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when the immenseness incurs there is no 'seeing'.

 

there obtains no 'knowing'.

 

only in the relative absence of all-being is there a world to view.

 

out of the Substantial all 'i am's arise,

 

as the 'whiches' which can never be

 

and never be found.

 

but that are 'self'-conceived as that which 'sees' all 'others',

 

and all worlds to view.

 

non separate is fundamental 'truth'.

 

in time frames, before 'birth' and after 'death'

 

no 'self' exists.

 

lonely is the hunter.

 

the hunted is non 'concerned'.

 

non 'aware'.

 

non 'conscious'.

 

and yet....

 

never apart

 

always home

 

for the actual homeless which believes in 'existents' of:

 

birth/death..

 

coming/going..

 

of a 'somewhat' in 'something'

 

that are from the first void.

 

when dreams are no more

 

all dreamers vanish.

 

from before until after and even now

 

just so.

 

reflections of nothing will end at the end

 

that is just a beginning for that which is that

 

which is

 

and is only.

 

without change or non-change.

 

all notions of love and beauty and caring and care

 

pale echoes of introspection.

 

insignificant to

 

Significance.

 

Rest.

 

Action.

 

Will.

 

Indifference.

 

Power.

 

Light before Light.

 

Wayless.

 

thou art THAT.

 

Om Tat Sat.

 

..b bobji baba

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

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> when the immenseness incurs there is no 'seeing'.

>

> there obtains no 'knowing'.

>

> only in the relative absence of all-being is there a world to view.

>

> out of the Substantial all 'i am's arise,

>

> as the 'whiches' which can never be

>

> and never be found.

>

> but that are 'self'-conceived as that which 'sees' all 'others',

>

> and all worlds to view.

>

> non separate is fundamental 'truth'.

>

> in time frames, before 'birth' and after 'death'

>

> no 'self' exists.

>

> lonely is the hunter.

>

> the hunted is non 'concerned'.

>

> non 'aware'.

>

> non 'conscious'.

>

> and yet....

>

> never apart

>

> always home

>

> for the actual homeless which believes in 'existents' of:

>

> birth/death..

>

> coming/going..

>

> of a 'somewhat' in 'something'

>

> that are from the first void.

>

> when dreams are no more

>

> all dreamers vanish.

>

> from before until after and even now

>

> just so.

>

> reflections of nothing will end at the end

>

> that is just a beginning for that which is that

>

> which is

>

> and is only.

>

> without change or non-change.

>

> all notions of love and beauty and caring and care

>

> pale echoes of introspection.

>

> insignificant to

>

> Significance.

>

> Rest.

>

> Action.

>

> Will.

>

> Indifference.

>

> Power.

>

> Light before Light.

>

> Wayless.

>

> thou art THAT.

>

> Om Tat Sat.

>

> .b bobji baba

>

 

-Good heavens.

 

" thou art THAT.

 

Om Tat Sat. "

 

-Do you know what that means..........Bobbert?

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> >

>

> -Good heavens.

>

> " thou art THAT.

>

> Om Tat Sat. "

>

> -Do you know what that means..........Bobbert?

>

 

 

 

If he does...........he doesn't.

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

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>

> > >

> >

> > -Good heavens.

> >

> > " thou art THAT.

> >

> > Om Tat Sat. "

> >

> > -Do you know what that means..........Bobbert?

> >

>

>

>

> If he does...........he doesn't.

>

>

>

> toombaru

 

 

 

 

 

:-)

 

 

toombaru:

 

 

she who asked..........

 

be lost.

 

poor little bopeep.

 

she..... peekaboo!

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > > >

> > >

> > > -Good heavens.

> > >

> > > " thou art THAT.

> > >

> > > Om Tat Sat. "

> > >

> > > -Do you know what that means..........Bobbert?

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > If he does...........he doesn't.

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

>

>

>

>

> :-)

>

>

> toombaru:

>

>

> she who asked..........

>

> be lost.

>

> poor little bopeep.

>

> she..... peekaboo!

>

> .b b.b.

>

 

Who pushed your touchy button this time...........Boobert.

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Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn

wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > -Good heavens.

> > > >

> > > > " thou art THAT.

> > > >

> > > > Om Tat Sat. "

> > > >

> > > > -Do you know what that means..........Bobbert?

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > If he does...........he doesn't.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > :-)

> >

> >

> > toombaru:

> >

> >

> > she who asked..........

> >

> > be lost.

> >

> > poor little bopeep.

> >

> > she..... peekaboo!

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

>

> Who pushed your touchy button this time...........Boobert.

 

 

 

 

 

;-)))))))))))

 

 

 

ROFLMAO!

 

oh she who like to touch my toochy button..

 

mmmmm sweetie...

 

so nice...

 

i like....

 

but hon, my little faggy...

 

you forgot the question mark.

 

you so stupid as well as so near queer.

 

now i pull strings on you.

 

movie movie my dumb puppet.

 

i expect a response from my pulling.

 

quickly.

 

 

but..ah...take your diseased hands off of my private toochy

 

k?

 

call it a button if you will..

 

but i know what you really want girly.

 

you are such a stupid ninky-poopy-pants,

 

you stink bad hon.

 

you must be the loneliest mental cripple.

 

i want to play some more..so come on..

 

shake all over.

 

Ha ha! heeeeeeeeeee!!!!

 

your Lord and Master string puller,

 

..b bobji baba

 

 

p.s. what do you like most on the list of Niz? oh sweety...i know..

and so does everyone here. you just can't resist trying to get the

Great baba to speak to you...you love me and you know it you silly

little girly man. okey dokey..here it is for the month of April...keep

trying and you might get another gift of the grace of baba's wisdom

and truth in May.

 

maybe.

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 "

<lastrain@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > -Good heavens.

> > > > >

> > > > > " thou art THAT.

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Tat Sat. "

> > > > >

> > > > > -Do you know what that means..........Bobbert?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > If he does...........he doesn't.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > :-)

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru:

> > >

> > >

> > > she who asked..........

> > >

> > > be lost.

> > >

> > > poor little bopeep.

> > >

> > > she..... peekaboo!

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> >

> > Who pushed your touchy button this time...........Boobert.

>

>

>

>

>

> ;-)))))))))))

>

>

>

> ROFLMAO!

>

> oh she who like to touch my toochy button..

>

> mmmmm sweetie...

>

> so nice...

>

> i like....

>

> but hon, my little faggy...

>

> you forgot the question mark.

>

> you so stupid as well as so near queer.

>

> now i pull strings on you.

>

> movie movie my dumb puppet.

>

> i expect a response from my pulling.

>

> quickly.

>

>

> but..ah...take your diseased hands off of my private toochy

>

> k?

>

> call it a button if you will..

>

> but i know what you really want girly.

>

> you are such a stupid ninky-poopy-pants,

>

> you stink bad hon.

>

> you must be the loneliest mental cripple.

>

> i want to play some more..so come on..

>

> shake all over.

>

> Ha ha! heeeeeeeeeee!!!!

>

> your Lord and Master string puller,

>

> .b bobji baba

>

>

> p.s. what do you like most on the list of Niz? oh sweety...i know..

> and so does everyone here. you just can't resist trying to get the

> Great baba to speak to you...you love me and you know it you silly

> little girly man. okey dokey..here it is for the month of

April...keep

> trying and you might get another gift of the grace of baba's wisdom

> and truth in May.

>

> maybe.

>

 

You passed the test Booby, you noticed that a question mark is

missing, well done, your familiarity with imbecility is paying of.

 

I tell you what I like most on this forum......Bobbert.

 

It's got to be the embarrassing hollow reply's you bother to send me

every time. I like that.

 

The other thing I like and that really intrigues me is the

similarity you show with the nicotine found in the beedies that Niz

sold in his tobacco shop.

That's probably why you're so generous with your shit throwing.

 

Sukhi Ho little man, Sukhi Ho.

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Nisargadatta , <alesadamek wrote:

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> > Od: " Lene "

> > Komu: Nisargadatta

> > Datum: 29.01.2010 10:51

> > Předmět: Tearing down and building up

> >

>  

>

>

>

> When I was a child and an adolescent and a young adult the general

> idea/concept/intention was to built nice and beautiful and perfect

> flawless houses. And I tried and I tried and I failed and I failed

> and I tried again and I failed again, but stubborn was I for I had

> been told, that man was bad and had to strive to be good and I did

> obey.

>

> When I married a man I married a man who destroyed everything, who

> tore down all the nice, pretty images had formed " this here mind " .

> I asked him why you do this? Why are you being such an asshole and

> tearing down the beautiful dream-castles built by men who want the

> good?

>

> He said there is a time to tear down and a time to built up and it

> is not an either or affair. It is that now you do this and now you

> do that and there is perfect harmony see? And although it was hard

> to fathom that destroying things could be good - it did eventually

> come clear that the man was right & that was the reason why no man

> can be good without being bad as well. What I was up, and fighting

> against was dream-castles, windmills.

>

> I see our notoriously famous bobby as one tearing down most of the

> time, although not all of the time and no wonder! surrounded as he

> is by people who only want the good without the bad, the holy with

> out the secular and so on.

>

> -Lene

>

>  

>

>  

>

> Dear Lene,

>

>  

>

> it is true, whatever comes and goes is just a stream of events, sometimes it

is good, sometimes bad, but always changeful, so only way is to go beyond

glamour of appearances and be real, changeless.

 

 

 

Dear Ales,

 

So you say. I say there is no going beyond. One is what one is,

and one is fragmented, ie. full of opposites, contradictions et

al.

 

As far as " enlightenment " is concerned I say that enlightenment

is seeing/understanding/realising one is fragmented -- iow that

one is NOT enlightened (if being enlightened means to be whole).

 

The seeing that one is divided, fragmented, is one whole action

: unfragmented. Realising I am not enlightened is enlightenment.

 

It is that simple :)

 

 

 

> I abandoned all false identifications (from childhood till married man age)

and you can talk about anything, but I know it is in mind area and no

imagination I take for reality.

 

 

 

But " mindarea " (images) is the only reality there is, and that

reality therefore (because it is the only reality there is :-)

includes (neverever excludes, reality doesn't exclude anything

whatsoever) seeing them images/reality for what they/it are/is.

 

 

 

> So you can try to explain to others about existence of both sides (good and

bad), but no longer to me. i know (thanks to acceptance of GuruÅ› words) it is

just mind exercise.

 

 

 

Of course it is mind-excercise. The " problem " with some people

in my perception is that they will not have this! They wil not

have what IS -- they will have what is NOT! And that my friend

and take my word for it (for once in a lifetime ;) THAT - what

is NOT - they cannot ever have - simply because it is NOT. Est

comme ci et comme ci est comme ca ha :)

 

Much love to you and Prague :)

 

-Lene

 

 

 

 

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