Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > A long time ago--probably more than 30 years-- I was mowing a lawn on > > a little old Cub Cadet riding mower. I saw up head something in the > > grass that looked like a rock. When I got close to it I stopped and > > looking hard saw that it was a toad. This toad was sitting stock still > > probably hoping that this noisy monster that was standing next to it > > wouldn't see it.I kept staring at it wondering why it just sat there > > in plain view when it might easily have hopped away to safety.Just as > > I put the mower in gear and started to move again the toad made its > > move and took a big leap--not necessarily a bad idea but a poor choice > > of directions because it jumped right into the discharge slot and cme > > back out almost immediately transformed itno a kind of green/grey mist- > > -ther might have been some red in there also..From this event-- which I > > obviously never forgot--I learned the value of non-doing.Jai Guru! > > > > > i hope you learned the joy of toad cuisine as well. > > > .b b.b. > T: Sorry. At that time I was a strict vegetarian.the toad was never at any point in danger--except in his own worried estimation. P: Hi, Tom- I do like what you wrote. Matter of fact, I like most of what you write. I cross-posted your 'Cherry serial killer poem' and I know others liked it too. Nevertheless, the toad was never worried, or had any estimation, other than in your imagination. If that had been the case, it'd not have jumped toward the machine. Toads know where they want to go, it's just our imagination that they don't. If the toad jumped toward the lawnmower is because it didn't look, or smelled like the usual predators. I recognize, I'm speaking for your toad without its authorization. ) If I'm right, this of course, doesn't invalidate your meta4, on the contrary it makes it more valuable. How many times we imagine we read the mind of others, and jump in the jaws of a lawnmower? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > A long time ago--probably more than 30 years-- I was mowing a > lawn on > > > a little old Cub Cadet riding mower. I saw up head something in > the > > > grass that looked like a rock. When I got close to it I stopped > and > > > looking hard saw that it was a toad. This toad was sitting stock > still > > > probably hoping that this noisy monster that was standing next > to it > > > wouldn't see it.I kept staring at it wondering why it just sat > there > > > in plain view when it might easily have hopped away to > safety.Just as > > > I put the mower in gear and started to move again the toad made > its > > > move and took a big leap--not necessarily a bad idea but a poor > choice > > > of directions because it jumped right into the discharge slot > and cme > > > back out almost immediately transformed itno a kind of > green/grey mist- > > > -ther might have been some red in there also..From this event-- > which I > > > obviously never forgot--I learned the value of non-doing.Jai > Guru! > > > > > > > > > > i hope you learned the joy of toad cuisine as well. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > T: Sorry. At that time I was a strict vegetarian.the toad was never at > any point in danger--except in his own worried estimation. > > P: Hi, Tom- > > I do like what you wrote. Matter of fact, I like most of what > you write. I cross-posted your 'Cherry serial killer poem' > and I know others liked it too. Nevertheless, the toad was > never worried, or had any estimation, other than in your > imagination. If that had been the case, it'd not have jumped > toward the machine. Toads know where they want to > go, it's just our imagination that they don't. If the toad > jumped toward the lawnmower is because it didn't > look, or smelled like the usual predators. I recognize, > I'm speaking for your toad without its authorization. ) > > If I'm right, this of course, doesn't invalidate your meta4, > on the contrary it makes it more valuable. How many times > we imagine we read the mind of others, and jump > in the jaws of a lawnmower? ;-) are you proving the point here P.? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > A long time ago--probably more than 30 years-- I was mowing a > > lawn on > > > > a little old Cub Cadet riding mower. I saw up head something in > > the > > > > grass that looked like a rock. When I got close to it I stopped > > and > > > > looking hard saw that it was a toad. This toad was sitting stock > > still > > > > probably hoping that this noisy monster that was standing next > > to it > > > > wouldn't see it.I kept staring at it wondering why it just sat > > there > > > > in plain view when it might easily have hopped away to > > safety.Just as > > > > I put the mower in gear and started to move again the toad made > > its > > > > move and took a big leap--not necessarily a bad idea but a poor > > choice > > > > of directions because it jumped right into the discharge slot > > and cme > > > > back out almost immediately transformed itno a kind of > > green/grey mist- > > > > -ther might have been some red in there also..From this event-- > > which I > > > > obviously never forgot--I learned the value of non-doing.Jai > > Guru! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i hope you learned the joy of toad cuisine as well. > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > T: Sorry. At that time I was a strict vegetarian.the toad was never at > > any point in danger--except in his own worried estimation. > > > > P: Hi, Tom- > > > > I do like what you wrote. Matter of fact, I like most of what > > you write. I cross-posted your 'Cherry serial killer poem' > > and I know others liked it too. Nevertheless, the toad was > > never worried, or had any estimation, other than in your > > imagination. If that had been the case, it'd not have jumped > > toward the machine. Toads know where they want to > > go, it's just our imagination that they don't. If the toad > > jumped toward the lawnmower is because it didn't > > look, or smelled like the usual predators. I recognize, > > I'm speaking for your toad without its authorization. ) > > > > If I'm right, this of course, doesn't invalidate your meta4, > > on the contrary it makes it more valuable. How many times > > we imagine we read the mind of others, and jump > > in the jaws of a lawnmower? > > > > ;-) > > are you proving the point here P.? > > .b b.b. P; If that is what you see, that is only what you get. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > A long time ago--probably more than 30 years-- I was mowing a > > > lawn on > > > > > a little old Cub Cadet riding mower. I saw up head something in > > > the > > > > > grass that looked like a rock. When I got close to it I stopped > > > and > > > > > looking hard saw that it was a toad. This toad was sitting stock > > > still > > > > > probably hoping that this noisy monster that was standing next > > > to it > > > > > wouldn't see it.I kept staring at it wondering why it just sat > > > there > > > > > in plain view when it might easily have hopped away to > > > safety.Just as > > > > > I put the mower in gear and started to move again the toad made > > > its > > > > > move and took a big leap--not necessarily a bad idea but a poor > > > choice > > > > > of directions because it jumped right into the discharge slot > > > and cme > > > > > back out almost immediately transformed itno a kind of > > > green/grey mist- > > > > > -ther might have been some red in there also..From this event-- > > > which I > > > > > obviously never forgot--I learned the value of non-doing.Jai > > > Guru! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i hope you learned the joy of toad cuisine as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > T: Sorry. At that time I was a strict vegetarian.the toad was never at > > > any point in danger--except in his own worried estimation. > > > > > > P: Hi, Tom- > > > > > > I do like what you wrote. Matter of fact, I like most of what > > > you write. I cross-posted your 'Cherry serial killer poem' > > > and I know others liked it too. Nevertheless, the toad was > > > never worried, or had any estimation, other than in your > > > imagination. If that had been the case, it'd not have jumped > > > toward the machine. Toads know where they want to > > > go, it's just our imagination that they don't. If the toad > > > jumped toward the lawnmower is because it didn't > > > look, or smelled like the usual predators. I recognize, > > > I'm speaking for your toad without its authorization. ) > > > > > > If I'm right, this of course, doesn't invalidate your meta4, > > > on the contrary it makes it more valuable. How many times > > > we imagine we read the mind of others, and jump > > > in the jaws of a lawnmower? > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > are you proving the point here P.? > > > > .b b.b. > > P; If that is what you see, that is only what you get. it's what you said, not what i see. but it appears that's not what you 'got' or saw'. hmmm.. now i see. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 > > > > > > > > > T: Sorry. At that time I was a strict vegetarian.the toad was > never at > > > > any point in danger--except in his own worried estimation. > > > > > > > > P: Hi, Tom- > > > > > > > > I do like what you wrote. Matter of fact, I like most of what > > > > you write. I cross-posted your 'Cherry serial killer poem' > > > > and I know others liked it too. Nevertheless, the toad was > > > > never worried, or had any estimation, other than in your > > > > imagination. If that had been the case, it'd not have jumped > > > > toward the machine. Toads know where they want to > > > > go, it's just our imagination that they don't. If the toad > > > > jumped toward the lawnmower is because it didn't > > > > look, or smelled like the usual predators. I recognize, > > > > I'm speaking for your toad without its authorization. ) > > > > > > > > If I'm right, this of course, doesn't invalidate your meta4, > > > > on the contrary it makes it more valuable. How many times > > > > we imagine we read the mind of others, and jump > > > > in the jaws of a lawnmower? > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > are you proving the point here P.? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > P; If that is what you see, that is only what you get. > > > > > > it's what you said, > > not what i see. > > but it appears that's not what you 'got' or saw'. > > hmmm.. > > now i see. > > .b b.b. P: I can write without you, you can't read without you. I know what I wrote, but when you read, you add that history of 'you and me.' For you, what I said, is only what you see. How can it be otherwise, as long as you, are you? See? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > T: Sorry. At that time I was a strict vegetarian.the toad was > > never at > > > > > any point in danger--except in his own worried estimation. > > > > > > > > > > P: Hi, Tom- > > > > > > > > > > I do like what you wrote. Matter of fact, I like most of what > > > > > you write. I cross-posted your 'Cherry serial killer poem' > > > > > and I know others liked it too. Nevertheless, the toad was > > > > > never worried, or had any estimation, other than in your > > > > > imagination. If that had been the case, it'd not have jumped > > > > > toward the machine. Toads know where they want to > > > > > go, it's just our imagination that they don't. If the toad > > > > > jumped toward the lawnmower is because it didn't > > > > > look, or smelled like the usual predators. I recognize, > > > > > I'm speaking for your toad without its authorization. ) > > > > > > > > > > If I'm right, this of course, doesn't invalidate your meta4, > > > > > on the contrary it makes it more valuable. How many times > > > > > we imagine we read the mind of others, and jump > > > > > in the jaws of a lawnmower? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > are you proving the point here P.? > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > P; If that is what you see, that is only what you get. > > > > > > > > > > > > it's what you said, > > > > not what i see. > > > > but it appears that's not what you 'got' or saw'. > > > > hmmm.. > > > > now i see. > > > > .b b.b. > > P: I can write without you, you can't read > without you. I know what I wrote, but when > you read, you add that history of 'you and me.' > For you, what I said, is only what you see. > How can it be otherwise, as long as you, are you? > See? no. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sorry. At that time I was a strict vegetarian.the toad was never > at > > > any point in danger--except in his own worried estimation. > > > > > > > So what made you come back comfortably to meat eating Tom? > > > I never did go back to eating meat-the flesh of land animals-- but I > did start eating fish.I was vegetarian for maybe 30 years. Always > had skin problems and bad memory. When I started eating a less > restricted diet these things cleared up. I am not saying > vegetarianism is unhealthy but unintelligent vegetarians might do > well to eat a little fish. Wow! amazing that such obvious knowledge never was discovered by such an intelligent people as Indians who had thousands of years to observe on millions of people what a strict vegetarian diet is. Note i'm not a vegetarian either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry. At that time I was a strict vegetarian.the toad was never > > at > > > > any point in danger--except in his own worried estimation. > > > > > > > > > > So what made you come back comfortably to meat eating Tom? > > > > > I never did go back to eating meat-the flesh of land animals-- but I > > did start eating fish.I was vegetarian for maybe 30 years. Always > > had skin problems and bad memory. When I started eating a less > > restricted diet these things cleared up. I am not saying > > vegetarianism is unhealthy but unintelligent vegetarians might do > > well to eat a little fish. > > Wow! amazing that such obvious knowledge never was discovered by such > an intelligent people as Indians who had thousands of years to observe > on millions of people what a strict vegetarian diet is. > Note i'm not a vegetarian either. > And just look what happened the Indians. :-0 toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: .... > > And just look what happened the Indians. > > > > :-0 What Toomy, what? You have some information i don't have? ?:-O > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > ... > > > > > And just look what happened the Indians. > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > What Toomy, what? > You have some information i don't have? > ?:-O > > > toombaru > > > Well...........we did take all their land.........but we let them have casinos. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry. At that time I was a strict vegetarian.the toad was never > > > at > > > > > any point in danger--except in his own worried estimation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > So what made you come back comfortably to meat eating Tom? > > > > > > > I never did go back to eating meat-the flesh of land animals-- but I > > > did start eating fish.I was vegetarian for maybe 30 years. Always > > > had skin problems and bad memory. When I started eating a less > > > restricted diet these things cleared up. I am not saying > > > vegetarianism is unhealthy but unintelligent vegetarians might do > > > well to eat a little fish. > > > > Wow! amazing that such obvious knowledge never was discovered by such > > an intelligent people as Indians who had thousands of years to observe > > on millions of people what a strict vegetarian diet is. > > Note i'm not a vegetarian either. > And just look what happened the Indians. > > > > :-0 > > > > toombaru i think he refers to the East Indians and not the misnomered American Aboriginal population. ah...what happened to them? and ah...what happened to the American Aboriginals? last i heard they were doing fine...unless it's numbers that count...in which case one of the two is a big winner and the other is a big loser. but i don't think numbers of individuals is what you or any intelligent person could possibly be thinking about. so... what happened to the 'Indians', oh 'great keeper' of the historic flame? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > ... > > > > > > > > And just look what happened the Indians. > > > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > What Toomy, what? > > You have some information i don't have? > > ?:-O > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > Well...........we did take all their land.........but we let them have > casinos. > > > > toombaru wrong 'indians' toombaru...as i state in the just prior posting. the huns took 'our' land at one time. the romans took everyone's land at one time or another. the germans took a bunch of land in wwII. we're trying to take a lot of land in the middle east right now. what does any of that prove? what are you trying to prove? in fact...what the hell are you saying at all? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > ... > > > > > > > > And just look what happened the Indians. > > > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > What Toomy, what? > > You have some information i don't have? > > ?:-O > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > Well...........we did take all their land.........but we let them have > casinos. > > > > toombaru wrong 'indians' toombaru...as i state in the just prior posting. the huns took 'our' land at one time. the romans took everyone's land at one time or another. the germans took a bunch of land in wwII. we're trying to take a lot of land in the middle east right now. what does any of that prove? what are you trying to prove? in fact...what the hell are you saying at all? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > A long time ago--probably more than 30 years-- I was mowing a > lawn on > > > a little old Cub Cadet riding mower. I saw up head something in > the > > > grass that looked like a rock. When I got close to it I stopped > and > > > looking hard saw that it was a toad. This toad was sitting stock > still > > > probably hoping that this noisy monster that was standing next > to it > > > wouldn't see it.I kept staring at it wondering why it just sat > there > > > in plain view when it might easily have hopped away to > safety.Just as > > > I put the mower in gear and started to move again the toad made > its > > > move and took a big leap--not necessarily a bad idea but a poor > choice > > > of directions because it jumped right into the discharge slot > and cme > > > back out almost immediately transformed itno a kind of > green/grey mist- > > > -ther might have been some red in there also..From this event-- > which I > > > obviously never forgot--I learned the value of non-doing.Jai > Guru! > > > > > > > > > > i hope you learned the joy of toad cuisine as well. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > T: Sorry. At that time I was a strict vegetarian.the toad was never at > any point in danger--except in his own worried estimation. > > P: Hi, Tom- > > I do like what you wrote. Matter of fact, I like most of what > you write. I cross-posted your 'Cherry serial killer poem' > and I know others liked it too. Nevertheless, the toad was > never worried, or had any estimation, other than in your > imagination. If that had been the case, it'd not have jumped > toward the machine. Toads know where they want to > go, it's just our imagination that they don't. If the toad > jumped toward the lawnmower is because it didn't > look, or smelled like the usual predators. I recognize, > I'm speaking for your toad without its authorization. ) > > If I'm right, this of course, doesn't invalidate your meta4, > on the contrary it makes it more valuable. How many times > we imagine we read the mind of others, and jump > in the jaws of a lawnmower? >Re: What motivated the toad: I think he acted on the same motive we all do--it just happened. And all the events that preceeded the eventn of his jump just happened too.Someone said that without choice there is no person.Sounds true.Maybe the spiritual path is first to realize that you have no choice--to see that clearly and then over many years to see it again and again until that knowledge never leaves you.I confess for me, most of the time I don't catch the justhappenssness of things.But for a 3 hours every day I watch more closely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry. At that time I was a strict vegetarian.the toad was never > > at > > > > any point in danger--except in his own worried estimation. > > > > > > > > > > So what made you come back comfortably to meat eating Tom? > > > > > I never did go back to eating meat-the flesh of land animals-- but I > > did start eating fish.I was vegetarian for maybe 30 years. Always > > had skin problems and bad memory. When I started eating a less > > restricted diet these things cleared up. I am not saying > > vegetarianism is unhealthy but unintelligent vegetarians might do > > well to eat a little fish. > > Wow! amazing that such obvious knowledge never was discovered by such > an intelligent people as Indians who had thousands of years to observe > on millions of people what a strict vegetarian diet is. > Note i'm not a vegetarian either. > Most Indians are not strict vegetarians.A lot of them eat anything they can get.A lot of them eat the same way we do in the west. Strict vegetarianism is a religoius position. Health faddists may have taken it up but most of those who practice it do it for ethical reasons.It is really a kind of luxury.Poor people eat small birds and inscets ,whatever. I really would like to have continued it but did not feel well.I still would rather eat nuts than fish.But fish seems to have something I need. Maybe not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2007 Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry. At that time I was a strict vegetarian.the toad was > never > > > at > > > > > any point in danger--except in his own worried estimation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > So what made you come back comfortably to meat eating Tom? > > > > > > > I never did go back to eating meat-the flesh of land animals-- > but I > > > did start eating fish.I was vegetarian for maybe 30 years. > Always > > > had skin problems and bad memory. When I started eating a less > > > restricted diet these things cleared up. I am not saying > > > vegetarianism is unhealthy but unintelligent vegetarians might > do > > > well to eat a little fish. > > > > Wow! amazing that such obvious knowledge never was discovered by > such > > an intelligent people as Indians who had thousands of years to > observe > > on millions of people what a strict vegetarian diet is. > > Note i'm not a vegetarian either. > > > Most Indians are not strict vegetarians.A lot of them eat anything > they can get.A lot of them eat the same way we do in the west. > Strict vegetarianism is a religoius position. Health faddists may > have taken it up but most of those who practice it do it for ethical > reasons.It is really a kind of luxury.Poor people eat small birds > and inscets ,whatever. I really would like to have continued it but > did not feel well.I still would rather eat nuts than fish.But fish > seems to have something I need. Maybe not. now this from god's boy: " Listen and understand. What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean', but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean'. " Then the disciples came to him and asked, " Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this? " He replied, " Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. Leave them; they are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit. " Peter said, " Explain the parable to us. " " Are you still so dull? " Jesus asked them. " Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean'. For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. These are what make a man 'unclean'; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him 'unclean'. " imagine J.C. talking to Peter this way..what a mean guy huh? and further: " You are looking for me because you ate the loaves and had your fill. Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life! I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty! " looks like jesus enjoyed a nice bowl of consciousness every now and then his own self. ..b bobji baba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2007 Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry. At that time I was a strict vegetarian.the toad was > > never > > > > at > > > > > > any point in danger--except in his own worried estimation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So what made you come back comfortably to meat eating Tom? > > > > > > > > > I never did go back to eating meat-the flesh of land animals- - > > but I > > > > did start eating fish.I was vegetarian for maybe 30 years. > > Always > > > > had skin problems and bad memory. When I started eating a less > > > > restricted diet these things cleared up. I am not saying > > > > vegetarianism is unhealthy but unintelligent vegetarians might > > do > > > > well to eat a little fish. > > > > > > Wow! amazing that such obvious knowledge never was discovered by > > such > > > an intelligent people as Indians who had thousands of years to > > observe > > > on millions of people what a strict vegetarian diet is. > > > Note i'm not a vegetarian either. > > > > > Most Indians are not strict vegetarians.A lot of them eat anything > > they can get.A lot of them eat the same way we do in the west. > > Strict vegetarianism is a religoius position. Health faddists may > > have taken it up but most of those who practice it do it for ethical > > reasons.It is really a kind of luxury.Poor people eat small birds > > and inscets ,whatever. I really would like to have continued it but > > did not feel well.I still would rather eat nuts than fish.But fish > > seems to have something I need. Maybe not. > > > > > now this from god's boy: > > > " Listen and understand. What goes into a man's mouth does not make him > 'unclean', but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him > 'unclean'. " Then the disciples came to him and asked, " Do you know > that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this? " He replied, > " Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up > by the roots. Leave them; they are blind guides. If a blind man leads > a blind man, both will fall into a pit. " > > Peter said, " Explain the parable to us. " " Are you still so dull? " > Jesus asked them. " Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth goes > into the stomach and then out of the body? But the things that come > out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean'. > For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual > immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. These are what make a man > 'unclean'; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him 'unclean'. " > > > imagine J.C. talking to Peter this way..what a mean guy huh? > > > > > and further: > > > > " You are looking for me because you ate the loaves and had your fill. > Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal > life! I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, > and he who believes in me will never be thirsty! " > > > > looks like jesus enjoyed a nice bowl of consciousness every now and > then his own self. > > .b bobji baba > I eat what I have to eat. Do you know of anybody who doesn't-- Including Jesus or even Bill Gates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2007 Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry. At that time I was a strict vegetarian.the toad > was > > > never > > > > > at > > > > > > > any point in danger--except in his own worried > estimation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So what made you come back comfortably to meat eating Tom? > > > > > > > > > > > I never did go back to eating meat-the flesh of land animals- > - > > > but I > > > > > did start eating fish.I was vegetarian for maybe 30 years. > > > Always > > > > > had skin problems and bad memory. When I started eating a > less > > > > > restricted diet these things cleared up. I am not saying > > > > > vegetarianism is unhealthy but unintelligent vegetarians > might > > > do > > > > > well to eat a little fish. > > > > > > > > Wow! amazing that such obvious knowledge never was discovered > by > > > such > > > > an intelligent people as Indians who had thousands of years to > > > observe > > > > on millions of people what a strict vegetarian diet is. > > > > Note i'm not a vegetarian either. > > > > > > > Most Indians are not strict vegetarians.A lot of them eat > anything > > > they can get.A lot of them eat the same way we do in the west. > > > Strict vegetarianism is a religoius position. Health faddists > may > > > have taken it up but most of those who practice it do it for > ethical > > > reasons.It is really a kind of luxury.Poor people eat small > birds > > > and inscets ,whatever. I really would like to have continued it > but > > > did not feel well.I still would rather eat nuts than fish.But > fish > > > seems to have something I need. Maybe not. > > > > > > > > > > now this from god's boy: > > > > > > " Listen and understand. What goes into a man's mouth does not make > him > > 'unclean', but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him > > 'unclean'. " Then the disciples came to him and asked, " Do you know > > that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this? " He replied, > > " Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be > pulled up > > by the roots. Leave them; they are blind guides. If a blind man > leads > > a blind man, both will fall into a pit. " > > > > Peter said, " Explain the parable to us. " " Are you still so dull? " > > Jesus asked them. " Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth > goes > > into the stomach and then out of the body? But the things that come > > out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a > man 'unclean'. > > For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual > > immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. These are what make a > man > > 'unclean'; but eating with unwashed hands does not make > him 'unclean'. " > > > > > > imagine J.C. talking to Peter this way..what a mean guy huh? > > > > > > > > > > and further: > > > > > > > > " You are looking for me because you ate the loaves and had your > fill. > > Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to > eternal > > life! I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go > hungry, > > and he who believes in me will never be thirsty! " > > > > > > > > looks like jesus enjoyed a nice bowl of consciousness every now and > > then his own self. > > > > .b bobji baba > > I eat what I have to eat. Do you know of anybody who doesn't-- > Including Jesus or even Bill Gates? what???????? i don't get what you are saying. i eat ice cream. i don't NEED ice cream. nobody makes me or forces me to eat ice cream. the same holds true for MOST of the food eaten by most folks here. i don't know what jesus ate, or what billy eats. but i'm believing that jesus didn't NEED the wine. i'm believing billy doesn't HAVE to eat @ 90% of his daily menu content. and i bet YOU don't HAVE to eat a whole lot of what you DO eat. sorry about your luck in my not believing you to be gandhi II. but i won't buy your zoom. and it sure as hell doesn't make ANY difference WHAT you or i or they eat. that is the point of what i have been saying. no stickum star for you today. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2007 Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry. At that time I was a strict vegetarian.the toad > > was > > > > never > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > any point in danger--except in his own worried > > estimation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So what made you come back comfortably to meat eating Tom? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never did go back to eating meat-the flesh of land animals- > > - > > > > but I > > > > > > did start eating fish.I was vegetarian for maybe 30 years. > > > > Always > > > > > > had skin problems and bad memory. When I started eating a > > less > > > > > > restricted diet these things cleared up. I am not saying > > > > > > vegetarianism is unhealthy but unintelligent vegetarians > > might > > > > do > > > > > > well to eat a little fish. > > > > > > > > > > Wow! amazing that such obvious knowledge never was discovered > > by > > > > such > > > > > an intelligent people as Indians who had thousands of years to > > > > observe > > > > > on millions of people what a strict vegetarian diet is. > > > > > Note i'm not a vegetarian either. > > > > > > > > > Most Indians are not strict vegetarians.A lot of them eat > > anything > > > > they can get.A lot of them eat the same way we do in the west. > > > > Strict vegetarianism is a religoius position. Health faddists > > may > > > > have taken it up but most of those who practice it do it for > > ethical > > > > reasons.It is really a kind of luxury.Poor people eat small > > birds > > > > and inscets ,whatever. I really would like to have continued it > > but > > > > did not feel well.I still would rather eat nuts than fish.But > > fish > > > > seems to have something I need. Maybe not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now this from god's boy: > > > > > > > > > " Listen and understand. What goes into a man's mouth does not make > > him > > > 'unclean', but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him > > > 'unclean'. " Then the disciples came to him and asked, " Do you know > > > that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this? " He replied, > > > " Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be > > pulled up > > > by the roots. Leave them; they are blind guides. If a blind man > > leads > > > a blind man, both will fall into a pit. " > > > > > > Peter said, " Explain the parable to us. " " Are you still so dull? " > > > Jesus asked them. " Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth > > goes > > > into the stomach and then out of the body? But the things that come > > > out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a > > man 'unclean'. > > > For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual > > > immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. These are what make a > > man > > > 'unclean'; but eating with unwashed hands does not make > > him 'unclean'. " > > > > > > > > > imagine J.C. talking to Peter this way..what a mean guy huh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and further: > > > > > > > > > > > > " You are looking for me because you ate the loaves and had your > > fill. > > > Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to > > eternal > > > life! I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go > > hungry, > > > and he who believes in me will never be thirsty! " > > > > > > > > > > > > looks like jesus enjoyed a nice bowl of consciousness every now and > > > then his own self. > > > > > > .b bobji baba > > > I eat what I have to eat. Do you know of anybody who doesn't-- > > Including Jesus or even Bill Gates? > > > > what???????? > > i don't get what you are saying. > > i eat ice cream. > > i don't NEED ice cream. > > nobody makes me or forces me to eat ice cream. > > the same holds true for MOST of the food eaten by most folks here. > > i don't know what jesus ate, or what billy eats. > > but i'm believing that jesus didn't NEED the wine. > > i'm believing billy doesn't HAVE to eat @ 90% of his daily menu content. > > and i bet YOU don't HAVE to eat a whole lot of what you DO eat. > > sorry about your luck in my not believing you to be gandhi II. > > but i won't buy your zoom. > > and it sure as hell doesn't make ANY difference WHAT you or i or they eat. > > that is the point of what i have been saying. > > no stickum star for you today. > > .b b.b. > I did not say I don't eat too much. I said I eat what I have to.Great is the difference between the two. 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Guest guest Posted May 5, 2007 Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " > <jeusisbuen@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry. At that time I was a strict vegetarian.the > toad > > > was > > > > > never > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > any point in danger--except in his own worried > > > estimation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So what made you come back comfortably to meat eating > Tom? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never did go back to eating meat-the flesh of land > animals- > > > - > > > > > but I > > > > > > > did start eating fish.I was vegetarian for maybe 30 > years. > > > > > Always > > > > > > > had skin problems and bad memory. When I started eating > a > > > less > > > > > > > restricted diet these things cleared up. I am not saying > > > > > > > vegetarianism is unhealthy but unintelligent vegetarians > > > might > > > > > do > > > > > > > well to eat a little fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow! amazing that such obvious knowledge never was > discovered > > > by > > > > > such > > > > > > an intelligent people as Indians who had thousands of > years to > > > > > observe > > > > > > on millions of people what a strict vegetarian diet is. > > > > > > Note i'm not a vegetarian either. > > > > > > > > > > > Most Indians are not strict vegetarians.A lot of them eat > > > anything > > > > > they can get.A lot of them eat the same way we do in the > west. > > > > > Strict vegetarianism is a religoius position. Health > faddists > > > may > > > > > have taken it up but most of those who practice it do it for > > > ethical > > > > > reasons.It is really a kind of luxury.Poor people eat small > > > birds > > > > > and inscets ,whatever. I really would like to have continued > it > > > but > > > > > did not feel well.I still would rather eat nuts than > fish.But > > > fish > > > > > seems to have something I need. Maybe not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now this from god's boy: > > > > > > > > > > > > " Listen and understand. What goes into a man's mouth does not > make > > > him > > > > 'unclean', but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes > him > > > > 'unclean'. " Then the disciples came to him and asked, " Do you > know > > > > that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this? " He > replied, > > > > " Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be > > > pulled up > > > > by the roots. Leave them; they are blind guides. If a blind > man > > > leads > > > > a blind man, both will fall into a pit. " > > > > > > > > Peter said, " Explain the parable to us. " " Are you still so > dull? " > > > > Jesus asked them. " Don't you see that whatever enters the > mouth > > > goes > > > > into the stomach and then out of the body? But the things that > come > > > > out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a > > > man 'unclean'. > > > > For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, > sexual > > > > immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. These are what > make a > > > man > > > > 'unclean'; but eating with unwashed hands does not make > > > him 'unclean'. " > > > > > > > > > > > > imagine J.C. talking to Peter this way..what a mean guy huh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and further: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " You are looking for me because you ate the loaves and had > your > > > fill. > > > > Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to > > > eternal > > > > life! I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go > > > hungry, > > > > and he who believes in me will never be thirsty! " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looks like jesus enjoyed a nice bowl of consciousness every > now and > > > > then his own self. > > > > > > > > .b bobji baba > > > > I eat what I have to eat. Do you know of anybody who doesn't-- > > > Including Jesus or even Bill Gates? > > > > > > > > what???????? > > > > i don't get what you are saying. > > > > i eat ice cream. > > > > i don't NEED ice cream. > > > > nobody makes me or forces me to eat ice cream. > > > > the same holds true for MOST of the food eaten by most folks here. > > > > i don't know what jesus ate, or what billy eats. > > > > but i'm believing that jesus didn't NEED the wine. > > > > i'm believing billy doesn't HAVE to eat @ 90% of his daily menu > content. > > > > and i bet YOU don't HAVE to eat a whole lot of what you DO eat. > > > > sorry about your luck in my not believing you to be gandhi II. > > > > but i won't buy your zoom. > > > > and it sure as hell doesn't make ANY difference WHAT you or i or > they eat. > > > > that is the point of what i have been saying. > > > > no stickum star for you today. > > > > .b b.b. > > > I did not say I don't eat too much. I said I eat what I have > to.Great is the difference between the two. i didn't say you ate too much. i said you didn't have to eat all the different foods you do eat. you DO NOT have to eat all the different foods that you do eat. there is absolutely no difference between that statement and what i said. eating too much was nowhere in the discussion before this last post of yours. are you trying to change the items under discussion or don't you really know what is being said at all? where you see nop difference, i see a different thing being talked about. you asked if i knew anyone..in particular jesus and gates...who did not just eat what they had to eat. i said yes i knew lots that did..including you and me and jesus and the Bill. and now you are trying to twist that into my saying something about the 'quantity' of foodstuff. WRONG. you are not going to get away with that sort of silly obfuscation. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2007 Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " > > <jeusisbuen@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry. At that time I was a strict vegetarian.the > > toad > > > > was > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > any point in danger--except in his own worried > > > > estimation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So what made you come back comfortably to meat eating > > Tom? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never did go back to eating meat-the flesh of land > > animals- > > > > - > > > > > > but I > > > > > > > > did start eating fish.I was vegetarian for maybe 30 > > years. > > > > > > Always > > > > > > > > had skin problems and bad memory. When I started eating > > a > > > > less > > > > > > > > restricted diet these things cleared up. I am not saying > > > > > > > > vegetarianism is unhealthy but unintelligent vegetarians > > > > might > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > well to eat a little fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow! amazing that such obvious knowledge never was > > discovered > > > > by > > > > > > such > > > > > > > an intelligent people as Indians who had thousands of > > years to > > > > > > observe > > > > > > > on millions of people what a strict vegetarian diet is. > > > > > > > Note i'm not a vegetarian either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most Indians are not strict vegetarians.A lot of them eat > > > > anything > > > > > > they can get.A lot of them eat the same way we do in the > > west. > > > > > > Strict vegetarianism is a religoius position. Health > > faddists > > > > may > > > > > > have taken it up but most of those who practice it do it for > > > > ethical > > > > > > reasons.It is really a kind of luxury.Poor people eat small > > > > birds > > > > > > and inscets ,whatever. I really would like to have continued > > it > > > > but > > > > > > did not feel well.I still would rather eat nuts than > > fish.But > > > > fish > > > > > > seems to have something I need. Maybe not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now this from god's boy: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Listen and understand. What goes into a man's mouth does not > > make > > > > him > > > > > 'unclean', but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes > > him > > > > > 'unclean'. " Then the disciples came to him and asked, " Do you > > know > > > > > that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this? " He > > replied, > > > > > " Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be > > > > pulled up > > > > > by the roots. Leave them; they are blind guides. If a blind > > man > > > > leads > > > > > a blind man, both will fall into a pit. " > > > > > > > > > > Peter said, " Explain the parable to us. " " Are you still so > > dull? " > > > > > Jesus asked them. " Don't you see that whatever enters the > > mouth > > > > goes > > > > > into the stomach and then out of the body? But the things that > > come > > > > > out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a > > > > man 'unclean'. > > > > > For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, > > sexual > > > > > immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. These are what > > make a > > > > man > > > > > 'unclean'; but eating with unwashed hands does not make > > > > him 'unclean'. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imagine J.C. talking to Peter this way..what a mean guy huh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and further: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " You are looking for me because you ate the loaves and had > > your > > > > fill. > > > > > Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to > > > > eternal > > > > > life! I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go > > > > hungry, > > > > > and he who believes in me will never be thirsty! " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looks like jesus enjoyed a nice bowl of consciousness every > > now and > > > > > then his own self. > > > > > > > > > > .b bobji baba > > > > > I eat what I have to eat. Do you know of anybody who doesn't-- > > > > Including Jesus or even Bill Gates? > > > > > > > > > > > > what???????? > > > > > > i don't get what you are saying. > > > > > > i eat ice cream. > > > > > > i don't NEED ice cream. > > > > > > nobody makes me or forces me to eat ice cream. > > > > > > the same holds true for MOST of the food eaten by most folks here. > > > > > > i don't know what jesus ate, or what billy eats. > > > > > > but i'm believing that jesus didn't NEED the wine. > > > > > > i'm believing billy doesn't HAVE to eat @ 90% of his daily menu > > content. > > > > > > and i bet YOU don't HAVE to eat a whole lot of what you DO eat. > > > > > > sorry about your luck in my not believing you to be gandhi II. > > > > > > but i won't buy your zoom. > > > > > > and it sure as hell doesn't make ANY difference WHAT you or i or > > they eat. > > > > > > that is the point of what i have been saying. > > > > > > no stickum star for you today. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > I did not say I don't eat too much. I said I eat what I have > > to.Great is the difference between the two. > > > i didn't say you ate too much. > > i said you didn't have to eat all the different foods you do eat. > > you DO NOT have to eat all the different foods that you do eat. > > there is absolutely no difference between that statement and what i said. > > eating too much was nowhere in the discussion before this last post of > yours. > > are you trying to change the items under discussion or don't you > really know what is being said at all? > > where you see nop difference, i see a different thing being talked about. > > you asked if i knew anyone..in particular jesus and gates...who did > not just eat what they had to eat. > > i said yes i knew lots that did..including you and me and jesus and > the Bill. > > and now you are trying to twist that into my saying something about > the 'quantity' of foodstuff. > > WRONG. > > you are not going to get away with that sort of silly obfuscation. > > .b b.b. >Have you ever done anything that didn't just happen anyway? 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Guest guest Posted May 5, 2007 Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " > <jeusisbuen@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric > Paroissien " > > > > > > > > > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " > > > <jeusisbuen@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry. At that time I was a strict > vegetarian.the > > > toad > > > > > was > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > any point in danger--except in his own worried > > > > > estimation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So what made you come back comfortably to meat > eating > > > Tom? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never did go back to eating meat-the flesh of land > > > animals- > > > > > - > > > > > > > but I > > > > > > > > > did start eating fish.I was vegetarian for maybe 30 > > > years. > > > > > > > Always > > > > > > > > > had skin problems and bad memory. When I started > eating > > > a > > > > > less > > > > > > > > > restricted diet these things cleared up. I am not > saying > > > > > > > > > vegetarianism is unhealthy but unintelligent > vegetarians > > > > > might > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > well to eat a little fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow! amazing that such obvious knowledge never was > > > discovered > > > > > by > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > an intelligent people as Indians who had thousands of > > > years to > > > > > > > observe > > > > > > > > on millions of people what a strict vegetarian diet is. > > > > > > > > Note i'm not a vegetarian either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most Indians are not strict vegetarians.A lot of them > eat > > > > > anything > > > > > > > they can get.A lot of them eat the same way we do in the > > > west. > > > > > > > Strict vegetarianism is a religoius position. Health > > > faddists > > > > > may > > > > > > > have taken it up but most of those who practice it do it > for > > > > > ethical > > > > > > > reasons.It is really a kind of luxury.Poor people eat > small > > > > > birds > > > > > > > and inscets ,whatever. I really would like to have > continued > > > it > > > > > but > > > > > > > did not feel well.I still would rather eat nuts than > > > fish.But > > > > > fish > > > > > > > seems to have something I need. Maybe not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now this from god's boy: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Listen and understand. What goes into a man's mouth does > not > > > make > > > > > him > > > > > > 'unclean', but what comes out of his mouth, that is what > makes > > > him > > > > > > 'unclean'. " Then the disciples came to him and asked, " Do > you > > > know > > > > > > that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this? " He > > > replied, > > > > > > " Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will > be > > > > > pulled up > > > > > > by the roots. Leave them; they are blind guides. If a > blind > > > man > > > > > leads > > > > > > a blind man, both will fall into a pit. " > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter said, " Explain the parable to us. " " Are you still so > > > dull? " > > > > > > Jesus asked them. " Don't you see that whatever enters the > > > mouth > > > > > goes > > > > > > into the stomach and then out of the body? But the things > that > > > come > > > > > > out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a > > > > > man 'unclean'. > > > > > > For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, > > > sexual > > > > > > immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. These are > what > > > make a > > > > > man > > > > > > 'unclean'; but eating with unwashed hands does not make > > > > > him 'unclean'. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imagine J.C. talking to Peter this way..what a mean guy > huh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and further: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " You are looking for me because you ate the loaves and had > > > your > > > > > fill. > > > > > > Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that > endures to > > > > > eternal > > > > > > life! I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will > never go > > > > > hungry, > > > > > > and he who believes in me will never be thirsty! " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looks like jesus enjoyed a nice bowl of consciousness > every > > > now and > > > > > > then his own self. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b bobji baba > > > > > > I eat what I have to eat. Do you know of anybody who > doesn't-- > > > > > Including Jesus or even Bill Gates? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what???????? > > > > > > > > i don't get what you are saying. > > > > > > > > i eat ice cream. > > > > > > > > i don't NEED ice cream. > > > > > > > > nobody makes me or forces me to eat ice cream. > > > > > > > > the same holds true for MOST of the food eaten by most folks > here. > > > > > > > > i don't know what jesus ate, or what billy eats. > > > > > > > > but i'm believing that jesus didn't NEED the wine. > > > > > > > > i'm believing billy doesn't HAVE to eat @ 90% of his daily > menu > > > content. > > > > > > > > and i bet YOU don't HAVE to eat a whole lot of what you DO eat. > > > > > > > > sorry about your luck in my not believing you to be gandhi II. > > > > > > > > but i won't buy your zoom. > > > > > > > > and it sure as hell doesn't make ANY difference WHAT you or i > or > > > they eat. > > > > > > > > that is the point of what i have been saying. > > > > > > > > no stickum star for you today. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > I did not say I don't eat too much. I said I eat what I have > > > to.Great is the difference between the two. > > > > > > i didn't say you ate too much. > > > > i said you didn't have to eat all the different foods you do eat. > > > > you DO NOT have to eat all the different foods that you do eat. > > > > there is absolutely no difference between that statement and what > i said. > > > > eating too much was nowhere in the discussion before this last > post of > > yours. > > > > are you trying to change the items under discussion or don't you > > really know what is being said at all? > > > > where you see nop difference, i see a different thing being talked > about. > > > > you asked if i knew anyone..in particular jesus and gates...who did > > not just eat what they had to eat. > > > > i said yes i knew lots that did..including you and me and jesus and > > the Bill. > > > > and now you are trying to twist that into my saying something about > > the 'quantity' of foodstuff. > > > > WRONG. > > > > you are not going to get away with that sort of silly obfuscation. > > > > .b b.b. > >Have you ever done anything that didn't just happen anyway? That is > how I eat. what is the connection of this post with the above discussion? you do not have to eat all the different foods that you eat. end of story. this just happens to be the way things just happen..i guess. no matter. you still don't need the variety of foodstuff that you do enjoy. a simple admission of fact is all that is required jesusisbuen@>. ..b bobji baba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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