Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 Re: Pope: Hell Really Exists GuruRatings , v <opalstar wrote: > > *Pope Benedict XVI says Hell -- despite being typically overlooked in > today's society -- " really exists and is eternal. " * > > *The Catholic leader told an audience in Rome that while most people -- > including some believers -- have forgotten about the penalties for their > sins, they still risk eternal damnation in the fires of Hell, the Times > of London reported.* > > *Hell " really exists and is eternal, even if nobody talks about it much > any more, " the pope said.* > > *Vatican officials said the pope intended to reinforce the new Catholic > catechism teaching that that Hell is a " state of eternal separation from > God, " to be understood " symbolically rather than physically. " * > > *Church historian Agostino Paravicini Bagliani said the warning comes at > a time when the world's concept of Hell has changed dramatically.* > > * " The problem is not only that our sense of sin has declined, but also > that the world wars and totalitarianisms of the 20th century created a > Hell on Earth as bad as anything we can imagine in the afterlife, " he > told the paper.* > http://pub50.bravenet.com/news/4289455392/122233/1 > > so you see we don't really have it so bad - (yet). A Hellish Creation The Bible tells us that in the beginning God created heaven and earth, but doesn't say if he created hell. This omission looks suspicious. It requires an expose. We need an insider, to blow the whistle, and spill the beans. Since God declined my request for an interview (He has become sort of a recluse, a la Howard Hughes) I had to contact the devil ( who loves to talk, and tell tall tales) and he consented to a 15 minutes interview. So here it is, an exclusive interview, just for nondual groups: Reporter: Your Highness, what can you tell us about the creation of hell? Satan: God created it, of course. He created everything. R: Didn't you have a part in that creation? S: Sure, I was consulted. We discussed the plan in detail. He said: Luci, what do you think if we create a place of eternal punishment? S: Cool! But why eternal? Wouldn't that be boring? We would get used to it. Anything constant and eternal gets eternally boring. Look at Heaven, isn't it sort of boring? G: Yes, being eternal really sucks! Don't you think? S: Amen to that! G: So here is an idea: Hell will have both random pleasure and torment, and in that way it will never be boring. S: You're a genius! So who are we going to torment? G: Ourselves, of course, who else is there? S: Are you nuts? G: Obviously, why would I be talking to myself otherwise? S: You are not talking to yourself, you're talking to me! G: Wanna bet? Anyway, I could split into billions of souls who wouldn't know they are me, and we could torment those. Doesn't that sounds like fun? S: I guess... but if you give these souls perfect memory, they will eventually get bore with hell too. G: You are right! I'll make them forgetful, I'll make them mortal and in fear of death, I'll give them pleasure, joy, suffering and pain. That way the torment will always feel fresh. S: Devilish! Hey! don't even call it hell, call it, Earth. G: And so it shall be done! Reporter: Thank you, Your Highness, that was most illuminating! S: Not really! No one will believe a word I said. Pete unny thing on the way from one day to the next. The vatican/Papal reaffirmation of " Hell " was posted on an atheist group of which I participate. I answered, paraphrased: to me hell would be the endless dialogue and argument of hard-core atheists with the hard-core religious, with or without fire and brimstone. ...and yet on another list (such as this one;-) hell for Anna would be the constant flack about snipping (and what about the horizontal posts that go on forever????;-) and the number of postings. ...and of course for some others here, Anna's poems and rantings and ravings over-the-count either allowed or disallowed would be the epitome <<<of hell>>>. So there ya have it, different strokes for different folks in heaven or hell depending on what does or does not float one's boat, or knocks ones socks off. (Or burns one up, over any edge of one's own perceived 'reality.) LOL. Silly kids. And so it is...until it isn't. Metta, Anna > P: Once there was a French guru who chain smoked and died of cancer. On sangsad day, his intelligencia devotees climbed the narrow stair to his small 2nd fl. apt. (not too far from a brothel) to receive his left hand wisdom. To them, one day, he said, " Hell, is the other. " Of course, he neglected to add: but, then, the other is Heaven too. It's our attitude to the other (to what we consider not us) which cast us in Hell, or Heaven. Accept the other, and you're in Heaven, rejected, fight it, view it as an object to be used for your own gain, and you're in Hell. It's mostly the pretense of love, while using others for our aims, which make us see them as tormenting devils, if they refuse to cooperate. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 >snipped nonsense< > > It's mostly the pretense of love, while using others for > our aims, i love you p.p. which make us see them as tormenting > devils, if they refuse to cooperate. > > Pete and you love me! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Re: Pope: Hell Really Exists > > GuruRatings , v <opalstar@> wrote: > > > > *Pope Benedict XVI says Hell -- despite being typically overlooked in > > today's society -- " really exists and is eternal. " * > > > > *The Catholic leader told an audience in Rome that while most people -- > > including some believers -- have forgotten about the penalties for their > > sins, they still risk eternal damnation in the fires of Hell, the Times > > of London reported.* > > > > *Hell " really exists and is eternal, even if nobody talks about it much > > any more, " the pope said.* > > > > *Vatican officials said the pope intended to reinforce the new Catholic > > catechism teaching that that Hell is a " state of eternal separation from > > God, " to be understood " symbolically rather than physically. " * > > > > *Church historian Agostino Paravicini Bagliani said the warning comes at > > a time when the world's concept of Hell has changed dramatically.* > > > > * " The problem is not only that our sense of sin has declined, but also > > that the world wars and totalitarianisms of the 20th century created a > > Hell on Earth as bad as anything we can imagine in the afterlife, " he > > told the paper.* > > http://pub50.bravenet.com/news/4289455392/122233/1 > > > > so you see we don't really have it so bad - (yet). > > A Hellish Creation > > The Bible tells us that in the beginning God created > heaven and earth, but doesn't say if he created > hell. This omission looks suspicious. It requires an > expose. We need an insider, to blow the whistle, and > spill the beans. Since God declined my request for > an interview (He has become sort of a recluse, a la > Howard Hughes) I had to contact the devil ( who loves > to talk, and tell tall tales) and he consented to a 15 > minutes interview. > > So here it is, an exclusive interview, just for nondual > groups: > > Reporter: Your Highness, what can you tell us about > the creation of hell? > > Satan: God created it, of course. He created > everything. > > R: Didn't you have a part in that creation? > > S: Sure, I was consulted. We discussed the plan in > detail. He said: > Luci, what do you think if we create a place of > eternal punishment? > > S: Cool! But why eternal? Wouldn't that be boring? > We would get used to it. Anything constant and > eternal gets eternally boring. Look at Heaven, isn't > it sort of boring? > > G: Yes, being eternal really sucks! Don't you think? > > S: Amen to that! > > G: So here is an idea: Hell will have both random > pleasure and torment, and in that way it will never be > boring. > > S: You're a genius! So who are we going to torment? > > G: Ourselves, of course, who else is there? > > S: Are you nuts? > > G: Obviously, why would I be talking to myself > otherwise? > > S: You are not talking to yourself, you're talking > to me! > > G: Wanna bet? Anyway, I could split into billions of > souls who wouldn't know they are me, and we could > torment those. Doesn't that sounds like fun? > > S: I guess... but if you give these souls perfect > memory, they will eventually get bore with hell too. > > G: You are right! I'll make them forgetful, I'll make > them mortal and in fear of death, I'll give them > pleasure, joy, suffering and pain. That way the > torment will always feel fresh. > > S: Devilish! Hey! don't even call it hell, call it, Earth. > > G: And so it shall be done! > > Reporter: Thank you, Your Highness, that was most > illuminating! > > S: Not really! No one will believe a word I said. > > Pete > > unny thing on the way from one day to the next. The vatican/Papal > reaffirmation of " Hell " was posted on an atheist group of which I > participate. > > I answered, paraphrased: to me hell would be the endless dialogue > and argument of hard-core atheists with the hard-core religious, with > or without fire and brimstone. > > ...and yet on another list (such as this one;-) hell for Anna would > be the constant flack about snipping (and what about the horizontal > posts that go on forever????;-) and the number of postings. > > ...and of course for some others here, Anna's poems and rantings and > ravings over-the-count either allowed or disallowed would be the > epitome <<<of hell>>>. > > So there ya have it, different strokes for different folks in heaven > or hell depending on what does or does not float one's boat, or > knocks ones socks off. (Or burns one up, over any edge of one's own > perceived 'reality.) > > LOL. > > Silly kids. And so it is...until it isn't. > > Metta, > Anna > > > > P: Once there was a French guru who chain smoked > and died of cancer. On sangsad day, his intelligencia > devotees climbed the narrow stair to his small 2nd fl. > apt. (not too far from a brothel) to receive his left hand > wisdom. To them, one day, he said, " Hell, is the other. " > > Of course, he neglected to add: but, then, the other is > Heaven too. It's our attitude to the other (to what we > consider not us) which cast us in Hell, or Heaven. > > Accept the other, and you're in Heaven, rejected, > fight it, view it as an object to be used for your own > gain, and you're in Hell. > > It's mostly the pretense of love, while using others for > our aims, which make us see them as tormenting > devils, if they refuse to cooperate. > You nail it right there Pete. > Pete Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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