Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 dear friends, Why is everyone so rude and sanctimonious on this forum. Even a plea is dismissed off derisively by those who think they have arrived. Besides because the Master was such doesnt qualify people to imitate so poorly at the form and not his substance. Besides if some were were truly such " Jnanis " as he you would hold yourself in benediction and silence than be so constantly hectoring. I am reminded about an old Indian anecdote that brings out the differece between " Paramarthika Satya " absolute truth and " Vyavaharika Satya " our provisional truth as stated by Shankara. I like this anecdote and I think I can share it with you. " One day the Advaita master Adi Shankaracharya was running on the streets of Kashi being chased by a mad elephant. One of his detractors yelled behind his back chuckling at Shankara's discomfiture " O Shankara why do you run; remember that the elephant and the chasing is only an illusion " . Shankara annoyed at the observation yelled back " O foll remeber if the elephant is an illusion so is my running " . Warm regards and love Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Nisargadatta , " nadazerozip " <markroberttimmins wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " nadazerozip " > > <markroberttimmins@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " nadazerozip " > > > <markroberttimmins@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " A. Srinivas Rao " > > > > > <profsrinivasrao@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have an earnest plea. I have been new to Sri > Nisargadatta > > > > > Maharaj's > > > > > > > teachings. I have joined this forum to hear more about > his > > > life, > > > > > and > > > > > > > his teachings. I am sorry to say that I havent been > > > encouraged by > > > > > > > recent posts. May I request you that we keep this forum's > > > > > objectives in > > > > > > > mind when we post our thoughts and ideas. I feel we might > at > > > > > times lose > > > > > > > sight and inadvertantly demean the memory of Sri Maharaj. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love to all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P; Whose memory of him? Yours? Did you know him? > > > > > > How do you demean a memory? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Good Gawd man! The guy only wants to stay on topic and you > > > attack > > > > > the words he chooses in making that plea and you turn it into > a > > > > > mindfuck discussion about words. Good job. > > > > > > > > > > I am afraid it ain't going to happen here Srinivas. > > > > > > > > > > > > P: It did happened here, and will happen again. If he, or you > > > > were truly interested to read about Maharaj, you only have > > > > to go to to this site homepage and enter that word in search, > > > > that will give you more than 3000 messages in which that > > > > name appeared. Plus, there is the file section. So, getting off > > > > the high horse of desacrating sacred words, and memories > > > > is a good start to learn about what is beyond words. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hit a refreshed quote of his wisdom probably 10 to 20 times a > day. > > > " I am that " is my book of choice when on the toliet. The draw to > my > > > visiting on this board is to be in satsang,not to be in mind > > > masturbation. But nonetheless I am drawn to reading here. It > helps my > > > vigilance. > > > Words are words. There are words that point to nothing but all > words > > > are mind. > > > > > > Then there are words that just point to more and more mind. > > > Analysing,judging and all that. Desecrating memories? More mind! > > > Nisargadatta is not a memory. How rude! He his alive in my > heart. > > > > > > And how in the world do you learn about what is beyond words? > Sounds > > > like more mind to me. Get real. > > > > > > But sorry about my high horse, you had that part right. > > > > > > > > > > > To confuse the force of the words with the man will bind you to the > dream. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > the force you speak of is not in the words, but rather in the heart > hearing the words. Rare indeed is the person who resonates with Nisargadatta. Most simply shrug him off. Even when he was alive, relatively few ever sat in his presence. Of those.......many listened for a while....and walked off. But when one who is primed.......comes in contact with those words......a conflagration can occur.....and one's orbit is permanently changed. When I first picked up " I AM THAT " , (10 years ago) I read a few pages and had to sit down......Since then I believe that I have read every book written about him....Dunn, Powell, Ramesh et al..... You are not alone in your fascination with the way he combined words into something that could eviscerate the reader. What he says is sometimes potent enough to destroy the known world. > > Nisargadatta the man,from my understanding, was rather impatient and > rude > He was a man. One of his follower's favorite memory of him was watching him help his six year old granddaughter with her homework. Reportedly if he felt someone had heard what he had to say and lingered too long, he would tell them to get the hell out of his house and never return. If he has you....and it looks like he has....you are a goner. :-) toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " nadazerozip " > <markroberttimmins@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " nadazerozip " > > > <markroberttimmins@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " nadazerozip " > > > > <markroberttimmins@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " A. Srinivas Rao " > > > > > > <profsrinivasrao@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have an earnest plea. I have been new to Sri > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Maharaj's > > > > > > > > teachings. I have joined this forum to hear more about > > his > > > > life, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > his teachings. I am sorry to say that I havent been > > > > encouraged by > > > > > > > > recent posts. May I request you that we keep this forum's > > > > > > objectives in > > > > > > > > mind when we post our thoughts and ideas. I feel we might > > at > > > > > > times lose > > > > > > > > sight and inadvertantly demean the memory of Sri Maharaj. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love to all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P; Whose memory of him? Yours? Did you know him? > > > > > > > How do you demean a memory? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Good Gawd man! The guy only wants to stay on topic and you > > > > attack > > > > > > the words he chooses in making that plea and you turn it into > > a > > > > > > mindfuck discussion about words. Good job. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am afraid it ain't going to happen here Srinivas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: It did happened here, and will happen again. If he, or you > > > > > were truly interested to read about Maharaj, you only have > > > > > to go to to this site homepage and enter that word in search, > > > > > that will give you more than 3000 messages in which that > > > > > name appeared. Plus, there is the file section. So, getting off > > > > > the high horse of desacrating sacred words, and memories > > > > > is a good start to learn about what is beyond words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hit a refreshed quote of his wisdom probably 10 to 20 times a > > day. > > > > " I am that " is my book of choice when on the toliet. The draw to > > my > > > > visiting on this board is to be in satsang,not to be in mind > > > > masturbation. But nonetheless I am drawn to reading here. It > > helps my > > > > vigilance. > > > > Words are words. There are words that point to nothing but all > > words > > > > are mind. > > > > > > > > Then there are words that just point to more and more mind. > > > > Analysing,judging and all that. Desecrating memories? More mind! > > > > Nisargadatta is not a memory. How rude! He his alive in my > > heart. > > > > > > > > And how in the world do you learn about what is beyond words? > > Sounds > > > > like more mind to me. Get real. > > > > > > > > But sorry about my high horse, you had that part right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To confuse the force of the words with the man will bind you to the > > dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > the force you speak of is not in the words, but rather in the heart > > hearing the words. Rare indeed is the person who resonates with Nisargadatta. > Most simply shrug him off. > Even when he was alive, relatively few ever sat in his presence. > Of those.......many listened for a while....and walked off. > But when one who is primed.......comes in contact with those > words......a conflagration can occur.....and one's orbit is > permanently changed. > > When I first picked up " I AM THAT " , (10 years ago) I read a few pages > and had to sit down......Since then I believe that I have read every > book written about him....Dunn, Powell, Ramesh et al..... > > You are not alone in your fascination with the way he combined words > into something that could eviscerate the reader. > > What he says is sometimes potent enough to destroy the known world. > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta the man,from my understanding, was rather impatient and > > rude > He was a man. > > One of his follower's favorite memory of him was watching him help his > six year old granddaughter with her homework. > > Reportedly if he felt someone had heard what he had to say and > lingered too long, he would tell them to get the hell out of his house > and never return. > > If he has you....and it looks like he has....you are a goner. > > > :-) > > > > > toombaru LOL. nice try. no cigar. au fond, the above statement errs. a 'goner' is a concept that necessarily implies a 'comer'. niether concept is real. fundamentally, nothing is real. no thing no here no there no coming, no going...who is there to effect such actions? Nisargadatta? a 'follower'? a reader of either? some ideal of 'oneness'? no way jose. neither Nisargadatta nor Ramana, not Jesus nor Buddha, most certainly not the Prophet, 'has' ANYONE. quite specifically, they all have NO ONE. they would inform the deluded of just this. if they weren't dead. and if they had indeed ever 'been'. you're welcome for the above clarifications. it doesn't matter anyway. who cares? just who is there(or here) to do 'that'? ..b bobji baba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Nisargadatta , " nadazerozip " <markroberttimmins wrote: > > > I hit a refreshed quote of his wisdom probably 10 to 20 times a day. > " I am that " is my book of choice when on the toliet. The draw to my > visiting on this board is to be in satsang,not to be in mind > masturbation. But nonetheless I am drawn to reading here. It helps my > vigilance. > Words are words. There are words that point to nothing but all words > are mind. > > Then there are words that just point to more and more mind. > Analysing,judging and all that. Desecrating memories? More mind! > Nisargadatta is not a memory. How rude! He his alive in my heart. > > And how in the world do you learn about what is beyond words? Sounds > like more mind to me. Get real. > > But sorry about my high horse, you had that part right. P: Well, I suppose your name is Mark, but maybe you like to be called Nada (nothing). You can let us know what you want to be called. You mentioned masturbation in connection with spirituality, and that is a subject few understand. So lets talk about words and masturbation. Let's start with the word God, which is a very powerful, magical word. Does the power resides in the letters? Of course not. The same letters can form the word dog, which has no power, unless it's offensive power. If I call a man a dog, he's offended; if I call him a god, he's flattered. Why? Because of the meaning of the words. But what is meaning? Meaning comes from more words. God is the highest being, the creator, the father. Dog is a pet, the property of his owner. But this again, are just words. Words point to more words, but the meaning of words comes from feelings. For an infant whose first feelings about a dog came from a nice friendly dog, the meaning of the word is positive and loving. For a person, who as a baby, was scared out of his wits by an aggressive dog, the meaning is negative. So, reading pornography will kindle sexual desire by the feelings created by the words. Certain combinations of words can evoke very powerful emotions which will lead to masturbation. This not only apply to pornography, but also to poetry, literature, and oratory. These are art forms, which use the hypnotic power of words to stir emotions. But so does religious literature. People get very attached to reading religious literature to evoke religious feelings. They use prayer, and mantras, and holy books as spiritual pornography. They read to hype up their emotions to a climax of bliss. This is very addictive, and is what gives spiritual words their power. So, you see, until we understand the feelings behind words, how they came about, and how they shape the world we see, we are the hostages of our own words. Pete > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " nadazerozip " <markroberttimmins@> wrote: > > > > > I hit a refreshed quote of his wisdom probably 10 to 20 times a day. > > " I am that " is my book of choice when on the toliet. The draw to my > > visiting on this board is to be in satsang,not to be in mind > > masturbation. But nonetheless I am drawn to reading here. It helps my > > vigilance. > > Words are words. There are words that point to nothing but all words > > are mind. > > > > Then there are words that just point to more and more mind. > > Analysing,judging and all that. Desecrating memories? More mind! > > Nisargadatta is not a memory. How rude! He his alive in my heart. > > > > And how in the world do you learn about what is beyond words? Sounds > > like more mind to me. Get real. > > > > But sorry about my high horse, you had that part right. > > > P: Well, I suppose your name is Mark, but maybe you like > to be called Nada (nothing). You can let us know what > you want to be called. > > You mentioned masturbation in connection with spirituality, > and that is a subject few understand. So lets talk about words > and masturbation. Let's start with the word God, which is a very > powerful, magical word. Does the power resides in the letters? > Of course not. The same letters can form the word dog, which > has no power, unless it's offensive power. If I call a man a dog, > he's offended; if I call him a god, he's flattered. Why? Because > of the meaning of the words. But what is meaning? Meaning > comes from more words. God is the highest being, the creator, > the father. Dog is a pet, the property of his owner. But this again, > are just words. Words point to more words, but the meaning of > words comes from feelings. For an infant whose > first feelings about a dog came from a nice friendly dog, the > meaning of the word is positive and loving. For a person, who > as a baby, was scared out of his wits by an aggressive dog, the > meaning is negative. > > So, reading pornography will kindle sexual desire by the feelings > created by the words. Certain combinations of words can evoke > very powerful emotions which will lead to masturbation. This not > only apply to pornography, but also to poetry, literature, and > oratory. These are art forms, which use the hypnotic power of words > to stir emotions. But so does religious literature. People get very > attached to reading religious literature to evoke religious feelings. > They use prayer, and mantras, and holy books as spiritual > pornography. They read to hype up their emotions to a climax of > bliss. This is very addictive, and is what gives spiritual words their > power. > > So, you see, until we understand the feelings behind words, how > they came about, and how they shape the world we see, we are > the hostages of our own words. > > Pete > > > > There is no hostage separate from the words. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " nadazerozip " > <markroberttimmins@> wrote: > > > > > > > I hit a refreshed quote of his wisdom probably 10 to 20 times a day. > > > " I am that " is my book of choice when on the toliet. The draw to my > > > visiting on this board is to be in satsang,not to be in mind > > > masturbation. But nonetheless I am drawn to reading here. It helps my > > > vigilance. > > > Words are words. There are words that point to nothing but all words > > > are mind. > > > > > > Then there are words that just point to more and more mind. > > > Analysing,judging and all that. Desecrating memories? More mind! > > > Nisargadatta is not a memory. How rude! He his alive in my heart. > > > > > > And how in the world do you learn about what is beyond words? Sounds > > > like more mind to me. Get real. > > > > > > But sorry about my high horse, you had that part right. > > > > > > P: Well, I suppose your name is Mark, but maybe you like > > to be called Nada (nothing). You can let us know what > > you want to be called. > > > > You mentioned masturbation in connection with spirituality, > > and that is a subject few understand. So lets talk about words > > and masturbation. Let's start with the word God, which is a very > > powerful, magical word. Does the power resides in the letters? > > Of course not. The same letters can form the word dog, which > > has no power, unless it's offensive power. If I call a man a dog, > > he's offended; if I call him a god, he's flattered. Why? Because > > of the meaning of the words. But what is meaning? Meaning > > comes from more words. God is the highest being, the creator, > > the father. Dog is a pet, the property of his owner. But this again, > > are just words. Words point to more words, but the meaning of > > words comes from feelings. For an infant whose > > first feelings about a dog came from a nice friendly dog, the > > meaning of the word is positive and loving. For a person, who > > as a baby, was scared out of his wits by an aggressive dog, the > > meaning is negative. > > > > So, reading pornography will kindle sexual desire by the feelings > > created by the words. Certain combinations of words can evoke > > very powerful emotions which will lead to masturbation. This not > > only apply to pornography, but also to poetry, literature, and > > oratory. These are art forms, which use the hypnotic power of words > > to stir emotions. But so does religious literature. People get very > > attached to reading religious literature to evoke religious feelings. > > They use prayer, and mantras, and holy books as spiritual > > pornography. They read to hype up their emotions to a climax of > > bliss. This is very addictive, and is what gives spiritual words their > > power. > > > > So, you see, until we understand the feelings behind words, how > > they came about, and how they shape the world we see, we are > > the hostages of our own words. > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > There is no hostage separate from the words. > > > toombaru > and words is all I have to give away;-) Love, Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " nadazerozip " > <markroberttimmins@> wrote: > > > > > > > I hit a refreshed quote of his wisdom probably 10 to 20 times a day. > > > " I am that " is my book of choice when on the toliet. The draw to my > > > visiting on this board is to be in satsang,not to be in mind > > > masturbation. But nonetheless I am drawn to reading here. It helps my > > > vigilance. > > > Words are words. There are words that point to nothing but all words > > > are mind. > > > > > > Then there are words that just point to more and more mind. > > > Analysing,judging and all that. Desecrating memories? More mind! > > > Nisargadatta is not a memory. How rude! He his alive in my heart. > > > > > > And how in the world do you learn about what is beyond words? Sounds > > > like more mind to me. Get real. > > > > > > But sorry about my high horse, you had that part right. > > > > > > P: Well, I suppose your name is Mark, but maybe you like > > to be called Nada (nothing). You can let us know what > > you want to be called. > > > > You mentioned masturbation in connection with spirituality, > > and that is a subject few understand. So lets talk about words > > and masturbation. Let's start with the word God, which is a very > > powerful, magical word. Does the power resides in the letters? > > Of course not. The same letters can form the word dog, which > > has no power, unless it's offensive power. If I call a man a dog, > > he's offended; if I call him a god, he's flattered. Why? Because > > of the meaning of the words. But what is meaning? Meaning > > comes from more words. God is the highest being, the creator, > > the father. Dog is a pet, the property of his owner. But this again, > > are just words. Words point to more words, but the meaning of > > words comes from feelings. For an infant whose > > first feelings about a dog came from a nice friendly dog, the > > meaning of the word is positive and loving. For a person, who > > as a baby, was scared out of his wits by an aggressive dog, the > > meaning is negative. > > > > So, reading pornography will kindle sexual desire by the feelings > > created by the words. Certain combinations of words can evoke > > very powerful emotions which will lead to masturbation. This not > > only apply to pornography, but also to poetry, literature, and > > oratory. These are art forms, which use the hypnotic power of words > > to stir emotions. But so does religious literature. People get very > > attached to reading religious literature to evoke religious feelings. > > They use prayer, and mantras, and holy books as spiritual > > pornography. They read to hype up their emotions to a climax of > > bliss. This is very addictive, and is what gives spiritual words their > > power. > > > > So, you see, until we understand the feelings behind words, how > > they came about, and how they shape the world we see, we are > > the hostages of our own words. > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > There is no hostage separate from the words. > > > toombaru P: Toomb, I don't think you have ponder the meaning of illusion to its bitter end. Suppose, a madman thinks he is Napoleon; of course, that he is Napoleon, is an illusion; but until he cease to think that, he's mad. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " nadazerozip " > > <markroberttimmins@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I hit a refreshed quote of his wisdom probably 10 to 20 times a day. > > > > " I am that " is my book of choice when on the toliet. The draw to my > > > > visiting on this board is to be in satsang,not to be in mind > > > > masturbation. But nonetheless I am drawn to reading here. It helps my > > > > vigilance. > > > > Words are words. There are words that point to nothing but all words > > > > are mind. > > > > > > > > Then there are words that just point to more and more mind. > > > > Analysing,judging and all that. Desecrating memories? More mind! > > > > Nisargadatta is not a memory. How rude! He his alive in my heart. > > > > > > > > And how in the world do you learn about what is beyond words? Sounds > > > > like more mind to me. Get real. > > > > > > > > But sorry about my high horse, you had that part right. > > > > > > > > > P: Well, I suppose your name is Mark, but maybe you like > > > to be called Nada (nothing). You can let us know what > > > you want to be called. > > > > > > You mentioned masturbation in connection with spirituality, > > > and that is a subject few understand. So lets talk about words > > > and masturbation. Let's start with the word God, which is a very > > > powerful, magical word. Does the power resides in the letters? > > > Of course not. The same letters can form the word dog, which > > > has no power, unless it's offensive power. If I call a man a dog, > > > he's offended; if I call him a god, he's flattered. Why? Because > > > of the meaning of the words. But what is meaning? Meaning > > > comes from more words. God is the highest being, the creator, > > > the father. Dog is a pet, the property of his owner. But this again, > > > are just words. Words point to more words, but the meaning of > > > words comes from feelings. For an infant whose > > > first feelings about a dog came from a nice friendly dog, the > > > meaning of the word is positive and loving. For a person, who > > > as a baby, was scared out of his wits by an aggressive dog, the > > > meaning is negative. > > > > > > So, reading pornography will kindle sexual desire by the feelings > > > created by the words. Certain combinations of words can evoke > > > very powerful emotions which will lead to masturbation. This not > > > only apply to pornography, but also to poetry, literature, and > > > oratory. These are art forms, which use the hypnotic power of words > > > to stir emotions. But so does religious literature. People get very > > > attached to reading religious literature to evoke religious feelings. > > > They use prayer, and mantras, and holy books as spiritual > > > pornography. They read to hype up their emotions to a climax of > > > bliss. This is very addictive, and is what gives spiritual words their > > > power. > > > > > > So, you see, until we understand the feelings behind words, how > > > they came about, and how they shape the world we see, we are > > > the hostages of our own words. > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no hostage separate from the words. > > > > > > toombaru > > > P: Toomb, I don't think you have ponder(ed) the meaning > of (an)illusion to its bitter end.(?) Suppose, a madman thinks > he is Napoleon; of course, that he is Napoleon, is an > illusion; but until he cease(s) to think that, he's mad. an illusion for whom? what is 'sanity'? what meaning can that whole statement have outside of some idiosyncratic quirk, patterning 'itself' as a belief structure 'within', and 'as', a phantom idealization of 'individualism' that has no substantive value beyond it's zero point, gross assessment quality deemed as identity... masquerading as an illusionary 'self'? who is NOT Napoleon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " nadazerozip " > > <markroberttimmins@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I hit a refreshed quote of his wisdom probably 10 to 20 times a day. > > > > " I am that " is my book of choice when on the toliet. The draw to my > > > > visiting on this board is to be in satsang,not to be in mind > > > > masturbation. But nonetheless I am drawn to reading here. It helps my > > > > vigilance. > > > > Words are words. There are words that point to nothing but all words > > > > are mind. > > > > > > > > Then there are words that just point to more and more mind. > > > > Analysing,judging and all that. Desecrating memories? More mind! > > > > Nisargadatta is not a memory. How rude! He his alive in my heart. > > > > > > > > And how in the world do you learn about what is beyond words? Sounds > > > > like more mind to me. Get real. > > > > > > > > But sorry about my high horse, you had that part right. > > > > > > > > > P: Well, I suppose your name is Mark, but maybe you like > > > to be called Nada (nothing). You can let us know what > > > you want to be called. > > > > > > You mentioned masturbation in connection with spirituality, > > > and that is a subject few understand. So lets talk about words > > > and masturbation. Let's start with the word God, which is a very > > > powerful, magical word. Does the power resides in the letters? > > > Of course not. The same letters can form the word dog, which > > > has no power, unless it's offensive power. If I call a man a dog, > > > he's offended; if I call him a god, he's flattered. Why? Because > > > of the meaning of the words. But what is meaning? Meaning > > > comes from more words. God is the highest being, the creator, > > > the father. Dog is a pet, the property of his owner. But this again, > > > are just words. Words point to more words, but the meaning of > > > words comes from feelings. For an infant whose > > > first feelings about a dog came from a nice friendly dog, the > > > meaning of the word is positive and loving. For a person, who > > > as a baby, was scared out of his wits by an aggressive dog, the > > > meaning is negative. > > > > > > So, reading pornography will kindle sexual desire by the feelings > > > created by the words. Certain combinations of words can evoke > > > very powerful emotions which will lead to masturbation. This not > > > only apply to pornography, but also to poetry, literature, and > > > oratory. These are art forms, which use the hypnotic power of words > > > to stir emotions. But so does religious literature. People get very > > > attached to reading religious literature to evoke religious feelings. > > > They use prayer, and mantras, and holy books as spiritual > > > pornography. They read to hype up their emotions to a climax of > > > bliss. This is very addictive, and is what gives spiritual words their > > > power. > > > > > > So, you see, until we understand the feelings behind words, how > > > they came about, and how they shape the world we see, we are > > > the hostages of our own words. > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no hostage separate from the words. > > > > > > toombaru > > > P: Toomb, I don't think you have ponder the meaning > of illusion to its bitter end. Suppose, a madman thinks > he is Napoleon; of course, that he is Napoleon, is an > illusion; but until he cease to think that, he's mad. > > > There is madness...but no man that is mad. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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