Guest guest Posted May 2, 2007 Report Share Posted May 2, 2007 When you are open to death; thought of death lose their special meaning and significance and thus stop occurring on their own. Similarly, When you are open to failure; fear of failure goes away. When you are open to being late; fear of being late goes away. When you are open to losing; fear of losing goes away. Fear is just an effect - 'what you don't want to happen' is its root. If you are open to death; there is no reason for the fear of death to exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2007 Report Share Posted May 2, 2007 http://www.thework.com/athousandnamesforjoy/index.asp No one knows what death is. Maybe it's not a something; maybe it's not even a nothing. It's the pure unknown, and I love that. We imagine that death is a state of being or a state of nothingness, and we frighten ourselves with our own concepts. I'm a lover of what is: I love sickness and health, coming and going, life and death. I see life and death as equal. Reality is good; so death must be good, whatever it is, if it's anything at all. A few months ago I was visiting Needles, the small desert town in southern California where my daughter lives. I was at the grocery store with her when some old friends of the family whom I hadn't seen for decades spotted me. " Katie! " they called out, and they came up to me, beaming. They hugged me, they asked how I was, I told them, then they asked, " And how is your dear mother doing? " I said, " She's wonderful. She's dead. " Silence. Suddenly the smiles were gone. I saw that they were having a problem, but I didn't know what it was. When Roxann and I were outside the store, she turned to me and said, " Mom, when you talk to people like that, they can't handle it. " That hadn't occurred to me. I was just telling the truth. Until you experience death as a gift, your work's not done. So if you're afraid of it, that shows you what to question next. There's nothing else to do; you're either believing these childish stories, or you're questioning them-there's no other choice. What's not okay about dying? You close your eyes every night, and you go to sleep. People look forward to it; some people actually prefer that part. And that's as bad as it gets, except for your belief that says there's something else. Before a thought, there's no one, nothing- only peace that doesn't even recognize itself as peace. .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2007 Report Share Posted May 2, 2007 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > When you are open to death; > thought of death lose their special meaning > and significance and thus stop occurring on their own. > > > > Similarly, > > When you are open to failure; > fear of failure goes away. > > When you are open to being late; > fear of being late goes away. > > When you are open to losing; > fear of losing goes away. > > > Fear is just an effect - 'what you > don't want to happen' is its root. > > > If you are open to death; > there is no reason for the fear of death > to exist. > Namaste, " We don't want to be free from fear. All that we want to do is to play games with it and talk about freeing ourselves from fear. " UG Krishnamurthi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2007 Report Share Posted May 2, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > When you are open to death; > > thought of death lose their special meaning > > and significance and thus stop occurring on their own. > > > > > > > > Similarly, > > > > When you are open to failure; > > fear of failure goes away. > > > > When you are open to being late; > > fear of being late goes away. > > > > When you are open to losing; > > fear of losing goes away. > > > > > > Fear is just an effect - 'what you > > don't want to happen' is its root. > > > > > > If you are open to death; > > there is no reason for the fear of death > > to exist. > > > Namaste, > > " We don't want to be free from fear. All that we want to do is to > play games with it and talk about freeing ourselves from fear. " UG > Krishnamurthi. we can't be free from fear.....we ARE fear. no fear...nobody home... dead. never were. the best life there is! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2007 Report Share Posted May 2, 2007 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: >When you are open to death; >thought of death lose their special meaning >and significance and thus stop occurring on their own. what is wrong about this special meaning and significance that is occurring on their own? Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2007 Report Share Posted May 2, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > >When you are open to death; > >thought of death lose their special meaning > >and significance and thus stop occurring on their own. > > what is wrong about this special meaning > and significance that is occurring on their own? > > Stefan there is nothing 'wrong'. there is nothing 'right'. there is that which is. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Decision making used to be a big ordeal for me. It used to be very time- consuming and energy sapping activity that I used to resent. It changed after I started studying Dr. David Hawkins and the Level Of Consciousness (LOC) chart* that he taught. I interpreted Dr. Hawkins idea as benign emotions like Peace, Love and Joy being Self-Empowering and destructive emotions like shame, guilt, fear, anger and pride as Energy- draining. I further interpreted Dr. Hawkins as recognizing Courage as the bridge emotion that allows one to travel from lower emotions like guilt, greed and fear to forgiveness, Peace and Love. I saw that Fear was in the root of every 'pain emotion' - and, the Courage was the door out of fear and into benign Self-Empowering emotions. Further, fear didn't really go away by believing that what one is afraid of, wouldn't happen - it went away with the willingness to face the unknown, the uncertain and simply focus on doing what seems loving, reasonable or peaceful. Fear went away with realization that the future, the result is unknown and uncertain to a large extent anyway and being afraid and acting out of fear... is not really helping change that uncertainty - but, it is only creating pain in present, is making me lose my sense of well-being and peace and is draining my energy. I saw that all fear is basically due to attachment and all attachments are ultimately false** and, are based on 'false belief' that by 'being afraid', I would be able to change the uncertainty and unknown and by being afraid, I would be able to " keep " what I think I should keep and avoid what I think I should avoid. On closer examination of my life and of the events in my life, I noticed that this unexamined 'belief in the efficacy of fear' was in fact... false. What needed to be done... could easily and more effectively be done simply based on reason, awareness and peace, and doing it this way was far more pleasant, peaceful and stress-free. ---- Dr. Hawkins LOC chart: < http://tinyurl.com/2vr837 > or, < http://www.kundalinishakti.org/index.php? option=com_content & task=view & id=16 & Itemid=32 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Decision making used to be a big ordeal > for me. It used to be very time- > consuming and energy sapping activity > that I used to resent. It changed after > I started studying Dr. David Hawkins > and the Level Of Consciousness (LOC) > chart* that he taught. > > > I interpreted Dr. Hawkins idea as > benign emotions like Peace, Love and > Joy being Self-Empowering and > destructive emotions like shame, guilt, > fear, anger and pride as Energy- > draining. > > > I further interpreted Dr. Hawkins as > recognizing Courage as the bridge emotion > that allows one to travel from lower emotions > like guilt, greed and fear to forgiveness, > Peace and Love. > > > I saw that Fear was in the root of every > 'pain emotion' - and, the Courage was the > door out of fear and into benign Self-Empowering > emotions. Further, fear didn't really go away > by believing that what one is afraid of, wouldn't > happen - it went away with the willingness to face > the unknown, the uncertain and simply focus > on doing what seems loving, reasonable or peaceful. > > > Fear went away with realization that the > future, the result is unknown and uncertain > to a large extent anyway and being afraid > and acting out of fear... is not really helping > change that uncertainty - but, it is only > creating pain in present, is making me lose > my sense of well-being and peace and is > draining my energy. > > > I saw that all fear is basically due to attachment > and all attachments are ultimately false** and, are > based on 'false belief' that by 'being afraid', > I would be able to change the uncertainty > and unknown and by being afraid, I would be > able to " keep " what I think I should keep > and avoid what I think I should avoid. > > > On closer examination of my life and of the > events in my life, I noticed that this > unexamined 'belief in the efficacy of fear' > was in fact... false. What needed to be done... > could easily and more effectively be done simply > based on reason, awareness and peace, and doing > it this way was far more pleasant, peaceful > and stress-free. good.. now... don't get too attached to: a false belief in mr. hawkins' false beliefs. believe nothing. freedom from fear et al is there. ..b b.b. > ---- > Dr. Hawkins LOC chart: > > < http://tinyurl.com/2vr837 > > > or, > > < > http://www.kundalinishakti.org/index.php? > option=com_content & task=view & id=16 & Itemid=32 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > Decision making used to be a big ordeal > > for me. It used to be very time- > > consuming and energy sapping activity > > that I used to resent. It changed after > > I started studying Dr. David Hawkins > > and the Level Of Consciousness (LOC) > > chart* that he taught. > > > > > > I interpreted Dr. Hawkins idea as > > benign emotions like Peace, Love and > > Joy being Self-Empowering and > > destructive emotions like shame, guilt, > > fear, anger and pride as Energy- > > draining. > > > > > > I further interpreted Dr. Hawkins as > > recognizing Courage as the bridge emotion > > that allows one to travel from lower emotions > > like guilt, greed and fear to forgiveness, > > Peace and Love. > > > > > > I saw that Fear was in the root of every > > 'pain emotion' - and, the Courage was the > > door out of fear and into benign Self-Empowering > > emotions. Further, fear didn't really go away > > by believing that what one is afraid of, wouldn't > > happen - it went away with the willingness to face > > the unknown, the uncertain and simply focus > > on doing what seems loving, reasonable or peaceful. > > > > > > Fear went away with realization that the > > future, the result is unknown and uncertain > > to a large extent anyway and being afraid > > and acting out of fear... is not really helping > > change that uncertainty - but, it is only > > creating pain in present, is making me lose > > my sense of well-being and peace and is > > draining my energy. > > > > > > I saw that all fear is basically due to attachment > > and all attachments are ultimately false** and, are > > based on 'false belief' that by 'being afraid', > > I would be able to change the uncertainty > > and unknown and by being afraid, I would be > > able to " keep " what I think I should keep > > and avoid what I think I should avoid. > > > > > > On closer examination of my life and of the > > events in my life, I noticed that this > > unexamined 'belief in the efficacy of fear' > > was in fact... false. What needed to be done... > > could easily and more effectively be done simply > > based on reason, awareness and peace, and doing > > it this way was far more pleasant, peaceful > > and stress-free. > > > > > > good.. > > now... > > don't get too attached to: > > a false belief in mr. hawkins' false beliefs. > > believe nothing. > > freedom from fear et al is there. > > > .b b.b. er...dontya mean t/here? lots of xoxoxoxo's AnnA > > > > > > > ---- > > Dr. Hawkins LOC chart: > > > > < http://tinyurl.com/2vr837 > > > > > or, > > > > < > > http://www.kundalinishakti.org/index.php? > > option=com_content & task=view & id=16 & Itemid=32 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > Decision making used to be a big ordeal > > > for me. It used to be very time- > > > consuming and energy sapping activity > > > that I used to resent. It changed after > > > I started studying Dr. David Hawkins > > > and the Level Of Consciousness (LOC) > > > chart* that he taught. > > > > > > > > > I interpreted Dr. Hawkins idea as > > > benign emotions like Peace, Love and > > > Joy being Self-Empowering and > > > destructive emotions like shame, guilt, > > > fear, anger and pride as Energy- > > > draining. > > > > > > > > > I further interpreted Dr. Hawkins as > > > recognizing Courage as the bridge emotion > > > that allows one to travel from lower emotions > > > like guilt, greed and fear to forgiveness, > > > Peace and Love. > > > > > > > > > I saw that Fear was in the root of every > > > 'pain emotion' - and, the Courage was the > > > door out of fear and into benign Self-Empowering > > > emotions. Further, fear didn't really go away > > > by believing that what one is afraid of, wouldn't > > > happen - it went away with the willingness to face > > > the unknown, the uncertain and simply focus > > > on doing what seems loving, reasonable or peaceful. > > > > > > > > > Fear went away with realization that the > > > future, the result is unknown and uncertain > > > to a large extent anyway and being afraid > > > and acting out of fear... is not really helping > > > change that uncertainty - but, it is only > > > creating pain in present, is making me lose > > > my sense of well-being and peace and is > > > draining my energy. > > > > > > > > > I saw that all fear is basically due to attachment > > > and all attachments are ultimately false** and, are > > > based on 'false belief' that by 'being afraid', > > > I would be able to change the uncertainty > > > and unknown and by being afraid, I would be > > > able to " keep " what I think I should keep > > > and avoid what I think I should avoid. > > > > > > > > > On closer examination of my life and of the > > > events in my life, I noticed that this > > > unexamined 'belief in the efficacy of fear' > > > was in fact... false. What needed to be done... > > > could easily and more effectively be done simply > > > based on reason, awareness and peace, and doing > > > it this way was far more pleasant, peaceful > > > and stress-free. > > > > > > > > > > > > good.. > > > > now... > > > > don't get too attached to: > > > > a false belief in mr. hawkins' false beliefs. > > > > believe nothing. > > > > freedom from fear et al is there. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > er...dontya mean t/here? > > > > > lots of xoxoxoxo's > AnnA :-) i never know what i mean. i don't think i mean anything. though sometimes i may seem to BE mean.... it means nothing. nothing at all. even if it 'seems' to mean something.. don't believe it. believe me. ..b b.b. > > > ---- > > > Dr. Hawkins LOC chart: > > > > > > < http://tinyurl.com/2vr837 > > > > > > > or, > > > > > > < > > > http://www.kundalinishakti.org/index.php? > > > option=com_content & task=view & id=16 & Itemid=32 > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Decision making used to be a big ordeal > > > > for me. It used to be very time- > > > > consuming and energy sapping activity > > > > that I used to resent. It changed after > > > > I started studying Dr. David Hawkins > > > > and the Level Of Consciousness (LOC) > > > > chart* that he taught. > > > > > > > > > > > > I interpreted Dr. Hawkins idea as > > > > benign emotions like Peace, Love and > > > > Joy being Self-Empowering and > > > > destructive emotions like shame, guilt, > > > > fear, anger and pride as Energy- > > > > draining. > > > > > > > > > > > > I further interpreted Dr. Hawkins as > > > > recognizing Courage as the bridge emotion > > > > that allows one to travel from lower emotions > > > > like guilt, greed and fear to forgiveness, > > > > Peace and Love. > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw that Fear was in the root of every > > > > 'pain emotion' - and, the Courage was the > > > > door out of fear and into benign Self-Empowering > > > > emotions. Further, fear didn't really go away > > > > by believing that what one is afraid of, wouldn't > > > > happen - it went away with the willingness to face > > > > the unknown, the uncertain and simply focus > > > > on doing what seems loving, reasonable or peaceful. > > > > > > > > > > > > Fear went away with realization that the > > > > future, the result is unknown and uncertain > > > > to a large extent anyway and being afraid > > > > and acting out of fear... is not really helping > > > > change that uncertainty - but, it is only > > > > creating pain in present, is making me lose > > > > my sense of well-being and peace and is > > > > draining my energy. > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw that all fear is basically due to attachment > > > > and all attachments are ultimately false** and, are > > > > based on 'false belief' that by 'being afraid', > > > > I would be able to change the uncertainty > > > > and unknown and by being afraid, I would be > > > > able to " keep " what I think I should keep > > > > and avoid what I think I should avoid. > > > > > > > > > > > > On closer examination of my life and of the > > > > events in my life, I noticed that this > > > > unexamined 'belief in the efficacy of fear' > > > > was in fact... false. What needed to be done... > > > > could easily and more effectively be done simply > > > > based on reason, awareness and peace, and doing > > > > it this way was far more pleasant, peaceful > > > > and stress-free. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good.. > > > > > > now... > > > > > > don't get too attached to: > > > > > > a false belief in mr. hawkins' false beliefs. > > > > > > believe nothing. > > > > > > freedom from fear et al is there. > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > er...dontya mean t/here? > > > > > > > > > > lots of xoxoxoxo's > > AnnA > > > :-) > > i never know what i mean. > > i don't think i mean anything. > > though sometimes i may seem to BE mean.... > > it means nothing. > > nothing at all. > > even if it 'seems' to mean something.. > > don't believe it. > > believe me. > > .b b.b. i mean that. ..b b.b. > > > > ---- > > > > Dr. Hawkins LOC chart: > > > > > > > > < http://tinyurl.com/2vr837 > > > > > > > > > or, > > > > > > > > < > > > > http://www.kundalinishakti.org/index.php? > > > > option=com_content & task=view & id=16 & Itemid=32 > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: As a student of Dr. Hawkins, do you utilize kinesiology as taught by Dr. H., for discerning truth from falsehood? In one particular paragraph in your post I noticed a comment that initially created a little unease so I calibrated it. Indeed, what you wrote could perhaps be problematic... intellectually speaking. If interested... write me directly... not to the group. BTW... it's ironic that you posted here about Dr. Hawkins and his LOC chart. Here's the Nisargadatta and the supposedly enlightened guys bantering don't have an LOC over 200. Surprised??? Blessings Bob > > Decision making used to be a big ordeal > for me. It used to be very time- > consuming and energy sapping activity > that I used to resent. It changed after > I started studying Dr. David Hawkins > and the Level Of Consciousness (LOC) > chart* that he taught. > > > I interpreted Dr. Hawkins idea as > benign emotions like Peace, Love and > Joy being Self-Empowering and > destructive emotions like shame, guilt, > fear, anger and pride as Energy- > draining. > > > I further interpreted Dr. Hawkins as > recognizing Courage as the bridge emotion > that allows one to travel from lower emotions > like guilt, greed and fear to forgiveness, > Peace and Love. > > > I saw that Fear was in the root of every > 'pain emotion' - and, the Courage was the > door out of fear and into benign Self-Empowering > emotions. Further, fear didn't really go away > by believing that what one is afraid of, wouldn't > happen - it went away with the willingness to face > the unknown, the uncertain and simply focus > on doing what seems loving, reasonable or peaceful. > > > Fear went away with realization that the > future, the result is unknown and uncertain > to a large extent anyway and being afraid > and acting out of fear... is not really helping > change that uncertainty - but, it is only > creating pain in present, is making me lose > my sense of well-being and peace and is > draining my energy. > > > I saw that all fear is basically due to attachment > and all attachments are ultimately false** and, are > based on 'false belief' that by 'being afraid', > I would be able to change the uncertainty > and unknown and by being afraid, I would be > able to " keep " what I think I should keep > and avoid what I think I should avoid. > > > On closer examination of my life and of the > events in my life, I noticed that this > unexamined 'belief in the efficacy of fear' > was in fact... false. What needed to be done... > could easily and more effectively be done simply > based on reason, awareness and peace, and doing > it this way was far more pleasant, peaceful > and stress-free. > > Dr. Hawkins LOC chart: > > < http://tinyurl.com/2vr837 > > or, > http://www.kundalinishakti.org/index.php? > option=com_content & task=view & id=16 & Itemid=32 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Bob " <rgcbob wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > As a student of Dr. Hawkins, do you utilize kinesiology as taught > by Dr. H., for discerning truth from falsehood? > > In one particular paragraph in your post I noticed a comment that > initially created a little unease so I calibrated it. Indeed, what you > wrote could perhaps be problematic... intellectually speaking. > > If interested... write me directly... not to the group. > > BTW... it's ironic that you posted here about Dr. Hawkins and his LOC > chart. Here's the Nisargadatta and the supposedly > enlightened guys bantering don't have an LOC over 200. Surprised??? > > Blessings > Bob oh bobby! you want to 'grade' people? levels of consciousness and/or enlightenment? i bet you would like to count the number of angels on a pinhead too. well...on baba's LOC you merit a -14. buck up buckaroo... levels of consciousness..how droll! LOL! ..b b.b. > > Decision making used to be a big ordeal > > for me. It used to be very time- > > consuming and energy sapping activity > > that I used to resent. It changed after > > I started studying Dr. David Hawkins > > and the Level Of Consciousness (LOC) > > chart* that he taught. > > > > > > I interpreted Dr. Hawkins idea as > > benign emotions like Peace, Love and > > Joy being Self-Empowering and > > destructive emotions like shame, guilt, > > fear, anger and pride as Energy- > > draining. > > > > > > I further interpreted Dr. Hawkins as > > recognizing Courage as the bridge emotion > > that allows one to travel from lower emotions > > like guilt, greed and fear to forgiveness, > > Peace and Love. > > > > > > I saw that Fear was in the root of every > > 'pain emotion' - and, the Courage was the > > door out of fear and into benign Self-Empowering > > emotions. Further, fear didn't really go away > > by believing that what one is afraid of, wouldn't > > happen - it went away with the willingness to face > > the unknown, the uncertain and simply focus > > on doing what seems loving, reasonable or peaceful. > > > > > > Fear went away with realization that the > > future, the result is unknown and uncertain > > to a large extent anyway and being afraid > > and acting out of fear... is not really helping > > change that uncertainty - but, it is only > > creating pain in present, is making me lose > > my sense of well-being and peace and is > > draining my energy. > > > > > > I saw that all fear is basically due to attachment > > and all attachments are ultimately false** and, are > > based on 'false belief' that by 'being afraid', > > I would be able to change the uncertainty > > and unknown and by being afraid, I would be > > able to " keep " what I think I should keep > > and avoid what I think I should avoid. > > > > > > On closer examination of my life and of the > > events in my life, I noticed that this > > unexamined 'belief in the efficacy of fear' > > was in fact... false. What needed to be done... > > could easily and more effectively be done simply > > based on reason, awareness and peace, and doing > > it this way was far more pleasant, peaceful > > and stress-free. > > > > Dr. Hawkins LOC chart: > > > > < http://tinyurl.com/2vr837 > > > or, > > http://www.kundalinishakti.org/index.php? > > option=com_content & task=view & id=16 & Itemid=32 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Thanks for post, Bob! More below... Nisargadatta , " Bob " <rgcbob wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > As a student of Dr. Hawkins, do you utilize kinesiology as taught > by Dr. H., for discerning truth from falsehood? No, I don't use kinesiology to discern truth from falsehood and I don't think I know how to do it. However, I do attempt to SEE what actions and thoughts seem motivated by Compassion, Kindness, Joy, Love and Reason what seem motivated by reactivity, shame, guilt, greed, anger or fear. I find actions and thoughts of first kind paeceful, empowering and worth 'serving'. I find the actions and thoughts of second kind destructive and painful. [...] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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