. I think I have repressed my negative > > > feelings and I think my negative feelings come out first and I think > > > it is because I repress them. " > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > > > Apply this exercise to each statement [from a to k] too and be > > > totally honest and truthful [to yourself] while doing it! Then, > > > apply work to each of these statements and tell us exactly what > > > happened. > > > > > > If possible, share your worksheet with us. > > > > > > Regards, > > > ac > > > > > > --------- > > > > > > Below is the intro to the *work*, if you have never done it before: > > > > > > Work > > > ====== > > > > > > The Work of Byron Katie > > > The Four Questions > > > 1. Is it true? > > > 2. Can you absolutely know that it's true? > > > 3. How do you react when you believe that thought? > > > 4. Who would you be without the thought? > > > And remember to turn it around. > > > > > > > > > http://www.thework.com/AudiobookSampler.asp > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/results? > > search_query=Byron+Katie & search=Search > > > > > > [NNB] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > f) because the suppression of ourselves happened in painful, > > > > traumatic moments or during endless and hopeless years, the > > > energy > > > > release has strong pain connotation. > > > > > > > > g) because ego is elevating itself above nature, it will have to > > > be > > > > pulled down from it's pedestal, and that is felt as painful, > > > shameful > > > > etc. This process is supported on the energetical level by our > > > > environment > > > > > > > > - job gets lost, girl/boyfriend ends the relationship > > > > in the most painful way possible, money is lost, friends are > > > > leaving, things get stolen, car is wracked, bank account > > > > gets confiscated etc. We will experience that as if the > > > > whole world is against us. > > > > > > > > h) because during the rising our nature will get rid of the > > > > unnatural parts in us we will experience this transition as > > > > being against us, though in fact _we_ are against our nature. > > > > But it will be a fight in the beginning - a fight which we > > > > cannot win. > > > > > > > > i) the Buddha will train us to trust him unconditionally. The > > > > traing-situations are especially tailored to each person and > > > > hence 100% trust is individually needed. That is not experienced > > > > as easy. When we fail the tests, it will even become less easy. > > > > > > > > h) part of the inner cleansing is the " dark night of the soul " > > > > - see the literature. > > > > > > > > i) the rising bioenergetic level will bring suppressed negativity > > > > and illness to the outbreak. > > > > > > > > j) with the rising sensitivity the soul will start balancing > > Karma. > > > > > > > > k) adjusting the body to the higher energy levels is experienced > > > > painful in itself; years of intense migraine for example are not > > > > uncommon. But that's one of the lesser problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > > That's the simple reason, blessed ac, > > > > that slime licking flatteries only fail. > > > > > > > > THE WORK HAS to be rough! > > > > > > > > Therefore most people in this tears curse suffering > > > > call this experience the ''DIRTY WORK'' - beyond slime smiles! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone out there who can tell me what the above is all about? > > > > > no. there is no one anywhere. and nothing is about anything anyway. > don't concern yourself(which is not) with that which has no meaning > because there is no such condition or quality as 'meaning'. go with > the flow. you have no choice. the flow and 'you' and the 'above' and > all things considered, are one and the same 'somewhat' that has no > description, meaning, direction, form, characteristics, thoughts, > opinions, beliefs, nor 'living' qualities whatsoever. asking the above > is akin to, and no different than, asking why is the sky blue(?), what > IS blue(?), why should 'it' matter'(?), who's asking(?), who am > 'i'(?),......all such queries are without meaning and lead to the same > 'nowhere' that your current beliefs and hopes and thoughts do already > now lead......NO PLACE! suck 'it' up and get on with 'it'. don't > pretend that there should be some import to either your question or > what it refers to. there is no message anywhere at anytime or anyplace > anyhow except for what 'you' see or don't. nothing is relevant to the > truth. there are no 'things' to be relevant about. > > > .b b.b. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > No adithya, absolutle NO! > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > First pain is beyond thought. > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > Pain is a feeling. > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > Feelings arise far beyond thoughts. > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > Thougts are EGO protective avoidance. > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts are pride, teachings, preachings, > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing but words, words, words from awful minds! > > > > > > If mind is awful, then, who are you? > > > > > > Who are you, if not a mind? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A friend of mine, I call > > > > > > You mean a friend of mind > > > > > > > > > > > 'Munich Master of Nastiness' > > > > > > > > summs up his years of exerience... > > > > > > > > His experiences have been a curse to his EGO, > > > > > > Is he and his ego... 2 different things??? > > > > > > If not, what is this " his ego " ??? > > > > > > > > > > therefor Michael, Munich Master of Nastiness, > > > > knows, what he writes. Praxis not theories, dear ac! > > > > > > It is [to you], what it appears [to you]! > > > > > > Can it be any other way [to you]? > > > > > > Does it need to any other way? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without any particular order, evaluation or filter: > > > > > > > > a) because the ego is rough, ruthless and cold like stone. > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > " because I am rough, ruthless and cold like stone " > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > b) because our present environment consists of false softness. > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > " because I consider the softness that I see in the environment as > > > false " > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > c) because we are programmed to remain soft childs, and the > > > > programming needs to be overcome. > > > > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > " because I think I am programmed to remain as soft child, because, I > > > see myself as a soft child and I think this 'childlike softness' is > > > something I " need " to overcome. " > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > d) because I like to be loud at unpredictable moments, and > > > > energetically suppressed persons react negatively to that. > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > " because I think I like to be loud at what I think > > > are 'unpredictable' moments, and, I think some people " react " to it > > > in " negative " way and I think those who react this way are > > > energetically depressed. " > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > e) because we need to express all of our feelings and not only the > > > > " positive " ones. As the negative ones have been repressed > > > > most, they come out first. > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > " because I think I need to express all my feelings and I think I > > > only express positive ones. I think I have repressed my negative > > > feelings and I think my negative feelings come out first and I think > > > it is because I repress them. " > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > > > Apply this exercise to each statement [from a to k] too and be > > > totally honest and truthful [to yourself] while doing it! Then, > > > apply work to each of these statements and tell us exactly what > > > happened. > > > > > > If possible, share your worksheet with us. > > > > > > Regards, > > > ac > > > > > > --------- > > > > > > Below is the intro to the *work*, if you have never done it before: > > > > > > Work > > > ====== > > > > > > The Work of Byron Katie > > > The Four Questions > > > 1. Is it true? > > > 2. Can you absolutely know that it's true? > > > 3. How do you react when you believe that thought? > > > 4. Who would you be without the thought? > > > And remember to turn it around. > > > > > > > > > http://www.thework.com/AudiobookSampler.asp > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/results? > > search_query=Byron+Katie & search=Search > > > > > > [NNB] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > f) because the suppression of ourselves happened in painful, > > > > traumatic moments or during endless and hopeless years, the > > > energy > > > > release has strong pain connotation. > > > > > > > > g) because ego is elevating itself above nature, it will have to > > > be > > > > pulled down from it's pedestal, and that is felt as painful, > > > shameful > > > > etc. This process is supported on the energetical level by our > > > > environment > > > > > > > > - job gets lost, girl/boyfriend ends the relationship > > > > in the most painful way possible, money is lost, friends are > > > > leaving, things get stolen, car is wracked, bank account > > > > gets confiscated etc. We will experience that as if the > > > > whole world is against us. > > > > > > > > h) because during the rising our nature will get rid of the > > > > unnatural parts in us we will experience this transition as > > > > being against us, though in fact _we_ are against our nature. > > > > But it will be a fight in the beginning - a fight which we > > > > cannot win. > > > > > > > > i) the Buddha will train us to trust him unconditionally. The > > > > traing-situations are especially tailored to each person and > > > > hence 100% trust is individually needed. That is not experienced > > > > as easy. When we fail the tests, it will even become less easy. > > > > > > > > h) part of the inner cleansing is the " dark night of the soul " > > > > - see the literature. > > > > > > > > i) the rising bioenergetic level will bring suppressed negativity > > > > and illness to the outbreak. > > > > > > > > j) with the rising sensitivity the soul will start balancing > > Karma. > > > > > > > > k) adjusting the body to the higher energy levels is experienced > > > > painful in itself; years of intense migraine for example are not > > > > uncommon. But that's one of the lesser problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > > That's the simple reason, blessed ac, > > > > that slime licking flatteries only fail. > > > > > > > > THE WORK HAS to be rough! > > > > > > > > Therefore most people in this tears curse suffering > > > > call this experience the ''DIRTY WORK'' - beyond slime smiles! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone out there who can tell me what the above is all about? > > > > > no. there is no one anywhere. and nothing is about anything anyway. > don't concern yourself(which is not) with that which has no meaning > because there is no such condition or quality as 'meaning'. go with > the flow. you have no choice. the flow and 'you' and the 'above' and > all things considered, are one and the same 'somewhat' that has no > description, meaning, direction, form, characteristics, thoughts, > opinions, beliefs, nor 'living' qualities whatsoever. asking the above > is akin to, and no different than, asking why is the sky blue(?), what > IS blue(?), why should 'it' matter'(?), who's asking(?), who am > 'i'(?),......all such queries are without meaning and lead to the same > 'nowhere' that your current beliefs and hopes and thoughts do already > now lead......NO PLACE! suck 'it' up and get on with 'it'. don't > pretend that there should be some import to either your question or > what it refers to. there is no message anywhere at anytime or anyplace > anyhow except for what 'you' see or don't. nothing is relevant to the > truth. there are no 'things' to be relevant about. > > > .b b.b. > " there are no 'things' to be relevant about. " -I agree, there's nothing important enough to worry about, but is that why you needed that whole essay to make YOUR point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > No adithya, absolutle NO! > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First pain is beyond thought. > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pain is a feeling. > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feelings arise far beyond thoughts. > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thougts are EGO protective avoidance. > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts are pride, teachings, preachings, > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing but words, words, words from awful minds! > > > > > > > > If mind is awful, then, who are you? > > > > > > > > Who are you, if not a mind? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A friend of mine, I call > > > > > > > > You mean a friend of mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Munich Master of Nastiness' > > > > > > > > > > summs up his years of exerience... > > > > > > > > > > His experiences have been a curse to his EGO, > > > > > > > > Is he and his ego... 2 different things??? > > > > > > > > If not, what is this " his ego " ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > therefor Michael, Munich Master of Nastiness, > > > > > knows, what he writes. Praxis not theories, dear ac! > > > > > > > > It is [to you], what it appears [to you]! > > > > > > > > Can it be any other way [to you]? > > > > > > > > Does it need to any other way? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without any particular order, evaluation or filter: > > > > > > > > > > a) because the ego is rough, ruthless and cold like stone. > > > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > > > " because I am rough, ruthless and cold like stone " > > > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) because our present environment consists of false softness. > > > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > > > " because I consider the softness that I see in the environment > as > > > > false " > > > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > > > c) because we are programmed to remain soft childs, and the > > > > > programming needs to be overcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > > > " because I think I am programmed to remain as soft child, > because, I > > > > see myself as a soft child and I think this 'childlike > softness' is > > > > something I " need " to overcome. " > > > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > > > d) because I like to be loud at unpredictable moments, and > > > > > energetically suppressed persons react negatively to that. > > > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > > > " because I think I like to be loud at what I think > > > > are 'unpredictable' moments, and, I think some people " react " > to it > > > > in " negative " way and I think those who react this way are > > > > energetically depressed. " > > > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > > > e) because we need to express all of our feelings and not > only the > > > > > " positive " ones. As the negative ones have been repressed > > > > > most, they come out first. > > > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > > > " because I think I need to express all my feelings and I think I > > > > only express positive ones. I think I have repressed my negative > > > > feelings and I think my negative feelings come out first and I > think > > > > it is because I repress them. " > > > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > Apply this exercise to each statement [from a to k] too and be > > > > totally honest and truthful [to yourself] while doing it! Then, > > > > apply work to each of these statements and tell us exactly what > > > > happened. > > > > > > > > If possible, share your worksheet with us. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > ac > > > > > > > > --------- > > > > > > > > Below is the intro to the *work*, if you have never done it > before: > > > > > > > > Work > > > > ====== > > > > > > > > The Work of Byron Katie > > > > The Four Questions > > > > 1. Is it true? > > > > 2. Can you absolutely know that it's true? > > > > 3. How do you react when you believe that thought? > > > > 4. Who would you be without the thought? > > > > And remember to turn it around. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.thework.com/AudiobookSampler.asp > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/results? > > > search_query=Byron+Katie & search=Search > > > > > > > > [NNB] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > f) because the suppression of ourselves happened in painful, > > > > > traumatic moments or during endless and hopeless years, the > > > > energy > > > > > release has strong pain connotation. > > > > > > > > > > g) because ego is elevating itself above nature, it will have > to > > > > be > > > > > pulled down from it's pedestal, and that is felt as painful, > > > > shameful > > > > > etc. This process is supported on the energetical level by our > > > > > environment > > > > > > > > > > - job gets lost, girl/boyfriend ends the relationship > > > > > in the most painful way possible, money is lost, friends are > > > > > leaving, things get stolen, car is wracked, bank account > > > > > gets confiscated etc. We will experience that as if the > > > > > whole world is against us. > > > > > > > > > > h) because during the rising our nature will get rid of the > > > > > unnatural parts in us we will experience this transition as > > > > > being against us, though in fact _we_ are against our nature. > > > > > But it will be a fight in the beginning - a fight which we > > > > > cannot win. > > > > > > > > > > i) the Buddha will train us to trust him unconditionally. The > > > > > traing-situations are especially tailored to each person and > > > > > hence 100% trust is individually needed. That is not > experienced > > > > > as easy. When we fail the tests, it will even become less > easy. > > > > > > > > > > h) part of the inner cleansing is the " dark night of the soul " > > > > > - see the literature. > > > > > > > > > > i) the rising bioenergetic level will bring suppressed > negativity > > > > > and illness to the outbreak. > > > > > > > > > > j) with the rising sensitivity the soul will start balancing > > > Karma. > > > > > > > > > > k) adjusting the body to the higher energy levels is > experienced > > > > > painful in itself; years of intense migraine for example are > not > > > > > uncommon. But that's one of the lesser problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > That's the simple reason, blessed ac, > > > > > that slime licking flatteries only fail. > > > > > > > > > > THE WORK HAS to be rough! > > > > > > > > > > Therefore most people in this tears curse suffering > > > > > call this experience the ''DIRTY WORK'' - beyond slime smiles! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone out there who can tell me what the above is all about? > > > > > > > > > > no. there is no one anywhere. and nothing is about anything anyway. > > don't concern yourself(which is not) with that which has no meaning > > because there is no such condition or quality as 'meaning'. go with > > the flow. you have no choice. the flow and 'you' and the 'above' and > > all things considered, are one and the same 'somewhat' that has no > > description, meaning, direction, form, characteristics, thoughts, > > opinions, beliefs, nor 'living' qualities whatsoever. asking the > above > > is akin to, and no different than, asking why is the sky blue(?), > what > > IS blue(?), why should 'it' matter'(?), who's asking(?), who am > > 'i'(?),......all such queries are without meaning and lead to the > same > > 'nowhere' that your current beliefs and hopes and thoughts do > already > > now lead......NO PLACE! suck 'it' up and get on with 'it'. don't > > pretend that there should be some import to either your question or > > what it refers to. there is no message anywhere at anytime or > anyplace > > anyhow except for what 'you' see or don't. nothing is relevant to > the > > truth. there are no 'things' to be relevant about. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > " there are no 'things' to be relevant about. " > > -I agree, there's nothing important enough to worry about, but is > that why you needed that whole essay to make YOUR point? no point was made. there are no such things. 'you' should know this by now. shame on 'you'. there is no 'me' to feel shame. 'you' however seem mired in 'you'. and that too is a shame. god bless. ..b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > No adithya, absolutle NO! > > > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First pain is beyond thought. > > > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pain is a feeling. > > > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feelings arise far beyond thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thougts are EGO protective avoidance. > > > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts are pride, teachings, preachings, > > > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing but words, words, words from awful minds! > > > > > > > > > > If mind is awful, then, who are you? > > > > > > > > > > Who are you, if not a mind? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A friend of mine, I call > > > > > > > > > > You mean a friend of mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Munich Master of Nastiness' > > > > > > > > > > > > summs up his years of exerience... > > > > > > > > > > > > His experiences have been a curse to his EGO, > > > > > > > > > > Is he and his ego... 2 different things??? > > > > > > > > > > If not, what is this " his ego " ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > therefor Michael, Munich Master of Nastiness, > > > > > > knows, what he writes. Praxis not theories, dear ac! > > > > > > > > > > It is [to you], what it appears [to you]! > > > > > > > > > > Can it be any other way [to you]? > > > > > > > > > > Does it need to any other way? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without any particular order, evaluation or filter: > > > > > > > > > > > > a) because the ego is rough, ruthless and cold like stone. > > > > > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > > > > > " because I am rough, ruthless and cold like stone " > > > > > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) because our present environment consists of false softness. > > > > > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > > > > > " because I consider the softness that I see in the environment > > as > > > > > false " > > > > > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > c) because we are programmed to remain soft childs, and the > > > > > > programming needs to be overcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > > > > > " because I think I am programmed to remain as soft child, > > because, I > > > > > see myself as a soft child and I think this 'childlike > > softness' is > > > > > something I " need " to overcome. " > > > > > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > d) because I like to be loud at unpredictable moments, and > > > > > > energetically suppressed persons react negatively to that. > > > > > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > > > > > " because I think I like to be loud at what I think > > > > > are 'unpredictable' moments, and, I think some people " react " > > to it > > > > > in " negative " way and I think those who react this way are > > > > > energetically depressed. " > > > > > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > e) because we need to express all of our feelings and not > > only the > > > > > > " positive " ones. As the negative ones have been repressed > > > > > > most, they come out first. > > > > > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > > > > > " because I think I need to express all my feelings and I think I > > > > > only express positive ones. I think I have repressed my negative > > > > > feelings and I think my negative feelings come out first and I > > think > > > > > it is because I repress them. " > > > > > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apply this exercise to each statement [from a to k] too and be > > > > > totally honest and truthful [to yourself] while doing it! Then, > > > > > apply work to each of these statements and tell us exactly what > > > > > happened. > > > > > > > > > > If possible, share your worksheet with us. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > ac > > > > > > > > > > --------- > > > > > > > > > > Below is the intro to the *work*, if you have never done it > > before: > > > > > > > > > > Work > > > > > ====== > > > > > > > > > > The Work of Byron Katie > > > > > The Four Questions > > > > > 1. Is it true? > > > > > 2. Can you absolutely know that it's true? > > > > > 3. How do you react when you believe that thought? > > > > > 4. Who would you be without the thought? > > > > > And remember to turn it around. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.thework.com/AudiobookSampler.asp > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/results? > > > > search_query=Byron+Katie & search=Search > > > > > > > > > > [NNB] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > f) because the suppression of ourselves happened in painful, > > > > > > traumatic moments or during endless and hopeless years, the > > > > > energy > > > > > > release has strong pain connotation. > > > > > > > > > > > > g) because ego is elevating itself above nature, it will have > > to > > > > > be > > > > > > pulled down from it's pedestal, and that is felt as painful, > > > > > shameful > > > > > > etc. This process is supported on the energetical level by our > > > > > > environment > > > > > > > > > > > > - job gets lost, girl/boyfriend ends the relationship > > > > > > in the most painful way possible, money is lost, friends are > > > > > > leaving, things get stolen, car is wracked, bank account > > > > > > gets confiscated etc. We will experience that as if the > > > > > > whole world is against us. > > > > > > > > > > > > h) because during the rising our nature will get rid of the > > > > > > unnatural parts in us we will experience this transition as > > > > > > being against us, though in fact _we_ are against our nature. > > > > > > But it will be a fight in the beginning - a fight which we > > > > > > cannot win. > > > > > > > > > > > > i) the Buddha will train us to trust him unconditionally. The > > > > > > traing-situations are especially tailored to each person and > > > > > > hence 100% trust is individually needed. That is not > > experienced > > > > > > as easy. When we fail the tests, it will even become less > > easy. > > > > > > > > > > > > h) part of the inner cleansing is the " dark night of the soul " > > > > > > - see the literature. > > > > > > > > > > > > i) the rising bioenergetic level will bring suppressed > > negativity > > > > > > and illness to the outbreak. > > > > > > > > > > > > j) with the rising sensitivity the soul will start balancing > > > > Karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > k) adjusting the body to the higher energy levels is > > experienced > > > > > > painful in itself; years of intense migraine for example are > > not > > > > > > uncommon. But that's one of the lesser problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the simple reason, blessed ac, > > > > > > that slime licking flatteries only fail. > > > > > > > > > > > > THE WORK HAS to be rough! > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore most people in this tears curse suffering > > > > > > call this experience the ''DIRTY WORK'' - beyond slime smiles! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone out there who can tell me what the above is all about? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no. there is no one anywhere. and nothing is about anything anyway. > > > don't concern yourself(which is not) with that which has no meaning > > > because there is no such condition or quality as 'meaning'. go with > > > the flow. you have no choice. the flow and 'you' and the 'above' and > > > all things considered, are one and the same 'somewhat' that has no > > > description, meaning, direction, form, characteristics, thoughts, > > > opinions, beliefs, nor 'living' qualities whatsoever. asking the > > above > > > is akin to, and no different than, asking why is the sky blue (?), > > what > > > IS blue(?), why should 'it' matter'(?), who's asking(?), who am > > > 'i'(?),......all such queries are without meaning and lead to the > > same > > > 'nowhere' that your current beliefs and hopes and thoughts do > > already > > > now lead......NO PLACE! suck 'it' up and get on with 'it'. don't > > > pretend that there should be some import to either your question or > > > what it refers to. there is no message anywhere at anytime or > > anyplace > > > anyhow except for what 'you' see or don't. nothing is relevant to > > the > > > truth. there are no 'things' to be relevant about. > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > " there are no 'things' to be relevant about. " > > > > -I agree, there's nothing important enough to worry about, but is > > that why you needed that whole essay to make YOUR point? no point was made. there are no such things. 'you' should know this by > now. shame on 'you'. there is no 'me' to feel shame. 'you' however > seem mired in 'you'. and that too is a shame. god bless. > > > .b > Who spoke of shame? A mesh mash e? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " > <mstrdmmlbrn@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > No adithya, absolutle NO! > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First pain is beyond thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pain is a feeling. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feelings arise far beyond thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thougts are EGO protective avoidance. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts are pride, teachings, preachings, > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing but words, words, words from awful minds! > > > > > > > > > > > > If mind is awful, then, who are you? > > > > > > > > > > > > Who are you, if not a mind? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A friend of mine, I call > > > > > > > > > > > > You mean a friend of mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Munich Master of Nastiness' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > summs up his years of exerience... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His experiences have been a curse to his EGO, > > > > > > > > > > > > Is he and his ego... 2 different things??? > > > > > > > > > > > > If not, what is this " his ego " ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > therefor Michael, Munich Master of Nastiness, > > > > > > > knows, what he writes. Praxis not theories, dear ac! > > > > > > > > > > > > It is [to you], what it appears [to you]! > > > > > > > > > > > > Can it be any other way [to you]? > > > > > > > > > > > > Does it need to any other way? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without any particular order, evaluation or filter: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) because the ego is rough, ruthless and cold like stone. > > > > > > > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > > > > > > > " because I am rough, ruthless and cold like stone " > > > > > > > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) because our present environment consists of false > softness. > > > > > > > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > > > > > > > " because I consider the softness that I see in the > environment > > > as > > > > > > false " > > > > > > > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > c) because we are programmed to remain soft childs, and > the > > > > > > > programming needs to be overcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > > > > > > > " because I think I am programmed to remain as soft child, > > > because, I > > > > > > see myself as a soft child and I think this 'childlike > > > softness' is > > > > > > something I " need " to overcome. " > > > > > > > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > d) because I like to be loud at unpredictable moments, and > > > > > > > energetically suppressed persons react negatively to that. > > > > > > > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > > > > > > > " because I think I like to be loud at what I think > > > > > > are 'unpredictable' moments, and, I think some > people " react " > > > to it > > > > > > in " negative " way and I think those who react this way are > > > > > > energetically depressed. " > > > > > > > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > e) because we need to express all of our feelings and not > > > only the > > > > > > > " positive " ones. As the negative ones have been repressed > > > > > > > most, they come out first. > > > > > > > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > > > > > > > " because I think I need to express all my feelings and I > think I > > > > > > only express positive ones. I think I have repressed my > negative > > > > > > feelings and I think my negative feelings come out first > and I > > > think > > > > > > it is because I repress them. " > > > > > > > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apply this exercise to each statement [from a to k] too and > be > > > > > > totally honest and truthful [to yourself] while doing it! > Then, > > > > > > apply work to each of these statements and tell us exactly > what > > > > > > happened. > > > > > > > > > > > > If possible, share your worksheet with us. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > ac > > > > > > > > > > > > --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Below is the intro to the *work*, if you have never done it > > > before: > > > > > > > > > > > > Work > > > > > > ====== > > > > > > > > > > > > The Work of Byron Katie > > > > > > The Four Questions > > > > > > 1. Is it true? > > > > > > 2. Can you absolutely know that it's true? > > > > > > 3. How do you react when you believe that thought? > > > > > > 4. Who would you be without the thought? > > > > > > And remember to turn it around. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.thework.com/AudiobookSampler.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/results? > > > > > search_query=Byron+Katie & search=Search > > > > > > > > > > > > [NNB] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > f) because the suppression of ourselves happened in > painful, > > > > > > > traumatic moments or during endless and hopeless years, > the > > > > > > energy > > > > > > > release has strong pain connotation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > g) because ego is elevating itself above nature, it will > have > > > to > > > > > > be > > > > > > > pulled down from it's pedestal, and that is felt as > painful, > > > > > > shameful > > > > > > > etc. This process is supported on the energetical level > by our > > > > > > > environment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - job gets lost, girl/boyfriend ends the relationship > > > > > > > in the most painful way possible, money is lost, friends > are > > > > > > > leaving, things get stolen, car is wracked, bank account > > > > > > > gets confiscated etc. We will experience that as if the > > > > > > > whole world is against us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > h) because during the rising our nature will get rid of > the > > > > > > > unnatural parts in us we will experience this transition > as > > > > > > > being against us, though in fact _we_ are against our > nature. > > > > > > > But it will be a fight in the beginning - a fight which we > > > > > > > cannot win. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i) the Buddha will train us to trust him unconditionally. > The > > > > > > > traing-situations are especially tailored to each person > and > > > > > > > hence 100% trust is individually needed. That is not > > > experienced > > > > > > > as easy. When we fail the tests, it will even become less > > > easy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > h) part of the inner cleansing is the " dark night of the > soul " > > > > > > > - see the literature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i) the rising bioenergetic level will bring suppressed > > > negativity > > > > > > > and illness to the outbreak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > j) with the rising sensitivity the soul will start > balancing > > > > > Karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > k) adjusting the body to the higher energy levels is > > > experienced > > > > > > > painful in itself; years of intense migraine for example > are > > > not > > > > > > > uncommon. But that's one of the lesser problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the simple reason, blessed ac, > > > > > > > that slime licking flatteries only fail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THE WORK HAS to be rough! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore most people in this tears curse suffering > > > > > > > call this experience the ''DIRTY WORK'' - beyond slime > smiles! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone out there who can tell me what the above is all about? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no. there is no one anywhere. and nothing is about anything > anyway. > > > > don't concern yourself(which is not) with that which has no > meaning > > > > because there is no such condition or quality as 'meaning'. go > with > > > > the flow. you have no choice. the flow and 'you' and > the 'above' and > > > > all things considered, are one and the same 'somewhat' that has > no > > > > description, meaning, direction, form, characteristics, > thoughts, > > > > opinions, beliefs, nor 'living' qualities whatsoever. asking > the > > > above > > > > is akin to, and no different than, asking why is the sky blue > (?), > > > what > > > > IS blue(?), why should 'it' matter'(?), who's asking(?), who am > > > > 'i'(?),......all such queries are without meaning and lead to > the > > > same > > > > 'nowhere' that your current beliefs and hopes and thoughts do > > > already > > > > now lead......NO PLACE! suck 'it' up and get on with 'it'. > don't > > > > pretend that there should be some import to either your > question or > > > > what it refers to. there is no message anywhere at anytime or > > > anyplace > > > > anyhow except for what 'you' see or don't. nothing is relevant > to > > > the > > > > truth. there are no 'things' to be relevant about. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > " there are no 'things' to be relevant about. " > > > > > > -I agree, there's nothing important enough to worry about, but is > > > that why you needed that whole essay to make YOUR point? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no point was made. there are no such things. 'you' should know this > by > > now. shame on 'you'. there is no 'me' to feel shame. 'you' however > > seem mired in 'you'. and that too is a shame. god bless. > > > > > > .b > > > Who spoke of shame? A mesh mash e? Ha Ha hahahah! i KNEW it was going to keep coming. you could become an embarrassment with your attraction to me here, strange moniker dude. watch it. there are those watching you and it's getting to be beyond funny, and developing into a concern about your emotional and mental health. not for baba bobji though. your health or anyone else's is not his concern and even should it supposed to be, he could 'care' less. that's the beautiful thing about your Master here. take a hint eh, and straighten up this little boy act. i really don't have time to play and pay attention to those who can't grasp things. and you are becoming tireome. i'm sure folks have told you this about yourself all your life. now is the time mstrdmmlbrn...ho hoh ho .did someone pin that stupid handle on you? here's a tip. that's plain stupid fella. hehehe. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " > > <mstrdmmlbrn@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No adithya, absolutle NO! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First pain is beyond thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pain is a feeling. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feelings arise far beyond thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thougts are EGO protective avoidance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts are pride, teachings, preachings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing but words, words, words from awful minds! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If mind is awful, then, who are you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who are you, if not a mind? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A friend of mine, I call > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You mean a friend of mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Munich Master of Nastiness' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > summs up his years of exerience... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His experiences have been a curse to his EGO, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is he and his ego... 2 different things??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If not, what is this " his ego " ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > therefor Michael, Munich Master of Nastiness, > > > > > > > > knows, what he writes. Praxis not theories, dear ac! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is [to you], what it appears [to you]! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can it be any other way [to you]? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does it need to any other way? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without any particular order, evaluation or filter: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) because the ego is rough, ruthless and cold like stone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " because I am rough, ruthless and cold like stone " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) because our present environment consists of false > > softness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " because I consider the softness that I see in the > > environment > > > > as > > > > > > > false " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > c) because we are programmed to remain soft childs, and > > the > > > > > > > > programming needs to be overcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " because I think I am programmed to remain as soft child, > > > > because, I > > > > > > > see myself as a soft child and I think this 'childlike > > > > softness' is > > > > > > > something I " need " to overcome. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > d) because I like to be loud at unpredictable moments, and > > > > > > > > energetically suppressed persons react negatively to that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " because I think I like to be loud at what I think > > > > > > > are 'unpredictable' moments, and, I think some > > people " react " > > > > to it > > > > > > > in " negative " way and I think those who react this way are > > > > > > > energetically depressed. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e) because we need to express all of our feelings and not > > > > only the > > > > > > > > " positive " ones. As the negative ones have been repressed > > > > > > > > most, they come out first. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " because I think I need to express all my feelings and I > > think I > > > > > > > only express positive ones. I think I have repressed my > > negative > > > > > > > feelings and I think my negative feelings come out first > > and I > > > > think > > > > > > > it is because I repress them. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apply this exercise to each statement [from a to k] too and > > be > > > > > > > totally honest and truthful [to yourself] while doing it! > > Then, > > > > > > > apply work to each of these statements and tell us exactly > > what > > > > > > > happened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If possible, share your worksheet with us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > ac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Below is the intro to the *work*, if you have never done it > > > > before: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Work > > > > > > > ====== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Work of Byron Katie > > > > > > > The Four Questions > > > > > > > 1. Is it true? > > > > > > > 2. Can you absolutely know that it's true? > > > > > > > 3. How do you react when you believe that thought? > > > > > > > 4. Who would you be without the thought? > > > > > > > And remember to turn it around. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.thework.com/AudiobookSampler.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/results? > > > > > > search_query=Byron+Katie & search=Search > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [NNB] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > f) because the suppression of ourselves happened in > > painful, > > > > > > > > traumatic moments or during endless and hopeless years, > > the > > > > > > > energy > > > > > > > > release has strong pain connotation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > g) because ego is elevating itself above nature, it will > > have > > > > to > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > pulled down from it's pedestal, and that is felt as > > painful, > > > > > > > shameful > > > > > > > > etc. This process is supported on the energetical level > > by our > > > > > > > > environment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - job gets lost, girl/boyfriend ends the relationship > > > > > > > > in the most painful way possible, money is lost, friends > > are > > > > > > > > leaving, things get stolen, car is wracked, bank account > > > > > > > > gets confiscated etc. We will experience that as if the > > > > > > > > whole world is against us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > h) because during the rising our nature will get rid of > > the > > > > > > > > unnatural parts in us we will experience this transition > > as > > > > > > > > being against us, though in fact _we_ are against our > > nature. > > > > > > > > But it will be a fight in the beginning - a fight which we > > > > > > > > cannot win. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i) the Buddha will train us to trust him unconditionally. > > The > > > > > > > > traing-situations are especially tailored to each person > > and > > > > > > > > hence 100% trust is individually needed. That is not > > > > experienced > > > > > > > > as easy. When we fail the tests, it will even become less > > > > easy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > h) part of the inner cleansing is the " dark night of the > > soul " > > > > > > > > - see the literature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i) the rising bioenergetic level will bring suppressed > > > > negativity > > > > > > > > and illness to the outbreak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > j) with the rising sensitivity the soul will start > > balancing > > > > > > Karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > k) adjusting the body to the higher energy levels is > > > > experienced > > > > > > > > painful in itself; years of intense migraine for example > > are > > > > not > > > > > > > > uncommon. But that's one of the lesser problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the simple reason, blessed ac, > > > > > > > > that slime licking flatteries only fail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THE WORK HAS to be rough! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore most people in this tears curse suffering > > > > > > > > call this experience the ''DIRTY WORK'' - beyond slime > > smiles! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone out there who can tell me what the above is all about? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no. there is no one anywhere. and nothing is about anything > > anyway. > > > > > don't concern yourself(which is not) with that which has no > > meaning > > > > > because there is no such condition or quality as 'meaning'. go > > with > > > > > the flow. you have no choice. the flow and 'you' and > > the 'above' and > > > > > all things considered, are one and the same 'somewhat' that has > > no > > > > > description, meaning, direction, form, characteristics, > > thoughts, > > > > > opinions, beliefs, nor 'living' qualities whatsoever. asking > > the > > > > above > > > > > is akin to, and no different than, asking why is the sky blue > > (?), > > > > what > > > > > IS blue(?), why should 'it' matter'(?), who's asking(?), who am > > > > > 'i'(?),......all such queries are without meaning and lead to > > the > > > > same > > > > > 'nowhere' that your current beliefs and hopes and thoughts do > > > > already > > > > > now lead......NO PLACE! suck 'it' up and get on with 'it'. > > don't > > > > > pretend that there should be some import to either your > > question or > > > > > what it refers to. there is no message anywhere at anytime or > > > > anyplace > > > > > anyhow except for what 'you' see or don't. nothing is relevant > > to > > > > the > > > > > truth. there are no 'things' to be relevant about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > " there are no 'things' to be relevant about. " > > > > > > > > -I agree, there's nothing important enough to worry about, but is > > > > that why you needed that whole essay to make YOUR point? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no point was made. there are no such things. 'you' should know this > > by > > > now. shame on 'you'. there is no 'me' to feel shame. 'you' however > > > seem mired in 'you'. and that too is a shame. god bless. > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > Who spoke of shame? A mesh mash e? > > > > Ha Ha hahahah! i KNEW it was going to keep coming. you could become an > embarrassment with your attraction to me here, strange moniker dude. > watch it. there are those watching you and it's getting to be beyond > funny, and developing into a concern about your emotional and mental > health. not for baba bobji though. your health or anyone else's is not > his concern and even should it supposed to be, he could 'care' less. > that's the beautiful thing about your Master here. take a hint eh, and > straighten up this little boy act. i really don't have time to play > and pay attention to those who can't grasp things. and you are > becoming tireome. i'm sure folks have told you this about yourself all > your life. now is the time mstrdmmlbrn...ho hoh ho .did someone pin > that stupid handle on you? here's a tip. that's plain stupid fella. > hehehe. > > > .b b.b. > While when the entered good it whereupon the to elder, water one five side who my well. 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Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " > <mstrdmmlbrn@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " > > > <mstrdmmlbrn@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No adithya, absolutle NO! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First pain is beyond thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pain is a feeling. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feelings arise far beyond thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thougts are EGO protective avoidance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts are pride, teachings, preachings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing but words, words, words from awful minds! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If mind is awful, then, who are you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who are you, if not a mind? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A friend of mine, I call > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You mean a friend of mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Munich Master of Nastiness' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > summs up his years of exerience... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His experiences have been a curse to his EGO, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is he and his ego... 2 different things??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If not, what is this " his ego " ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > therefor Michael, Munich Master of Nastiness, > > > > > > > > > knows, what he writes. Praxis not theories, dear ac! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is [to you], what it appears [to you]! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can it be any other way [to you]? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does it need to any other way? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without any particular order, evaluation or filter: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) because the ego is rough, ruthless and cold like > stone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " because I am rough, ruthless and cold like stone " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) because our present environment consists of false > > > softness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " because I consider the softness that I see in the > > > environment > > > > > as > > > > > > > > false " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > c) because we are programmed to remain soft childs, > and > > > the > > > > > > > > > programming needs to be overcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " because I think I am programmed to remain as soft > child, > > > > > because, I > > > > > > > > see myself as a soft child and I think this 'childlike > > > > > softness' is > > > > > > > > something I " need " to overcome. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > d) because I like to be loud at unpredictable > moments, and > > > > > > > > > energetically suppressed persons react negatively to > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " because I think I like to be loud at what I think > > > > > > > > are 'unpredictable' moments, and, I think some > > > people " react " > > > > > to it > > > > > > > > in " negative " way and I think those who react this way > are > > > > > > > > energetically depressed. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e) because we need to express all of our feelings and > not > > > > > only the > > > > > > > > > " positive " ones. As the negative ones have been > repressed > > > > > > > > > most, they come out first. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " because I think I need to express all my feelings and > I > > > think I > > > > > > > > only express positive ones. I think I have repressed my > > > negative > > > > > > > > feelings and I think my negative feelings come out > first > > > and I > > > > > think > > > > > > > > it is because I repress them. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apply this exercise to each statement [from a to k] too > and > > > be > > > > > > > > totally honest and truthful [to yourself] while doing > it! > > > Then, > > > > > > > > apply work to each of these statements and tell us > exactly > > > what > > > > > > > > happened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If possible, share your worksheet with us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > ac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Below is the intro to the *work*, if you have never > done it > > > > > before: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Work > > > > > > > > ====== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Work of Byron Katie > > > > > > > > The Four Questions > > > > > > > > 1. Is it true? > > > > > > > > 2. Can you absolutely know that it's true? > > > > > > > > 3. How do you react when you believe that thought? > > > > > > > > 4. Who would you be without the thought? > > > > > > > > And remember to turn it around. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.thework.com/AudiobookSampler.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/results? > > > > > > > search_query=Byron+Katie & search=Search > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [NNB] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > f) because the suppression of ourselves happened in > > > painful, > > > > > > > > > traumatic moments or during endless and hopeless > years, > > > the > > > > > > > > energy > > > > > > > > > release has strong pain connotation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > g) because ego is elevating itself above nature, it > will > > > have > > > > > to > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > pulled down from it's pedestal, and that is felt as > > > painful, > > > > > > > > shameful > > > > > > > > > etc. This process is supported on the energetical > level > > > by our > > > > > > > > > environment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - job gets lost, girl/boyfriend ends the relationship > > > > > > > > > in the most painful way possible, money is lost, > friends > > > are > > > > > > > > > leaving, things get stolen, car is wracked, bank > account > > > > > > > > > gets confiscated etc. We will experience that as if > the > > > > > > > > > whole world is against us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > h) because during the rising our nature will get rid > of > > > the > > > > > > > > > unnatural parts in us we will experience this > transition > > > as > > > > > > > > > being against us, though in fact _we_ are against our > > > nature. > > > > > > > > > But it will be a fight in the beginning - a fight > which we > > > > > > > > > cannot win. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i) the Buddha will train us to trust him > unconditionally. > > > The > > > > > > > > > traing-situations are especially tailored to each > person > > > and > > > > > > > > > hence 100% trust is individually needed. That is not > > > > > experienced > > > > > > > > > as easy. When we fail the tests, it will even become > less > > > > > easy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > h) part of the inner cleansing is the " dark night of > the > > > soul " > > > > > > > > > - see the literature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i) the rising bioenergetic level will bring > suppressed > > > > > negativity > > > > > > > > > and illness to the outbreak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > j) with the rising sensitivity the soul will start > > > balancing > > > > > > > Karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > k) adjusting the body to the higher energy levels is > > > > > experienced > > > > > > > > > painful in itself; years of intense migraine for > example > > > are > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > uncommon. But that's one of the lesser problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the simple reason, blessed ac, > > > > > > > > > that slime licking flatteries only fail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THE WORK HAS to be rough! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore most people in this tears curse suffering > > > > > > > > > call this experience the ''DIRTY WORK'' - beyond > slime > > > smiles! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone out there who can tell me what the above is all > about? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no. there is no one anywhere. and nothing is about anything > > > anyway. > > > > > > don't concern yourself(which is not) with that which has no > > > meaning > > > > > > because there is no such condition or quality as 'meaning'. > go > > > with > > > > > > the flow. you have no choice. the flow and 'you' and > > > the 'above' and > > > > > > all things considered, are one and the same 'somewhat' that > has > > > no > > > > > > description, meaning, direction, form, characteristics, > > > thoughts, > > > > > > opinions, beliefs, nor 'living' qualities whatsoever. > asking > > > the > > > > > above > > > > > > is akin to, and no different than, asking why is the sky > blue > > > (?), > > > > > what > > > > > > IS blue(?), why should 'it' matter'(?), who's asking(?), > who am > > > > > > 'i'(?),......all such queries are without meaning and lead > to > > > the > > > > > same > > > > > > 'nowhere' that your current beliefs and hopes and thoughts > do > > > > > already > > > > > > now lead......NO PLACE! suck 'it' up and get on with 'it'. > > > don't > > > > > > pretend that there should be some import to either your > > > question or > > > > > > what it refers to. there is no message anywhere at anytime > or > > > > > anyplace > > > > > > anyhow except for what 'you' see or don't. nothing is > relevant > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > truth. there are no 'things' to be relevant about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " there are no 'things' to be relevant about. " > > > > > > > > > > -I agree, there's nothing important enough to worry about, > but is > > > > > that why you needed that whole essay to make YOUR point? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no point was made. there are no such things. 'you' should know > this > > > by > > > > now. shame on 'you'. there is no 'me' to feel shame. 'you' > however > > > > seem mired in 'you'. and that too is a shame. god bless. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > Who spoke of shame? A mesh mash e? > > > > > > > > Ha Ha hahahah! i KNEW it was going to keep coming. you could become > an > > embarrassment with your attraction to me here, strange moniker dude. > > watch it. there are those watching you and it's getting to be beyond > > funny, and developing into a concern about your emotional and mental > > health. not for baba bobji though. your health or anyone else's is > not > > his concern and even should it supposed to be, he could 'care' less. > > that's the beautiful thing about your Master here. take a hint eh, > and > > straighten up this little boy act. i really don't have time to play > > and pay attention to those who can't grasp things. and you are > > becoming tireome. i'm sure folks have told you this about yourself > all > > your life. now is the time mstrdmmlbrn...ho hoh ho .did someone pin > > that stupid handle on you? here's a tip. that's plain stupid fella. > > hehehe. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > While when the entered good it whereupon the to elder, water one five > side who my well. > Pair five to at mother had, conversely are charade what him chief. > So dead. > She camp to floor discussion when and reference. > Craving with the the they rests, such presence of possesor so > beauties. > Enz. etc. etc et e..... > yessiree bob.......plain stupid. ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " > > <mstrdmmlbrn@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " > > > > <mstrdmmlbrn@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > > > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No adithya, absolutle NO! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First pain is beyond thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pain is a feeling. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feelings arise far beyond thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thougts are EGO protective avoidance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts are pride, teachings, preachings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing but words, words, words from awful minds! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If mind is awful, then, who are you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who are you, if not a mind? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A friend of mine, I call > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You mean a friend of mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Munich Master of Nastiness' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > summs up his years of exerience... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His experiences have been a curse to his EGO, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is he and his ego... 2 different things??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If not, what is this " his ego " ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > therefor Michael, Munich Master of Nastiness, > > > > > > > > > > knows, what he writes. Praxis not theories, dear ac! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is [to you], what it appears [to you]! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can it be any other way [to you]? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does it need to any other way? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without any particular order, evaluation or filter: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) because the ego is rough, ruthless and cold like > > stone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " because I am rough, ruthless and cold like stone " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) because our present environment consists of false > > > > softness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " because I consider the softness that I see in the > > > > environment > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > false " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > c) because we are programmed to remain soft childs, > > and > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > programming needs to be overcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " because I think I am programmed to remain as soft > > child, > > > > > > because, I > > > > > > > > > see myself as a soft child and I think this 'childlike > > > > > > softness' is > > > > > > > > > something I " need " to overcome. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > d) because I like to be loud at unpredictable > > moments, and > > > > > > > > > > energetically suppressed persons react negatively to > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " because I think I like to be loud at what I think > > > > > > > > > are 'unpredictable' moments, and, I think some > > > > people " react " > > > > > > to it > > > > > > > > > in " negative " way and I think those who react this way > > are > > > > > > > > > energetically depressed. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e) because we need to express all of our feelings and > > not > > > > > > only the > > > > > > > > > > " positive " ones. As the negative ones have been > > repressed > > > > > > > > > > most, they come out first. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try saying it as: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " because I think I need to express all my feelings and > > I > > > > think I > > > > > > > > > only express positive ones. I think I have repressed my > > > > negative > > > > > > > > > feelings and I think my negative feelings come out > > first > > > > and I > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > it is because I repress them. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, see if it still makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apply this exercise to each statement [from a to k] too > > and > > > > be > > > > > > > > > totally honest and truthful [to yourself] while doing > > it! > > > > Then, > > > > > > > > > apply work to each of these statements and tell us > > exactly > > > > what > > > > > > > > > happened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If possible, share your worksheet with us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > ac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Below is the intro to the *work*, if you have never > > done it > > > > > > before: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Work > > > > > > > > > ====== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Work of Byron Katie > > > > > > > > > The Four Questions > > > > > > > > > 1. Is it true? > > > > > > > > > 2. Can you absolutely know that it's true? > > > > > > > > > 3. How do you react when you believe that thought? > > > > > > > > > 4. Who would you be without the thought? > > > > > > > > > And remember to turn it around. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.thework.com/AudiobookSampler.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/results? > > > > > > > > search_query=Byron+Katie & search=Search > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [NNB] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > f) because the suppression of ourselves happened in > > > > painful, > > > > > > > > > > traumatic moments or during endless and hopeless > > years, > > > > the > > > > > > > > > energy > > > > > > > > > > release has strong pain connotation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > g) because ego is elevating itself above nature, it > > will > > > > have > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > pulled down from it's pedestal, and that is felt as > > > > painful, > > > > > > > > > shameful > > > > > > > > > > etc. This process is supported on the energetical > > level > > > > by our > > > > > > > > > > environment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - job gets lost, girl/boyfriend ends the relationship > > > > > > > > > > in the most painful way possible, money is lost, > > friends > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > leaving, things get stolen, car is wracked, bank > > account > > > > > > > > > > gets confiscated etc. We will experience that as if > > the > > > > > > > > > > whole world is against us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > h) because during the rising our nature will get rid > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > unnatural parts in us we will experience this > > transition > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > being against us, though in fact _we_ are against our > > > > nature. > > > > > > > > > > But it will be a fight in the beginning - a fight > > which we > > > > > > > > > > cannot win. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i) the Buddha will train us to trust him > > unconditionally. > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > traing-situations are especially tailored to each > > person > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > hence 100% trust is individually needed. That is not > > > > > > experienced > > > > > > > > > > as easy. When we fail the tests, it will even become > > less > > > > > > easy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > h) part of the inner cleansing is the " dark night of > > the > > > > soul " > > > > > > > > > > - see the literature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i) the rising bioenergetic level will bring > > suppressed > > > > > > negativity > > > > > > > > > > and illness to the outbreak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > j) with the rising sensitivity the soul will start > > > > balancing > > > > > > > > Karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > k) adjusting the body to the higher energy levels is > > > > > > experienced > > > > > > > > > > painful in itself; years of intense migraine for > > example > > > > are > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > uncommon. But that's one of the lesser problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the simple reason, blessed ac, > > > > > > > > > > that slime licking flatteries only fail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THE WORK HAS to be rough! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore most people in this tears curse suffering > > > > > > > > > > call this experience the ''DIRTY WORK'' - beyond > > slime > > > > smiles! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone out there who can tell me what the above is all > > about? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no. there is no one anywhere. and nothing is about anything > > > > anyway. > > > > > > > don't concern yourself(which is not) with that which has no > > > > meaning > > > > > > > because there is no such condition or quality as 'meaning'. > > go > > > > with > > > > > > > the flow. you have no choice. the flow and 'you' and > > > > the 'above' and > > > > > > > all things considered, are one and the same 'somewhat' that > > has > > > > no > > > > > > > description, meaning, direction, form, characteristics, > > > > thoughts, > > > > > > > opinions, beliefs, nor 'living' qualities whatsoever. > > asking > > > > the > > > > > > above > > > > > > > is akin to, and no different than, asking why is the sky > > blue > > > > (?), > > > > > > what > > > > > > > IS blue(?), why should 'it' matter'(?), who's asking (?), > > who am > > > > > > > 'i'(?),......all such queries are without meaning and lead > > to > > > > the > > > > > > same > > > > > > > 'nowhere' that your current beliefs and hopes and thoughts > > do > > > > > > already > > > > > > > now lead......NO PLACE! suck 'it' up and get on with 'it'. > > > > don't > > > > > > > pretend that there should be some import to either your > > > > question or > > > > > > > what it refers to. there is no message anywhere at anytime > > or > > > > > > anyplace > > > > > > > anyhow except for what 'you' see or don't. nothing is > > relevant > > > > to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > truth. there are no 'things' to be relevant about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " there are no 'things' to be relevant about. " > > > > > > > > > > > > -I agree, there's nothing important enough to worry about, > > but is > > > > > > that why you needed that whole essay to make YOUR point? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no point was made. there are no such things. 'you' should know > > this > > > > by > > > > > now. shame on 'you'. there is no 'me' to feel shame. 'you' > > however > > > > > seem mired in 'you'. and that too is a shame. god bless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > Who spoke of shame? A mesh mash e? > > > > > > > > > > > > Ha Ha hahahah! i KNEW it was going to keep coming. you could become > > an > > > embarrassment with your attraction to me here, strange moniker dude. > > > watch it. there are those watching you and it's getting to be beyond > > > funny, and developing into a concern about your emotional and mental > > > health. not for baba bobji though. your health or anyone else's is > > not > > > his concern and even should it supposed to be, he could 'care' less. > > > that's the beautiful thing about your Master here. take a hint eh, > > and > > > straighten up this little boy act. i really don't have time to play > > > and pay attention to those who can't grasp things. and you are > > > becoming tireome. i'm sure folks have told you this about yourself > > all > > > your life. now is the time mstrdmmlbrn...ho hoh ho .did someone pin > > > that stupid handle on you? here's a tip. that's plain stupid fella. > > > hehehe. > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > While when the entered good it whereupon the to elder, water one five > > side who my well. > > Pair five to at mother had, conversely are charade what him chief. > > So dead. > > She camp to floor discussion when and reference. > > Craving with the the they rests, such presence of possesor so > > beauties. > > Enz. etc. etc et e..... > > > > > yessiree bob.......plain stupid. > > .b b.b. > What is that you don't understand little man. 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