Guest guest Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 On Apr 27, 2007, at 6:00 PM, billrishel wrote: > My sense of very deep sleep is one of > dissolution into something like a very > dark liquid. When there is clarity > (i.e. very little distracting content) > the transition from that profoundly > dissolved state to the play of light > all around is rather transparent. It > becomes clear that there is really no > difference between the two. Because > fundamentally what is significant is > the " dissolved state " ... and that > awareness of light and sense is not a > *moving out of* the dissolved state... > but simply an overlay of sensation. > > So if the dissolved state is seen as > a Profound Trance, and further it is > seen that such Profound Trance is always > the case... but can be overlaid by > the " noise " of phenomenal existence... > then it becomes clear (perhaps) that > such Profound Trance is what is actually > the case, and is solely what is real. > Realizing such, the significance of > phenomenal existence diminishes. > > Reading recently about dark matter > and dark energy, it was quite interesting > to see that dark matter + dark energy > account for 96% of the universe, and > the world of light, atoms, etc. i.e. > the universe as we know it in a physical > sense, accounts for only 4%(!). > Further, while dark matter does interact > gravatationally (hence is " matter " ), it > does not or interacts only very weakly > in terms of the other atomic forces. > Huge clouds of dark matter can move > through us without us having any sense > of it. > > Interesting to compare, then, to the > Profound Trance mentioned above. Notice > that the Profound Trance does not > interact with sensory phenomena (it is > always there, while sensory phenomena > whirl in their courses independently > as it were). > > In comparison to dark matter/energy > physical phenomena are like the surface > waves on a vast body of water. > > And a similar comparison between the > Profound Trance and sensory experience. > > Bill > > P; This is very good, Bill! Which means, That's how I see it too. The non-conscious, death, or black mirror is always there, it doesn't change. It's the reflections that come and go. In a brain, the black mirror momentarily coagulates into its own reflection and that is the final illumination. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > On Apr 27, 2007, at 6:00 PM, billrishel wrote: > > > My sense of very deep sleep is one of > > dissolution into something like a very > > dark liquid. When there is clarity > > (i.e. very little distracting content) > > the transition from that profoundly > > dissolved state to the play of light > > all around is rather transparent. It > > becomes clear that there is really no > > difference between the two. Because > > fundamentally what is significant is > > the " dissolved state " ... and that > > awareness of light and sense is not a > > *moving out of* the dissolved state... > > but simply an overlay of sensation. > > > > So if the dissolved state is seen as > > a Profound Trance, and further it is > > seen that such Profound Trance is always > > the case... but can be overlaid by > > the " noise " of phenomenal existence... > > then it becomes clear (perhaps) that > > such Profound Trance is what is actually > > the case, and is solely what is real. > > Realizing such, the significance of > > phenomenal existence diminishes. > > > > Reading recently about dark matter > > and dark energy, it was quite interesting > > to see that dark matter + dark energy > > account for 96% of the universe, and > > the world of light, atoms, etc. i.e. > > the universe as we know it in a physical > > sense, accounts for only 4%(!). > > Further, while dark matter does interact > > gravatationally (hence is " matter " ), it > > does not or interacts only very weakly > > in terms of the other atomic forces. > > Huge clouds of dark matter can move > > through us without us having any sense > > of it. > > > > Interesting to compare, then, to the > > Profound Trance mentioned above. Notice > > that the Profound Trance does not > > interact with sensory phenomena (it is > > always there, while sensory phenomena > > whirl in their courses independently > > as it were). > > > > In comparison to dark matter/energy > > physical phenomena are like the surface > > waves on a vast body of water. > > > > And a similar comparison between the > > Profound Trance and sensory experience. > > > > Bill > > > > > > P; This is very good, Bill! Which means, > That's how I see it too. The non-conscious, > death, or black mirror is always > there, it doesn't change. It's the reflections > that come and go. In a brain, the black > mirror momentarily coagulates into its own > reflection and that is the final illumination. > > Pete > If I didn't know this was written in Dark English--a language known only to those to whom it comes naturally--I would feel bad about having read it through 6 times with zero profit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 27, 2007, at 6:00 PM, billrishel wrote: > > > > > My sense of very deep sleep is one of > > > dissolution into something like a very > > > dark liquid. When there is clarity > > > (i.e. very little distracting content) > > > the transition from that profoundly > > > dissolved state to the play of light > > > all around is rather transparent. It > > > becomes clear that there is really no > > > difference between the two. Because > > > fundamentally what is significant is > > > the " dissolved state " ... and that > > > awareness of light and sense is not a > > > *moving out of* the dissolved state... > > > but simply an overlay of sensation. > > > > > > So if the dissolved state is seen as > > > a Profound Trance, and further it is > > > seen that such Profound Trance is always > > > the case... but can be overlaid by > > > the " noise " of phenomenal existence... > > > then it becomes clear (perhaps) that > > > such Profound Trance is what is actually > > > the case, and is solely what is real. > > > Realizing such, the significance of > > > phenomenal existence diminishes. > > > > > > Reading recently about dark matter > > > and dark energy, it was quite interesting > > > to see that dark matter + dark energy > > > account for 96% of the universe, and > > > the world of light, atoms, etc. i.e. > > > the universe as we know it in a physical > > > sense, accounts for only 4%(!). > > > Further, while dark matter does interact > > > gravatationally (hence is " matter " ), it > > > does not or interacts only very weakly > > > in terms of the other atomic forces. > > > Huge clouds of dark matter can move > > > through us without us having any sense > > > of it. > > > > > > Interesting to compare, then, to the > > > Profound Trance mentioned above. Notice > > > that the Profound Trance does not > > > interact with sensory phenomena (it is > > > always there, while sensory phenomena > > > whirl in their courses independently > > > as it were). > > > > > > In comparison to dark matter/energy > > > physical phenomena are like the surface > > > waves on a vast body of water. > > > > > > And a similar comparison between the > > > Profound Trance and sensory experience. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > P; This is very good, Bill! Which means, > > That's how I see it too. The non-conscious, > > death, or black mirror is always > > there, it doesn't change. It's the reflections > > that come and go. In a brain, the black > > mirror momentarily coagulates into its own > > reflection and that is the final illumination. > > > > Pete > > If I didn't know this was written in Dark English--a language > known only to those to whom it comes naturally--I would feel bad > about having read it through 6 times with zero profit. P; To those who open their eyes, visions shall be given; to those who refuse to see, their eyes shall be pluck out. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 2007, at 6:00 PM, billrishel wrote: > > > > > > > My sense of very deep sleep is one of > > > > dissolution into something like a very > > > > dark liquid. When there is clarity > > > > (i.e. very little distracting content) > > > > the transition from that profoundly > > > > dissolved state to the play of light > > > > all around is rather transparent. It > > > > becomes clear that there is really no > > > > difference between the two. Because > > > > fundamentally what is significant is > > > > the " dissolved state " ... and that > > > > awareness of light and sense is not a > > > > *moving out of* the dissolved state... > > > > but simply an overlay of sensation. > > > > > > > > So if the dissolved state is seen as > > > > a Profound Trance, and further it is > > > > seen that such Profound Trance is always > > > > the case... but can be overlaid by > > > > the " noise " of phenomenal existence... > > > > then it becomes clear (perhaps) that > > > > such Profound Trance is what is actually > > > > the case, and is solely what is real. > > > > Realizing such, the significance of > > > > phenomenal existence diminishes. > > > > > > > > Reading recently about dark matter > > > > and dark energy, it was quite interesting > > > > to see that dark matter + dark energy > > > > account for 96% of the universe, and > > > > the world of light, atoms, etc. i.e. > > > > the universe as we know it in a physical > > > > sense, accounts for only 4%(!). > > > > Further, while dark matter does interact > > > > gravatationally (hence is " matter " ), it > > > > does not or interacts only very weakly > > > > in terms of the other atomic forces. > > > > Huge clouds of dark matter can move > > > > through us without us having any sense > > > > of it. > > > > > > > > Interesting to compare, then, to the > > > > Profound Trance mentioned above. Notice > > > > that the Profound Trance does not > > > > interact with sensory phenomena (it is > > > > always there, while sensory phenomena > > > > whirl in their courses independently > > > > as it were). > > > > > > > > In comparison to dark matter/energy > > > > physical phenomena are like the surface > > > > waves on a vast body of water. > > > > > > > > And a similar comparison between the > > > > Profound Trance and sensory experience. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P; This is very good, Bill! Which means, > > > That's how I see it too. The non-conscious, > > > death, or black mirror is always > > > there, it doesn't change. It's the reflections > > > that come and go. In a brain, the black > > > mirror momentarily coagulates into its own > > > reflection and that is the final illumination. > > > > > > Pete > > > If I didn't know this was written in Dark English--a language > > known only to those to whom it comes naturally--I would feel bad > > about having read it through 6 times with zero profit. > > P; To those who open their eyes, visions shall be given; > to those who refuse to see, their eyes shall be pluck out. > > >Simple minds need simple words.I am simpleminded--why not admit it?- -and like it when expressions like " black mirror " , if they must be used, are subsequently explained.It might be nothing more than an aside like: the Hindus call this paratman. Or:this is sometimes called the cloud of unknowing.Without these tenderizers, this is pretty tough meat you are serving.And if " black mirror " is not exactly " cloud of unknowing " just by letting us know that fact helps us to get a feel for the thing, i.e.,it is even more mysterious than this more familiar mysterious stuff. But as I think of it, maybe just leaving it as it is the best thing after all. If you play with the term long enough it starts to make sense.A black mirror is one that does not refect. If you look in all you see is mystery and darkness. It is not like a worldly mirror in which you get a false sense of depth, a false story.Good. Now, maybe I am tracking you a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 2007, at 6:00 PM, billrishel wrote: > > > > > > > > > My sense of very deep sleep is one of > > > > > dissolution into something like a very > > > > > dark liquid. When there is clarity > > > > > (i.e. very little distracting content) > > > > > the transition from that profoundly > > > > > dissolved state to the play of light > > > > > all around is rather transparent. It > > > > > becomes clear that there is really no > > > > > difference between the two. Because > > > > > fundamentally what is significant is > > > > > the " dissolved state " ... and that > > > > > awareness of light and sense is not a > > > > > *moving out of* the dissolved state... > > > > > but simply an overlay of sensation. > > > > > > > > > > So if the dissolved state is seen as > > > > > a Profound Trance, and further it is > > > > > seen that such Profound Trance is always > > > > > the case... but can be overlaid by > > > > > the " noise " of phenomenal existence... > > > > > then it becomes clear (perhaps) that > > > > > such Profound Trance is what is actually > > > > > the case, and is solely what is real. > > > > > Realizing such, the significance of > > > > > phenomenal existence diminishes. > > > > > > > > > > Reading recently about dark matter > > > > > and dark energy, it was quite interesting > > > > > to see that dark matter + dark energy > > > > > account for 96% of the universe, and > > > > > the world of light, atoms, etc. i.e. > > > > > the universe as we know it in a physical > > > > > sense, accounts for only 4%(!). > > > > > Further, while dark matter does interact > > > > > gravatationally (hence is " matter " ), it > > > > > does not or interacts only very weakly > > > > > in terms of the other atomic forces. > > > > > Huge clouds of dark matter can move > > > > > through us without us having any sense > > > > > of it. > > > > > > > > > > Interesting to compare, then, to the > > > > > Profound Trance mentioned above. Notice > > > > > that the Profound Trance does not > > > > > interact with sensory phenomena (it is > > > > > always there, while sensory phenomena > > > > > whirl in their courses independently > > > > > as it were). > > > > > > > > > > In comparison to dark matter/energy > > > > > physical phenomena are like the surface > > > > > waves on a vast body of water. > > > > > > > > > > And a similar comparison between the > > > > > Profound Trance and sensory experience. > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P; This is very good, Bill! Which means, > > > > That's how I see it too. The non-conscious, > > > > death, or black mirror is always > > > > there, it doesn't change. It's the reflections > > > > that come and go. In a brain, the black > > > > mirror momentarily coagulates into its own > > > > reflection and that is the final illumination. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > If I didn't know this was written in Dark English--a language > > > known only to those to whom it comes naturally--I would feel bad > > > about having read it through 6 times with zero profit. > > > > P; To those who open their eyes, visions shall be given; > > to those who refuse to see, their eyes shall be pluck out. > > > > >Simple minds need simple words.I am simpleminded--why not admit it?- > -and like it when expressions like " black mirror " , if they must be > used, are subsequently explained.It might be nothing more than an > aside like: the Hindus call this paratman. Or:this is sometimes > called the cloud of unknowing.Without these tenderizers, this is > pretty tough meat you are serving.And if " black mirror " is not > exactly " cloud of unknowing " just by letting us know that fact > helps us to get a feel for the thing, i.e.,it is even more > mysterious than this more familiar mysterious stuff. But as I think > of it, maybe just leaving it as it is the best thing after all. If > you play with the term long enough it starts to make sense.A black > mirror is one that does not refect. If you look in all you see is > mystery and darkness. It is not like a worldly mirror in which you > get a false sense of depth, a false story.Good. Now, maybe I am > tracking you a little. P: Yes, you got the drift. It's very simple. We all have been very tired, with no energy to think, just energy enough to feel the mind empty of thought, just resting. If at that moment we don't fall asleep, but watch that state it gets deeper, and deeper into blackness and bliss, and we come to an intensity which burns in complete silence. En Castellano negro:Dios es un huracan sin viento alguno, Zorro. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 2007, at 6:00 PM, billrishel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > My sense of very deep sleep is one of > > > > > > dissolution into something like a very > > > > > > dark liquid. When there is clarity > > > > > > (i.e. very little distracting content) > > > > > > the transition from that profoundly > > > > > > dissolved state to the play of light > > > > > > all around is rather transparent. It > > > > > > becomes clear that there is really no > > > > > > difference between the two. Because > > > > > > fundamentally what is significant is > > > > > > the " dissolved state " ... and that > > > > > > awareness of light and sense is not a > > > > > > *moving out of* the dissolved state... > > > > > > but simply an overlay of sensation. > > > > > > > > > > > > So if the dissolved state is seen as > > > > > > a Profound Trance, and further it is > > > > > > seen that such Profound Trance is always > > > > > > the case... but can be overlaid by > > > > > > the " noise " of phenomenal existence... > > > > > > then it becomes clear (perhaps) that > > > > > > such Profound Trance is what is actually > > > > > > the case, and is solely what is real. > > > > > > Realizing such, the significance of > > > > > > phenomenal existence diminishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Reading recently about dark matter > > > > > > and dark energy, it was quite interesting > > > > > > to see that dark matter + dark energy > > > > > > account for 96% of the universe, and > > > > > > the world of light, atoms, etc. i.e. > > > > > > the universe as we know it in a physical > > > > > > sense, accounts for only 4%(!). > > > > > > Further, while dark matter does interact > > > > > > gravatationally (hence is " matter " ), it > > > > > > does not or interacts only very weakly > > > > > > in terms of the other atomic forces. > > > > > > Huge clouds of dark matter can move > > > > > > through us without us having any sense > > > > > > of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting to compare, then, to the > > > > > > Profound Trance mentioned above. Notice > > > > > > that the Profound Trance does not > > > > > > interact with sensory phenomena (it is > > > > > > always there, while sensory phenomena > > > > > > whirl in their courses independently > > > > > > as it were). > > > > > > > > > > > > In comparison to dark matter/energy > > > > > > physical phenomena are like the surface > > > > > > waves on a vast body of water. > > > > > > > > > > > > And a similar comparison between the > > > > > > Profound Trance and sensory experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P; This is very good, Bill! Which means, > > > > > That's how I see it too. The non-conscious, > > > > > death, or black mirror is always > > > > > there, it doesn't change. It's the reflections > > > > > that come and go. In a brain, the black > > > > > mirror momentarily coagulates into its own > > > > > reflection and that is the final illumination. > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > If I didn't know this was written in Dark English--a language > > > > known only to those to whom it comes naturally--I would feel bad > > > > about having read it through 6 times with zero profit. > > > > > > P; To those who open their eyes, visions shall be given; > > > to those who refuse to see, their eyes shall be pluck out. > > > > > > >Simple minds need simple words.I am simpleminded--why not admit it?- > > -and like it when expressions like " black mirror " , if they must be > > used, are subsequently explained.It might be nothing more than an > > aside like: the Hindus call this paratman. Or:this is sometimes > > called the cloud of unknowing.Without these tenderizers, this is > > pretty tough meat you are serving.And if " black mirror " is not > > exactly " cloud of unknowing " just by letting us know that fact > > helps us to get a feel for the thing, i.e.,it is even more > > mysterious than this more familiar mysterious stuff. But as I think > > of it, maybe just leaving it as it is the best thing after all. If > > you play with the term long enough it starts to make sense.A black > > mirror is one that does not refect. If you look in all you see is > > mystery and darkness. It is not like a worldly mirror in which you > > get a false sense of depth, a false story.Good. Now, maybe I am > > tracking you a little. > > P: Yes, you got the drift. It's very simple. We all have > been very tired, with no energy to think, just energy > enough to feel the mind empty of thought, just > resting. If at that moment we don't fall asleep, but > watch that state it gets deeper, and deeper into > blackness and bliss, and we come to an intensity which > burns in complete silence. > > En Castellano negro:Dios es un huracan sin viento > alguno, Zorro. > > >Me gusta mucho, hombre, aquel " huracan sin viento " .No lo entiendo ni un pochito pero parece la verdad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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