Guest guest Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 So Buddhamind is spontaneous--you dont stop and ponder and then act, you just dive in. Well, I am here to ask this of Mr. Buddhamind--Is not that stop and pondering just as spontaneous as your " diving in " .Because I don't hurl myself down staircases like Trungpa did, but go carefully and gingerly down hanging on to the rail and testing each step Am I being any less spontaneous than he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > So Buddhamind is spontaneous--you dont stop and ponder and then act, > you just dive in. Well, I am here to ask this of Mr. Buddhamind--Is > not that stop and pondering just as spontaneous as your " diving > in " .Because I don't hurl myself down staircases like Trungpa did, but > go carefully and gingerly down hanging on to the rail and testing each > step Am I being any less spontaneous than he? spontaneously! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > So Buddhamind is spontaneous--you dont stop and ponder and then act, > you just dive in. Well, I am here to ask this of Mr. Buddhamind--Is > not that stop and pondering just as spontaneous as your " diving > in " .Because I don't hurl myself down staircases like Trungpa did, but > go carefully and gingerly down hanging on to the rail and testing each > step Am I being any less spontaneous than he? Since you effectively beg a definition for " spontaneous " , I'll comply with: absence of " considered behavior " . I relate to the point you make. As I see it, living with complete spontaniety is to have no notion of one's own behavior at all. One's own behavior is as much a surprise as that of the next fellow. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > So Buddhamind is spontaneous--you dont stop and ponder and then act, > > you just dive in. Well, I am here to ask this of Mr. Buddhamind--Is > > not that stop and pondering just as spontaneous as your " diving > > in " .Because I don't hurl myself down staircases like Trungpa did, but > > go carefully and gingerly down hanging on to the rail and testing each > > step Am I being any less spontaneous than he? > > Since you effectively beg a definition for " spontaneous " , I'll > comply with: absence of " considered behavior " . > > I relate to the point you make. As I see it, living with > complete spontaniety is to have no notion of one's own > behavior at all. One's own behavior is as much a surprise > as that of the next fellow. > > > Bill 'i'm' surprised. on reading the above, the question spontaneously arises: 'one's' behaviour? who's that 'one'? other than the other of those other fellows? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > So Buddhamind is spontaneous--you dont stop and ponder and then act, > > you just dive in. Well, I am here to ask this of Mr. Buddhamind-- Is > > not that stop and pondering just as spontaneous as your " diving > > in " .Because I don't hurl myself down staircases like Trungpa did, but > > go carefully and gingerly down hanging on to the rail and testing each > > step Am I being any less spontaneous than he? > > Since you effectively beg a definition for " spontaneous " , I'll > comply with: absence of " considered behavior " . > > I relate to the point you make. As I see it, living with > complete spontaniety is to have no notion of one's own > behavior at all. One's own behavior is as much a surprise > as that of the next fellow. > > > Bill >But we are compleletly spontaneous already and the sense of familiarity and predictableness that attaches to " our " actions arises spontaneously also.It is really a wonder, this mater of familiarity.We never see the samething twice yet almost everything seen is saturated with the sence of familiarity.It must be some function of memory--another great mystery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > So Buddhamind is spontaneous--you dont stop and ponder and then act, > > you just dive in. Well, I am here to ask this of Mr. Buddhamind-- Is > > not that stop and pondering just as spontaneous as your " diving > > in " .Because I don't hurl myself down staircases like Trungpa did, but > > go carefully and gingerly down hanging on to the rail and testing each > > step Am I being any less spontaneous than he? > > Since you effectively beg a definition for " spontaneous " , I'll > comply with: absence of " considered behavior " . > > I relate to the point you make. As I see it, living with > complete spontaniety is to have no notion of one's own > behavior at all. One's own behavior is as much a surprise > as that of the next fellow. > > > Bill >Your definition of spontaneous as absence of considered behavior-- do you think considered behavior is less spontaneous than any other behavior? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > So Buddhamind is spontaneous--you dont stop and ponder and then > act, > > > you just dive in. Well, I am here to ask this of Mr. Buddhamind-- > Is > > > not that stop and pondering just as spontaneous as your " diving > > > in " .Because I don't hurl myself down staircases like Trungpa > did, but > > > go carefully and gingerly down hanging on to the rail and > testing each > > > step Am I being any less spontaneous than he? > > > > Since you effectively beg a definition for " spontaneous " , I'll > > comply with: absence of " considered behavior " . > > > > I relate to the point you make. As I see it, living with > > complete spontaniety is to have no notion of one's own > > behavior at all. One's own behavior is as much a surprise > > as that of the next fellow. > > > > > > Bill > >But we are compleletly spontaneous already and the sense of > familiarity and predictableness that attaches to " our " actions > arises spontaneously also.It is really a wonder, this mater of > familiarity.We never see the samething twice yet almost everything > seen is saturated with the sence of familiarity.It must be some > function of memory--another great mystery. > As I said, living with complete spontaneity means one's own behavior is continual surprise. So no sense of familiarity as you refer to it. Interesting the notion of familiarity that you bring up, though. Perhaps having a " sense of oneself " is precisely in such a sense of familiarity. As if a static sort of routineness gets worn in as grooves, as ruts... taking on a kind of persistent character... which persistence is what is taken for " oneself " . However there is novelty available in every moment, perfect antidote for any " familiarity " . Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > So Buddhamind is spontaneous--you dont stop and ponder and then act, > > > you just dive in. Well, I am here to ask this of Mr. Buddhamind--Is > > > not that stop and pondering just as spontaneous as your " diving > > > in " .Because I don't hurl myself down staircases like Trungpa did, but > > > go carefully and gingerly down hanging on to the rail and testing > each > > > step Am I being any less spontaneous than he? > > > > Since you effectively beg a definition for " spontaneous " , I'll > > comply with: absence of " considered behavior " . > > > > I relate to the point you make. As I see it, living with > > complete spontaniety is to have no notion of one's own > > behavior at all. One's own behavior is as much a surprise > > as that of the next fellow. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > 'i'm' surprised. > > on reading the above, > > the question spontaneously arises: > > 'one's' behaviour? > > who's that 'one'? > > other than the other of those other fellows? > > .b b.b. > Just provisional speech. " ...living with complete spontaniety is to have no notion of one's own behavior at all. ... " does not entail a sense of " oneself " sans behavior, nor even a sense of " oneself " at all. There is no " one " , there are no " other fellows " . For more on this see: Nisargadatta/message/53460 Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > So Buddhamind is spontaneous--you dont stop and ponder and then > act, > > > > you just dive in. Well, I am here to ask this of Mr. Buddhamind--Is > > > > not that stop and pondering just as spontaneous as your " diving > > > > in " .Because I don't hurl myself down staircases like Trungpa > did, but > > > > go carefully and gingerly down hanging on to the rail and testing > > each > > > > step Am I being any less spontaneous than he? > > > > > > Since you effectively beg a definition for " spontaneous " , I'll > > > comply with: absence of " considered behavior " . > > > > > > I relate to the point you make. As I see it, living with > > > complete spontaniety is to have no notion of one's own > > > behavior at all. One's own behavior is as much a surprise > > > as that of the next fellow. > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > 'i'm' surprised. > > > > on reading the above, > > > > the question spontaneously arises: > > > > 'one's' behaviour? > > > > who's that 'one'? > > > > other than the other of those other fellows? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Just provisional speech. > " ...living with complete spontaniety is to have no notion > of one's own behavior at all. ... " does not entail > a sense of " oneself " sans behavior, nor even a sense of > " oneself " at all. > > There is no " one " , there are no " other fellows " . > > For more on this see: > Nisargadatta/message/53460 > > Bill oh...i thought you said: " One's own behavior is as much a surprise as that of the next fellow " . i just sort of assumed that the 'next fellow' was an 'other fellow', but you would know better in this regard. since there is no 'one', and no 'other fellow', who is it that acts with spontaneity? who is it that has this weird 'sense'(or non-sense) of 'no one at all'? for more on this...give it some thought. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > So Buddhamind is spontaneous--you dont stop and ponder and then act, > > you just dive in. Well, I am here to ask this of Mr. Buddhamind--Is > > not that stop and pondering just as spontaneous as your " diving > > in " .Because I don't hurl myself down staircases like Trungpa did, but > > go carefully and gingerly down hanging on to the rail and testing each > > step Am I being any less spontaneous than he? > > Since you effectively beg a definition for " spontaneous " , I'll > comply with: absence of " considered behavior " . > > I relate to the point you make. As I see it, living with > complete spontaniety is to have no notion of one's own > behavior at all. One's own behavior is as much a surprise > as that of the next fellow. > > > Bill > yeah, so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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