Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > When somewhat says my memory > > > > > is very good, they mean they seldom > > > > > forget. They are not talking about the > > > > > the aliveness of the memory. I can > > > > > remember a sharp pain very vividly, > > > > > without feeling pain, I can remember > > > > > the taste of chocolate without feeling > > > > > that sensation on my tongue. Try as > > > > > I made I can't again watch that sunset at > > > > > Carmel which took by breath away. > > > > > > > > > > In the same way, I can remember my > > > > > first satory, what I saw, what I felt, and > > > > > yet, it's like seeing a photo of myself > > > > > on vacation. The freedom and wonder > > > > > of being there are gone. > > > > > > > > > > Is the memory of sadness a thought, or > > > > > sadness? Is the memory of love, or > > > > > love itself? Memories of moods are > > > > > more vivid, than memories of happenings. > > > > > Can I remember being not? I think I could. > > > > > After all, If I don't remember a thing, that > > > > > would be remembering well. > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > this is wonderful stuff. my goodness! you sure know your stuff, > i > > > > certainly hope you post a lot more of this good material. you > are > > > > marvelous. i think you should be nominated for an award. let's > see if > > > > we can get a vote on it. you teach so well, and i sure do > learn a lot > > > > from your words of wisdom here. golly i'd like to meet you in > person > > > > some fine and lucky day. do you give out autographs? pictures? > can we > > > > send you are snail male addresses to have same sent to us? can > we > > > > start a fan club? have you been studying for lots and lots of > years to > > > > arrive at the ability to write all of this excellent stuff? can > we pay > > > > homage in any other ways? can you suggest some lists for us to > > > > to? maybe some that you participate in and dole out > this > > > > wonderful witdom wisdom? i hope you belong to one or two others > so > > > > that we can expand our 'pete libraries " . i sure want to thank > you for > > > > the chance to read your enlightened passages. you are our kind > of guy. > > > > please don't mock our humble attempts at adoration of you. but > i know > > > > you wouldn't do that. i hope i'm not d for too much > > admiration. > > > > > > > > love, > > > > > > > > .b bobji b. > > > > > > > > > Hi Bob, > > > > > > You know the difference between you, and me? > > > > > > I'm not moved by words. No insult, mockery, > > > or praise seems real to me, addresses me, or > > > touches me. It's a nice position to be, Bob. And > > > not hard to get to, once you see that when others > > > talk about you, they're talking only about their > > > opinions about an imaginary you they have > > > fashioned to represent your actions and words. > > > > > > > > > > > > there is not one iota of difference between you and > anybody. ................... " > > > .b bobji baba > > > LOL > > yes, bobji baba & Pete > > > Marc :-) i'm certainly amused as well Marc. me and petie, petie and me. i always have gotten a kick out of his kicking about. well perhaps we should rest from our laughter. methinks peter pan doth protest too much! do you think he might always be missing the joke? i mean he seems to miss most thoughts and ideas, so mayhap he is not enjoying his tippy tappy tap dancing trying to say something even half intelligent. well he has made it to half-wit anyway, so some small bit of hope remains as far as the intelligence thing goes for him as well. we can though, rest assured that what we say here is of no consequence for him, and has no effect on him at all. for as he has said: " I'm not moved by words. No insult, mockery, or praise seems real to me, addresses me, or touches me. " now i also think peter is a bit paranoid. where was there mockery? there was certainly no real praise presented either. oh our poor lost pete! he does not yet see that it's not 'all about pete'. well wherever he finds himself at, i can see how it was 'not hard to get to'...but who but a loser would want to go there? and there reall seems to be no way of helping him out of that sordid spot: " I'm not moved by words " . perhaps a swift kick in the ass might help. but he wont even send an autographed snapshot of himself to me let alone his physical address. maybe we could make this last suggestion to his keepers. i'm sure they would enjoy seeing him leave that crazy place as much as we would like to not see him at all. ..b bobji baba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <tuvalu66@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > When somewhat says my memory > > > > > > is very good, they mean they seldom > > > > > > forget. They are not talking about the > > > > > > the aliveness of the memory. I can > > > > > > remember a sharp pain very vividly, > > > > > > without feeling pain, I can remember > > > > > > the taste of chocolate without feeling > > > > > > that sensation on my tongue. Try as > > > > > > I made I can't again watch that sunset at > > > > > > Carmel which took by breath away. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the same way, I can remember my > > > > > > first satory, what I saw, what I felt, and > > > > > > yet, it's like seeing a photo of myself > > > > > > on vacation. The freedom and wonder > > > > > > of being there are gone. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is the memory of sadness a thought, or > > > > > > sadness? Is the memory of love, or > > > > > > love itself? Memories of moods are > > > > > > more vivid, than memories of happenings. > > > > > > Can I remember being not? I think I could. > > > > > > After all, If I don't remember a thing, that > > > > > > would be remembering well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > this is wonderful stuff. my goodness! you sure know your stuff, > > i > > > > > certainly hope you post a lot more of this good material. you > > are > > > > > marvelous. i think you should be nominated for an award. let's > > see if > > > > > we can get a vote on it. you teach so well, and i sure do > > learn a lot > > > > > from your words of wisdom here. golly i'd like to meet you in > > person > > > > > some fine and lucky day. do you give out autographs? pictures? > > can we > > > > > send you are snail male addresses to have same sent to us? can > > we > > > > > start a fan club? have you been studying for lots and lots of > > years to > > > > > arrive at the ability to write all of this excellent stuff? can > > we pay > > > > > homage in any other ways? can you suggest some lists for us to > > > > > to? maybe some that you participate in and dole out > > this > > > > > wonderful witdom wisdom? i hope you belong to one or two others > > so > > > > > that we can expand our 'pete libraries " . i sure want to thank > > you for > > > > > the chance to read your enlightened passages. you are our kind > > of guy. > > > > > please don't mock our humble attempts at adoration of you. but > > i know > > > > > you wouldn't do that. i hope i'm not d for too much > > > admiration. > > > > > > > > > > love, > > > > > > > > > > .b bobji b. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Bob, > > > > > > > > You know the difference between you, and me? > > > > > > > > I'm not moved by words. No insult, mockery, > > > > or praise seems real to me, addresses me, or > > > > touches me. It's a nice position to be, Bob. And > > > > not hard to get to, once you see that when others > > > > talk about you, they're talking only about their > > > > opinions about an imaginary you they have > > > > fashioned to represent your actions and words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is not one iota of difference between you and > > anybody. ................... " > > > > > .b bobji baba > > > > > > LOL > > > > yes, bobji baba & Pete > > > > > > Marc > > > > > :-) > > > i'm certainly amused as well Marc. me and petie, petie and me. i > > always have gotten a kick out of his kicking about. well perhaps we > > should rest from our laughter. methinks peter pan doth protest too > > much! do you think he might always be missing the joke? i mean he > > seems to miss most thoughts and ideas, so mayhap he is not enjoying > > his tippy tappy tap dancing trying to say something even half > > intelligent. well he has made it to half-wit anyway, so some small bit > > of hope remains as far as the intelligence thing goes for him as well. > > we can though, rest assured that what we say here is of no consequence > > for him, and has no effect on him at all. for as he has said: " I'm > > not moved by words. No insult, mockery, or praise seems real to me, > > addresses me, or touches me. " now i also think peter is a bit > > paranoid. where was there mockery? there was certainly no real praise > > presented either. oh our poor lost pete! he does not yet see that it's > > not 'all about pete'. well wherever he finds himself at, i can see how > > it was 'not hard to get to'...but who but a loser would want to go > > there? and there reall seems to be no way of helping him out of that > > sordid spot: " I'm not moved by words " . perhaps a swift kick in the ass > > might help. but he wont even send an autographed snapshot of himself > > to me let alone his physical address. maybe we could make this last > > suggestion to his keepers. i'm sure they would enjoy seeing him leave > > that crazy place as much as we would like to not see him at all. > > .b bobji baba yes...Pete isn't moved by anything....nothing seem to touch him.... some reach oneness with Nothing....realy Nothing.... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 > > > > yes...Pete isn't moved by anything....nothing seem to touch him.... > > some reach oneness with Nothing....realy Nothing.... > > Marc > > Most normal people when they > > fail at something, change tactics, > > and try a new technique. They know > > that doing the same thing in the > > face of failure is stupid. Only > > flies keep hitting their heads > > against a window pane. People, > > of course, are not that dumb, > > except when it comes to human > > relations. Some people (very > > smart otherwise) keep repeating > > the same pattern of behavior which > > makes them unpopular. The hurt of > > rejection, and pride makes them > > stubborn. They demand acceptance > > on their own terms as if this was their > > right. > > > M: Well stated. > > I remember well feeling that way. > > And the more people resisted, the > more I was 'dig in' and demand > the 'hear me' and damn well like it!!! > > Of course when they refused, it > was only due to one of their failings. > > Those were very lonely days. > > Melody P: Thanks Melody. If you, Cloud, and others interested in this subject feel like digging here, maybe together we could find something useful. Why, when encountering rejection, or criticism, or failure we feel our whole self has been rejected, rather than just the action, habit, or words which brought on the revoke? Why do we feel we are like a quilt made of all past experiences, actions, thoughts and emotions we ever had, and that this quilt must be accepted whole, and that rejecting one is rejecting all? Maybe, if we can pinpoint the stitches, we can undo the quilt, and, in that way, relieve us of the burden of dragging all those memories around as a self. I think there are three illusory threads which bind together memories into a self: a) blank filling. b) editing c) story making and rationalization. d) refusal to see discontinuity Our life is full of gaps, and blanks we overlook by editing. We stitch our memories into a life, and a self by story making and rationalizing our actions. It's the need for our actions to be coherent and consistent that tricks us to project a doer, and a self. It's our need for a past, and for continuity that makes us vulnerable to hurt. If you, answer back: " Pete this is the dumbest thing I ever read, I wouldn't feel hurt, unless I have stitched this particular post into my quilt of memories and imagine myself as its sole creator. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > yes...Pete isn't moved by anything....nothing seem to touch him.... > > > > some reach oneness with Nothing....realy Nothing.... > > > > Marc > > > > > > Most normal people when they > > > fail at something, change tactics, > > > and try a new technique. They know > > > that doing the same thing in the > > > face of failure is stupid. Only > > > flies keep hitting their heads > > > against a window pane. People, > > > of course, are not that dumb, > > > except when it comes to human > > > relations. Some people (very > > > smart otherwise) keep repeating > > > the same pattern of behavior which > > > makes them unpopular. The hurt of > > > rejection, and pride makes them > > > stubborn. They demand acceptance > > > on their own terms as if this was their > > > right. > > > > > > M: Well stated. > > > > I remember well feeling that way. > > > > And the more people resisted, the > > more I was 'dig in' and demand > > the 'hear me' and damn well like it!!! > > > > Of course when they refused, it > > was only due to one of their failings. > > > > Those were very lonely days. > > > > Melody > > P: Thanks Melody. If you, Cloud, and others > interested in this subject feel like digging here, > maybe together we could find something useful. > > Why, when encountering rejection, or criticism, > or failure we feel our whole self has been rejected, > rather than just the action, habit, or words which > brought on the revoke? Why do we feel we are > like a quilt made of all past experiences, actions, > thoughts and emotions we ever had, and that > this quilt must be accepted whole, and that rejecting > one is rejecting all? > > Maybe, if we can pinpoint the stitches, we can undo > the quilt, and, in that way, relieve us of the burden of > dragging all those memories around as a self. > I think there are three illusory threads which bind > together memories into a self: > > a) blank filling. > b) editing > c) story making and rationalization. > d) refusal to see discontinuity > > > Our life is full of gaps, and blanks we overlook by > editing. We stitch our memories into a life, and > a self by story making and rationalizing our actions. > It's the need for our actions to be coherent and > consistent that tricks us to project a doer, and a > self. It's our need for a past, and for continuity that > makes us vulnerable to hurt. > > If you, answer back: " Pete this is the dumbest thing > I ever read, I wouldn't feel hurt, unless I have stitched > this particular post into my quilt of memories and > imagine myself as its sole creator. > > Pete ....nice stories... hope you are fine best wishes Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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