Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 from Mercedes D'Acosta's visit to Ramana Maharshi: " Question: Is it possible to sin? Bhagavan: Having a body, which creates illusion, is the only sin, and the body is our only hell. But it is right that we observe moral laws. The discussion of sin is too difficult for a few lines. Queston: Does one who has realized the Self lose the sense of " I " ? Bhagavan: Absolutely. Question: Then to you there is no difference between yourself and myself, that man over there, my servant, are all the same? Bhagavan: All are the same, including those monkeys. Question: But the monkeys are not people. Are they not different? Bhagavan: They are exactly the same as people. All creatures are the same in One Consciousness. Question: Do we lose our individuality when we merge into the Self? Bhagavan: There is no individuality in the Self. The Self is One--Supreme. Question: Then individuality and identity are lost? Bhagavan: You don't retain them in deep sleep, do you? Question: But we retain them from one birth to another, don't we? Bhagavan: Oh, yes. The " I " thought [the ego] will recur again, only each time you identify with it a different body and different surroundings around the body. The effects of past acts [Karma] will continue to control the new body just as they did the old one. It is Karma that has given you this particular body and placed it in a particular family, race, sex, surroundings and so forth. Bhagavan added, " These questions are good, but tell de Acosta [he always called me de Acosta] she must not become too intellectual about these things. It is better just to meditate and have no thought. Let the mind rest quietly on the Self in the cave of the Spiritual Heart. Soon this will become natural and then there will be no need for questions. Do not imagine that this means being inactive. Silence is the only real activity. " Then Guy added, " Bhagavan says to tell you that he sends you his blessings. " This message greatly comforted me. " regards, Era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <mi_nok wrote: > > from Mercedes D'Acosta's visit to Ramana Maharshi: > > " Question: Is it possible to sin? > > Bhagavan: Having a body, which creates illusion, is the only sin, and > the body is our only hell. But it is right that we observe moral laws. > The discussion of sin is too difficult for a few lines. > > Queston: Does one who has realized the Self lose the sense of " I " ? > > Bhagavan: Absolutely. > > Question: Then to you there is no difference between yourself and > myself, that man over there, my servant, are all the same? > > Bhagavan: All are the same, including those monkeys. > > Question: But the monkeys are not people. Are they not different? > > Bhagavan: They are exactly the same as people. All creatures are the > same in One Consciousness. > > Question: Do we lose our individuality when we merge into the Self? > > Bhagavan: There is no individuality in the Self. The Self is One--Supreme. > > Question: Then individuality and identity are lost? > > Bhagavan: You don't retain them in deep sleep, do you? > > Question: But we retain them from one birth to another, don't we? > > Bhagavan: Oh, yes. The " I " thought [the ego] will recur again, only > each time you identify with it a different body and different > surroundings around the body. The effects of past acts [Karma] will > continue to control the new body just as they did the old one. It is > Karma that has given you this particular body and placed it in a > particular family, race, sex, surroundings and so forth. > > Bhagavan added, " These questions are good, but tell de Acosta [he > always called me de Acosta] she must not become too intellectual about > these things. It is better just to meditate and have no thought. Let > the mind rest quietly on the Self in the cave of the Spiritual Heart. > Soon this will become natural and then there will be no need for > questions. Do not imagine that this means being inactive. Silence is > the only real activity. " Then Guy added, " Bhagavan says to tell you > that he sends you his blessings. " > > This message greatly comforted me. " > > regards, Era > Comfort is what mind is programmed to seek...and will lead the searcher ever deeper into the hall of mirrors. In the work of awareness....comfort in not the compass by which one sets their sails......It is nausea.....vertigo.....and the terror of loosing everything......It is standing......naked and vulnerable.......on the lip of insanity....... that point to the door out of the dream. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > > > from Mercedes D'Acosta's visit to Ramana Maharshi: > > > > " Question: Is it possible to sin? > > > > Bhagavan: Having a body, which creates illusion, is the only sin, and > > the body is our only hell. But it is right that we observe moral laws. > > The discussion of sin is too difficult for a few lines. > > > > Queston: Does one who has realized the Self lose the sense of " I " ? > > > > Bhagavan: Absolutely. > > > > Question: Then to you there is no difference between yourself and > > myself, that man over there, my servant, are all the same? > > > > Bhagavan: All are the same, including those monkeys. > > > > Question: But the monkeys are not people. Are they not different? > > > > Bhagavan: They are exactly the same as people. All creatures are the > > same in One Consciousness. > > > > Question: Do we lose our individuality when we merge into the Self? > > > > Bhagavan: There is no individuality in the Self. The Self is > One--Supreme. > > > > Question: Then individuality and identity are lost? > > > > Bhagavan: You don't retain them in deep sleep, do you? > > > > Question: But we retain them from one birth to another, don't we? > > > > Bhagavan: Oh, yes. The " I " thought [the ego] will recur again, only > > each time you identify with it a different body and different > > surroundings around the body. The effects of past acts [Karma] will > > continue to control the new body just as they did the old one. It is > > Karma that has given you this particular body and placed it in a > > particular family, race, sex, surroundings and so forth. > > > > Bhagavan added, " These questions are good, but tell de Acosta [he > > always called me de Acosta] she must not become too intellectual about > > these things. It is better just to meditate and have no thought. Let > > the mind rest quietly on the Self in the cave of the Spiritual Heart. > > Soon this will become natural and then there will be no need for > > questions. Do not imagine that this means being inactive. Silence is > > the only real activity. " Then Guy added, " Bhagavan says to tell you > > that he sends you his blessings. " > > > > This message greatly comforted me. " > > > > regards, Era > > Comfort is what mind is programmed to seek...and will lead the > searcher ever deeper into the hall of mirrors. > > > In the work of awareness....comfort in not the compass by which one > sets their sails......It is nausea.....vertigo.....and the terror of > loosing everything......It is standing......naked and > vulnerable.......on the lip of insanity....... that point to the door > out of the dream. > > > > > toombaru Comfort....nausea.....vertigo.....the terror of loosing everything......standing......naked and vulnerable.......on the lip of insanity.............what's different in any of the above? what 'separates' one 'aspect' fropm the 'other'? are you saying there are different 'things'? 'activities'? 'feelings'? 'thoughts'...dare i say 'people'?. you really are dreaming aren't you? ..b b.b, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > > > > > from Mercedes D'Acosta's visit to Ramana Maharshi: > > > > > > " Question: Is it possible to sin? > > > > > > Bhagavan: Having a body, which creates illusion, is the only sin, and > > > the body is our only hell. But it is right that we observe moral laws. > > > The discussion of sin is too difficult for a few lines. > > > > > > Queston: Does one who has realized the Self lose the sense of " I " ? > > > > > > > Bhagavan: Absolutely. > > > > > > Question: Then to you there is no difference between yourself and > > > myself, that man over there, my servant, are all the same? > > > > > > Bhagavan: All are the same, including those monkeys. > > > > > > Question: But the monkeys are not people. Are they not different? > > > > > > Bhagavan: They are exactly the same as people. All creatures are the > > > same in One Consciousness. > > > > > > Question: Do we lose our individuality when we merge into the Self? > > > > > > Bhagavan: There is no individuality in the Self. The Self is > > One--Supreme. > > > > > > Question: Then individuality and identity are lost? > > > > > > Bhagavan: You don't retain them in deep sleep, do you? > > > > > > Question: But we retain them from one birth to another, don't we? > > > > > > Bhagavan: Oh, yes. The " I " thought [the ego] will recur again, only > > > each time you identify with it a different body and different > > > surroundings around the body. The effects of past acts [Karma] will > > > continue to control the new body just as they did the old one. It is > > > Karma that has given you this particular body and placed it in a > > > particular family, race, sex, surroundings and so forth. > > > > > > Bhagavan added, " These questions are good, but tell de Acosta [he > > > always called me de Acosta] she must not become too intellectual about > > > these things. It is better just to meditate and have no thought. Let > > > the mind rest quietly on the Self in the cave of the Spiritual Heart. > > > Soon this will become natural and then there will be no need for > > > questions. Do not imagine that this means being inactive. Silence is > > > the only real activity. " Then Guy added, " Bhagavan says to tell you > > > that he sends you his blessings. " > > > > > > This message greatly comforted me. " > > > > > > regards, Era > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comfort is what mind is programmed to seek...and will lead the > > searcher ever deeper into the hall of mirrors. > > > > > > In the work of awareness....comfort in not the compass by which one > > sets their sails......It is nausea.....vertigo.....and the terror of > > loosing everything......It is standing......naked and > > vulnerable.......on the lip of insanity....... that point to the door > > out of the dream. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > Comfort....nausea.....vertigo.....the terror of loosing > > everything......standing......naked and vulnerable.......on the lip of > > insanity.............what's different in any of the above? what > > 'separates' one 'aspect' fropm the 'other'? are you saying there are > > different 'things'? 'activities'? 'feelings'? 'thoughts'...dare i say > > 'people'?. > > you really are dreaming aren't you? > > .b b.b, and what leads 'you' to the notion that monkeys are somehow inferior to what you yourself are? conceit? whose? why? where? when? monkeys don't seem so confused on these issues. they know how to live. they could give a rat's ass about sounding 'wise'. they could care less about 'figuring it out'. dude...they are there and you are not. s'cuse me...i need a banana. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > > > from Mercedes D'Acosta's visit to Ramana Maharshi: > > > > " Question: Is it possible to sin? > > > > Bhagavan: Having a body, which creates illusion, is the only sin, and > > the body is our only hell. But it is right that we observe moral laws. > > The discussion of sin is too difficult for a few lines. > > > > Queston: Does one who has realized the Self lose the sense of " I " ? > > > > Bhagavan: Absolutely. > > > > Question: Then to you there is no difference between yourself and > > myself, that man over there, my servant, are all the same? > > > > Bhagavan: All are the same, including those monkeys. > > > > Question: But the monkeys are not people. Are they not different? > > > > Bhagavan: They are exactly the same as people. All creatures are the > > same in One Consciousness. > > > > Question: Do we lose our individuality when we merge into the Self? > > > > Bhagavan: There is no individuality in the Self. The Self is > One--Supreme. > > > > Question: Then individuality and identity are lost? > > > > Bhagavan: You don't retain them in deep sleep, do you? > > > > Question: But we retain them from one birth to another, don't we? > > > > Bhagavan: Oh, yes. The " I " thought [the ego] will recur again, only > > each time you identify with it a different body and different > > surroundings around the body. The effects of past acts [Karma] will > > continue to control the new body just as they did the old one. It is > > Karma that has given you this particular body and placed it in a > > particular family, race, sex, surroundings and so forth. > > > > Bhagavan added, " These questions are good, but tell de Acosta [he > > always called me de Acosta] she must not become too intellectual about > > these things. It is better just to meditate and have no thought. Let > > the mind rest quietly on the Self in the cave of the Spiritual Heart. > > Soon this will become natural and then there will be no need for > > questions. Do not imagine that this means being inactive. Silence is > > the only real activity. " Then Guy added, " Bhagavan says to tell you > > that he sends you his blessings. " > > > > This message greatly comforted me. " > > > > regards, Era > > Comfort is what mind is programmed to seek...and will lead the > searcher ever deeper into the hall of mirrors. > > > In the work of awareness....comfort in not the compass by which one > sets their sails......It is nausea.....vertigo.....and the terror of > loosing everything......It is standing......naked and > vulnerable.......on the lip of insanity....... that point to the door > out of the dream. > > > > > toombaru Magnificent! now don't you feel 'better'? ..b bobji b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > > > > > from Mercedes D'Acosta's visit to Ramana Maharshi: > > > > > > " Question: Is it possible to sin? > > > > > > Bhagavan: Having a body, which creates illusion, is the only sin, and > > > the body is our only hell. But it is right that we observe moral laws. > > > The discussion of sin is too difficult for a few lines. > > > > > > Queston: Does one who has realized the Self lose the sense of " I " ? > > > > > > Bhagavan: Absolutely. > > > > > > Question: Then to you there is no difference between yourself and > > > myself, that man over there, my servant, are all the same? > > > > > > Bhagavan: All are the same, including those monkeys. > > > > > > Question: But the monkeys are not people. Are they not different? > > > > > > Bhagavan: They are exactly the same as people. All creatures are the > > > same in One Consciousness. > > > > > > Question: Do we lose our individuality when we merge into the Self? > > > > > > Bhagavan: There is no individuality in the Self. The Self is > > One--Supreme. > > > > > > Question: Then individuality and identity are lost? > > > > > > Bhagavan: You don't retain them in deep sleep, do you? > > > > > > Question: But we retain them from one birth to another, don't we? > > > > > > Bhagavan: Oh, yes. The " I " thought [the ego] will recur again, only > > > each time you identify with it a different body and different > > > surroundings around the body. The effects of past acts [Karma] will > > > continue to control the new body just as they did the old one. It is > > > Karma that has given you this particular body and placed it in a > > > particular family, race, sex, surroundings and so forth. > > > > > > Bhagavan added, " These questions are good, but tell de Acosta [he > > > always called me de Acosta] she must not become too intellectual about > > > these things. It is better just to meditate and have no thought. Let > > > the mind rest quietly on the Self in the cave of the Spiritual Heart. > > > Soon this will become natural and then there will be no need for > > > questions. Do not imagine that this means being inactive. Silence is > > > the only real activity. " Then Guy added, " Bhagavan says to tell you > > > that he sends you his blessings. " > > > > > > This message greatly comforted me. " > > > > > > regards, Era > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comfort is what mind is programmed to seek...and will lead the > > searcher ever deeper into the hall of mirrors. > > > > > > In the work of awareness....comfort in not the compass by which one > > sets their sails......It is nausea.....vertigo.....and the terror of > > loosing everything......It is standing......naked and > > vulnerable.......on the lip of insanity....... that point to the door > > out of the dream. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > Magnificent! > > now don't you feel 'better'? > > .b bobji b. > Electrifying......2449 messages.......and counting! Get it of your chest lttl mn. Be Happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <mi_nok@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > from Mercedes D'Acosta's visit to Ramana Maharshi: > > > > > > > > " Question: Is it possible to sin? > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: Having a body, which creates illusion, is the only sin, > and > > > > the body is our only hell. But it is right that we observe moral > laws. > > > > The discussion of sin is too difficult for a few lines. > > > > > > > > Queston: Does one who has realized the Self lose the sense > of " I " ? > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: Absolutely. > > > > > > > > Question: Then to you there is no difference between yourself and > > > > myself, that man over there, my servant, are all the same? > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: All are the same, including those monkeys. > > > > > > > > Question: But the monkeys are not people. Are they not different? > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: They are exactly the same as people. All creatures are > the > > > > same in One Consciousness. > > > > > > > > Question: Do we lose our individuality when we merge into the > Self? > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: There is no individuality in the Self. The Self is > > > One--Supreme. > > > > > > > > Question: Then individuality and identity are lost? > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: You don't retain them in deep sleep, do you? > > > > > > > > Question: But we retain them from one birth to another, don't we? > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: Oh, yes. The " I " thought [the ego] will recur again, > only > > > > each time you identify with it a different body and different > > > > surroundings around the body. The effects of past acts [Karma] > will > > > > continue to control the new body just as they did the old one. It is > > > > Karma that has given you this particular body and placed it in a > > > > particular family, race, sex, surroundings and so forth. > > > > > > > > Bhagavan added, " These questions are good, but tell de Acosta > [he > > > > always called me de Acosta] she must not become too intellectual > about > > > > these things. It is better just to meditate and have no thought. Let > > > > the mind rest quietly on the Self in the cave of the Spiritual Heart. > > > > Soon this will become natural and then there will be no need for > > > > questions. Do not imagine that this means being inactive. Silence > is > > > > the only real activity. " Then Guy added, " Bhagavan says to tell you > > > > that he sends you his blessings. " > > > > > > > > This message greatly comforted me. " > > > > > > > > regards, Era > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comfort is what mind is programmed to seek...and will lead the > > > searcher ever deeper into the hall of mirrors. > > > > > > > > > In the work of awareness....comfort in not the compass by which > one > > > sets their sails......It is nausea.....vertigo.....and the terror of > > > loosing everything......It is standing......naked and > > > vulnerable.......on the lip of insanity....... that point to the door > > > out of the dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Magnificent! > > > > now don't you feel 'better'? > > > > .b bobji b. > > > > Electrifying......2449 messages.......and counting! > > Get it of your chest lttl mn. > > Be Happy. wow!''your a good counter kid. do you enjoy playing peek-a-boo with a sandwich that mom makes? it makes me very happy to laugh at you again. welcome home from the author of the counted posts. do you have a swell bottle cap collection too? how many little bozo? ha hah. ha chhh..heheheheeeeeee.......oh god i'm glad to hear from you. ..b b.b. p.s. no need to stay in the background with your counting kid..we would all enjoy more frequent displays of your childish idea of what is important. heeeeeeeeeeee! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > > > > > > > from Mercedes D'Acosta's visit to Ramana Maharshi: > > > > > > > > " Question: Is it possible to sin? > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: Having a body, which creates illusion, is the only > sin, and > > > > the body is our only hell. But it is right that we observe moral > laws. > > > > The discussion of sin is too difficult for a few lines. > > > > > > > > Queston: Does one who has realized the Self lose the sense of " I " ? > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: Absolutely. > > > > > > > > Question: Then to you there is no difference between yourself and > > > > myself, that man over there, my servant, are all the same? > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: All are the same, including those monkeys. > > > > > > > > Question: But the monkeys are not people. Are they not different? > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: They are exactly the same as people. All creatures are the > > > > same in One Consciousness. > > > > > > > > Question: Do we lose our individuality when we merge into the Self? > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: There is no individuality in the Self. The Self is > > > One--Supreme. > > > > > > > > Question: Then individuality and identity are lost? > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: You don't retain them in deep sleep, do you? > > > > > > > > Question: But we retain them from one birth to another, don't we? > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: Oh, yes. The " I " thought [the ego] will recur again, only > > > > each time you identify with it a different body and different > > > > surroundings around the body. The effects of past acts [Karma] will > > > > continue to control the new body just as they did the old one. It is > > > > Karma that has given you this particular body and placed it in a > > > > particular family, race, sex, surroundings and so forth. > > > > > > > > Bhagavan added, " These questions are good, but tell de Acosta [he > > > > always called me de Acosta] she must not become too intellectual > about > > > > these things. It is better just to meditate and have no thought. Let > > > > the mind rest quietly on the Self in the cave of the Spiritual > Heart. > > > > Soon this will become natural and then there will be no need for > > > > questions. Do not imagine that this means being inactive. Silence is > > > > the only real activity. " Then Guy added, " Bhagavan says to tell you > > > > that he sends you his blessings. " > > > > > > > > This message greatly comforted me. " > > > > > > > > regards, Era > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comfort is what mind is programmed to seek...and will lead the > > > searcher ever deeper into the hall of mirrors. > > > > > > > > > In the work of awareness....comfort in not the compass by which one > > > sets their sails......It is nausea.....vertigo.....and the terror of > > > loosing everything......It is standing......naked and > > > vulnerable.......on the lip of insanity....... that point to the door > > > out of the dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Comfort....nausea.....vertigo.....the terror of loosing > > > > everything......standing......naked and vulnerable.......on the lip of > > > > insanity.............what's different in any of the above? what > > > > 'separates' one 'aspect' fropm the 'other'? are you saying there are > > > > different 'things'? 'activities'? 'feelings'? 'thoughts'...dare i say > > > > 'people'?. > > > > you really are dreaming aren't you? > > > > .b b.b, > > > and what leads 'you' to the notion that monkeys are somehow inferior > > to what you yourself are? > > conceit? > > whose? > > why? > > where? > > when? > > monkeys don't seem so confused on these issues. > > they know how to live. > > they could give a rat's ass about sounding 'wise'. > > they could care less about 'figuring it out'. > > dude...they are there and you are not. > > s'cuse me...i need a banana. > > > .b b.b. *** No, Bob--don't. It was bananas, not apples, long ago in the G of E. Bananas are responsible for all the attempts to be 'one-up.' ;-) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > from Mercedes D'Acosta's visit to Ramana Maharshi: > > > > > > > > > > " Question: Is it possible to sin? > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: Having a body, which creates illusion, is the only > > sin, and > > > > > the body is our only hell. But it is right that we observe moral > > laws. > > > > > The discussion of sin is too difficult for a few lines. > > > > > > > > > > Queston: Does one who has realized the Self lose the sense of > " I " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: Absolutely. > > > > > > > > > > Question: Then to you there is no difference between yourself and > > > > > myself, that man over there, my servant, are all the same? > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: All are the same, including those monkeys. > > > > > > > > > > Question: But the monkeys are not people. Are they not different? > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: They are exactly the same as people. All creatures > are the > > > > > same in One Consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > Question: Do we lose our individuality when we merge into the > Self? > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: There is no individuality in the Self. The Self is > > > > One--Supreme. > > > > > > > > > > Question: Then individuality and identity are lost? > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: You don't retain them in deep sleep, do you? > > > > > > > > > > Question: But we retain them from one birth to another, don't we? > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: Oh, yes. The " I " thought [the ego] will recur again, > only > > > > > each time you identify with it a different body and different > > > > > surroundings around the body. The effects of past acts [Karma] > will > > > > > continue to control the new body just as they did the old one. > It is > > > > > Karma that has given you this particular body and placed it in a > > > > > particular family, race, sex, surroundings and so forth. > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavan added, " These questions are good, but tell de Acosta [he > > > > > always called me de Acosta] she must not become too intellectual > > about > > > > > these things. It is better just to meditate and have no > thought. Let > > > > > the mind rest quietly on the Self in the cave of the Spiritual > > Heart. > > > > > Soon this will become natural and then there will be no need for > > > > > questions. Do not imagine that this means being inactive. > Silence is > > > > > the only real activity. " Then Guy added, " Bhagavan says to > tell you > > > > > that he sends you his blessings. " > > > > > > > > > > This message greatly comforted me. " > > > > > > > > > > regards, Era > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comfort is what mind is programmed to seek...and will lead the > > > > searcher ever deeper into the hall of mirrors. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the work of awareness....comfort in not the compass by which one > > > > sets their sails......It is nausea.....vertigo.....and the > terror of > > > > loosing everything......It is standing......naked and > > > > vulnerable.......on the lip of insanity....... that point to the > door > > > > out of the dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > Comfort....nausea.....vertigo.....the terror of loosing > > > > > > everything......standing......naked and vulnerable.......on the > lip of > > > > > > insanity.............what's different in any of the above? what > > > > > > 'separates' one 'aspect' fropm the 'other'? are you saying there are > > > > > > different 'things'? 'activities'? 'feelings'? 'thoughts'...dare i say > > > > > > 'people'?. > > > > > > you really are dreaming aren't you? > > > > > > .b b.b, > > > > > > and what leads 'you' to the notion that monkeys are somehow inferior > > > > to what you yourself are? > > > > conceit? > > > > whose? > > > > why? > > > > where? > > > > when? > > > > monkeys don't seem so confused on these issues. > > > > they know how to live. > > > > they could give a rat's ass about sounding 'wise'. > > > > they could care less about 'figuring it out'. > > > > dude...they are there and you are not. > > > > s'cuse me...i need a banana. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > *** No, Bob--don't. It was bananas, not apples, long ago in > the G of E. > > Bananas are responsible for all the attempts to > be 'one-up.' ;-) :-) well kenny-ji...seeing how you're always several down all the time, i'd suggest you leave off the pablum pie here and now...here on earth. let the GoE worry about itself you little devil. and also a little more umph in the sax playing would be in order..if you want a different venue then elevators. pretty smooth and schmaltzy tunes..but kenny-ji....it's just dumb shit your playin'...boring. over and over....and over and over and over.... well..even though your repertoire sucks..get a lip anyway. maybe then you could say something half way intelligent..as it is you can only be yourself and that's a tragedy. see'ya romeo, ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > from Mercedes D'Acosta's visit to Ramana Maharshi: > > > > > > > > > > > > " Question: Is it possible to sin? > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: Having a body, which creates illusion, is the only > > > sin, and > > > > > > the body is our only hell. But it is right that we observe moral > > > laws. > > > > > > The discussion of sin is too difficult for a few lines. > > > > > > > > > > > > Queston: Does one who has realized the Self lose the sense of > > " I " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: Absolutely. > > > > > > > > > > > > Question: Then to you there is no difference between > yourself and > > > > > > myself, that man over there, my servant, are all the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: All are the same, including those monkeys. > > > > > > > > > > > > Question: But the monkeys are not people. Are they not > different? > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: They are exactly the same as people. All creatures > > are the > > > > > > same in One Consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > > > Question: Do we lose our individuality when we merge into the > > Self? > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: There is no individuality in the Self. The Self is > > > > > One--Supreme. > > > > > > > > > > > > Question: Then individuality and identity are lost? > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: You don't retain them in deep sleep, do you? > > > > > > > > > > > > Question: But we retain them from one birth to another, > don't we? > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: Oh, yes. The " I " thought [the ego] will recur again, > > only > > > > > > each time you identify with it a different body and different > > > > > > surroundings around the body. The effects of past acts [Karma] > > will > > > > > > continue to control the new body just as they did the old one. > > It is > > > > > > Karma that has given you this particular body and placed it in a > > > > > > particular family, race, sex, surroundings and so forth. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavan added, " These questions are good, but tell de > Acosta [he > > > > > > always called me de Acosta] she must not become too intellectual > > > about > > > > > > these things. It is better just to meditate and have no > > thought. Let > > > > > > the mind rest quietly on the Self in the cave of the Spiritual > > > Heart. > > > > > > Soon this will become natural and then there will be no need for > > > > > > questions. Do not imagine that this means being inactive. > > Silence is > > > > > > the only real activity. " Then Guy added, " Bhagavan says to > > tell you > > > > > > that he sends you his blessings. " > > > > > > > > > > > > This message greatly comforted me. " > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, Era > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comfort is what mind is programmed to seek...and will lead the > > > > > searcher ever deeper into the hall of mirrors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the work of awareness....comfort in not the compass by > which one > > > > > sets their sails......It is nausea.....vertigo.....and the > > terror of > > > > > loosing everything......It is standing......naked and > > > > > vulnerable.......on the lip of insanity....... that point to the > > door > > > > > out of the dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > Comfort....nausea.....vertigo.....the terror of loosing > > > > > > > > everything......standing......naked and vulnerable.......on the > > lip of > > > > > > > > insanity.............what's different in any of the above? what > > > > > > > > 'separates' one 'aspect' fropm the 'other'? are you saying there > are > > > > > > > > different 'things'? 'activities'? 'feelings'? 'thoughts'...dare > i say > > > > > > > > 'people'?. > > > > > > > > you really are dreaming aren't you? > > > > > > > > .b b.b, > > > > > > > > > and what leads 'you' to the notion that monkeys are somehow inferior > > > > > > to what you yourself are? > > > > > > conceit? > > > > > > whose? > > > > > > why? > > > > > > where? > > > > > > when? > > > > > > monkeys don't seem so confused on these issues. > > > > > > they know how to live. > > > > > > they could give a rat's ass about sounding 'wise'. > > > > > > they could care less about 'figuring it out'. > > > > > > dude...they are there and you are not. > > > > > > s'cuse me...i need a banana. > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > *** No, Bob--don't. It was bananas, not apples, long ago in > > the G of E. > > > > Bananas are responsible for all the attempts to > > be 'one-up.' ;-) > > > > > :-) > > well kenny-ji...seeing how you're always several down all the time, > i'd suggest you leave off the pablum pie here and now...here on earth. > let the GoE worry about itself you little devil. > > and also a little more umph in the sax playing would be in order..if > you want a different venue then elevators. pretty smooth and schmaltzy > tunes..but kenny-ji....it's just dumb shit your playin'...boring. *** He's actually quite a good player, aside from his bank balance. I like Jan Garbarek and Joshua Redman, more my style. > > over and over....and over and over and over.... *** Nah, never before, never hence.....exactly. > > well..even though your repertoire sucks..get a lip anyway. maybe then > you could say something half way intelligent..as it is you can only be > yourself and that's a tragedy. > > see'ya romeo, *** Well, that would be nice....if you could get out of your head, and off your trip. ;-) > > .b b.b. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <mi_nok@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Mercedes D'Acosta's visit to Ramana Maharshi: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Question: Is it possible to sin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: Having a body, which creates illusion, is the only > > > > sin, and > > > > > > > the body is our only hell. But it is right that we observe > moral > > > > laws. > > > > > > > The discussion of sin is too difficult for a few lines. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Queston: Does one who has realized the Self lose the sense of > > > " I " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: Absolutely. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Question: Then to you there is no difference between > > yourself and > > > > > > > myself, that man over there, my servant, are all the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: All are the same, including those monkeys. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Question: But the monkeys are not people. Are they not > > different? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: They are exactly the same as people. All creatures > > > are the > > > > > > > same in One Consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Question: Do we lose our individuality when we merge into the > > > Self? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: There is no individuality in the Self. The Self is > > > > > > One--Supreme. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Question: Then individuality and identity are lost? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: You don't retain them in deep sleep, do you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Question: But we retain them from one birth to another, > > don't we? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: Oh, yes. The " I " thought [the ego] will recur again, > > > only > > > > > > > each time you identify with it a different body and different > > > > > > > surroundings around the body. The effects of past acts [Karma] > > > will > > > > > > > continue to control the new body just as they did the old one. > > > It is > > > > > > > Karma that has given you this particular body and placed > it in a > > > > > > > particular family, race, sex, surroundings and so forth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavan added, " These questions are good, but tell de > > Acosta [he > > > > > > > always called me de Acosta] she must not become too > intellectual > > > > about > > > > > > > these things. It is better just to meditate and have no > > > thought. Let > > > > > > > the mind rest quietly on the Self in the cave of the Spiritual > > > > Heart. > > > > > > > Soon this will become natural and then there will be no > need for > > > > > > > questions. Do not imagine that this means being inactive. > > > Silence is > > > > > > > the only real activity. " Then Guy added, " Bhagavan says to > > > tell you > > > > > > > that he sends you his blessings. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This message greatly comforted me. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, Era > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comfort is what mind is programmed to seek...and will lead the > > > > > > searcher ever deeper into the hall of mirrors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the work of awareness....comfort in not the compass by > > which one > > > > > > sets their sails......It is nausea.....vertigo.....and the > > > terror of > > > > > > loosing everything......It is standing......naked and > > > > > > vulnerable.......on the lip of insanity....... that point to the > > > door > > > > > > out of the dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comfort....nausea.....vertigo.....the terror of loosing > > > > > > > > > > everything......standing......naked and vulnerable.......on the > > > lip of > > > > > > > > > > insanity.............what's different in any of the above? what > > > > > > > > > > 'separates' one 'aspect' fropm the 'other'? are you saying there > > are > > > > > > > > > > different 'things'? 'activities'? 'feelings'? 'thoughts'...dare > > i say > > > > > > > > > > 'people'?. > > > > > > > > > > you really are dreaming aren't you? > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b, > > > > > > > > > > > > and what leads 'you' to the notion that monkeys are somehow > inferior > > > > > > > > to what you yourself are? > > > > > > > > conceit? > > > > > > > > whose? > > > > > > > > why? > > > > > > > > where? > > > > > > > > when? > > > > > > > > monkeys don't seem so confused on these issues. > > > > > > > > they know how to live. > > > > > > > > they could give a rat's ass about sounding 'wise'. > > > > > > > > they could care less about 'figuring it out'. > > > > > > > > dude...they are there and you are not. > > > > > > > > s'cuse me...i need a banana. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > *** No, Bob--don't. It was bananas, not apples, long ago in > > > the G of E. > > > > > > Bananas are responsible for all the attempts to > > > be 'one-up.' ;-) > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > well kenny-ji...seeing how you're always several down all the time, > > i'd suggest you leave off the pablum pie here and now...here on earth. > > let the GoE worry about itself you little devil. > > > > and also a little more umph in the sax playing would be in order..if > > you want a different venue then elevators. pretty smooth and schmaltzy > > tunes..but kenny-ji....it's just dumb shit your playin'...boring. > > *** He's actually quite a good player, aside from his bank balance. > I like Jan Garbarek and Joshua Redman, more my style. > > > > over and over....and over and over and over.... > > *** Nah, never before, never hence.....exactly. > > > > well..even though your repertoire sucks..get a lip anyway. maybe then > > you could say something half way intelligent..as it is you can only be > > yourself and that's a tragedy. > > > > see'ya romeo, > > *** Well, that would be nice....if you could get out of your > head, and off your trip. ;-) kenny...you're going backwards...not even standing still. going 'on' a 'trip' would do you good. it would get 'you' out of everyone's head. tough for you that there's nothing inside that head on you. god bless and stuff, ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <mi_nok@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Mercedes D'Acosta's visit to Ramana Maharshi: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Question: Is it possible to sin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: Having a body, which creates illusion, is the only > > > > > sin, and > > > > > > > > the body is our only hell. But it is right that we observe > > moral > > > > > laws. > > > > > > > > The discussion of sin is too difficult for a few lines. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Queston: Does one who has realized the Self lose the > sense of > > > > " I " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: Absolutely. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Question: Then to you there is no difference between > > > yourself and > > > > > > > > myself, that man over there, my servant, are all the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: All are the same, including those monkeys. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Question: But the monkeys are not people. Are they not > > > different? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: They are exactly the same as people. All creatures > > > > are the > > > > > > > > same in One Consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Question: Do we lose our individuality when we merge > into the > > > > Self? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: There is no individuality in the Self. The Self is > > > > > > > One--Supreme. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Question: Then individuality and identity are lost? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: You don't retain them in deep sleep, do you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Question: But we retain them from one birth to another, > > > don't we? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavan: Oh, yes. The " I " thought [the ego] will recur > again, > > > > only > > > > > > > > each time you identify with it a different body and > different > > > > > > > > surroundings around the body. The effects of past acts > [Karma] > > > > will > > > > > > > > continue to control the new body just as they did the > old one. > > > > It is > > > > > > > > Karma that has given you this particular body and placed > > it in a > > > > > > > > particular family, race, sex, surroundings and so forth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavan added, " These questions are good, but tell de > > > Acosta [he > > > > > > > > always called me de Acosta] she must not become too > > intellectual > > > > > about > > > > > > > > these things. It is better just to meditate and have no > > > > thought. Let > > > > > > > > the mind rest quietly on the Self in the cave of the > Spiritual > > > > > Heart. > > > > > > > > Soon this will become natural and then there will be no > > need for > > > > > > > > questions. Do not imagine that this means being inactive. > > > > Silence is > > > > > > > > the only real activity. " Then Guy added, " Bhagavan says to > > > > tell you > > > > > > > > that he sends you his blessings. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This message greatly comforted me. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, Era > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comfort is what mind is programmed to seek...and will > lead the > > > > > > > searcher ever deeper into the hall of mirrors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the work of awareness....comfort in not the compass by > > > which one > > > > > > > sets their sails......It is nausea.....vertigo.....and the > > > > terror of > > > > > > > loosing everything......It is standing......naked and > > > > > > > vulnerable.......on the lip of insanity....... that point > to the > > > > door > > > > > > > out of the dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comfort....nausea.....vertigo.....the terror of loosing > > > > > > > > > > > > everything......standing......naked and vulnerable.......on the > > > > lip of > > > > > > > > > > > > insanity.............what's different in any of the above? what > > > > > > > > > > > > 'separates' one 'aspect' fropm the 'other'? are you saying there > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > different 'things'? 'activities'? 'feelings'? 'thoughts'...dare > > > i say > > > > > > > > > > > > 'people'?. > > > > > > > > > > > > you really are dreaming aren't you? > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and what leads 'you' to the notion that monkeys are somehow > > inferior > > > > > > > > > > to what you yourself are? > > > > > > > > > > conceit? > > > > > > > > > > whose? > > > > > > > > > > why? > > > > > > > > > > where? > > > > > > > > > > when? > > > > > > > > > > monkeys don't seem so confused on these issues. > > > > > > > > > > they know how to live. > > > > > > > > > > they could give a rat's ass about sounding 'wise'. > > > > > > > > > > they could care less about 'figuring it out'. > > > > > > > > > > dude...they are there and you are not. > > > > > > > > > > s'cuse me...i need a banana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > *** No, Bob--don't. It was bananas, not apples, long ago in > > > > the G of E. > > > > > > > > Bananas are responsible for all the attempts to > > > > be 'one-up.' ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > well kenny-ji...seeing how you're always several down all the time, > > > i'd suggest you leave off the pablum pie here and now...here on earth. > > > let the GoE worry about itself you little devil. > > > > > > and also a little more umph in the sax playing would be in order..if > > > you want a different venue then elevators. pretty smooth and schmaltzy > > > tunes..but kenny-ji....it's just dumb shit your playin'...boring. > > > > *** He's actually quite a good player, aside from his bank balance. > > I like Jan Garbarek and Joshua Redman, more my style. > > > > > > over and over....and over and over and over.... > > > > *** Nah, never before, never hence.....exactly. > > > > > > well..even though your repertoire sucks..get a lip anyway. maybe then > > > you could say something half way intelligent..as it is you can only be > > > yourself and that's a tragedy. > > > > > > see'ya romeo, > > > > *** Well, that would be nice....if you could get out of your > > head, and off your trip. ;-) > > > > kenny...you're going backwards...not even standing still. > > going 'on' a 'trip' would do you good. > > it would get 'you' out of everyone's head. > > tough for you that there's nothing inside that head on you. > > god bless and stuff, > > .b b.b. *** Ah, the secret of your success... 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