Guest guest Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 This source that you speak of, is this source separate in each individual or is it like something that covers over everyone? It's something which " covers over " everyone. It's inside everyone, every object. Is a little piece torn off and given to me and another little piece to ... ? No. No. It's all one. That is the wholeness which the mystic has been talking about for hundreds of years, and which the scientist has been saying since quantum mechanics was developed. All there is, is this wholeness and oneness which cannot be separated. The impersonal Consciousness is the Shiva or Atman, or the Self, as Ramana Maharshi used to say. And the jiva or the self which is the " selfish self " , is the identified consciousness. What Ramana Maharshi used to say is that the Consciousness is the entire ocean. The universal Consciousness or the Self, is the ocean and the jiva or the identified consciousness, is a bubble. But the bubble itself, so long as it remains a bubble, is apparently separate. Nonetheless, what is the bubble other than water? And when the bubble collapses, where does it go to? It becomes the ocean. ... Conversations with Ramesh S. Balsekar Consciousness Speaks (Ramesh S Balsekar) published by Advaita Press PO Box 3479 Redondo Beach CA 90277 USA www.advaita.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Grant " <g-ssummerville wrote: > > This source that you speak of, is this source separate in each individual or is it like something that covers over everyone? > > It's something which " covers over " everyone. It's inside everyone, every object. > > Is a little piece torn off and given to me and another little piece to ... ? > > No. No. It's all one. That is the wholeness which the mystic has been talking about for hundreds of years, and which the scientist has been saying since quantum mechanics was developed. All there is, is this wholeness and oneness which cannot be separated. > The impersonal Consciousness is the Shiva or Atman, or the Self, as Ramana Maharshi used to say. And the jiva or the self which is the " selfish self " , is the identified consciousness. What Ramana Maharshi used to say is that the Consciousness is the entire ocean. The universal Consciousness or the Self, is the ocean and the jiva or the identified consciousness, is a bubble. But the bubble itself, so long as it remains a bubble, is apparently separate. Nonetheless, what is the bubble other than water? And when the bubble collapses, where does it go to? It becomes the ocean. ... > > Conversations with Ramesh S. Balsekar > > > Consciousness Speaks (Ramesh S Balsekar) published by > Advaita Press > PO Box 3479 > Redondo Beach CA 90277 > USA > www.advaita.org > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Grant " <g-ssummerville@> wrote: > > > > This source that you speak of, is this source separate in each > individual or is it like something that covers over everyone? > > > > It's something which " covers over " everyone. It's inside everyone, > every object. > > > > Is a little piece torn off and given to me and another little piece > to ... ? > > > > No. No. It's all one. That is the wholeness which the mystic has > been talking about for hundreds of years, and which the scientist has > been saying since quantum mechanics was developed. All there is, is > this wholeness and oneness which cannot be separated. > > The impersonal Consciousness is the Shiva or Atman, or the Self, as > Ramana Maharshi used to say. And the jiva or the self which is the > " selfish self " , is the identified consciousness. What Ramana Maharshi > used to say is that the Consciousness is the entire ocean. The > universal Consciousness or the Self, is the ocean and the jiva or the > identified consciousness, is a bubble. But the bubble itself, so long > as it remains a bubble, is apparently separate. Nonetheless, what is > the bubble other than water? And when the bubble collapses, where does > it go to? It becomes the ocean. ... > > > > Conversations with Ramesh S. Balsekar > > > > > > Consciousness Speaks (Ramesh S Balsekar) published by > > Advaita Press > > PO Box 3479 > > Redondo Beach CA 90277 > > USA > > www.advaita.org > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Grant " <g-ssummerville@> wrote: > > > > > > This source that you speak of, is this source separate in each > > individual or is it like something that covers over everyone? > > > > > > It's something which " covers over " everyone. It's inside everyone, > > every object. > > > > > > Is a little piece torn off and given to me and another little piece > > to ... ? > > > > > > No. No. It's all one. That is the wholeness which the mystic has > > been talking about for hundreds of years, and which the scientist has > > been saying since quantum mechanics was developed. All there is, is > > this wholeness and oneness which cannot be separated. > > > The impersonal Consciousness is the Shiva or Atman, or the Self, as > > Ramana Maharshi used to say. And the jiva or the self which is the > > " selfish self " , is the identified consciousness. What Ramana Maharshi > > used to say is that the Consciousness is the entire ocean. The > > universal Consciousness or the Self, is the ocean and the jiva or the > > identified consciousness, is a bubble. But the bubble itself, so long > > as it remains a bubble, is apparently separate. Nonetheless, what is > > the bubble other than water? And when the bubble collapses, where does > > it go to? It becomes the ocean. ... > > > > > > Conversations with Ramesh S. Balsekar > > > > > > > > > Consciousness Speaks (Ramesh S Balsekar) published by > > > Advaita Press > > > PO Box 3479 > > > Redondo Beach CA 90277 > > > USA > > > www.advaita.org > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Grant " <g-ssummerville@> wrote: > > > > > > > > This source that you speak of, is this source separate in each > > > individual or is it like something that covers over everyone? > > > > > > > > It's something which " covers over " everyone. It's inside everyone, > > > every object. > > > > > > > > Is a little piece torn off and given to me and another little piece > > > to ... ? > > > > > > > > No. No. It's all one. That is the wholeness which the mystic has > > > been talking about for hundreds of years, and which the scientist has > > > been saying since quantum mechanics was developed. All there is, is > > > this wholeness and oneness which cannot be separated. > > > > The impersonal Consciousness is the Shiva or Atman, or the Self, as > > > Ramana Maharshi used to say. And the jiva or the self which is the > > > " selfish self " , is the identified consciousness. What Ramana Maharshi > > > used to say is that the Consciousness is the entire ocean. The > > > universal Consciousness or the Self, is the ocean and the jiva or the > > > identified consciousness, is a bubble. But the bubble itself, so long > > > as it remains a bubble, is apparently separate. Nonetheless, what is > > > the bubble other than water? And when the bubble collapses, where does > > > it go to? It becomes the ocean. ... > > > > > > > > Conversations with Ramesh S. Balsekar > > > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness Speaks (Ramesh S Balsekar) published by > > > > Advaita Press > > > > PO Box 3479 > > > > Redondo Beach CA 90277 > > > > USA > > > > www.advaita.org > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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