Guest guest Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tigerlily_du_lac " <tigerlily_du_lac wrote: > > > well it's not an absolute must. > > > > it's just a nice thing to play around with. > > > > don't 'you' like having fun? > > > > or is all this stuff 'serious' business with 'you'? > > > > that's a drag man! > > > > .b b.b. > > > Also bbb that have concepts to fight concepts is fun, like > entertainment. there you go! it's the only game in town. and oh! what a game.... what a town. unspeakably just so. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 >but only when i am aware of one (self). So are you sayinfg that I must be aware of one (self) before to have fun, and not other way round? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tigerlily_du_lac " <tigerlily_du_lac wrote: > > > there are no 'things'. > > > > absolutely. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > I understand this .b b b! > > Is correct to say that awareness is all? it's all that i'm aware of. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tigerlily_du_lac " <tigerlily_du_lac wrote: > > >but only when i am aware of one (self). > > So are you sayinfg that I must be aware of one (self) before to have > fun, and not other way round? :-) it's ALL Fun. which comes first? yes! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 Nisargadatta once said that he was " beyond awareness even " . I do not give this much thought. Thank you for help b.b.b :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " tigerlily_du_lac " > > <tigerlily_du_lac@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tigerlily_du_lac " > > > > > > <tigerlily_du_lac@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I now think that: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Universe without mind to observe it is absolute, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Consciousness is awareness modulated by mind, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Mind is relative, and relativity allow measure of time > > > and > > > > > space, > > > > > > > and give objectivity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From this concluding objectivity is mind way of seeing > > > absolute. > > > > > So no > > > > > > > difference. Although some puzzle left, I think this correct, > > > and > > > > > seem > > > > > > > like final link in most elegant concept. > > > > > > > > > > > > *** Oui, monsieur! > > > > > > > > > > > > And in this moment relative-and-absolute...ended. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are the content of consciousness.....searching within the > > > content > > > > of consciousness for consciousness itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > Yes toombaru everything is appearing in consciousness as objects, > > > like me, like I,a nd like this body, like this mind, and like these > > > concept we discuss now. > > > > > > All I am doing is trying explain objectivity because he scientists > > > is saying bad things about Nisargadatta and call us loonies. So I > > > must argue with him. > > > > > > > > > You are combating concepts about things with concepts about things. > > > > See that.....and watch what happens. > > > > > > toombaru > > > how can 'that which IS NOT' " see " 'that which IS'? > > there is a prob. there toomie. > > .b b.b. > When consciousness sees the machinery of consciousness......the most amazing thing happens. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 You ask why Nisargadatta spoke.For one thing speech is a spontaneous phenomenon and so N. really was not involved with it--in that he was beyond phenomena altogether. I know this is an unhelpful reply.True, but useless.You want something that will help your suffering.This I am writing is just more spontaneous stuff.But sometimes something is said that, against all odds, finds a chink in the 2 inch thick armor plating of ignorance and does somebody some good--like a stray bullet that kills the enemy's best general.I am not the one to say such things but N. seems to have had a knack for it. tigerlily_du_lac <tigerlily_du_lac wrote: > If > someone throws a rock and hits you in the face with it, truth is a > terrific sudden sharp pain.If you turn the corner and see a very > beautiful woman coming toward you amd you take a sudden deep breath, > truth is that aching desire you feel--depending on your gender and > persuasion of course.I mean truth is what's HERE NOW. No? > Ok, whats here now is truth, but that not helping one who suffer to hear that. Or one trapped in webcob. With concepts. He trapped in webcob and that is true, but he won't be happy. And if is all the fuss about? Why is Nisargadatta bother to say anything? So what is answer to this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tigerlily_du_lac " <tigerlily_du_lac wrote: > > > If > > someone throws a rock and hits you in the face with it, truth is a > > terrific sudden sharp pain.If you turn the corner and see a very > > beautiful woman coming toward you amd you take a sudden deep breath, > > truth is that aching desire you feel--depending on your gender and > > persuasion of course.I mean truth is what's HERE NOW. No? > > > > Ok, whats here now is truth, but that not helping one who suffer to > hear that. Or one trapped in webcob. With concepts. He trapped in > webcob and that is true, but he won't be happy. And if is all the fuss > about? Why is Nisargadatta bother to say anything? > > So what is answer to this? > The person is the entrapment. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tigerlily_du_lac " > > > <tigerlily_du_lac@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tigerlily_du_lac " > > > > > > > <tigerlily_du_lac@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I now think that: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Universe without mind to observe it is absolute, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Consciousness is awareness modulated by mind, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Mind is relative, and relativity allow measure of time > > > > and > > > > > > space, > > > > > > > > and give objectivity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From this concluding objectivity is mind way of seeing > > > > absolute. > > > > > > So no > > > > > > > > difference. Although some puzzle left, I think this > correct, > > > > and > > > > > > seem > > > > > > > > like final link in most elegant concept. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** Oui, monsieur! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And in this moment relative-and-absolute...ended. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are the content of consciousness.....searching within the > > > > content > > > > > of consciousness for consciousness itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > Yes toombaru everything is appearing in consciousness as objects, > > > > like me, like I,a nd like this body, like this mind, and like these > > > > concept we discuss now. > > > > > > > > All I am doing is trying explain objectivity because he scientists > > > > is saying bad things about Nisargadatta and call us loonies. So I > > > > must argue with him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are combating concepts about things with concepts about things. > > > > > > See that.....and watch what happens. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > how can 'that which IS NOT' " see " 'that which IS'? > > > > there is a prob. there toomie. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > When consciousness sees the machinery of consciousness......the most > amazing thing happens. > > > toombaru been there..am that..no big deal. once again for a refresher: there are no such things as things..amazing or otherwise. amazing huh? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Nisargadatta , tom allen <jeusisbuen wrote: > > You ask why Nisargadatta spoke.For one thing speech is a spontaneous phenomenon and so N. really was not involved with it--in that he was beyond phenomena altogether. I know this is an unhelpful reply.True, but useless.You want something that will help your suffering.This I am writing is just more spontaneous stuff.But sometimes something is said that, against all odds, finds a chink in the 2 inch thick armor plating of ignorance and does somebody some good--like a stray bullet that kills the enemy's best general.I am not the one to say such things but N. seems to have had a knack for it. > > tigerlily_du_lac <tigerlily_du_lac wrote: > If > > someone throws a rock and hits you in the face with it, truth is a > > terrific sudden sharp pain.If you turn the corner and see a very > > beautiful woman coming toward you amd you take a sudden deep breath, > > truth is that aching desire you feel--depending on your gender and > > persuasion of course.I mean truth is what's HERE NOW. No? > > > > Ok, whats here now is truth, but that not helping one who suffer to > hear that. Or one trapped in webcob. With concepts. He trapped in > webcob and that is true, but he won't be happy. And if is all the fuss > about? Why is Nisargadatta bother to say anything? > > So what is answer to this? there is no question to answer. that's why he bothered with anything. no question...no doubt. don't think about 'it'. 'who's' to 'think' anyway? and why? ..b b.b. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tigerlily_du_lac " > <tigerlily_du_lac@> wrote: > > > > > If > > > someone throws a rock and hits you in the face with it, truth is a > > > terrific sudden sharp pain.If you turn the corner and see a very > > > beautiful woman coming toward you amd you take a sudden deep breath, > > > truth is that aching desire you feel--depending on your gender and > > > persuasion of course.I mean truth is what's HERE NOW. No? > > > > > > > Ok, whats here now is truth, but that not helping one who suffer to > > hear that. Or one trapped in webcob. With concepts. He trapped in > > webcob and that is true, but he won't be happy. And if is all the fuss > > about? Why is Nisargadatta bother to say anything? > > > > So what is answer to this? > > > > > The person is the entrapment. > > > toombaru there is no such 'person'...no such 'trap'. return to sender. no such address...no such zone. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Why is Nisargadatta bother to say anything? > > So what is answer to this? > > > Nisargadatta never said anything. The concepts that flowed through that little brown man's lips emerged from Awareness...and they speak to Awareness. We do not idolize the radio that brings us the Sunday morning sermon. Both Nisargadatta and the radio are the machinery through which Awareness resonates with itself. It is you who is speaking.....It is you who is listening. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Why is Nisargadatta bother to say anything? > > > > So what is answer to this? > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta never said anything. > > The concepts that flowed through that little brown man's lips emerged > from Awareness...and they speak to Awareness. > > We do not idolize the radio that brings us the Sunday morning sermon. > > Both Nisargadatta and the radio are the machinery through which > Awareness resonates with itself. > > It is you who is speaking.....It is you who is listening. > > toombaru but it's you who is posting. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Why is Nisargadatta bother to say anything? > > > > > > So what is answer to this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta never said anything. > > > > The concepts that flowed through that little brown man's lips emerged > > from Awareness...and they speak to Awareness. > > > > We do not idolize the radio that brings us the Sunday morning sermon. > > > > Both Nisargadatta and the radio are the machinery through which > > Awareness resonates with itself. > > > > It is you who is speaking.....It is you who is listening. > > > > toombaru > > > but it's you who is posting. > > .b b.b. > It appears that way. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Why is Nisargadatta bother to say anything? > > > > > > > > So what is answer to this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta never said anything. > > > > > > The concepts that flowed through that little brown man's lips emerged > > > from Awareness...and they speak to Awareness. > > > > > > We do not idolize the radio that brings us the Sunday morning sermon. > > > > > > Both Nisargadatta and the radio are the machinery through which > > > Awareness resonates with itself. > > > > > > It is you who is speaking.....It is you who is listening. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > but it's you who is posting. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > It appears that way. > > > toombaru to who? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 words words words they will remain what they always have been they will never bring you the nearest because they are already to far away this is the nature of all words nis saw this you see this dont put on words on this seeing let the seeing be without words and everything will be in its right place just as it is ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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