Guest guest Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 'believe nothing. no matter where you read it, or who said it, even if i have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.' buddha ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > 'believe nothing. > no matter where you read it, > or who said it, > even if i have said it, > unless it agrees with your own reason > and your own common sense.' > > buddha > > .b b.b. > Common sense is what got you in this mess. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > 'believe nothing. > > no matter where you read it, > > or who said it, > > even if i have said it, > > unless it agrees with your own reason > > and your own common sense.' > > > > buddha > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > Common sense is what got you in this mess. > > > toombaru that would seem to be common sense that you here deploy to jest about common sense. how common of you. what mess do you see? you get what you want, and want what you see, and i believe that mess must be yours. i neither sense nor see a mess. but for the fog you enter from. i'm free as a bird. you must learn to be a condemned man toombaru.. no priest, no friends, no comment. the end is just the beginning. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > 'believe nothing. > > > no matter where you read it, > > > or who said it, > > > even if i have said it, > > > unless it agrees with your own reason > > > and your own common sense.' > > > > > > buddha > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > Common sense is what got you in this mess. > > > > > > toombaru > > > that would seem to be common sense > > that you here deploy > > to jest about common sense. > > how common of you. > > what mess do you see? > > you get what you want, > > and want what you see, > > and i believe that mess must be yours. > > i neither sense nor see a mess. > > but for the fog you enter from. > > i'm free as a bird. > > you must learn to be a condemned man toombaru.. > > no priest, no friends, no comment. > > the end is just the beginning. > > > .b b.b. and toom...reread the original header...'what NOT to believe... if you believe this guy'. do you really think i believe him or anyone else. toombaru! i thought you had a better sense of me. ..b bobji baba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > 'believe nothing. > > > no matter where you read it, > > > or who said it, > > > even if i have said it, > > > unless it agrees with your own reason > > > and your own common sense.' > > > > > > buddha > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > Common sense is what got you in this mess. > > > > > > toombaru > > > that would seem to be common sense > > that you here deploy > > to jest about common sense. > > how common of you. > > what mess do you see? > > you get what you want, > > and want what you see, > > and i believe that mess must be yours. > > i neither sense nor see a mess. > > but for the fog you enter from. > > i'm free as abird. > > you must learn to be a condemned man toombaru.. > > no priest, no friends, no comment. > > the end is just the beginning. > > > .b b.b. > " i'm free as a bird. " is just another prison. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > 'believe nothing. > > > > no matter where you read it, > > > > or who said it, > > > > even if i have said it, > > > > unless it agrees with your own reason > > > > and your own common sense.' > > > > > > > > buddha > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Common sense is what got you in this mess. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > that would seem to be common sense > > > > that you here deploy > > > > to jest about common sense. > > > > how common of you. > > > > what mess do you see? > > > > you get what you want, > > > > and want what you see, > > > > and i believe that mess must be yours. > > > > i neither sense nor see a mess. > > > > but for the fog you enter from. > > > > i'm free as a bird. > > > > you must learn to be a condemned man toombaru.. > > > > no priest, no friends, no comment. > > > > the end is just the beginning. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > and toom...reread the original header...'what NOT to believe... if you > > believe this guy'. do you really think i believe him or anyone else. > > toombaru! i thought you had a better sense of me. > > > .b bobji baba > You for got where I live. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > 'believe nothing. > > > > > no matter where you read it, > > > > > or who said it, > > > > > even if i have said it, > > > > > unless it agrees with your own reason > > > > > and your own common sense.' > > > > > > > > > > buddha > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Common sense is what got you in this mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > that would seem to be common sense > > > > > > that you here deploy > > > > > > to jest about common sense. > > > > > > how common of you. > > > > > > what mess do you see? > > > > > > you get what you want, > > > > > > and want what you see, > > > > > > and i believe that mess must be yours. > > > > > > i neither sense nor see a mess. > > > > > > but for the fog you enter from. > > > > > > i'm free as a bird. > > > > > > you must learn to be a condemned man toombaru.. > > > > > > no priest, no friends, no comment. > > > > > > the end is just the beginning. > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > and toom...reread the original header...'what NOT to believe... if you > > > > believe this guy'. do you really think i believe him or anyone else. > > > > toombaru! i thought you had a better sense of me. > > > > > > .b bobji baba > > > > > You for got where I live. > > > toombaru you forget who i am. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > 'believe nothing. > > > > no matter where you read it, > > > > or who said it, > > > > even if i have said it, > > > > unless it agrees with your own reason > > > > and your own common sense.' > > > > > > > > buddha > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Common sense is what got you in this mess. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > that would seem to be common sense > > > > that you here deploy > > > > to jest about common sense. > > > > how common of you. > > > > what mess do you see? > > > > you get what you want, > > > > and want what you see, > > > > and i believe that mess must be yours. > > > > i neither sense nor see a mess. > > > > but for the fog you enter from. > > > > i'm free as abird. > > > > you must learn to be a condemned man toombaru.. > > > > no priest, no friends, no comment. > > > > the end is just the beginning. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > " i'm free as a bird. " is just another prison. > > > toombaru for whom? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > 'believe nothing. > > > > > > no matter where you read it, > > > > > > or who said it, > > > > > > even if i have said it, > > > > > > unless it agrees with your own reason > > > > > > and your own common sense.' > > > > > > > > > > > > buddha > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Common sense is what got you in this mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > that would seem to be common sense > > > > > > > > that you here deploy > > > > > > > > to jest about common sense. > > > > > > > > how common of you. > > > > > > > > what mess do you see? > > > > > > > > you get what you want, > > > > > > > > and want what you see, > > > > > > > > and i believe that mess must be yours. > > > > > > > > i neither sense nor see a mess. > > > > > > > > but for the fog you enter from. > > > > > > > > i'm free as a bird. > > > > > > > > you must learn to be a condemned man toombaru.. > > > > > > > > no priest, no friends, no comment. > > > > > > > > the end is just the beginning. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > and toom...reread the original header...'what NOT to believe... if > you > > > > > > believe this guy'. do you really think i believe him or anyone else. > > > > > > toombaru! i thought you had a better sense of me. > > > > > > > > > .b bobji baba > > > > > > > > > You for got where I live. > > > > > > toombaru > > > you forget who i am. > > .b b.b. > I am is the confusion. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > 'believe nothing. > > > > > no matter where you read it, > > > > > or who said it, > > > > > even if i have said it, > > > > > unless it agrees with your own reason > > > > > and your own common sense.' > > > > > > > > > > buddha > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Common sense is what got you in this mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > that would seem to be common sense > > > > > > that you here deploy > > > > > > to jest about common sense. > > > > > > how common of you. > > > > > > what mess do you see? > > > > > > you get what you want, > > > > > > and want what you see, > > > > > > and i believe that mess must be yours. > > > > > > i neither sense nor see a mess. > > > > > > but for the fog you enter from. > > > > > > i'm free as abird. > > > > > > you must learn to be a condemned man toombaru.. > > > > > > no priest, no friends, no comment. > > > > > > the end is just the beginning. > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > " i'm free as a bird. " is just another prison. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > for whom? > > .b b.b. > For the one who believes it. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > 'believe nothing. > > > > > > no matter where you read it, > > > > > > or who said it, > > > > > > even if i have said it, > > > > > > unless it agrees with your own reason > > > > > > and your own common sense.' > > > > > > > > > > > > buddha > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Common sense is what got you in this mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > that would seem to be common sense > > > > > > > > that you here deploy > > > > > > > > to jest about common sense. > > > > > > > > how common of you. > > > > > > > > what mess do you see? > > > > > > > > you get what you want, > > > > > > > > and want what you see, > > > > > > > > and i believe that mess must be yours. > > > > > > > > i neither sense nor see a mess. > > > > > > > > but for the fog you enter from. > > > > > > > > i'm free as abird. > > > > > > > > you must learn to be a condemned man toombaru.. > > > > > > > > no priest, no friends, no comment. > > > > > > > > the end is just the beginning. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " i'm free as a bird. " is just another prison. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > for whom? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > For the one who believes it. > > > toombaru there is no one who believes it. that is only your belief that there must be a 'someone' to 'believe' in 'something' in order for it to be an actual description of an actual state of being.this is silly and untrue. from the day to day conscious prison of thought this would seem to be the case. once free of this constraining 'force' spawned by untenable limitations and barricades of thinking's fortress of finality the resultant state of That Which Is Always The Case needs feel no longer compelled to follow the blind restrictions of the monkey-mind program. Freedom Reigns and all protests of the lesser mind are but farts in the whirlwind. ..b bobji baba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'believe nothing. > > > > > > > no matter where you read it, > > > > > > > or who said it, > > > > > > > even if i have said it, > > > > > > > unless it agrees with your own reason > > > > > > > and your own common sense.' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > buddha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Common sense is what got you in this mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that would seem to be common sense > > > > > > > > > > that you here deploy > > > > > > > > > > to jest about common sense. > > > > > > > > > > how common of you. > > > > > > > > > > what mess do you see? > > > > > > > > > > you get what you want, > > > > > > > > > > and want what you see, > > > > > > > > > > and i believe that mess must be yours. > > > > > > > > > > i neither sense nor see a mess. > > > > > > > > > > but for the fog you enter from. > > > > > > > > > > i'm free as a bird. > > > > > > > > > > you must learn to be a condemned man toombaru.. > > > > > > > > > > no priest, no friends, no comment. > > > > > > > > > > the end is just the beginning. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and toom...reread the original header...'what NOT to believe... if > > you > > > > > > > > believe this guy'. do you really think i believe him or anyone > else. > > > > > > > > toombaru! i thought you had a better sense of me. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b bobji baba > > > > > > > > > > > > > You for got where I live. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > you forget who i am. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > I am is the confusion. > > > toombaru it seems to be for 'you' most certainly. there is far more than 'you' toombaru. if 'you' only knew. and inevitably you already do. but you are far too interested in 'toombaru' being perceived as 'right' to see how 'self' centered and deluded thereby 'you' are become. yes...'you' are the confusion. ah what Joy awaits 'you' when this fog of fantasy rises. and there will be the no-toombaru there always has been and there will be truth that could be cared less about. especially these strange attempts of 'yours' at explaining the unexplainable. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'believe nothing. > > > > > > > no matter where you read it, > > > > > > > or who said it, > > > > > > > even if i have said it, > > > > > > > unless it agrees with your own reason > > > > > > > and your own common sense.' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > buddha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Common sense is what got you in this mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that would seem to be common sense > > > > > > > > > > that you here deploy > > > > > > > > > > to jest about common sense. > > > > > > > > > > how common of you. > > > > > > > > > > what mess do you see? > > > > > > > > > > you get what you want, > > > > > > > > > > and want what you see, > > > > > > > > > > and i believe that mess must be yours. > > > > > > > > > > i neither sense nor see a mess. > > > > > > > > > > but for the fog you enter from. > > > > > > > > > > i'm free as abird. > > > > > > > > > > you must learn to be a condemned man toombaru.. > > > > > > > > > > no priest, no friends, no comment. > > > > > > > > > > the end is just the beginning. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " i'm free as a bird. " is just another prison. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > for whom? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > For the one who believes it. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > there is no one who believes it. A declaration that proclaims there is. that is only your belief that there > > must be a 'someone' to 'believe' in 'something' in order for it to be > > an actual description of an actual state of being. Belief..........any belief needs a home.....and an imaginary separateness in which to believe. Belief can exist only in duality. this is silly and > > untrue. from the day to day conscious prison of thought this would > > seem to be the case. once free of this constraining 'force' spawned by > > untenable limitations and barricades of thinking's fortress of > > finality the resultant state of That Which Is Always The Case needs > > feel no longer compelled to follow the blind restrictions of the > > monkey-mind program. Freedom Reigns and all protests of the lesser > > mind are but farts in the whirlwind. Mind can not be free of thinking any more then the wind can be free of motion. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'believe nothing. > > > > > > > > no matter where you read it, > > > > > > > > or who said it, > > > > > > > > even if i have said it, > > > > > > > > unless it agrees with your own reason > > > > > > > > and your own common sense.' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > buddha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Common sense is what got you in this mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that would seem to be common sense > > > > > > > > > > > > that you here deploy > > > > > > > > > > > > to jest about common sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > how common of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > what mess do you see? > > > > > > > > > > > > you get what you want, > > > > > > > > > > > > and want what you see, > > > > > > > > > > > > and i believe that mess must be yours. > > > > > > > > > > > > i neither sense nor see a mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > but for the fog you enter from. > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm free as a bird. > > > > > > > > > > > > you must learn to be a condemned man toombaru.. > > > > > > > > > > > > no priest, no friends, no comment. > > > > > > > > > > > > the end is just the beginning. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and toom...reread the original header...'what NOT to believe... if > > > you > > > > > > > > > > believe this guy'. do you really think i believe him or anyone > > else. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru! i thought you had a better sense of me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b bobji baba > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You for got where I live. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > you forget who i am. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > I am is the confusion. > > > > > > toombaru > > > it seems to be for 'you' most certainly. there is far more than 'you' > > toombaru. if 'you' only knew. and inevitably you already do. but you > > are far too interested in 'toombaru' being perceived as 'right' to see > > how 'self' centered and deluded thereby 'you' are become. yes...'you' > > are the confusion. ah what Joy awaits 'you' when this fog of fantasy > > rises. and there will be the no-toombaru there always has been and > > there will be truth that could be cared less about. especially these > > strange attempts of 'yours' at explaining the unexplainable. > > > .b b.b. > Bobby........there is nothing beyond the dream.......That IS the Understanding. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'believe nothing. > > > > > > > > no matter where you read it, > > > > > > > > or who said it, > > > > > > > > even if i have said it, > > > > > > > > unless it agrees with your own reason > > > > > > > > and your own common sense.' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > buddha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Common sense is what got you in this mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that would seem to be common sense > > > > > > > > > > > > that you here deploy > > > > > > > > > > > > to jest about common sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > how common of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > what mess do you see? > > > > > > > > > > > > you get what you want, > > > > > > > > > > > > and want what you see, > > > > > > > > > > > > and i believe that mess must be yours. > > > > > > > > > > > > i neither sense nor see a mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > but for the fog you enter from. > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm free as abird. > > > > > > > > > > > > you must learn to be a condemned man toombaru.. > > > > > > > > > > > > no priest, no friends, no comment. > > > > > > > > > > > > the end is just the beginning. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " i'm free as a bird. " is just another prison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for whom? > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the one who believes it. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > there is no one who believes it. > A declaration that proclaims there is. this is your belief, this is not fact. > that is only your belief that there > > > > must be a 'someone' to 'believe' in 'something' in order for it to be > > > > an actual description of an actual state of being. > > > > > > Belief..........any belief needs a home.....and an imaginary > separateness in which to believe. > > Belief can exist only in duality. of course. i speak of that which requires no belief. do you need a belief that you are alive? i hold NO beliefs and i don't even believe that because this is not something that requires any belief for me...it IS me. you are speaking in duality about dualisms..... and from here which is everywhere you just sound funny. > this is silly and > > > > untrue. from the day to day conscious prison of thought this would > > > > seem to be the case. once free of this constraining 'force' spawned by > > > > untenable limitations and barricades of thinking's fortress of > > > > finality the resultant state of That Which Is Always The Case needs > > > > feel no longer compelled to follow the blind restrictions of the > > > > monkey-mind program. Freedom Reigns and all protests of the lesser > > > > mind are but farts in the whirlwind. Mind can not be free of thinking any more then the wind can be free of > motion. > > > > toombaru mind in the sense which you refer here is certainly never separate from thought...it is thought... i speak of THAT in which thought is given 'birth' and 'room' and is ITSELF not contained within thought and never will be as it never was. the wind is not constrained by motion. the wind 'is'.. the world moves. what's in motion? is it a sucking or a blowing motion? ask a meteorologist before you answer. regarding mind and thought, and reality and illusion,...ask the baba. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'believe nothing. > > > > > > > > > no matter where you read it, > > > > > > > > > or who said it, > > > > > > > > > even if i have said it, > > > > > > > > > unless it agrees with your own reason > > > > > > > > > and your own common sense.' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > buddha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Common sense is what got you in this mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that would seem to be common sense > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that you here deploy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to jest about common sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how common of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what mess do you see? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you get what you want, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and want what you see, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and i believe that mess must be yours. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i neither sense nor see a mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but for the fog you enter from. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm free as a bird. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you must learn to be a condemned man toombaru.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no priest, no friends, no comment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the end is just the beginning. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and toom...reread the original header...'what NOT to > believe... if > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > believe this guy'. do you really think i believe him or anyone > > > else. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru! i thought you had a better sense of me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b bobji baba > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You for got where I live. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > you forget who i am. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am is the confusion. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > it seems to be for 'you' most certainly. there is far more than 'you' > > > > toombaru. if 'you' only knew. and inevitably you already do. but you > > > > are far too interested in 'toombaru' being perceived as 'right' to see > > > > how 'self' centered and deluded thereby 'you' are become. yes...'you' > > > > are the confusion. ah what Joy awaits 'you' when this fog of fantasy > > > > rises. and there will be the no-toombaru there always has been and > > > > there will be truth that could be cared less about. especially these > > > > strange attempts of 'yours' at explaining the unexplainable. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > Bobby........there is nothing beyond the dream.......That IS the > Understanding. > > > > > toombaru that's 'your' understanding...and it's barren. ..b bobji baba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'believe nothing. > > > > > > > > > no matter where you read it, > > > > > > > > > or who said it, > > > > > > > > > even if i have said it, > > > > > > > > > unless it agrees with your own reason > > > > > > > > > and your own common sense.' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > buddha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Common sense is what got you in this mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that would seem to be common sense > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that you here deploy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to jest about common sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how common of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what mess do you see? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you get what you want, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and want what you see, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and i believe that mess must be yours. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i neither sense nor see a mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but for the fog you enter from. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm free as abird. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you must learn to be a condemned man toombaru.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no priest, no friends, no comment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the end is just the beginning. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " i'm free as a bird. " is just another prison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for whom? > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the one who believes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no one who believes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A declaration that proclaims there is. > > > > > this is your belief, this is not fact. > > > In all matters spiritual, that are no facts. > > > > > that is only your belief that there > > > > > > must be a 'someone' to 'believe' in 'something' in order for it to be > > > > > > an actual description of an actual state of being. > > > > > > > > > > > > Belief..........any belief needs a home.....and an imaginary > > separateness in which to believe. > > > > Belief can exist only in duality. > of course. i speak of that which requires no belief. There is no such thing. do you need a > belief that you are alive? Yes. i hold NO beliefs and i don't even believe > that because this is not something that requires any belief for > me...it IS me. " Me' is a belief. > > you are speaking in duality about dualisms..... and from here which is > everywhere you just sound funny. > > > All speaking is duality. All thought is duality. > > > > > > this is silly and > > > > > > untrue. from the day to day conscious prison of thought this would > > > > > > seem to be the case. once free of this constraining 'force' > spawned by > > > > > > untenable limitations and barricades of thinking's fortress of > > > > > > finality the resultant state of That Which Is Always The Case needs > > > > > > feel no longer compelled to follow the blind restrictions of the > > > > > > monkey-mind program. Freedom Reigns and all protests of the lesser > > > > > > mind are but farts in the whirlwind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind can not be free of thinking any more then the wind can be free of > > motion. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > mind in the sense which you refer here is certainly never separate > from thought...it is thought... > > i speak of THAT in which thought is given 'birth' That would make if forever beyond thought and thought's bastard. and 'room' and is > ITSELF not contained within thought and never will be as it never was. > > the wind is not constrained by motion. the wind 'is'. There is no such thing as 'wind' anymore then there is such a thing as 'weather'. .. the world > moves. what's in motion? is it a sucking or a blowing motion? ask a > meteorologist before you answer. > > regarding mind and thought, and reality and illusion,...ask the baba. > > Baba is stacking shadows. I have no need of shadow stacks. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'believe nothing. > > > > > > > > > > no matter where you read it, > > > > > > > > > > or who said it, > > > > > > > > > > even if i have said it, > > > > > > > > > > unless it agrees with your own reason > > > > > > > > > > and your own common sense.' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > buddha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Common sense is what got you in this mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that would seem to be common sense > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that you here deploy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to jest about common sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how common of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what mess do you see? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you get what you want, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and want what you see, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and i believe that mess must be yours. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i neither sense nor see a mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but for the fog you enter from. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm free as abird. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you must learn to be a condemned man toombaru.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no priest, no friends, no comment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the end is just the beginning. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " i'm free as a bird. " is just another prison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for whom? > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the one who believes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no one who believes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A declaration that proclaims there is. > > > > > > > > > > this is your belief, this is not fact. > > > > > > > > > > In all matters spiritual, that are no facts. i don't know what 'spiritual' matters or 'spiritual' worlds are. they are nice terms for evading truth and obviously from what you say above facts as well. > > > that is only your belief that there > > > > > > > > must be a 'someone' to 'believe' in 'something' in order for it > to be > > > > > > > > an actual description of an actual state of being. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Belief..........any belief needs a home.....and an imaginary > > > separateness in which to believe. > > > > > > Belief can exist only in duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of course. i speak of that which requires no belief. > > > > > There is no such thing. you make of belief a god! there is much before and beyond belief toombaru. sad is your estate in life if all you know is that which first requires fragile and never-lasting 'belief'. > do you need a > > belief that you are alive? > > > > > Yes. this is completely wrong and 'you' know it. belief is not a requirement...it is just a word toombaru...what's the matter with you...you are trying to defend an attitude and a belief and both are void, and without substance or reality ,and you don't have to NOT believe in that for that to be the case. run out into the traffic on a freeway and don't believe with all your heart, and mind, and soul, that there are no cars there and tell me after you are wasted that believing reveals truth or 'what is'. you are being silly toom. > i hold NO beliefs and i don't even believe > > that because this is not something that requires any belief for > > me...it IS me. > > > > " Me' is a belief. evidently 'you' believe so. 'i' don't. 'i' am not imprisoned with or by that thought or belief 'myself'. > > you are speaking in duality about dualisms..... and from here which is > > everywhere you just sound funny. > > > > > > > > > > All speaking is duality. > > All thought is duality. very true. but from where thought originates and is issued from need not be, indeed cannot be, in duality. speaking, thinking, walking, breathing etc. etc. are manifestations of that which is not two that in expression is self-cognized and self-recognized as many... and duality springs forth as not other than but quite impossible to explain or see as the ONE reality without other. at the veil of thought there is the parting of the many and the one that is in thought only. but we are of neither constriction. we are FREE. > > > this is silly and > > > > > > > > untrue. from the day to day conscious prison of thought this would > > > > > > > > seem to be the case. once free of this constraining 'force' > > spawned by > > > > > > > > untenable limitations and barricades of thinking's fortress of > > > > > > > > finality the resultant state of That Which Is Always The Case needs > > > > > > > > feel no longer compelled to follow the blind restrictions of the > > > > > > > > monkey-mind program. Freedom Reigns and all protests of the lesser > > > > > > > > mind are but farts in the whirlwind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind can not be free of thinking any more then the wind can be free of > > > motion. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > mind in the sense which you refer here is certainly never separate > > from thought...it is thought... > > > > i speak of THAT in which thought is given 'birth' > > > That would make if forever beyond thought and thought's bastard. thought's bastard child the concept? or is the bastard the cognition faculty itself? either way...agreed. but to be limited to thought, thought's virginal child the concept, or as one of the uncountable children and toys of thought, is to be limited by an un-illumined shadow that can hardly be called 'living' at all. > and 'room' and is > > ITSELF not contained within thought and never will be as it never was. > > > > the wind is not constrained by motion. the wind 'is'. There is no such thing as 'wind' anymore then there is such a thing as > 'weather'. you're the one who brought the wind into this. you're saying something is and then you say it isn't. what is with this progression of thought? you seem lost toombaru. > . the world > > moves. what's in motion? is it a sucking or a blowing motion? ask a > > meteorologist before you answer. > > > regarding mind and thought, and reality and illusion,...ask the baba. > > > > > > > > > Baba is stacking shadows. > > I have no need of shadow stacks. > > > > toombaru the baba stacks nothing. only nothing. is in fact nothing. you have no needs but for the beliefs you defend so vigorously. some would call that shadow stacking in spades! and how's that working for you? believing that you have no beliefs. and believing 'others' will listen. ahem........ ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'believe nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > no matter where you read it, > > > > > > > > > > > or who said it, > > > > > > > > > > > even if i have said it, > > > > > > > > > > > unless it agrees with your own reason > > > > > > > > > > > and your own common sense.' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > buddha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Common sense is what got you in this mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that would seem to be common sense > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that you here deploy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to jest about common sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how common of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what mess do you see? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you get what you want, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and want what you see, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and i believe that mess must be yours. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i neither sense nor see a mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but for the fog you enter from. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm free as abird. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you must learn to be a condemned man toombaru.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no priest, no friends, no comment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the end is just the beginning. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " i'm free as a bird. " is just another prison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for whom? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the one who believes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no one who believes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A declaration that proclaims there is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is your belief, this is not fact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In all matters spiritual, that are no facts. i don't know what 'spiritual' matters or 'spiritual' worlds are. they > are nice terms for evading truth and obviously from what you say above > facts as well. > > > > > that is only your belief that there > > > > > > > > > > must be a 'someone' to 'believe' in 'something' in order for it > > to be > > > > > > > > > > an actual description of an actual state of being. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Belief..........any belief needs a home.....and an imaginary > > > > separateness in which to believe. > > > > > > > > Belief can exist only in duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of course. i speak of that which requires no belief. > > > > > > > > > > There is no such thing. > > > > you make of belief a god! there is much before and beyond belief > toombaru. sad is your estate in life if all you know is that which > first requires fragile and never-lasting 'belief'. > > > > > > > do you need a > > > belief that you are alive? > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > this is completely wrong and 'you' know it. belief is not a > requirement...it is just a word toombaru...what's the matter with > you...you are trying to defend an attitude and a belief and both are > void, and without substance or reality ,and you don't have to NOT > believe in that for that to be the case. run out into the traffic on a > freeway and don't believe with all your heart, and mind, and soul, > that there are no cars there and tell me after you are wasted that > believing reveals truth or 'what is'. you are being silly toom. > > > i hold NO beliefs and i don't even believe > > > that because this is not something that requires any belief for > > > me...it IS me. > > > > > > > > " Me' is a belief. > > > > evidently 'you' believe so. 'i' don't. 'i' am not imprisoned with or > by that thought or belief 'myself'. > > > > > > > you are speaking in duality about dualisms..... and from here which is > > > everywhere you just sound funny. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All speaking is duality. > > > > All thought is duality. > > > > very true. but from where thought originates and is issued from need > not be, indeed cannot be, in duality. speaking, thinking, walking, > breathing etc. etc. are manifestations of that which is not two that > in expression is self-cognized and self-recognized as many... and > duality springs forth as not other than but quite impossible to > explain or see as the ONE reality without other. at the veil of > thought there is the parting of the many and the one that is in > thought only. but we are of neither constriction. we are FREE. > > > > > > > > this is silly and > > > > > > > > > > untrue. from the day to day conscious prison of thought this > would > > > > > > > > > > seem to be the case. once free of this constraining 'force' > > > spawned by > > > > > > > > > > untenable limitations and barricades of thinking's fortress of > > > > > > > > > > finality the resultant state of That Which Is Always The Case > needs > > > > > > > > > > feel no longer compelled to follow the blind restrictions of the > > > > > > > > > > monkey-mind program. Freedom Reigns and all protests of the > lesser > > > > > > > > > > mind are but farts in the whirlwind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind can not be free of thinking any more then the wind can be > free of > > > > motion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > mind in the sense which you refer here is certainly never separate > > > from thought...it is thought... > > > > > > i speak of THAT in which thought is given 'birth' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That would make if forever beyond thought and thought's bastard. > thought's bastard child the concept? or is the bastard the cognition > faculty itself? either way...agreed. but to be limited to thought, > thought's virginal child the concept, or as one of the uncountable > children and toys of thought, is to be limited by an un-illumined > shadow that can hardly be called 'living' at all. > > and 'room' and is > > > ITSELF not contained within thought and never will be as it never > was. > > > > > > the wind is not constrained by motion. the wind 'is'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no such thing as 'wind' anymore then there is such a thing as > > 'weather'. > > > > you're the one who brought the wind into this. you're saying something > is and then you say it isn't. what is with this progression of > thought? you seem lost toombaru. > > > > > > > . the world > > > moves. what's in motion? is it a sucking or a blowing motion? ask a > > > meteorologist before you answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding mind and thought, and reality and illusion,...ask the baba. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Baba is stacking shadows. > > > > I have no need of shadow stacks. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > the baba stacks nothing. only nothing. is in fact nothing. > > you have no needs but for the beliefs you defend so vigorously. > > some would call that shadow stacking in spades! > > and how's that working for you? > > believing that you have no beliefs. > > and believing 'others' will listen. > > ahem........ > > > .b b.b. > Bobby.....your elaborate belief structure about that which lies beyond thought is merely another thought complex. It only extends the dream-weaving. It is no different then the gods of old. It is congenital religiosity. Mind senses its own vacuity and feathers its own bed with grand delusions of a new land just beyond itself. It imagines that one day....it will cross the river between the two worlds. Only when the starkness of all conditions is ingested and digested will the dream break up......but there is no reward for the dreamt. Silly little monkey toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 > > > Bobby.....your elaborate belief structure about that which lies beyond > thought is merely another thought complex. > > It only extends the dream-weaving. > > It is no different then the gods of old. > > It is congenital religiosity. > > Mind senses its own vacuity and feathers its own bed with grand > delusions of a new land just beyond itself. > > It imagines that one day....it will cross the river between the two > worlds. > > Only when the starkness of all conditions is ingested and digested > will the dream break up......but there is no reward for the dreamt. > > Silly little monkey > > > > > toombaru .........and Bobby........try not to reflexively defend your position......just let what was said percolate down through those neurons...... Oh.........one more thing..... Don't forget to take your baby aspirin. Your friend in the South toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'believe nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > no matter where you read it, > > > > > > > > > > > > or who said it, > > > > > > > > > > > > even if i have said it, > > > > > > > > > > > > unless it agrees with your own reason > > > > > > > > > > > > and your own common sense.' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > buddha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Common sense is what got you in this mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that would seem to be common sense > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that you here deploy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to jest about common sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how common of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what mess do you see? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you get what you want, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and want what you see, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and i believe that mess must be yours. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i neither sense nor see a mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but for the fog you enter from. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm free as abird. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you must learn to be a condemned man toombaru.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no priest, no friends, no comment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the end is just the beginning. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " i'm free as a bird. " is just another prison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for whom? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the one who believes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no one who believes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A declaration that proclaims there is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is your belief, this is not fact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In all matters spiritual, that are no facts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know what 'spiritual' matters or 'spiritual' worlds are. they > > are nice terms for evading truth and obviously from what you say above > > facts as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that is only your belief that there > > > > > > > > > > > > must be a 'someone' to 'believe' in 'something' in order for it > > > to be > > > > > > > > > > > > an actual description of an actual state of being. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Belief..........any belief needs a home.....and an imaginary > > > > > separateness in which to believe. > > > > > > > > > > Belief can exist only in duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of course. i speak of that which requires no belief. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no such thing. > > > > > > > > you make of belief a god! there is much before and beyond belief > > toombaru. sad is your estate in life if all you know is that which > > first requires fragile and never-lasting 'belief'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > do you need a > > > > belief that you are alive? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > this is completely wrong and 'you' know it. belief is not a > > requirement...it is just a word toombaru...what's the matter with > > you...you are trying to defend an attitude and a belief and both are > > void, and without substance or reality ,and you don't have to NOT > > believe in that for that to be the case. run out into the traffic on a > > freeway and don't believe with all your heart, and mind, and soul, > > that there are no cars there and tell me after you are wasted that > > believing reveals truth or 'what is'. you are being silly toom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i hold NO beliefs and i don't even believe > > > > that because this is not something that requires any belief for > > > > me...it IS me. > > > > > > > > > > > > " Me' is a belief. > > > > > > > > evidently 'you' believe so. 'i' don't. 'i' am not imprisoned with or > > by that thought or belief 'myself'. > > > > > > > > > > > > you are speaking in duality about dualisms..... and from here > which is > > > > everywhere you just sound funny. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All speaking is duality. > > > > > > All thought is duality. > > > > > > > > very true. but from where thought originates and is issued from need > > not be, indeed cannot be, in duality. speaking, thinking, walking, > > breathing etc. etc. are manifestations of that which is not two that > > in expression is self-cognized and self-recognized as many... and > > duality springs forth as not other than but quite impossible to > > explain or see as the ONE reality without other. at the veil of > > thought there is the parting of the many and the one that is in > > thought only. but we are of neither constriction. we are FREE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is silly and > > > > > > > > > > > > untrue. from the day to day conscious prison of thought this > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > seem to be the case. once free of this constraining 'force' > > > > spawned by > > > > > > > > > > > > untenable limitations and barricades of thinking's fortress of > > > > > > > > > > > > finality the resultant state of That Which Is Always The Case > > needs > > > > > > > > > > > > feel no longer compelled to follow the blind restrictions of > the > > > > > > > > > > > > monkey-mind program. Freedom Reigns and all protests of the > > lesser > > > > > > > > > > > > mind are but farts in the whirlwind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind can not be free of thinking any more then the wind can be > > free of > > > > > motion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > mind in the sense which you refer here is certainly never separate > > > > from thought...it is thought... > > > > > > > > i speak of THAT in which thought is given 'birth' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That would make if forever beyond thought and thought's bastard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thought's bastard child the concept? or is the bastard the cognition > > faculty itself? either way...agreed. but to be limited to thought, > > thought's virginal child the concept, or as one of the uncountable > > children and toys of thought, is to be limited by an un-illumined > > shadow that can hardly be called 'living' at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and 'room' and is > > > > ITSELF not contained within thought and never will be as it never > > was. > > > > > > > > the wind is not constrained by motion. the wind 'is'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no such thing as 'wind' anymore then there is such a thing as > > > 'weather'. > > > > > > > > you're the one who brought the wind into this. you're saying something > > is and then you say it isn't. what is with this progression of > > thought? you seem lost toombaru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > . the world > > > > moves. what's in motion? is it a sucking or a blowing motion? ask a > > > > meteorologist before you answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding mind and thought, and reality and illusion,...ask the > baba. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Baba is stacking shadows. > > > > > > I have no need of shadow stacks. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > the baba stacks nothing. only nothing. is in fact nothing. > > > > you have no needs but for the beliefs you defend so vigorously. > > > > some would call that shadow stacking in spades! > > > > and how's that working for you? > > > > believing that you have no beliefs. > > > > and believing 'others' will listen. > > > > ahem........ > > > > > > .b b.b. > Bobby.....your elaborate belief structure about that which lies beyond > thought is merely another thought complex. > > It only extends the dream-weaving. > > It is no different then the gods of old. > > It is congenital religiosity. > > Mind senses its own vacuity and feathers its own bed with grand > delusions of a new land just beyond itself. > > It imagines that one day....it will cross the river between the two > worlds. > > Only when the starkness of all conditions is ingested and digested > will the dream break up......but there is no reward for the dreamt. > > Silly little monkey > > > > > toombaru you are merely puzzled at being a 'strange loop' as Daniel Hoftstater would acknowledge. there is a 'way' to break that spell and become that which is not looping. that 'way' is in merely understanding by not understanding formally that that which is.. is the no-self state itself and none other. your pretty metaphorical talk is just that...and it is empty of the Originality that releases the time bound phantom from it's muddy waters. you would have it that all others are incapable of escaping the trap of logic and illusion that you find yourself to be, and to be in. this is certainly not the case. though relatively rare, we 'finders' are at all times gesturing in unspoken originality for the lost 'parts' of our 'No-Self' to admit the 'Light' that is not other than 'Myself', and to at last 'See' THAT which is true and fine and actual and never ending nor beginning and is non other than that which thought it was lost or thought it was found but is by all such thinking only remaining within the strange loop of the 'self' that is not but thinks it is. and try and believe this: i am hoping for you that in this lifetime you escape the boundaries that your little silly 'self' has imprisoned 'you' in. i wish for the death of toombaru to allow the birth that is not a birth into the True Continuum and Actual Continuance. unto you now my sweet chimpanzee: blessings from baba, ..b bobji baba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > > > Bobby.....your elaborate belief structure about that which lies beyond > > thought is merely another thought complex. > > > > It only extends the dream-weaving. > > > > It is no different then the gods of old. > > > > It is congenital religiosity. > > > > Mind senses its own vacuity and feathers its own bed with grand > > delusions of a new land just beyond itself. > > > > It imagines that one day....it will cross the river between the two > > worlds. > > > > Only when the starkness of all conditions is ingested and digested > > will the dream break up......but there is no reward for the dreamt. > > > > Silly little monkey > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > ........and Bobby........try not to reflexively defend your > position......just let what was said percolate down through those > neurons...... > > > > Oh.........one more thing..... > > Don't forget to take your baby aspirin. > > > > Your friend in the South > > > > toombaru toombaru: it is you that are trying to defend your 'vision' of fatality. this vision is simply wrong not just misspoken. your cutting remarks regarding children are psychological defense mechanisms employed by those with inferiority complexes... by those who believe they are 'someone' with 'something' or 'some theory' to defend.. or 'convert' 'others into believing or buying.. strange and loopy sick puppy. don't look for bones. the yipping signifies nothing more than the animal that does so yip. bow wow younker. there are no such things as neurons...nuerons are just a word. nothing is happening and nothing happened ever. 'you' will grow into this state of being someday. whether 'you' 'want' to or not. it is not your destiny. it is what is. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'believe nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > no matter where you read it, > > > > > > > > > > > > > or who said it, > > > > > > > > > > > > > even if i have said it, > > > > > > > > > > > > > unless it agrees with your own reason > > > > > > > > > > > > > and your own common sense.' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > buddha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Common sense is what got you in this mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that would seem to be common sense > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that you here deploy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to jest about common sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how common of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what mess do you see? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you get what you want, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and want what you see, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and i believe that mess must be yours. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i neither sense nor see a mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but for the fog you enter from. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm free as abird. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you must learn to be a condemned man toombaru.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no priest, no friends, no comment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the end is just the beginning. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " i'm free as a bird. " is just another prison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for whom? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the one who believes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no one who believes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A declaration that proclaims there is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is your belief, this is not fact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In all matters spiritual, that are no facts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know what 'spiritual' matters or 'spiritual' worlds are. they > > > are nice terms for evading truth and obviously from what you say above > > > facts as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that is only your belief that there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must be a 'someone' to 'believe' in 'something' in order > for it > > > > to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an actual description of an actual state of being. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Belief..........any belief needs a home.....and an imaginary > > > > > > separateness in which to believe. > > > > > > > > > > > > Belief can exist only in duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of course. i speak of that which requires no belief. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no such thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > you make of belief a god! there is much before and beyond belief > > > toombaru. sad is your estate in life if all you know is that which > > > first requires fragile and never-lasting 'belief'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do you need a > > > > > belief that you are alive? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > this is completely wrong and 'you' know it. belief is not a > > > requirement...it is just a word toombaru...what's the matter with > > > you...you are trying to defend an attitude and a belief and both are > > > void, and without substance or reality ,and you don't have to NOT > > > believe in that for that to be the case. run out into the traffic on a > > > freeway and don't believe with all your heart, and mind, and soul, > > > that there are no cars there and tell me after you are wasted that > > > believing reveals truth or 'what is'. you are being silly toom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i hold NO beliefs and i don't even believe > > > > > that because this is not something that requires any belief for > > > > > me...it IS me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Me' is a belief. > > > > > > > > > > > > evidently 'you' believe so. 'i' don't. 'i' am not imprisoned with or > > > by that thought or belief 'myself'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you are speaking in duality about dualisms..... and from here > > which is > > > > > everywhere you just sound funny. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All speaking is duality. > > > > > > > > All thought is duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > very true. but from where thought originates and is issued from need > > > not be, indeed cannot be, in duality. speaking, thinking, walking, > > > breathing etc. etc. are manifestations of that which is not two that > > > in expression is self-cognized and self-recognized as many... and > > > duality springs forth as not other than but quite impossible to > > > explain or see as the ONE reality without other. at the veil of > > > thought there is the parting of the many and the one that is in > > > thought only. but we are of neither constriction. we are FREE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is silly and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > untrue. from the day to day conscious prison of thought this > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seem to be the case. once free of this constraining 'force' > > > > > spawned by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > untenable limitations and barricades of thinking's > fortress of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finality the resultant state of That Which Is Always The Case > > > needs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel no longer compelled to follow the blind restrictions of > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > monkey-mind program. Freedom Reigns and all protests of the > > > lesser > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind are but farts in the whirlwind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind can not be free of thinking any more then the wind can be > > > free of > > > > > > motion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind in the sense which you refer here is certainly never > separate > > > > > from thought...it is thought... > > > > > > > > > > i speak of THAT in which thought is given 'birth' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That would make if forever beyond thought and thought's bastard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thought's bastard child the concept? or is the bastard the cognition > > > faculty itself? either way...agreed. but to be limited to thought, > > > thought's virginal child the concept, or as one of the uncountable > > > children and toys of thought, is to be limited by an un-illumined > > > shadow that can hardly be called 'living' at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and 'room' and is > > > > > ITSELF not contained within thought and never will be as it never > > > was. > > > > > > > > > > the wind is not constrained by motion. the wind 'is'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no such thing as 'wind' anymore then there is such a > thing as > > > > 'weather'. > > > > > > > > > > > > you're the one who brought the wind into this. you're saying something > > > is and then you say it isn't. what is with this progression of > > > thought? you seem lost toombaru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . the world > > > > > moves. what's in motion? is it a sucking or a blowing motion? > ask a > > > > > meteorologist before you answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding mind and thought, and reality and illusion,...ask the > > baba. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Baba is stacking shadows. > > > > > > > > I have no need of shadow stacks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > the baba stacks nothing. only nothing. is in fact nothing. > > > > > > you have no needs but for the beliefs you defend so vigorously. > > > > > > some would call that shadow stacking in spades! > > > > > > and how's that working for you? > > > > > > believing that you have no beliefs. > > > > > > and believing 'others' will listen. > > > > > > ahem........ > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bobby.....your elaborate belief structure about that which lies beyond > > thought is merely another thought complex. > > > > It only extends the dream-weaving. > > > > It is no different then the gods of old. > > > > It is congenital religiosity. > > > > Mind senses its own vacuity and feathers its own bed with grand > > delusions of a new land just beyond itself. > > > > It imagines that one day....it will cross the river between the two > > worlds. > > > > Only when the starkness of all conditions is ingested and digested > > will the dream break up......but there is no reward for the dreamt. > > > > Silly little monkey > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > you are merely puzzled at being a 'strange loop' as Daniel Hoftstater > > would acknowledge. there is a 'way' to break that spell and become > > that which is not looping. that 'way' is in merely understanding by > > not understanding formally that that which is.. is the no-self state > > itself and none other. your pretty metaphorical talk is just > > that...and it is empty of the Originality that releases the time bound > > phantom from it's muddy waters. you would have it that all others are > > incapable of escaping the trap of logic and illusion that you find > > yourself to be, and to be in. this is certainly not the case. though > > relatively rare, we 'finders' are at all times gesturing in unspoken > > originality for the lost 'parts' of our 'No-Self' to admit the 'Light' > > that is not other than 'Myself', and to at last 'See' THAT which is > > true and fine and actual and never ending nor beginning and is non > > other than that which thought it was lost or thought it was found but > > is by all such thinking only remaining within the strange loop of the > > 'self' that is not but thinks it is. and try and believe this: i am > > hoping for you that in this lifetime you escape the boundaries that > > your little silly 'self' has imprisoned 'you' in. i wish for the death > > of toombaru to allow the birth that is not a birth into the True > > Continuum and Actual Continuance. > > unto you now my sweet chimpanzee: > > blessings from baba, > > .b bobji baba > p.s. Douglas Hofstadter called and said he was glad to hear that Daniel Hoftstater would acknowledge things.. so would he...his doppelganger. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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