Guest guest Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 I read all is contained in consciousness. But is there reality outside consciousness? I think there is reality outside consciousness, and even Nis say that it is so. He say it inferred and not known directly. I see it like magic universe all one soup, from this mind take abstract and put it into consciousness to make thing. But from universe soup, thing happen that no one know because outside limited consciousness? Is this correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 you didn't read anything about it! consciousness read all is contained in consciousness. truly, there is only consciousness. Nisargadatta , " tigerlily_du_lac " <tigerlily_du_lac wrote: > > I read all is contained in consciousness. But is there reality outside > consciousness? I think there is reality outside consciousness, and > even Nis say that it is so. He say it inferred and not known directly. > I see it like magic universe all one soup, from this mind take > abstract and put it into consciousness to make thing. > > But from universe soup, thing happen that no one know because outside > limited consciousness? > > Is this correct? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote: > > > > > you didn't read anything about it! > > consciousness read all is contained in consciousness. > truly, there is only consciousness. for consciousness this is true. both ''truth and 'consciousness' are neat ideas. that's all they are. neither one is a god. there are no gods. anything 'thought' is same. no truth in truth no god of gods no consciousness of consciousness. nothing IS all. all is nothing at all. 'you' are just not conscious of this. 'you' never can be. 'it's' somewhere else right here. 'it's' right now in the future-past. 'it's' not anything but what 'it' 'is'. there exists no word for 'it'. not even 'it'. 'it' and 'is' are only thought. thought is in consciousness. consciousness is in unconsciousness. unconsciousness is in mind. mind is in thought. thought is in 'you' you are not. nothing is. simple really. once you are 'that'. that's that. there is no such thing as 'that'. that's all.. which is nothing at all....... End of Story. .....and the beginning! you wouldn't believe how great thou art. you have no idea. that's the stuff! ..b b.b. >NNB< > Nisargadatta , " tigerlily_du_lac " > <tigerlily_du_lac@> wrote: > > > > I read all is contained in consciousness. But is there reality > outside > > consciousness? I think there is reality outside consciousness, and > > even Nis say that it is so. He say it inferred and not known > directly. > > I see it like magic universe all one soup, from this mind take > > abstract and put it into consciousness to make thing. > > > > But from universe soup, thing happen that no one know because > outside > > limited consciousness? > > > > Is this correct? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 The irony and beauty is no matter how many times I may realize I am nothing*, once again, I still Am. How absolutely extraordinary that I am at all, even though I may never get to the bottom of who I am, all points, never-the-less, converse in the experience calling itself I Am....Anna. * nothing is a concept, as is " I Am " . So I am nothing is a concept of a concept. ;-) Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > you didn't read anything about it! > > > > consciousness read all is contained in consciousness. > > truly, there is only consciousness. > > > > > > for consciousness this is true. > > both ''truth and 'consciousness' are neat ideas. > > that's all they are. > > neither one is a god. > > there are no gods. > > anything 'thought' is same. > > no truth in truth > > no god of gods > > no consciousness of consciousness. > > nothing IS all. > > all is nothing at all. > > 'you' are just not conscious of this. > > 'you' never can be. > > 'it's' somewhere else right here. > > 'it's' right now in the future-past. > > 'it's' not anything but what 'it' 'is'. > > there exists no word for 'it'. > > not even 'it'. > > 'it' and 'is' are only thought. > > thought is in consciousness. > > consciousness is in unconsciousness. > > unconsciousness is in mind. > > mind is in thought. > > thought is in 'you' > > you are not. > > nothing is. > > simple really. > > once you are 'that'. > > that's that. > > there is no such thing as 'that'. > > that's all.. > > which is nothing at all....... > > > > End of Story. > > > > > ....and the beginning! > > > > > you wouldn't believe how great thou art. > > you have > > no idea. > > that's the stuff! > > .b b.b. > > > > > >NNB< > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tigerlily_du_lac " > > <tigerlily_du_lac@> wrote: > > > > > > I read all is contained in consciousness. But is there reality > > outside > > > consciousness? I think there is reality outside consciousness, and > > > even Nis say that it is so. He say it inferred and not known > > directly. > > > I see it like magic universe all one soup, from this mind take > > > abstract and put it into consciousness to make thing. > > > > > > But from universe soup, thing happen that no one know because > > outside > > > limited consciousness? > > > > > > Is this correct? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Bob baba say: >thought is in consciousness. >consciousness is in unconsciousness. >unconsciousness is in mind. >mind is in thought. Surely mind is more than thought, mind is that which make thought happen? I think there is mind, and there is idea of mind. Two are not same. ---- I think mind is just special form of consciousness. Oh? And then there is unknown awareness light shining on this, and so seen? Is this correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > The irony and beauty is no matter > how many times I may realize I am > nothing*, once again, I still Am. > > How absolutely extraordinary that I am > at all, even though I may never get to > the bottom of who I am, > all points, never-the-less, converse in the > experience calling itself I Am....Anna. > > > * nothing is a concept, > as is " I Am " . > > So I am nothing is a concept of a concept. ;-) funny.. 'i' was 'thinking' the same 'thing'... just 'now'. :-) ..b bobji baba p.s. how's my pal larry doing? it's all between the lines....of thought. >Nothing..New or Old Below or Above< > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you didn't read anything about it! > > > > > > consciousness read all is contained in consciousness. > > > truly, there is only consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > > > for consciousness this is true. > > > > both ''truth and 'consciousness' are neat ideas. > > > > that's all they are. > > > > neither one is a god. > > > > there are no gods. > > > > anything 'thought' is same. > > > > no truth in truth > > > > no god of gods > > > > no consciousness of consciousness. > > > > nothing IS all. > > > > all is nothing at all. > > > > 'you' are just not conscious of this. > > > > 'you' never can be. > > > > 'it's' somewhere else right here. > > > > 'it's' right now in the future-past. > > > > 'it's' not anything but what 'it' 'is'. > > > > there exists no word for 'it'. > > > > not even 'it'. > > > > 'it' and 'is' are only thought. > > > > thought is in consciousness. > > > > consciousness is in unconsciousness. > > > > unconsciousness is in mind. > > > > mind is in thought. > > > > thought is in 'you' > > > > you are not. > > > > nothing is. > > > > simple really. > > > > once you are 'that'. > > > > that's that. > > > > there is no such thing as 'that'. > > > > that's all.. > > > > which is nothing at all....... > > > > > > > > End of Story. > > > > > > > > > > ....and the beginning! > > > > > > > > > > you wouldn't believe how great thou art. > > > > you have > > > > no idea. > > > > that's the stuff! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > >NNB< > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tigerlily_du_lac " > > > <tigerlily_du_lac@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I read all is contained in consciousness. But is there reality > > > outside > > > > consciousness? I think there is reality outside consciousness, > and > > > > even Nis say that it is so. He say it inferred and not known > > > directly. > > > > I see it like magic universe all one soup, from this mind take > > > > abstract and put it into consciousness to make thing. > > > > > > > > But from universe soup, thing happen that no one know because > > > outside > > > > limited consciousness? > > > > > > > > Is this correct? > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tigerlily_du_lac " <tigerlily_du_lac wrote: > > Bob baba say: > > >thought is in consciousness. > >consciousness is in unconsciousness. > >unconsciousness is in mind. > >mind is in thought. > > Surely mind is more than thought, mind is that which make thought > happen? I think there is mind, and there is idea of mind. Two are not > same. > > ---- > I think mind is just special form of consciousness. Oh? And then there > is unknown awareness light shining on this, and so seen? > > Is this correct? beats me! baba bobji doesn't know anything. but he's got a firm handle on nothing. if you would care to discuss THAT... 'we' can't. sailing along on his magic carpet, ..b b.b. Great American/Canadian Baba " Rivers, ponds, lakes and streams - they all have different names, but they all contain water. Just as religions do - they all contain truths. " Muhammad Ali Great American Boxer well...sort of...but that's kind of like fighting 'as if' you were in somebody else's body.....maybe you are? bobji (not here) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 oh what acircus oh what a show,an adventure for all and one tigerlily_du_lac <tigerlily_du_lac wrote: Bob baba say: >thought is in consciousness. >consciousness is in unconsciousness. >unconsciousness is in mind. >mind is in thought. Surely mind is more than thought, mind is that which make thought happen? I think there is mind, and there is idea of mind. Two are not same. ---- I think mind is just special form of consciousness. Oh? And then there is unknown awareness light shining on this, and so seen? Is this correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 if your very being is real,just be,be-in, or not. diana tigerlily_du_lac <tigerlily_du_lac wrote: Bob baba say: >thought is in consciousness. >consciousness is in unconsciousness. >unconsciousness is in mind. >mind is in thought. Surely mind is more than thought, mind is that which make thought happen? I think there is mind, and there is idea of mind. Two are not same. ---- I think mind is just special form of consciousness. Oh? And then there is unknown awareness light shining on this, and so seen? Is this correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam wrote: > > oh what acircus oh what a show,an adventure for all and one > > tigerlily_du_lac <tigerlily_du_lac wrote: Bob baba say: > > >thought is in consciousness. > >consciousness is in unconsciousness. > >unconsciousness is in mind. > >mind is in thought. > > Surely mind is more than thought, mind is that which make thought > happen? I think there is mind, and there is idea of mind. Two are not > same. > > ---- > I think mind is just special form of consciousness. Oh? And then there > is unknown awareness light shining on this, and so seen? > > Is this correct? if that's what 'you' think then for 'you' that is 'true''. what possible difference can it make if 'someone else' believes something else? 'you' only experience 'yourself'. all else is frankly unreal for 'you' or for 'me'. and quite actually both 'you' and 'i' are just as unreal. unreal huh? and even stranger is the fact that the unreal is unreal. ..b bobji b. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 strange to the mind yes, roberibus111 <Roberibus111 wrote: --- In Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam wrote: > > oh what acircus oh what a show,an adventure for all and one > > tigerlily_du_lac <tigerlily_du_lac wrote: Bob baba say: > > >thought is in consciousness. > >consciousness is in unconsciousness. > >unconsciousness is in mind. > >mind is in thought. > > Surely mind is more than thought, mind is that which make thought > happen? I think there is mind, and there is idea of mind. Two are not > same. > > ---- > I think mind is just special form of consciousness. Oh? And then there > is unknown awareness light shining on this, and so seen? > > Is this correct? if that's what 'you' think then for 'you' that is 'true''. what possible difference can it make if 'someone else' believes something else? 'you' only experience 'yourself'. all else is frankly unreal for 'you' or for 'me'. and quite actually both 'you' and 'i' are just as unreal. unreal huh? and even stranger is the fact that the unreal is unreal. ..b bobji b. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 @bobji > if that's what 'you' think then for 'you' that is 'true''. what > possible difference can it make if 'someone else' believes something > else? 'you' only experience 'yourself'. all else is frankly unreal for > 'you' or for 'me'. and quite actually both 'you' and 'i' are just as > unreal. unreal huh? and even stranger is the fact that the unreal is > unreal. I don't buy that this what is real for you is not real for me. What about objective? There is a tree in my garden. A friend is coming, and he is saying, look, there is a tree. I Say, I know. It's it a tree. So both agree on tree. It tree real for him, it real for me. Or nmow you tell me friend is also not real, just me?!? Oh. Now if man come and hit you very hard, you will fall over. You will hurt. So what is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam wrote: > > strange to the mind yes, yes. everywhere else it's perfectly normal. ???????????????????????????? ..b b.b. and where do you live? >nnb< > roberibus111 <Roberibus111 wrote: --- In Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam@> > wrote: > > > > oh what acircus oh what a show,an adventure for all and one > > > > tigerlily_du_lac <tigerlily_du_lac@> wrote: Bob baba say: > > > > >thought is in consciousness. > > >consciousness is in unconsciousness. > > >unconsciousness is in mind. > > >mind is in thought. > > > > Surely mind is more than thought, mind is that which make thought > > happen? I think there is mind, and there is idea of mind. Two are not > > same. > > > > ---- > > I think mind is just special form of consciousness. Oh? And then there > > is unknown awareness light shining on this, and so seen? > > > > Is this correct? > > if that's what 'you' think then for 'you' that is 'true''. what > possible difference can it make if 'someone else' believes something > else? 'you' only experience 'yourself'. all else is frankly unreal for > 'you' or for 'me'. and quite actually both 'you' and 'i' are just as > unreal. unreal huh? and even stranger is the fact that the unreal is > unreal. > > .b bobji b. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tigerlily_du_lac " <tigerlily_du_lac wrote: > > @bobji > > > if that's what 'you' think then for 'you' that is 'true''. what > > possible difference can it make if 'someone else' believes > something > > else? 'you' only experience 'yourself'. all else is frankly unreal > for > > 'you' or for 'me'. and quite actually both 'you' and 'i' are just > as > > unreal. unreal huh? and even stranger is the fact that the unreal > is > > unreal. > > I don't buy that this what is real for you is not real for me. What > about objective? i didn't say that. i said the only 'things' 'real' for 'you' are those 'things' that 'you' consider 'real'. same proposition holds for 'me'. how else can 'it' be? that doesn't mean that both 'you' and 'i' consider the same 'things' as 'real'. and that that makes no difference for either one of 'us' or anybody else. and not 'you', nor 'i', nor 'them', have any actual quality of reality in variance or accordance with anything that is Substance. objective? what's that? 'you' hold the belief that something or other is objective OR subjective. but that's just 'your' belief that 'you' believe something. holding a belief in 'your' mind is no different than holding an apple in your hand. you label one objective and the other subjective and state that that is your belief. nice thoughts but they are all bullshit. nothing is either subjective or objective but that thinking makes it so. and thinking is of the mind that is of thought that is of....you get the picture. it's all nonsense but it's fun like riding a perpetual motion carousel....tell you what...you ride the pony and i'll ride the big swan. and as we go round and round we can discuss the reality of our relative motion in relationship to the motion of the earth to the motion of the sun to the motion of the galaxy to the motion of the space quadrant to the motion of the universe's expansion to the motion of our thinking about all that. and we will get about as far as the pony and the swan go on there trip to neverland. > There is a tree in my garden. A friend is coming, and he is saying, > look, there is a tree. I Say, I know. It's it a tree. > > So both agree on tree. It tree real for him, it real for me. Or nmow > you tell me friend is also not real, just me?!? Oh. > > Now if man come and hit you very hard, you will fall over. You will > hurt. So what is that? that's what the one hurt believes that he feels in relation to another 'state' of 'feeling well', that that same one believes is different from this state of 'pain'. if the pain was not believed in it would not be 'real'. what IS a state of health or feeling well (good). it is a condition that is a consideration in relation to another condition that is believed to exist for the body beautiful. period. if you believe all that you see is 'real' simply by agreement with another...do you believe that: jesus died for your sins? the prophet wants you to convert the world? the jews are the 'chosen race'? the hoochie coochie at a hukilau will alert the big kahuna? if so...with any or all of the above...you have LOTS of company. and they all agree with the objective truth of the belief that you all hold in common and in mind. are you then being objective and in tune with truth? c'mon with you! i KNOW you know better. but you want to believe that the things that you do believe in are objective and true. and for you they are. just as all that stuff above is real and objective truth for all those souls that want to believe that they are right and their beliefs are too. this stuff is not hard. it may be hard to believe. thats the sum total of reasons that you do so believe. but that's just more belief...being held...by a specter...that calls itself 'me'... the baba holds no such beliefs in the specter, nor the specter's belief systems, or the objects 'found' therein. it's all really nothing at all... even bobji. trust me, i know. ..b bobji baba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 this bodymind lives in the uk, roberibus111 <Roberibus111 wrote: --- In Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam wrote: > > strange to the mind yes, yes. everywhere else it's perfectly normal. ???????????????????????????? ..b b.b. and where do you live? >nnb< > roberibus111 <Roberibus111 wrote: --- In Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam@> > wrote: > > > > oh what acircus oh what a show,an adventure for all and one > > > > tigerlily_du_lac <tigerlily_du_lac@> wrote: Bob baba say: > > > > >thought is in consciousness. > > >consciousness is in unconsciousness. > > >unconsciousness is in mind. > > >mind is in thought. > > > > Surely mind is more than thought, mind is that which make thought > > happen? I think there is mind, and there is idea of mind. Two are not > > same. > > > > ---- > > I think mind is just special form of consciousness. Oh? And then there > > is unknown awareness light shining on this, and so seen? > > > > Is this correct? > > if that's what 'you' think then for 'you' that is 'true''. what > possible difference can it make if 'someone else' believes something > else? 'you' only experience 'yourself'. all else is frankly unreal for > 'you' or for 'me'. and quite actually both 'you' and 'i' are just as > unreal. unreal huh? and even stranger is the fact that the unreal is > unreal. > > .b bobji b. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam wrote: > > this bodymind lives in the uk, what is normal or strange for a bodymind? i don't own one. i don't live in one either. actually i can't find myself anywhere in anything. now to 'me' this is strange. i think the mind picked up that signal too. that's another thing that's hard to find. both the thoughts & the mind believing that those thoughts are 'it's own'. funny that. or this. i'm not sure which. is the uk more buttery in the springtime? another thought brought to me by passing victuals. now to be fair..i'm only joking here.. england swing like a pendulum do. spent some time there in the early '70s rockin' and rolin' and singing that song. got to my blood stuff in old Eire too. now i live on the banks of a lake by the same name. only different...Erie not Eire. in canada things can be strange too. now if i can only find myself again.. i lost 'me' some 'time' ago. ..b b.b. >nnb< > roberibus111 <Roberibus111 wrote: --- In Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam@> > wrote: > > > > strange to the mind yes, > > yes. everywhere else it's perfectly normal. > > ???????????????????????????? > > .b b.b. > > and where do you live? > > >nnb< > > > roberibus111 <Roberibus111@> wrote: --- In > Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam@> > > wrote: > > > > > > oh what acircus oh what a show,an adventure for all and one > > > > > > tigerlily_du_lac <tigerlily_du_lac@> wrote: Bob baba say: > > > > > > >thought is in consciousness. > > > >consciousness is in unconsciousness. > > > >unconsciousness is in mind. > > > >mind is in thought. > > > > > > Surely mind is more than thought, mind is that which make thought > > > happen? I think there is mind, and there is idea of mind. Two are not > > > same. > > > > > > ---- > > > I think mind is just special form of consciousness. Oh? And then > there > > > is unknown awareness light shining on this, and so seen? > > > > > > Is this correct? > > > > if that's what 'you' think then for 'you' that is 'true''. what > > possible difference can it make if 'someone else' believes something > > else? 'you' only experience 'yourself'. all else is frankly unreal for > > 'you' or for 'me'. and quite actually both 'you' and 'i' are just as > > unreal. unreal huh? and even stranger is the fact that the unreal is > > unreal. > > > > .b bobji b. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 what province is lake erie?i lived in ontario for just 3months in 86,cold winter.im from south wales. nice poetry by the way robert, diana roberibus111 <Roberibus111 wrote: --- In Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam wrote: > > this bodymind lives in the uk, what is normal or strange for a bodymind? i don't own one. i don't live in one either. actually i can't find myself anywhere in anything. now to 'me' this is strange. i think the mind picked up that signal too. that's another thing that's hard to find. both the thoughts & the mind believing that those thoughts are 'it's own'. funny that. or this. i'm not sure which. is the uk more buttery in the springtime? another thought brought to me by passing victuals. now to be fair..i'm only joking here.. england swing like a pendulum do. spent some time there in the early '70s rockin' and rolin' and singing that song. got to my blood stuff in old Eire too. now i live on the banks of a lake by the same name. only different...Erie not Eire. in canada things can be strange too. now if i can only find myself again.. i lost 'me' some 'time' ago. ..b b.b. >nnb< > roberibus111 <Roberibus111 wrote: --- In Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam@> > wrote: > > > > strange to the mind yes, > > yes. everywhere else it's perfectly normal. > > ???????????????????????????? > > .b b.b. > > and where do you live? > > >nnb< > > > roberibus111 <Roberibus111@> wrote: --- In > Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam@> > > wrote: > > > > > > oh what acircus oh what a show,an adventure for all and one > > > > > > tigerlily_du_lac <tigerlily_du_lac@> wrote: Bob baba say: > > > > > > >thought is in consciousness. > > > >consciousness is in unconsciousness. > > > >unconsciousness is in mind. > > > >mind is in thought. > > > > > > Surely mind is more than thought, mind is that which make thought > > > happen? I think there is mind, and there is idea of mind. Two are not > > > same. > > > > > > ---- > > > I think mind is just special form of consciousness. Oh? And then > there > > > is unknown awareness light shining on this, and so seen? > > > > > > Is this correct? > > > > if that's what 'you' think then for 'you' that is 'true''. what > > possible difference can it make if 'someone else' believes something > > else? 'you' only experience 'yourself'. all else is frankly unreal for > > 'you' or for 'me'. and quite actually both 'you' and 'i' are just as > > unreal. unreal huh? and even stranger is the fact that the unreal is > > unreal. > > > > .b bobji b. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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