Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 When somewhat says my memory is very good, they mean they seldom forget. They are not talking about the the aliveness of the memory. I can remember a sharp pain very vividly, without feeling pain, I can remember the taste of chocolate without feeling that sensation on my tongue. Try as I made I can't again watch that sunset at Carmel which took by breath away. In the same way, I can remember my first satory, what I saw, what I felt, and yet, it's like seeing a photo of myself on vacation. The freedom and wonder of being there are gone. Is the memory of sadness a thought, or sadness? Is the memory of love, or love itself? Memories of moods are more vivid, than memories of happenings. Can I remember being not? I think I could. After all, If I don't remember a thing, that would be remembering well. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > When somewhat says my memory > is very good, they mean they seldom > forget. They are not talking about the > the aliveness of the memory. I can > remember a sharp pain very vividly, > without feeling pain, I can remember > the taste of chocolate without feeling > that sensation on my tongue. Try as > I made I can't again watch that sunset at > Carmel which took by breath away. > > In the same way, I can remember my > first satory, what I saw, what I felt, and > yet, it's like seeing a photo of myself > on vacation. The freedom and wonder > of being there are gone. > > Is the memory of sadness a thought, or > sadness? Is the memory of love, or > love itself? Memories of moods are > more vivid, than memories of happenings. > Can I remember being not? I think I could. > After all, If I don't remember a thing, that > would be remembering well. > > Pete this is wonderful stuff. my goodness! you sure know your stuff, i certainly hope you post a lot more of this good material. you are marvelous. i think you should be nominated for an award. let's see if we can get a vote on it. you teach so well, and i sure do learn a lot from your words of wisdom here. golly i'd like to meet you in person some fine and lucky day. do you give out autographs? pictures? can we send you are snail male addresses to have same sent to us? can we start a fan club? have you been studying for lots and lots of years to arrive at the ability to write all of this excellent stuff? can we pay homage in any other ways? can you suggest some lists for us to to? maybe some that you participate in and dole out this wonderful witdom wisdom? i hope you belong to one or two others so that we can expand our 'pete libraries " . i sure want to thank you for the chance to read your enlightened passages. you are our kind of guy. please don't mock our humble attempts at adoration of you. but i know you wouldn't do that. i hope i'm not d for too much admiration. love, ..b bobji b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > When somewhat says my memory > > is very good, they mean they seldom > > forget. They are not talking about the > > the aliveness of the memory. I can > > remember a sharp pain very vividly, > > without feeling pain, I can remember > > the taste of chocolate without feeling > > that sensation on my tongue. Try as > > I made I can't again watch that sunset at > > Carmel which took by breath away. > > > > In the same way, I can remember my > > first satory, what I saw, what I felt, and > > yet, it's like seeing a photo of myself > > on vacation. The freedom and wonder > > of being there are gone. > > > > Is the memory of sadness a thought, or > > sadness? Is the memory of love, or > > love itself? Memories of moods are > > more vivid, than memories of happenings. > > Can I remember being not? I think I could. > > After all, If I don't remember a thing, that > > would be remembering well. > > > > Pete by the way, what is a 'satory'? it must be a very deep thing indeed. i know with plain old 'satori' there is no one present to see or feel anything whatsoever...kind of one of the main indicators of a real satori'. but this! this must be far beyond and away from such trifling things as 'spiritually enlightened' moment points. you remained in the background in the Face of God! better'n Moses i'd say. your my hero pete. nothing new below but it's worth the reread just for the prayerful supplication it puts out to our satoryed teacher here. your adoring baba, ..b bobji ****************************************************************** > this is wonderful stuff. my goodness! you sure know your stuff, i > certainly hope you post a lot more of this good material. you are > marvelous. i think you should be nominated for an award. let's see if > we can get a vote on it. you teach so well, and i sure do learn a lot > from your words of wisdom here. golly i'd like to meet you in person > some fine and lucky day. do you give out autographs? pictures? can we > send you are snail male addresses to have same sent to us? can we > start a fan club? have you been studying for lots and lots of years to > arrive at the ability to write all of this excellent stuff? can we pay > homage in any other ways? can you suggest some lists for us to > to? maybe some that you participate in and dole out this > wonderful witdom wisdom? i hope you belong to one or two others so > that we can expand our 'pete libraries " . i sure want to thank you for > the chance to read your enlightened passages. you are our kind of guy. > please don't mock our humble attempts at adoration of you. but i know > you wouldn't do that. i hope i'm not d for too much admiration. > > love, > > .b bobji b. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > When somewhat says my memory > > is very good, they mean they seldom > > forget. They are not talking about the > > the aliveness of the memory. I can > > remember a sharp pain very vividly, > > without feeling pain, I can remember > > the taste of chocolate without feeling > > that sensation on my tongue. Try as > > I made I can't again watch that sunset at > > Carmel which took by breath away. > > > > In the same way, I can remember my > > first satory, what I saw, what I felt, and > > yet, it's like seeing a photo of myself > > on vacation. The freedom and wonder > > of being there are gone. > > > > Is the memory of sadness a thought, or > > sadness? Is the memory of love, or > > love itself? Memories of moods are > > more vivid, than memories of happenings. > > Can I remember being not? I think I could. > > After all, If I don't remember a thing, that > > would be remembering well. > > > > Pete > > this is wonderful stuff. my goodness! you sure know your stuff, i > certainly hope you post a lot more of this good material. you are > marvelous. i think you should be nominated for an award. let's see if > we can get a vote on it. you teach so well, and i sure do learn a lot > from your words of wisdom here. golly i'd like to meet you in person > some fine and lucky day. do you give out autographs? pictures? can we > send you are snail male addresses to have same sent to us? can we > start a fan club? have you been studying for lots and lots of years to > arrive at the ability to write all of this excellent stuff? can we pay > homage in any other ways? can you suggest some lists for us to > to? maybe some that you participate in and dole out this > wonderful witdom wisdom? i hope you belong to one or two others so > that we can expand our 'pete libraries " . i sure want to thank you for > the chance to read your enlightened passages. you are our kind of guy. > please don't mock our humble attempts at adoration of you. but i know > you wouldn't do that. i hope i'm not d for too much admiration. > > love, > > .b bobji b. Hi Bob, You know the difference between you, and me? I'm not moved by words. No insult, mockery, or praise seems real to me, addresses me, or touches me. It's a nice position to be, Bob. And not hard to get to, once you see that when others talk about you, they're talking only about their opinions about an imaginary you they have fashioned to represent your actions and words. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > When somewhat says my memory > > > is very good, they mean they seldom > > > forget. They are not talking about the > > > the aliveness of the memory. I can > > > remember a sharp pain very vividly, > > > without feeling pain, I can remember > > > the taste of chocolate without feeling > > > that sensation on my tongue. Try as > > > I made I can't again watch that sunset at > > > Carmel which took by breath away. > > > > > > In the same way, I can remember my > > > first satory, what I saw, what I felt, and > > > yet, it's like seeing a photo of myself > > > on vacation. The freedom and wonder > > > of being there are gone. > > > > > > Is the memory of sadness a thought, or > > > sadness? Is the memory of love, or > > > love itself? Memories of moods are > > > more vivid, than memories of happenings. > > > Can I remember being not? I think I could. > > > After all, If I don't remember a thing, that > > > would be remembering well. > > > > > > Pete > > > > this is wonderful stuff. my goodness! you sure know your stuff, i > > certainly hope you post a lot more of this good material. you are > > marvelous. i think you should be nominated for an award. let's see if > > we can get a vote on it. you teach so well, and i sure do learn a lot > > from your words of wisdom here. golly i'd like to meet you in person > > some fine and lucky day. do you give out autographs? pictures? can we > > send you are snail male addresses to have same sent to us? can we > > start a fan club? have you been studying for lots and lots of years to > > arrive at the ability to write all of this excellent stuff? can we pay > > homage in any other ways? can you suggest some lists for us to > > to? maybe some that you participate in and dole out this > > wonderful witdom wisdom? i hope you belong to one or two others so > > that we can expand our 'pete libraries " . i sure want to thank you for > > the chance to read your enlightened passages. you are our kind of guy. > > please don't mock our humble attempts at adoration of you. but i know > > you wouldn't do that. i hope i'm not d for too much admiration. > > > > love, > > > > .b bobji b. > > > Hi Bob, > > You know the difference between you, and me? > > I'm not moved by words. No insult, mockery, > or praise seems real to me, addresses me, or > touches me. It's a nice position to be, Bob. And > not hard to get to, once you see that when others > talk about you, they're talking only about their > opinions about an imaginary you they have > fashioned to represent your actions and words. > > > > there is not one iota of difference between you and anybody. if you read your own paragraph above, after the initial mistake, ( " You know the difference between you, and me? " ), you will see that you are in agreement. you just don't know this. and you don't know yourself. your munificence is awesome, but you just haven't gotten very far with the real deal yet. that's why i chide you peter. it's all out of Love, and my love for you. say son,. why don't you get busy today and show how truly thoughtful you are. try and get people d that you personally cannot handle when they expose your inability to think straight. you've been trying that street urchin stuff with me on a couple of lists, for a couple of years. admittedly, you are an easy win, but your sour grapes are oft times very childish. that you have not learned this only lays bare the truth in the proposition presented. bless you peter. i hope only the best for you. now how 'bout that signed picture pal? how much? ..b bobji baba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > When somewhat says my memory > > > is very good, they mean they seldom > > > forget. They are not talking about the > > > the aliveness of the memory. I can > > > remember a sharp pain very vividly, > > > without feeling pain, I can remember > > > the taste of chocolate without feeling > > > that sensation on my tongue. Try as > > > I made I can't again watch that sunset at > > > Carmel which took by breath away. > > > > > > In the same way, I can remember my > > > first satory, what I saw, what I felt, and > > > yet, it's like seeing a photo of myself > > > on vacation. The freedom and wonder > > > of being there are gone. > > > > > > Is the memory of sadness a thought, or > > > sadness? Is the memory of love, or > > > love itself? Memories of moods are > > > more vivid, than memories of happenings. > > > Can I remember being not? I think I could. > > > After all, If I don't remember a thing, that > > > would be remembering well. > > > > > > Pete > > > > B: by the way, what is a 'satory'? it must be a very deep thing indeed. > i know with plain old 'satori' there is no one present to see or feel > anything whatsoever...kind of one of the main indicators of a real > satori'. P: Very good Point, Bob. Glad you brought it up. True, as you said, the sense of " I " as a separate entity is absent. But this sense of separation is created by thoughts in the cortex, if thoughts are absent, and consciousness is free to attend to the inputs of the parietal lobe, those inputs are recorded in memory. Memory doesn't need thinking or the cortex to record sensations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > When somewhat says my memory > > > > is very good, they mean they seldom > > > > forget. They are not talking about the > > > > the aliveness of the memory. I can > > > > remember a sharp pain very vividly, > > > > without feeling pain, I can remember > > > > the taste of chocolate without feeling > > > > that sensation on my tongue. Try as > > > > I made I can't again watch that sunset at > > > > Carmel which took by breath away. > > > > > > > > In the same way, I can remember my > > > > first satory, what I saw, what I felt, and > > > > yet, it's like seeing a photo of myself > > > > on vacation. The freedom and wonder > > > > of being there are gone. > > > > > > > > Is the memory of sadness a thought, or > > > > sadness? Is the memory of love, or > > > > love itself? Memories of moods are > > > > more vivid, than memories of happenings. > > > > Can I remember being not? I think I could. > > > > After all, If I don't remember a thing, that > > > > would be remembering well. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > B: by the way, what is a 'satory'? it must be a very deep thing indeed. > > i know with plain old 'satori' there is no one present to see or feel > > anything whatsoever...kind of one of the main indicators of a real > > satori'. > > P: Very good Point, Bob. Glad you brought it up. True, as you said, > the sense of " I " as a separate entity is absent. But this sense of > separation is created by thoughts in the cortex, if thoughts are > absent, and consciousness is free to attend to the inputs of > the parietal lobe, those inputs are recorded in memory. Memory > doesn't need thinking or the cortex to record sensations. sure thing. i believe you.....ahem. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > When somewhat says my memory > > > > is very good, they mean they seldom > > > > forget. They are not talking about the > > > > the aliveness of the memory. I can > > > > remember a sharp pain very vividly, > > > > without feeling pain, I can remember > > > > the taste of chocolate without feeling > > > > that sensation on my tongue. Try as > > > > I made I can't again watch that sunset at > > > > Carmel which took by breath away. > > > > > > > > In the same way, I can remember my > > > > first satory, what I saw, what I felt, and > > > > yet, it's like seeing a photo of myself > > > > on vacation. The freedom and wonder > > > > of being there are gone. > > > > > > > > Is the memory of sadness a thought, or > > > > sadness? Is the memory of love, or > > > > love itself? Memories of moods are > > > > more vivid, than memories of happenings. > > > > Can I remember being not? I think I could. > > > > After all, If I don't remember a thing, that > > > > would be remembering well. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > this is wonderful stuff. my goodness! you sure know your stuff, i > > > certainly hope you post a lot more of this good material. you are > > > marvelous. i think you should be nominated for an award. let's see if > > > we can get a vote on it. you teach so well, and i sure do learn a lot > > > from your words of wisdom here. golly i'd like to meet you in person > > > some fine and lucky day. do you give out autographs? pictures? can we > > > send you are snail male addresses to have same sent to us? can we > > > start a fan club? have you been studying for lots and lots of years to > > > arrive at the ability to write all of this excellent stuff? can we pay > > > homage in any other ways? can you suggest some lists for us to > > > to? maybe some that you participate in and dole out this > > > wonderful witdom wisdom? i hope you belong to one or two others so > > > that we can expand our 'pete libraries " . i sure want to thank you for > > > the chance to read your enlightened passages. you are our kind of guy. > > > please don't mock our humble attempts at adoration of you. but i know > > > you wouldn't do that. i hope i'm not d for too much > admiration. > > > > > > love, > > > > > > .b bobji b. > > > > > > Hi Bob, > > > > You know the difference between you, and me? > > > > I'm not moved by words. No insult, mockery, > > or praise seems real to me, addresses me, or > > touches me. It's a nice position to be, Bob. And > > not hard to get to, once you see that when others > > talk about you, they're talking only about their > > opinions about an imaginary you they have > > fashioned to represent your actions and words. > > > > > > > > there is not one iota of difference between you and anybody. ................... " > .b bobji baba LOL yes, bobji baba & Pete Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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