self-control

April 27, 2007

Can anyone comment on N's saying that the witness state brings self-

control? My take on this is: what you witness does not " hook into the

power of the Now " . If a desire to throw a brick at somebody rises and

you are in the witness state, that desire cannot get its' nasty plug

into the Now socket--the Now socket being the source of all power and

reality.I have tried this and sometimes it seems to be the

case.Sometimes not. Maybe it is the cheesy quality of my witnessing

that accounts for the sometimes not. I think a question like this is

more useful than discussing what God is or if He is or etc. I want

questions that pay cash. No? But I suppose God pays cash too if that

concept is plugged in.Such a complicated world!

April 28, 2007

Hi

> Can anyone comment on N's saying that the witness state brings self-

> control? My take on this is: what you witness does not " hook into the

> power of the Now " . If a desire to throw a brick at somebody rises and

> you are in the witness state, that desire cannot get its' nasty plug

> into the Now socket--the Now socket being the source of all power and

> reality.I have tried this and sometimes it seems to be the

> case.Sometimes not. Maybe it is the cheesy quality of my witnessing

> that accounts for the sometimes not. I think a question like this is

> more useful than discussing what God is or if He is or etc. I want

> questions that pay cash. No? But I suppose God pays cash too if that

> concept is plugged in.Such a complicated world!

>

Nisargadatta I Am That:

I am not an object in Consciousness but its source,

its Witness, pure shapeless Awareness.

You are and I am. But only as points in consciousness; we are nothing

apart from consciousness. (92)

Do realize that it is not you who moves from dream to dream, but the

dreams flow before you, and you are the immutable witness. No

happening affects your real being - that is the absolute truth. (333)

The witness is not a person. The person comes into being when there is

a basis for it, an organism, a body. In it, the absolute is reflected

as awareness. Pure awareness becomes self-awareness. When there is a

self, self-awareness is the witness. When there is no self to witness,

there is no witnessing either. It is all very simple; it is the

presence of the person that complicates. See that there is no such

thing as a permanently separate person and all becomes clear.

Awareness, mind, matter - they are one reality in its two aspects as

immovable and movable, and the three attributes of inertia, energy and

harmony. Awareness becomes consciousness when it has an object. The

object changes all the time. In consciousness there is movement;

awareness by itself is motionless and timeless, here and now. (233)

The difference between the person and the witness is as between not

knowing and knowing oneself. The person is in unrest and resistance to

the very end. It is the witness that works on the person, on the

totality of its illusions, past, present and future. (358)

[The person and the witness] both are modes of consciousness. In one,

you desire and fear; in the other, you are unaffected by pleasure and

pain, and are not ruffled by events. You let them come and go. (190)

The pleasure to be is the simplest form of self-love, which later

grows into love of the self. Be like an infant with nothing standing

between the body and the self. The constant noise of the psychic life

is absent. In deep silence, the self contemplates the body. It is like

the white paper on which nothing is written yet. Be like that infant,

instead of trying to be this or that, be happy to be. You will be a

fully awakened witness of the field of consciousness. But there should

be no feelings and ideas to stand between you and the field. (216)

April 29, 2007

Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: