Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 the real Self don't need any of " your " * concepts/happiness/enlightenment/intelligence/spirituality/knowledge/lov e...... to be....and stay being real Self.... Marc * " your " = fiction of ego-mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 Indeed,! -- and doesn't need you or me to give a name to it. And doesn't indeed have nor keep any of your or my concepts, happiness, enlightenment, names, etc. The preacher said, 'Vanity of vanities, all is vanity. There is nothing new under the sun.' Human conceit and the ongoing projects of the human race ... Dust blowing through an endless unlocated vista of no name. -- D. Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > > the real Self don't need any of " your " * > concepts/happiness/enlightenment/intelligence/spirituality/knowledge/lov > e...... > > to be....and stay being real Self.... > > > Marc > > > > * " your " = fiction of ego-mind > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Indeed,! -- and doesn't need you or me to give a name to it. > > And doesn't indeed have nor keep any of your or my concepts, > happiness, enlightenment, names, etc. > > The preacher said, 'Vanity of vanities, all is vanity. There is > nothing new under the sun.' > > Human conceit and the ongoing projects of the human race ... > > Dust blowing through an endless unlocated vista of no name. > > -- D. Vanity implies volition. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 volition and all is only apparent, diana toombaru2006 <lastrain wrote: --- In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Indeed,! -- and doesn't need you or me to give a name to it. > > And doesn't indeed have nor keep any of your or my concepts, > happiness, enlightenment, names, etc. > > The preacher said, 'Vanity of vanities, all is vanity. There is > nothing new under the sun.' > > Human conceit and the ongoing projects of the human race ... > > Dust blowing through an endless unlocated vista of no name. > > -- D. Vanity implies volition. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Indeed,! -- and doesn't need you or me to give a name to it. > > > > And doesn't indeed have nor keep any of your or my concepts, > > happiness, enlightenment, names, etc. > > > > The preacher said, 'Vanity of vanities, all is vanity. There is > > nothing new under the sun.' > > > > Human conceit and the ongoing projects of the human race ... > > > > Dust blowing through an endless unlocated vista of no name. > > > > -- D. > > > Vanity implies volition. > > > toombaru boy you sure see a lot of implications in things. vanity implies volition... belief implies choice.. toombaru attempts to imply what by this nonsense? remember (which you can't) there are no things to imply anything. but of course 'you' cannot use mnemotechnic tricks.. as an illusion 'you' have no memories other than imaginary ones. it's rather vain to make the above statement as well. but of course it wasn't your choice to stating it or not. life's got you by the short hairs toomie. you could just sit down and have a swell tomato sandwich. why bother with all this stuff that you have no say about? but then...you don't have a choice.. and are so bothered to say as much.... so much of the time... so much... so often... so many ways... the same 'poor is me' and 'poor is the world'... we're all just victims. except 'I' (toombaru) understand this......ho ho ho! are you sure of what the big 'Understanding' is telling you? of course 'it's' not telling any nobody nothing because they ain't. and neither is the 'Understanding'. This IS the UNDERSTANDING. and despite any perceived volition... you have no choice.. in belief or in writing what you do. THIS IS TRUTH. ..b b.b. dare to be great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Indeed,! -- and doesn't need you or me to give a name to it. > > > > > > And doesn't indeed have nor keep any of your or my concepts, > > > happiness, enlightenment, names, etc. > > > > > > The preacher said, 'Vanity of vanities, all is vanity. There is > > > nothing new under the sun.' > > > > > > Human conceit and the ongoing projects of the human race ... > > > > > > Dust blowing through an endless unlocated vista of no name. > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > Vanity implies volition. > > > > > > toombaru > > > boy you sure see a lot of implications in things. > > vanity implies volition... > > belief implies choice.. > > toombaru attempts to imply what by this nonsense? > > remember (which you can't) there are no things to imply anything. > > but of course 'you' cannot use mnemotechnic tricks.. > > as an illusion 'you' have no memories other than imaginary ones. > > it's rather vain to make the above statement as well. > > but of course it wasn't your choice to stating it or not. > > life's got you by the short hairs toomie. > > you could just sit down and have a swell tomato sandwich. > > why bother with all this stuff that you have no say about? > > but then...you don't have a choice.. > > and are so bothered to say as much.... > > so much of the time... > > so much... > > so often... > > so many ways... > > the same 'poor is me' and 'poor is the world'... > > we're all just victims. > > except 'I' (toombaru) understand this......ho ho ho! > > are you sure of what the big 'Understanding' is telling you? > > of course 'it's' not telling any nobody nothing because they ain't. > > and neither is the 'Understanding'. > > This IS the UNDERSTANDING. > > and despite any perceived volition... > > you have no choice.. > > in belief or in writing what you do. > > THIS IS TRUTH. > > .b b.b. > > dare to be great! > without choice, where would choicelessness be? without belief what be there? without t/here where would I be? without I be there Be-ing? just some questions on a late Tuesday afternoon/early Tuesday evening here in sunny O-HI-o. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > Vanity implies volition. > > > toombaru All is Vanity by Me Yes, indeed I exist. If you don't think so I'll shoot. You'd better salute. And give me a smile. Feeling fine all the while. Cause it's good I exist. Let's talk about me. That will set you free. All the things that I love. Like the sky above. And all that I touch. They all love me so much. Sometimes it's me that I hate. But then I notice I'm great. So it's you that's the fool. Pardon my drool. When I'm not, I'll be missed. You're not me and you're pissed. Can't say that I blame you for that. I'm King Shit; here I shat. Listen to what I have to say. You'll be sorry one day. That you didn't take heed. Of each golden deed that I done. I sure had my fun. But now I'm gone. Oh well, life's a bitch. But I did scratch my itch. -- D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam wrote: > > volition and all is only apparent, diana before the disappearance of after, dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam@> > wrote: > > > > volition and all is only apparent, diana > > before the disappearance of after, dan apparently so. but nobody or nothing has any choice. does 'after' disappear before 'before'? or after 'after'? there may be a before, before an after... but after the after, the before is no more. and the after is no longer after the before or the after. after all...tomorrow is another day. for the dead. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Indeed,! -- and doesn't need you or me to give a name to it. > > > > > > And doesn't indeed have nor keep any of your or my concepts, > > > happiness, enlightenment, names, etc. > > > > > > The preacher said, 'Vanity of vanities, all is vanity. There is > > > nothing new under the sun.' > > > > > > Human conceit and the ongoing projects of the human race ... > > > > > > Dust blowing through an endless unlocated vista of no name. > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > Vanity implies volition. > > > > > > toombaru > > > boy you sure see a lot of implications in things. > > vanity implies volition... > > belief implies choice.. > > toombaru attempts to imply what by this nonsense? > > remember (which you can't) there are no things to imply anything. > > but of course 'you' cannot use mnemotechnic tricks.. > > as an illusion 'you' have no memories other than imaginary ones. > > it's rather vain to make the above statement as well. > > but of course it wasn't your choice to stating it or not. > > life's got you by the short hairs toomie. > > you could just sit down and have a swell tomato sandwich. > > why bother with all this stuff that you have no say about? > > but then...you don't have a choice.. > > and are so bothered to say as much.... > > so much of the time... > > so much... > > so often... > > so many ways... > > the same 'poor is me' and 'poor is the world'... > > we're all just victims. > > except 'I' (toombaru) understand this......ho ho ho! > > are you sure of what the big 'Understanding' is telling you? > > of course 'it's' not telling any nobody nothing because they ain't. > > and neither is the 'Understanding'. > > This IS the UNDERSTANDING. > > and despite any perceived volition... > > you have no choice.. > > in belief or in writing what you do. > > THIS IS TRUTH. > > .b b.b. > > dare to be great! > Identification is vanity. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Indeed,! -- and doesn't need you or me to give a name to it. > > > > > > > > And doesn't indeed have nor keep any of your or my concepts, > > > > happiness, enlightenment, names, etc. > > > > > > > > The preacher said, 'Vanity of vanities, all is vanity. There is > > > > nothing new under the sun.' > > > > > > > > Human conceit and the ongoing projects of the human race ... > > > > > > > > Dust blowing through an endless unlocated vista of no name. > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > Vanity implies volition. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > boy you sure see a lot of implications in things. > > > > vanity implies volition... > > > > belief implies choice.. > > > > toombaru attempts to imply what by this nonsense? > > > > remember (which you can't) there are no things to imply anything. > > > > but of course 'you' cannot use mnemotechnic tricks.. > > > > as an illusion 'you' have no memories other than imaginary ones. > > > > it's rather vain to make the above statement as well. > > > > but of course it wasn't your choice to stating it or not. > > > > life's got you by the short hairs toomie. > > > > you could just sit down and have a swell tomato sandwich. > > > > why bother with all this stuff that you have no say about? > > > > but then...you don't have a choice.. > > > > and are so bothered to say as much.... > > > > so much of the time... > > > > so much... > > > > so often... > > > > so many ways... > > > > the same 'poor is me' and 'poor is the world'... > > > > we're all just victims. > > > > except 'I' (toombaru) understand this......ho ho ho! > > > > are you sure of what the big 'Understanding' is telling you? > > > > of course 'it's' not telling any nobody nothing because they ain't. > > > > and neither is the 'Understanding'. > > > > This IS the UNDERSTANDING. > > > > and despite any perceived volition... > > > > you have no choice.. > > > > in belief or in writing what you do. > > > > THIS IS TRUTH. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > dare to be great! > > > > > > > Identification is vanity. > > > > toombaru are you proud of this statement? doesn't identification imply 'remembering'? at least a remembering of that which is being identified with. whose memories? remember..here and now boys! all is identification. hence: identification is vanity. what's your point? this seems fairly obvious. dare to be great! and try and reply to the whole statement. not just the last bits and thereby evading the real issues involved in the discussion. your method is to start a quick repartee.. and then to abandon the discussion when you can't reply in a straightforward manner. except for one small interesting fact. you just have to pop in when you think you've grabbed hold of something to make a comment on... no matter how evasive that comment is to the meat of the matter. you like seeing yourself in print i think. 1. there is nothing to 'grab' onto. 2. neither 'you' nor the 'print' is real. 3. nothing matters anyway. 4. who are you talking to? 5. the gangs all here honey, but your not. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam@> > > wrote: > > > > > > volition and all is only apparent, diana > > > > before the disappearance of after, dan > > > > > > apparently so. > > but nobody or nothing has any choice. > > does 'after' disappear before 'before'? > > or after 'after'? > > there may be a before, before an after... > > but after the after, the before is no more. > > and the after is no longer after the before or the after. > > after all...tomorrow is another day. > > for the dead. > > > .b b.b. yes or no which is it going to be, boy? no or yes before or after tomorrow always dies i want to know right now will you love me forever? (who is the spy in the house of love?) ..d d.d. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Identification is vanity. > > > > toombaru Vanidentity in vain. All my I's in vain. const I pation constant preoccupation const I pation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > volition and all is only apparent, diana > > > > > > before the disappearance of after, dan > > > > > > > > > > > > apparently so. > > > > but nobody or nothing has any choice. > > > > does 'after' disappear before 'before'? > > > > or after 'after'? > > > > there may be a before, before an after... > > > > but after the after, the before is no more. > > > > and the after is no longer after the before or the after. > > > > after all...tomorrow is another day. > > > > for the dead. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > yes or no > > which is it going to be, boy? > > no or yes > > before or after > > tomorrow always dies > > i want to know right now > > will you love me forever? > > (who is the spy in the house of love?) > > .d d.d. what'd you just say? when did you say it...now? why? what's 'your' point? what's love got to do with it? as Tina says: " What's love got to do, got to do with it What's love but a second hand emotion What's love got to do, got to do with it Who needs a heart when a heart can be broken " yes a brokenhearted melody.... but boho cool. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > Identification is vanity. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > Vanidentity in vain. > > All my I's in vain. > > const I pation > > constant preoccupation > > const I pation identification is also evidence of a determination towards individuality. but it is choice-less. the undivided void determines itself as an individual identification of a 'somebody'. ain't that something? actually no it's not. it's nothing from first to last without beginning or end. if you give thanks to the Understanding, it's amour propre will respond with: it's nothing child! " good response! vain void! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Indeed,! -- and doesn't need you or me to give a name to it. > > > > > > > > > > And doesn't indeed have nor keep any of your or my concepts, > > > > > happiness, enlightenment, names, etc. > > > > > > > > > > The preacher said, 'Vanity of vanities, all is vanity. There is > > > > > nothing new under the sun.' > > > > > > > > > > Human conceit and the ongoing projects of the human race ... > > > > > > > > > > Dust blowing through an endless unlocated vista of no name. > > > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vanity implies volition. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > boy you sure see a lot of implications in things. > > > > > > vanity implies volition... > > > > > > belief implies choice.. > > > > > > toombaru attempts to imply what by this nonsense? > > > > > > remember (which you can't) there are no things to imply anything. > > > > > > but of course 'you' cannot use mnemotechnic tricks.. > > > > > > as an illusion 'you' have no memories other than imaginary ones. > > > > > > it's rather vain to make the above statement as well. > > > > > > but of course it wasn't your choice to stating it or not. > > > > > > life's got you by the short hairs toomie. > > > > > > you could just sit down and have a swell tomato sandwich. > > > > > > why bother with all this stuff that you have no say about? > > > > > > but then...you don't have a choice.. > > > > > > and are so bothered to say as much.... > > > > > > so much of the time... > > > > > > so much... > > > > > > so often... > > > > > > so many ways... > > > > > > the same 'poor is me' and 'poor is the world'... > > > > > > we're all just victims. > > > > > > except 'I' (toombaru) understand this......ho ho ho! > > > > > > are you sure of what the big 'Understanding' is telling you? > > > > > > of course 'it's' not telling any nobody nothing because they ain't. > > > > > > and neither is the 'Understanding'. > > > > > > This IS the UNDERSTANDING. > > > > > > and despite any perceived volition... > > > > > > you have no choice.. > > > > > > in belief or in writing what you do. > > > > > > THIS IS TRUTH. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > dare to be great! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Identification is vanity. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > are you proud of this statement? > > doesn't identification imply 'remembering'? > > at least a remembering of that which is being identified with. > > whose memories? > > remember..here and now boys! > > all is identification. > > hence: > > identification is vanity. > > what's your point? > > this seems fairly obvious. > > dare to be great! > > and try and reply to the whole statement. > > not just the last bits > > and thereby evading the real issues involved in the discussion. > > your method is to start a quick repartee.. > > and then to abandon the discussion > > when you can't reply in a straightforward manner. > > except for one small interesting fact. > > you just have to pop in when you think you've grabbed hold of > > something to make a comment on... > > no matter how evasive that comment is to the meat of the matter. > > you like seeing yourself in print i think. > > > 1. there is nothing to 'grab' onto. > > 2. neither 'you' nor the 'print' is real. > > 3. nothing matters anyway. > > 4. who are you talking to? > > 5. the gangs all here honey, but your not. > > > > .b b.b. > Bobby, You suffer the delusion that matters concerning descriptions of the illusory self can be discussed by illusory selves. You must remember to remember that in all matters insubstantial....no discussion is possible. We may come to some simple agreement on that taste of apples......but can never agree on matters that exist only as self-referential concepts. I appreciate your frenzied pointings..... I really do. But......anywhere you point in a dream ...............is only dream. ......and there is no where else to point........and no one to point. Get the point? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Indeed,! -- and doesn't need you or me to give a name to it. > > And doesn't indeed have nor keep any of your or my concepts, > happiness, enlightenment, names, etc. > > The preacher said, 'Vanity of vanities, all is vanity. There is > nothing new under the sun.' > > Human conceit and the ongoing projects of the human race ... > > Dust blowing through an endless unlocated vista of no name. > > -- D. yes, indeed Marc > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > the real Self don't need any of " your " * > > concepts/happiness/enlightenment/intelligence/spirituality/knowledge/l ov > > e...... > > > > to be....and stay being real Self.... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > * " your " = fiction of ego-mind > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed,! -- and doesn't need you or me to give a name to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > And doesn't indeed have nor keep any of your or my concepts, > > > > > > happiness, enlightenment, names, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > The preacher said, 'Vanity of vanities, all is vanity. There is > > > > > > nothing new under the sun.' > > > > > > > > > > > > Human conceit and the ongoing projects of the human race ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Dust blowing through an endless unlocated vista of no name. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vanity implies volition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > boy you sure see a lot of implications in things. > > > > > > > > vanity implies volition... > > > > > > > > belief implies choice.. > > > > > > > > toombaru attempts to imply what by this nonsense? > > > > > > > > remember (which you can't) there are no things to imply anything. > > > > > > > > but of course 'you' cannot use mnemotechnic tricks.. > > > > > > > > as an illusion 'you' have no memories other than imaginary ones. > > > > > > > > it's rather vain to make the above statement as well. > > > > > > > > but of course it wasn't your choice to stating it or not. > > > > > > > > life's got you by the short hairs toomie. > > > > > > > > you could just sit down and have a swell tomato sandwich. > > > > > > > > why bother with all this stuff that you have no say about? > > > > > > > > but then...you don't have a choice.. > > > > > > > > and are so bothered to say as much.... > > > > > > > > so much of the time... > > > > > > > > so much... > > > > > > > > so often... > > > > > > > > so many ways... > > > > > > > > the same 'poor is me' and 'poor is the world'... > > > > > > > > we're all just victims. > > > > > > > > except 'I' (toombaru) understand this......ho ho ho! > > > > > > > > are you sure of what the big 'Understanding' is telling you? > > > > > > > > of course 'it's' not telling any nobody nothing because they ain't. > > > > > > > > and neither is the 'Understanding'. > > > > > > > > This IS the UNDERSTANDING. > > > > > > > > and despite any perceived volition... > > > > > > > > you have no choice.. > > > > > > > > in belief or in writing what you do. > > > > > > > > THIS IS TRUTH. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > dare to be great! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Identification is vanity. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > are you proud of this statement? > > > > doesn't identification imply 'remembering'? > > > > at least a remembering of that which is being identified with. > > > > whose memories? > > > > remember..here and now boys! > > > > all is identification. > > > > hence: > > > > identification is vanity. > > > > what's your point? > > > > this seems fairly obvious. > > > > dare to be great! > > > > and try and reply to the whole statement. > > > > not just the last bits > > > > and thereby evading the real issues involved in the discussion. > > > > your method is to start a quick repartee.. > > > > and then to abandon the discussion > > > > when you can't reply in a straightforward manner. > > > > except for one small interesting fact. > > > > you just have to pop in when you think you've grabbed hold of > > > > something to make a comment on... > > > > no matter how evasive that comment is to the meat of the matter. > > > > you like seeing yourself in print i think. > > > > > > 1. there is nothing to 'grab' onto. > > > > 2. neither 'you' nor the 'print' is real. > > > > 3. nothing matters anyway. > > > > 4. who are you talking to? > > > > 5. the gangs all here honey, but your not. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > Bobby, > > You suffer the delusion that matters concerning descriptions of the > illusory self can be discussed by illusory selves. > > You must remember to remember that in all matters insubstantial....no > discussion is possible. > > We may come to some simple agreement on that taste of apples......but > can never agree on matters that exist only as self-referential concepts. > > I appreciate your frenzied pointings..... I really do. > > > But......anywhere you point in a dream ...............is only dream. > > .....and there is no where else to point........and no one to point. > > > Get the point? > > toombaru good point... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed,! -- and doesn't need you or me to give a name to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > And doesn't indeed have nor keep any of your or my concepts, > > > > > > happiness, enlightenment, names, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > The preacher said, 'Vanity of vanities, all is vanity. There is > > > > > > nothing new under the sun.' > > > > > > > > > > > > Human conceit and the ongoing projects of the human race ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Dust blowing through an endless unlocated vista of no name. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vanity implies volition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > boy you sure see a lot of implications in things. > > > > > > > > vanity implies volition... > > > > > > > > belief implies choice.. > > > > > > > > toombaru attempts to imply what by this nonsense? > > > > > > > > remember (which you can't) there are no things to imply anything. > > > > > > > > but of course 'you' cannot use mnemotechnic tricks.. > > > > > > > > as an illusion 'you' have no memories other than imaginary ones. > > > > > > > > it's rather vain to make the above statement as well. > > > > > > > > but of course it wasn't your choice to stating it or not. > > > > > > > > life's got you by the short hairs toomie. > > > > > > > > you could just sit down and have a swell tomato sandwich. > > > > > > > > why bother with all this stuff that you have no say about? > > > > > > > > but then...you don't have a choice.. > > > > > > > > and are so bothered to say as much.... > > > > > > > > so much of the time... > > > > > > > > so much... > > > > > > > > so often... > > > > > > > > so many ways... > > > > > > > > the same 'poor is me' and 'poor is the world'... > > > > > > > > we're all just victims. > > > > > > > > except 'I' (toombaru) understand this......ho ho ho! > > > > > > > > are you sure of what the big 'Understanding' is telling you? > > > > > > > > of course 'it's' not telling any nobody nothing because they ain't. > > > > > > > > and neither is the 'Understanding'. > > > > > > > > This IS the UNDERSTANDING. > > > > > > > > and despite any perceived volition... > > > > > > > > you have no choice.. > > > > > > > > in belief or in writing what you do. > > > > > > > > THIS IS TRUTH. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > dare to be great! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Identification is vanity. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > are you proud of this statement? > > > > doesn't identification imply 'remembering'? > > > > at least a remembering of that which is being identified with. > > > > whose memories? > > > > remember..here and now boys! > > > > all is identification. > > > > hence: > > > > identification is vanity. > > > > what's your point? > > > > this seems fairly obvious. > > > > dare to be great! > > > > and try and reply to the whole statement. > > > > not just the last bits > > > > and thereby evading the real issues involved in the discussion. > > > > your method is to start a quick repartee.. > > > > and then to abandon the discussion > > > > when you can't reply in a straightforward manner. > > > > except for one small interesting fact. > > > > you just have to pop in when you think you've grabbed hold of > > > > something to make a comment on... > > > > no matter how evasive that comment is to the meat of the matter. > > > > you like seeing yourself in print i think. > > > > > > 1. there is nothing to 'grab' onto. > > > > 2. neither 'you' nor the 'print' is real. > > > > 3. nothing matters anyway. > > > > 4. who are you talking to? > > > > 5. the gangs all here honey, but your not. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > Bobby, > > You suffer the delusion that matters concerning descriptions of the > illusory self can be discussed by illusory selves. > > You must remember to remember that in all matters insubstantial....no > discussion is possible. > > We may come to some simple agreement on that taste of apples......but > can never agree on matters that exist only as self-referential concepts. > > I appreciate your frenzied pointings..... I really do. > > > But......anywhere you point in a dream ...............is only dream. > > .....and there is no where else to point........and no one to point. > > > Get the point? > > toombaru yes i do toombaru. i 'got' and understood the point some time ago. as you say... you're dreaming bud! you can 'stop' 'your' suffering any time you want. just quit(as an illusory 'self') your continued thwarted attempts at: descriptions of the illusory self...and 'it's' 'world'. good advise for both goose and gander sport. by the bye...the taste of an apple...or anything..is THE most self referential 'feeling' that anyone can have. we can NEVER agree on the taste of apples..i don't know what they taste like to you and vice versa. tell me toombaru, 'what does an apple taste like?'...and don't use silly comparisons. as for " matters that exist only as self-referential concepts " ..... tell me..what ISN'T a self referential concept? i too appreciate your phrenetic and 'self'-defeating 'giving it a try' at seeming to know what your talking about...but it's plain silly. dream on 'Don Quixote'... those 'windmills'... those windbag notions... are only just... well you know...you read the story. no need to act it out though toombaru. we all got the picture long since. ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > <dan330033@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed,! -- and doesn't need you or me to give a name to > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And doesn't indeed have nor keep any of your or my > concepts, > > > > > > > happiness, enlightenment, names, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The preacher said, 'Vanity of vanities, all is vanity. > There is > > > > > > > nothing new under the sun.' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Human conceit and the ongoing projects of the human > race ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dust blowing through an endless unlocated vista of no > name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vanity implies volition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > boy you sure see a lot of implications in things. > > > > > > > > > > vanity implies volition... > > > > > > > > > > belief implies choice.. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru attempts to imply what by this nonsense? > > > > > > > > > > remember (which you can't) there are no things to imply > anything. > > > > > > > > > > but of course 'you' cannot use mnemotechnic tricks.. > > > > > > > > > > as an illusion 'you' have no memories other than imaginary > ones. > > > > > > > > > > it's rather vain to make the above statement as well. > > > > > > > > > > but of course it wasn't your choice to stating it or not. > > > > > > > > > > life's got you by the short hairs toomie. > > > > > > > > > > you could just sit down and have a swell tomato sandwich. > > > > > > > > > > why bother with all this stuff that you have no say about? > > > > > > > > > > but then...you don't have a choice.. > > > > > > > > > > and are so bothered to say as much.... > > > > > > > > > > so much of the time... > > > > > > > > > > so much... > > > > > > > > > > so often... > > > > > > > > > > so many ways... > > > > > > > > > > the same 'poor is me' and 'poor is the world'... > > > > > > > > > > we're all just victims. > > > > > > > > > > except 'I' (toombaru) understand this......ho ho ho! > > > > > > > > > > are you sure of what the big 'Understanding' is telling you? > > > > > > > > > > of course 'it's' not telling any nobody nothing because they > ain't. > > > > > > > > > > and neither is the 'Understanding'. > > > > > > > > > > This IS the UNDERSTANDING. > > > > > > > > > > and despite any perceived volition... > > > > > > > > > > you have no choice.. > > > > > > > > > > in belief or in writing what you do. > > > > > > > > > > THIS IS TRUTH. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > dare to be great! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Identification is vanity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > are you proud of this statement? > > > > > > doesn't identification imply 'remembering'? > > > > > > at least a remembering of that which is being identified with. > > > > > > whose memories? > > > > > > remember..here and now boys! > > > > > > all is identification. > > > > > > hence: > > > > > > identification is vanity. > > > > > > what's your point? > > > > > > this seems fairly obvious. > > > > > > dare to be great! > > > > > > and try and reply to the whole statement. > > > > > > not just the last bits > > > > > > and thereby evading the real issues involved in the discussion. > > > > > > your method is to start a quick repartee.. > > > > > > and then to abandon the discussion > > > > > > when you can't reply in a straightforward manner. > > > > > > except for one small interesting fact. > > > > > > you just have to pop in when you think you've grabbed hold of > > > > > > something to make a comment on... > > > > > > no matter how evasive that comment is to the meat of the matter. > > > > > > you like seeing yourself in print i think. > > > > > > > > > 1. there is nothing to 'grab' onto. > > > > > > 2. neither 'you' nor the 'print' is real. > > > > > > 3. nothing matters anyway. > > > > > > 4. who are you talking to? > > > > > > 5. the gangs all here honey, but your not. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bobby, > > > > You suffer the delusion that matters concerning descriptions of the > > illusory self can be discussed by illusory selves. > > > > You must remember to remember that in all matters > insubstantial....no > > discussion is possible. > > > > We may come to some simple agreement on that taste of > apples......but > > can never agree on matters that exist only as self-referential > concepts. > > > > I appreciate your frenzied pointings..... I really do. > > > > > > But......anywhere you point in a dream ...............is only dream. > > > > .....and there is no where else to point........and no one to point. > > > > > > Get the point? > > > > toombaru > > > good point... there are no 'points' in illusory dreams of dreams. what the hell would the point of a 'point' possibly be in an illusion? what you have answered above..proves the point! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > > <dan330033@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed,! -- and doesn't need you or me to give a name to > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And doesn't indeed have nor keep any of your or my > > concepts, > > > > > > > > happiness, enlightenment, names, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The preacher said, 'Vanity of vanities, all is vanity. > > There is > > > > > > > > nothing new under the sun.' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Human conceit and the ongoing projects of the human > > race ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dust blowing through an endless unlocated vista of no > > name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vanity implies volition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > boy you sure see a lot of implications in things. > > > > > > > > > > > > vanity implies volition... > > > > > > > > > > > > belief implies choice.. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru attempts to imply what by this nonsense? > > > > > > > > > > > > remember (which you can't) there are no things to imply > > anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > but of course 'you' cannot use mnemotechnic tricks.. > > > > > > > > > > > > as an illusion 'you' have no memories other than imaginary > > ones. > > > > > > > > > > > > it's rather vain to make the above statement as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > but of course it wasn't your choice to stating it or not. > > > > > > > > > > > > life's got you by the short hairs toomie. > > > > > > > > > > > > you could just sit down and have a swell tomato sandwich. > > > > > > > > > > > > why bother with all this stuff that you have no say about? > > > > > > > > > > > > but then...you don't have a choice.. > > > > > > > > > > > > and are so bothered to say as much.... > > > > > > > > > > > > so much of the time... > > > > > > > > > > > > so much... > > > > > > > > > > > > so often... > > > > > > > > > > > > so many ways... > > > > > > > > > > > > the same 'poor is me' and 'poor is the world'... > > > > > > > > > > > > we're all just victims. > > > > > > > > > > > > except 'I' (toombaru) understand this......ho ho ho! > > > > > > > > > > > > are you sure of what the big 'Understanding' is telling you? > > > > > > > > > > > > of course 'it's' not telling any nobody nothing because they > > ain't. > > > > > > > > > > > > and neither is the 'Understanding'. > > > > > > > > > > > > This IS the UNDERSTANDING. > > > > > > > > > > > > and despite any perceived volition... > > > > > > > > > > > > you have no choice.. > > > > > > > > > > > > in belief or in writing what you do. > > > > > > > > > > > > THIS IS TRUTH. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > dare to be great! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Identification is vanity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are you proud of this statement? > > > > > > > > doesn't identification imply 'remembering'? > > > > > > > > at least a remembering of that which is being identified with. > > > > > > > > whose memories? > > > > > > > > remember..here and now boys! > > > > > > > > all is identification. > > > > > > > > hence: > > > > > > > > identification is vanity. > > > > > > > > what's your point? > > > > > > > > this seems fairly obvious. > > > > > > > > dare to be great! > > > > > > > > and try and reply to the whole statement. > > > > > > > > not just the last bits > > > > > > > > and thereby evading the real issues involved in the discussion. > > > > > > > > your method is to start a quick repartee.. > > > > > > > > and then to abandon the discussion > > > > > > > > when you can't reply in a straightforward manner. > > > > > > > > except for one small interesting fact. > > > > > > > > you just have to pop in when you think you've grabbed hold of > > > > > > > > something to make a comment on... > > > > > > > > no matter how evasive that comment is to the meat of the matter. > > > > > > > > you like seeing yourself in print i think. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. there is nothing to 'grab' onto. > > > > > > > > 2. neither 'you' nor the 'print' is real. > > > > > > > > 3. nothing matters anyway. > > > > > > > > 4. who are you talking to? > > > > > > > > 5. the gangs all here honey, but your not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bobby, > > > > > > You suffer the delusion that matters concerning descriptions of the > > > illusory self can be discussed by illusory selves. > > > > > > You must remember to remember that in all matters > > insubstantial....no > > > discussion is possible. > > > > > > We may come to some simple agreement on that taste of > > apples......but > > > can never agree on matters that exist only as self-referential > > concepts. > > > > > > I appreciate your frenzied pointings..... I really do. > > > > > > > > > But......anywhere you point in a dream ...............is only dream. > > > > > > .....and there is no where else to point........and no one to point. > > > > > > > > > Get the point? > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > good point... > > > > there are no 'points' in illusory dreams of dreams. > > what the hell would the point of a 'point' possibly be in an illusion? > > what you have answered above..proves the point! > > > .b b.b. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > volition and all is only apparent, diana > > > > > > > > before the disappearance of after, dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apparently so. > > > > > > but nobody or nothing has any choice. > > > > > > does 'after' disappear before 'before'? > > > > > > or after 'after'? > > > > > > there may be a before, before an after... > > > > > > but after the after, the before is no more. > > > > > > and the after is no longer after the before or the after. > > > > > > after all...tomorrow is another day. > > > > > > for the dead. > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > yes or no > > > > which is it going to be, boy? > > > > no or yes > > > > before or after > > > > tomorrow always dies > > > > i want to know right now > > > > will you love me forever? > > > > (who is the spy in the house of love?) > > > > .d d.d. > > > what'd you just say? > > when did you say it...now? > > why? > > what's 'your' point? > > what's love got to do with it? > > as Tina says: > > " What's love got to do, got to do with it > > What's love but a second hand emotion > > What's love got to do, got to do with it > > Who needs a heart when a heart can be broken " > > yes a brokenhearted melody.... > > but boho cool. > > > .b b.b. I mentioned it because Meatloaf brought it up, that's all. Being loved forever -- many people fantasize about how wonderful that would be. With no before or after, what becomes of forever and ever ... " What becomes of the brokenhearted? Who had love that's now departed? I know I've got to find some kind of peace of mind. Maybe. " Jimmy Ruffin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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