Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 What is a human being, really? Zen master Tung Shan has expressed this basic fact clearly when he said, " I show the truth to living beings, and then they are no longer living beings. " The end question then is, " What really am I now? " Basically all any one is, is an object. And what is this object, as seen through an electron-scanning microscope with its tremendous magnification? Even as it exists at present and based on an intelligent projection, on what the microscope has already revealed, the body appears as really nothing but emptiness and certainly not a solid object. Furthermore, deep within this emptiness, the subatomic physicist tells us, is a nucleus which, being an oscillating field begins to dissolve, showing further organised fields - protons, neutrons and even smaller particles, each of which also dissolves into nothing but the rhythm of the universal pulse. In other words, there is no solidity at all, either at the most sublime level of the body or at the heart of the universe. The compact nucleus at the very heart of the atom, then, is nothing solid at all but rather a dynamic individual pattern of concentrated energy throbbing and vibrating at an incredible rate. ... Conversations with Ramesh S. Balsekar Consciousness Speaks (Ramesh S Balsekar) published by Advaita Press PO Box 3479 Redondo Beach CA 90277 USA www.advaita.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Grant " <g-ssummerville wrote: > > What is a human being, really? take a look! there is a human being right there every day of your life. really! big as all get out. for real! unless you are blind. then reach out and let your fingers tell you what a human being is. all the absurd palaver and trumpery below is about as meaningful as painting wings on an airplane. stupid actually. why on earth or heaven would a human being need an education on what it is to be a human being. horses have more sense than this. conversation with the baba: 'human being speaks' (.b bobji Q. baba) unpublished by Self. if you need the address you are lost. ..b bobji baba >absolutely NOTHING new below< > Zen master Tung Shan has expressed this basic fact clearly when he said, " I show the truth to living beings, and then they are no longer living beings. " The end question then is, " What really am I now? " Basically all any one is, is an object. And what is this object, as seen through an electron-scanning microscope with its tremendous magnification? Even as it exists at present and based on an intelligent projection, on what the microscope has already revealed, the body appears as really nothing but emptiness and certainly not a solid object. Furthermore, deep within this emptiness, the subatomic physicist tells us, is a nucleus which, being an oscillating field begins to dissolve, showing further organised fields - protons, neutrons and even smaller particles, each of which also dissolves into nothing but the rhythm of the universal pulse. In other words, there is no solidity at all, either at the most sublime level of the body or at the heart of the universe. The compact nucleus at the very heart of the atom, then, is nothing solid at all but rather a dynamic individual pattern of concentrated energy throbbing and vibrating at an incredible rate. ... > > Conversations with Ramesh S. Balsekar > > > Consciousness Speaks (Ramesh S Balsekar) published by > Advaita Press > PO Box 3479 > Redondo Beach CA 90277 > USA > www.advaita.org > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Anything Ramesh says or you say or I say also is presented as an object. Human relationships and self-identities all have to do with objectifications. Whether they are violent toward their objectifications or loving, hating or prizing ... If you want to know the truth beyond subject/object distinction ... *be* now as one is -- beyond any words or ideas about being and nonbeing ... Where can one get this truth if not with no-getting -- if not here, now, as is? -- D. no new below Nisargadatta , " Grant " <g-ssummerville wrote: > > What is a human being, really? > > Zen master Tung Shan has expressed this basic fact clearly when he said, " I show the truth to living beings, and then they are no longer living beings. " The end question then is, " What really am I now? " Basically all any one is, is an object. And what is this object, as seen through an electron-scanning microscope with its tremendous magnification? Even as it exists at present and based on an intelligent projection, on what the microscope has already revealed, the body appears as really nothing but emptiness and certainly not a solid object. Furthermore, deep within this emptiness, the subatomic physicist tells us, is a nucleus which, being an oscillating field begins to dissolve, showing further organised fields - protons, neutrons and even smaller particles, each of which also dissolves into nothing but the rhythm of the universal pulse. In other words, there is no solidity at all, either at the most sublime level of the body or at the heart of the universe. The compact nucleus at the very heart of the atom, then, is nothing solid at all but rather a dynamic individual pattern of concentrated energy throbbing and vibrating at an incredible rate. ... > > Conversations with Ramesh S. Balsekar > > > Consciousness Speaks (Ramesh S Balsekar) published by > Advaita Press > PO Box 3479 > Redondo Beach CA 90277 > USA > www.advaita.org > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Grant " <g-ssummerville@> wrote: > > > > What is a human being, really? > > > > take a look! there is a human being right there every day of your > life. really! big as all get out. for real! unless you are blind. then > reach out and let your fingers tell you what a human being is. all the > absurd palaver and trumpery below is about as meaningful as painting > wings on an airplane. stupid actually. why on earth or heaven would a > human being need an education on what it is to be a human being. > horses have more sense than this. > > > conversation with the baba: > > 'human being speaks' (.b bobji Q. baba) unpublished by Self. > > > if you need the address you are lost. > > > .b bobji baba > > > Last night.....in my dream....the people also seemed solid.... Where did they come from? Where are they now? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Grant " <g-ssummerville@> wrote: > > > > > > What is a human being, really? > > > > > > > > take a look! there is a human being right there every day of your > > life. really! big as all get out. for real! unless you are blind. then > > reach out and let your fingers tell you what a human being is. all the > > absurd palaver and trumpery below is about as meaningful as painting > > wings on an airplane. stupid actually. why on earth or heaven would a > > human being need an education on what it is to be a human being. > > horses have more sense than this. > > > > > > conversation with the baba: > > > > 'human being speaks' (.b bobji Q. baba) unpublished by Self. > > > > > > if you need the address you are lost. > > > > > > .b bobji baba > > > > > > > > > Last night.....in my dream....the people also seemed solid.... 'seemed' to whom? > Where did they come from? where did you come from? where does anybody or anything 'come from'? > > Where are they now? where are you right now? which space quadrant? which exact location on the planet...without using all that illusory nomenclature like 'California' or some other equally meaningless explanation. > toombaru these most basic questions that you attempt to use as deeply investigative pondering are children's games...i know for a fact that those same questions are bantered about by kids. would you care for a few more? ..b bobji baba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Grant " <g-ssummerville@> wrote: > > > > > > What is a human being, really? > > > > > > > > take a look! there is a human being right there every day of your > > life. really! big as all get out. for real! unless you are blind. then > > reach out and let your fingers tell you what a human being is. all the > > absurd palaver and trumpery below is about as meaningful as painting > > wings on an airplane. stupid actually. why on earth or heaven would a > > human being need an education on what it is to be a human being. > > horses have more sense than this. > > > > > > conversation with the baba: > > > > 'human being speaks' (.b bobji Q. baba) unpublished by Self. > > > > > > if you need the address you are lost. > > > > > > .b bobji baba > > > > > > > > > Last night.....in my dream....the people also seemed solid.... > > > > Where did they come from? > > > > Where are they now? > > > > > toombaru The object is there due to construction by the senses. The senses are there due to an object being constructed. That dream last night can only be remembered in a dream. -- D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Grant " <g-ssummerville@> wrote: > > > > > > > > What is a human being, really? > > > > > > > > > > > > take a look! there is a human being right there every day of your > > > life. really! big as all get out. for real! unless you are blind. then > > > reach out and let your fingers tell you what a human being is. all the > > > absurd palaver and trumpery below is about as meaningful as painting > > > wings on an airplane. stupid actually. why on earth or heaven would a > > > human being need an education on what it is to be a human being. > > > horses have more sense than this. > > > > > > > > > conversation with the baba: > > > > > > 'human being speaks' (.b bobji Q. baba) unpublished by Self. > > > > > > > > > if you need the address you are lost. > > > > > > > > > .b bobji baba > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last night.....in my dream....the people also seemed solid.... > > > > > > > > Where did they come from? > > > > > > > > Where are they now? > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > The object is there due to construction by the senses. > > The senses are there due to an object being constructed. > > That dream last night can only be remembered in a dream. > > > -- D. *** particles, waves, wavicles, all- self-inventing, self-actioning, self-dreaming, and...self-liberating. yowsers, Berkow! ;-) One-handed applause, Ken > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Grant " <g-ssummerville@> wrote: > > > > > > What is a human being, really? > > > > > > > > take a look! there is a human being right there every day of your > > life. really! big as all get out. for real! unless you are blind. then > > reach out and let your fingers tell you what a human being is. all the > > absurd palaver and trumpery below is about as meaningful as painting > > wings on an airplane. stupid actually. why on earth or heaven would a > > human being need an education on what it is to be a human being. > > horses have more sense than this. > > > > > > conversation with the baba: > > > > 'human being speaks' (.b bobji Q. baba) unpublished by Self. > > > > > > if you need the address you are lost. > > > > > > .b bobji baba > > > > > > > > > Last night.....in my dream....the people also seemed solid.... > > > > Where did they come from? > > > > Where are they now? > > > > > toombaru they came from nowhere..... they are still nowhere.... but in a bubble of a world....filled up with bubbles....filled up with bubbles.....filled up with bubbles.....and so on..... Marc Ps: when will appearing bubble of bobji baba catch this?.... maybe never....because bubble of " bobji baba " ....is just another bubble of a world....filled up with bubbles...... flying around in " your " mind..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001 wrote: > > *** particles, waves, wavicles, all- > > self-inventing, self-actioning, self-dreaming, > > and...self-liberating. > > yowsers, Berkow! ;-) > > > One-handed applause, > > Ken Hey Ken! Yes. Look ma, no hands! -- D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 The object of the lesson is ____________ how to fill in your own blanks with what Is. ..... hence there is no subject and such IS the object subjectively (or subject objectively)*.... Anna * Mind-blowing isn't it? :-) Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Anything Ramesh says or you say or I say also is presented as an object. > > Human relationships and self-identities all have to do with > objectifications. Whether they are violent toward their > objectifications or loving, hating or prizing ... > > If you want to know the truth beyond subject/object distinction ... > *be* now as one is -- beyond any words or ideas about being and > nonbeing ... > > Where can one get this truth if not with no-getting -- if not here, > now, as is? > > -- D. > > no new below > > Nisargadatta , " Grant " <g-ssummerville@> wrote: > > > > What is a human being, really? > > > > Zen master Tung Shan has expressed this basic fact clearly when he > said, " I show the truth to living beings, and then they are no longer > living beings. " The end question then is, " What really am I now? " > Basically all any one is, is an object. And what is this object, as > seen through an electron-scanning microscope with its tremendous > magnification? Even as it exists at present and based on an > intelligent projection, on what the microscope has already revealed, > the body appears as really nothing but emptiness and certainly not a > solid object. Furthermore, deep within this emptiness, the subatomic > physicist tells us, is a nucleus which, being an oscillating field > begins to dissolve, showing further organised fields - protons, > neutrons and even smaller particles, each of which also dissolves into > nothing but the rhythm of the universal pulse. In other words, there > is no solidity at all, either at the most sublime level of the body or > at the heart of the universe. The compact nucleus at the very heart of > the atom, then, is nothing solid at all but rather a dynamic > individual pattern of concentrated energy throbbing and vibrating at > an incredible rate. ... > > > > Conversations with Ramesh S. Balsekar > > > > > > Consciousness Speaks (Ramesh S Balsekar) published by > > Advaita Press > > PO Box 3479 > > Redondo Beach CA 90277 > > USA > > www.advaita.org > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > The object of the lesson is ____________ how to fill in your own > blanks with what Is. > > .... hence there is no subject and such IS the object subjectively > (or subject objectively)*.... > > Anna > > > * Mind-blowing isn't it? :-) which mind is so blown? : object files (anne treisman)? frames (marvin minsky)? memory organization packets (roger schank)? long-term/short-term memory? episodic memory and melodic memory? analogical bridges (various research groups)? mental spaces (gilles fauconnier)? memes (richard dawkins)? the ego, id, superego (sigmund freud)? sense of humor? 'i'? grammar? god's loom? well anyway and anywhich....a nice blowing is always nice. ..b bobji baba >NNB< > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > wrote: > > > > Anything Ramesh says or you say or I say also is presented as an > object. > > > > Human relationships and self-identities all have to do with > > objectifications. Whether they are violent toward their > > objectifications or loving, hating or prizing ... > > > > If you want to know the truth beyond subject/object distinction ... > > *be* now as one is -- beyond any words or ideas about being and > > nonbeing ... > > > > Where can one get this truth if not with no-getting -- if not here, > > now, as is? > > > > -- D. > > > > no new below > > > > Nisargadatta , " Grant " <g-ssummerville@> > wrote: > > > > > > What is a human being, really? > > > > > > Zen master Tung Shan has expressed this basic fact clearly when he > > said, " I show the truth to living beings, and then they are no > longer > > living beings. " The end question then is, " What really am I now? " > > Basically all any one is, is an object. And what is this object, as > > seen through an electron-scanning microscope with its tremendous > > magnification? Even as it exists at present and based on an > > intelligent projection, on what the microscope has already revealed, > > the body appears as really nothing but emptiness and certainly not a > > solid object. Furthermore, deep within this emptiness, the subatomic > > physicist tells us, is a nucleus which, being an oscillating field > > begins to dissolve, showing further organised fields - protons, > > neutrons and even smaller particles, each of which also dissolves > into > > nothing but the rhythm of the universal pulse. In other words, there > > is no solidity at all, either at the most sublime level of the body > or > > at the heart of the universe. The compact nucleus at the very heart > of > > the atom, then, is nothing solid at all but rather a dynamic > > individual pattern of concentrated energy throbbing and vibrating at > > an incredible rate. ... > > > > > > Conversations with Ramesh S. Balsekar > > > > > > > > > Consciousness Speaks (Ramesh S Balsekar) published by > > > Advaita Press > > > PO Box 3479 > > > Redondo Beach CA 90277 > > > USA > > > www.advaita.org > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 " NNB " says it all;-) although I would also insert NNA (no new above) in other words, no-thing gets lost; no-thing remains the same. go figure... wink. Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > The object of the lesson is ____________ how to fill in your own > > blanks with what Is. > > > > .... hence there is no subject and such IS the object subjectively > > (or subject objectively)*.... > > > > Anna > > > > > > * Mind-blowing isn't it? :-) > > > > which mind is so blown? : > > > > object files (anne treisman)? > > frames (marvin minsky)? > > memory organization packets (roger schank)? > > long-term/short-term memory? > > episodic memory and melodic memory? > > analogical bridges (various research groups)? > > mental spaces (gilles fauconnier)? > > memes (richard dawkins)? > > the ego, id, superego (sigmund freud)? > > sense of humor? > > 'i'? > > grammar? > > god's loom? > > well anyway and anywhich....a nice blowing is always nice. > > > .b bobji baba NN > > > >NNB< > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Anything Ramesh says or you say or I say also is presented as an > > object. > > > > > > Human relationships and self-identities all have to do with > > > objectifications. Whether they are violent toward their > > > objectifications or loving, hating or prizing ... > > > > > > If you want to know the truth beyond subject/object distinction ... > > > *be* now as one is -- beyond any words or ideas about being and > > > nonbeing ... > > > > > > Where can one get this truth if not with no-getting -- if not here, > > > now, as is? > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > no new below > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Grant " <g-ssummerville@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > What is a human being, really? > > > > > > > > Zen master Tung Shan has expressed this basic fact clearly when he > > > said, " I show the truth to living beings, and then they are no > > longer > > > living beings. " The end question then is, " What really am I now? " > > > Basically all any one is, is an object. And what is this object, as > > > seen through an electron-scanning microscope with its tremendous > > > magnification? Even as it exists at present and based on an > > > intelligent projection, on what the microscope has already revealed, > > > the body appears as really nothing but emptiness and certainly not a > > > solid object. Furthermore, deep within this emptiness, the subatomic > > > physicist tells us, is a nucleus which, being an oscillating field > > > begins to dissolve, showing further organised fields - protons, > > > neutrons and even smaller particles, each of which also dissolves > > into > > > nothing but the rhythm of the universal pulse. In other words, there > > > is no solidity at all, either at the most sublime level of the body > > or > > > at the heart of the universe. The compact nucleus at the very heart > > of > > > the atom, then, is nothing solid at all but rather a dynamic > > > individual pattern of concentrated energy throbbing and vibrating at > > > an incredible rate. ... > > > > > > > > Conversations with Ramesh S. Balsekar > > > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness Speaks (Ramesh S Balsekar) published by > > > > Advaita Press > > > > PO Box 3479 > > > > Redondo Beach CA 90277 > > > > USA > > > > www.advaita.org > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > " NNB " says it all;-) > > although I would also insert NNA (no new above) > > in other words, no-thing gets lost; no-thing remains the same. > > go figure... > > wink. all those changes need time. time is a very deep space. it's here so that all those changes don't happen all at once. same old same old... it never changes! but the sameness is needed for the changes to occur within. and the sameness is a changeling. you got to go with it and get used to the now. on with the show! ..b b.b. > NN A OR B OR IB (in between) < > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > > > The object of the lesson is ____________ how to fill in your own > > > blanks with what Is. > > > > > > .... hence there is no subject and such IS the object > subjectively > > > (or subject objectively)*.... > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > * Mind-blowing isn't it? :-) > > > > > > > > which mind is so blown? : > > > > > > > > object files (anne treisman)? > > > > frames (marvin minsky)? > > > > memory organization packets (roger schank)? > > > > long-term/short-term memory? > > > > episodic memory and melodic memory? > > > > analogical bridges (various research groups)? > > > > mental spaces (gilles fauconnier)? > > > > memes (richard dawkins)? > > > > the ego, id, superego (sigmund freud)? > > > > sense of humor? > > > > 'i'? > > > > grammar? > > > > god's loom? > > > > well anyway and anywhich....a nice blowing is always nice. > > > > > > .b bobji baba > > > NN > > > > > > > >NNB< > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Anything Ramesh says or you say or I say also is presented as > an > > > object. > > > > > > > > Human relationships and self-identities all have to do with > > > > objectifications. Whether they are violent toward their > > > > objectifications or loving, hating or prizing ... > > > > > > > > If you want to know the truth beyond subject/object > distinction ... > > > > *be* now as one is -- beyond any words or ideas about being and > > > > nonbeing ... > > > > > > > > Where can one get this truth if not with no-getting -- if not > here, > > > > now, as is? > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > no new below > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Grant " <g-ssummerville@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > What is a human being, really? > > > > > > > > > > Zen master Tung Shan has expressed this basic fact clearly > when he > > > > said, " I show the truth to living beings, and then they are no > > > longer > > > > living beings. " The end question then is, " What really am I > now? " > > > > Basically all any one is, is an object. And what is this > object, as > > > > seen through an electron-scanning microscope with its tremendous > > > > magnification? Even as it exists at present and based on an > > > > intelligent projection, on what the microscope has already > revealed, > > > > the body appears as really nothing but emptiness and certainly > not a > > > > solid object. Furthermore, deep within this emptiness, the > subatomic > > > > physicist tells us, is a nucleus which, being an oscillating > field > > > > begins to dissolve, showing further organised fields - protons, > > > > neutrons and even smaller particles, each of which also > dissolves > > > into > > > > nothing but the rhythm of the universal pulse. In other words, > there > > > > is no solidity at all, either at the most sublime level of the > body > > > or > > > > at the heart of the universe. The compact nucleus at the very > heart > > > of > > > > the atom, then, is nothing solid at all but rather a dynamic > > > > individual pattern of concentrated energy throbbing and > vibrating at > > > > an incredible rate. ... > > > > > > > > > > Conversations with Ramesh S. Balsekar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness Speaks (Ramesh S Balsekar) published by > > > > > Advaita Press > > > > > PO Box 3479 > > > > > Redondo Beach CA 90277 > > > > > USA > > > > > www.advaita.org > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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