the awareness is the 'I'

[Guest guest]

A visitor asked about the three methods mentioned in Ramana Gita - Chapter II.

 

Maharshi pointed out that breath-retention is an aid to control of mind, i.e.,

suppression or annihilation of thoughts. One person may practise breath-control,

inhalation, exhalation and retention or retention only. Still another type of

practising meditator, on controlling the mind, controls the breath and its

retention automatically results. Watching the inhalation and exhalation is also

breath-control. These methods are only apparently three-fold. They are in fact

really one, because they lead to the same goal. They are however differently

adopted according to the stage of the aspirant and his antecedent predisposition

or tendencies. Really there are only two methods: enquiry and devotion. One

leads to the other.

 

Disciple: Seeking the 'I' there is nothing to be seen.

 

M.: Because you are accustomed to identify yourself with the body and sight with

the eyes, therefore, you say you do not see anything. What is there to be seen?

Who is to see? How to see? There is only one consciousness which, manifesting as

'I-thought', identifies itself with the body, projects itself through the eyes

and sees the objects around. The individual is limited in the waking state and

expects to see something different. The evidence of his senses will be the seal

of authority. But he will not admit that the seer, the seen and the sight are

all manifestations of the same consciousness - namely, 'I-I'. Contemplation

helps one to overcome the illusion that the Self must be visual. In truth, there

is nothing visual. How do you feel the 'I' now? Do you hold a mirror before you

to know your own being? The awareness is the 'I'. Realise it and that is the

truth.

 

D.: On enquiry into the origin of thoughts there is a perception of 'I'. But it

does not satisfy me.

 

M.: Quite right. The perception of 'I' is associated with a form, maybe the

body. There should be nothing associated with the pure Self. The Self is the

unassociated, pure Reality, in whose light, the body, the ego, etc. shine. On

stilling all thoughts the pure consciousness remains over. Just on waking from

sleep and before becoming aware of the world there is that pure 'I-I'. Hold to

it without sleeping or without allowing thoughts to possess you. If that is held

firm it does not matter even though the world is seen. The seer remains

unaffected by the phenomena.

 

Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Grant " <g-ssummerville wrote:

>

> A visitor asked about the three methods mentioned in Ramana Gita -

Chapter II.

>

> Maharshi pointed out that breath-retention is an aid to control of

mind, i.e., suppression or annihilation of thoughts. One person may

practise breath-control, inhalation, exhalation and retention or

retention only. Still another type of practising meditator, on

controlling the mind, controls the breath and its retention

automatically results. Watching the inhalation and exhalation is also

breath-control. These methods are only apparently three-fold. They are

in fact really one, because they lead to the same goal. They are

however differently adopted according to the stage of the aspirant and

his antecedent predisposition or tendencies. Really there are only two

methods: enquiry and devotion. One leads to the other.

>

> Disciple: Seeking the 'I' there is nothing to be seen.

>

> M.: Because you are accustomed to identify yourself with the body

and sight with the eyes, therefore, you say you do not see anything.

What is there to be seen? Who is to see? How to see? There is only one

consciousness which, manifesting as 'I-thought', identifies itself

with the body, projects itself through the eyes and sees the objects

around. The individual is limited in the waking state and expects to

see something different. The evidence of his senses will be the seal

of authority. But he will not admit that the seer, the seen and the

sight are all manifestations of the same consciousness - namely,

'I-I'. Contemplation helps one to overcome the illusion that the Self

must be visual. In truth, there is nothing visual. How do you feel the

'I' now? Do you hold a mirror before you to know your own being? The

awareness is the 'I'. Realise it and that is the truth.

>

> D.: On enquiry into the origin of thoughts there is a perception of

'I'. But it does not satisfy me.

>

> M.: Quite right. The perception of 'I' is associated with a form,

maybe the body. There should be nothing associated with the pure Self.

The Self is the unassociated, pure Reality, in whose light, the body,

the ego, etc. shine. On stilling all thoughts the pure consciousness

remains over. Just on waking from sleep and before becoming aware of

the world there is that pure 'I-I'. Hold to it without sleeping or

without allowing thoughts to possess you. If that is held firm it does

not matter even though the world is seen. The seer remains unaffected

by the phenomena.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the reader is unaffected by this phenomenon.

 

 

ramana followers seem to be very affected though.

 

 

bless their little souls.

 

 

..b b.b.

[Guest guest]

" ...control of mind, i.e., suppression or annihilation of

thoughts.... "

 

I am one ego, here to tell other egos, that it is the height of

stupidity to think they can suppress or annihilate their thoughts.

The mind cannot be controlled for more than a temporary amount of

time before it begins to operate on automatic like it is designed to

do. By the end of all things human, it will cease to operate; it will

die. Yes, the death of ego is real. Very real, indeed. Hehehe....

 

Silver

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Grant " <g-ssummerville

wrote:

>

> A visitor asked about the three methods mentioned in Ramana Gita -

Chapter II.

>

> Maharshi pointed out that breath-retention is an aid to control of

mind, i.e., suppression or annihilation of thoughts. One person may

practise breath-control, inhalation, exhalation and retention or

retention only. Still another type of practising meditator, on

controlling the mind, controls the breath and its retention

automatically results. Watching the inhalation and exhalation is also

breath-control. These methods are only apparently three-fold. They

are in fact really one, because they lead to the same goal. They are

however differently adopted according to the stage of the aspirant

and his antecedent predisposition or tendencies. Really there are

only two methods: enquiry and devotion. One leads to the other.

>

> Disciple: Seeking the 'I' there is nothing to be seen.

>

> M.: Because you are accustomed to identify yourself with the body

and sight with the eyes, therefore, you say you do not see anything.

What is there to be seen? Who is to see? How to see? There is only

one consciousness which, manifesting as 'I-thought', identifies

itself with the body, projects itself through the eyes and sees the

objects around. The individual is limited in the waking state and

expects to see something different. The evidence of his senses will

be the seal of authority. But he will not admit that the seer, the

seen and the sight are all manifestations of the same consciousness -

namely, 'I-I'. Contemplation helps one to overcome the illusion that

the Self must be visual. In truth, there is nothing visual. How do

you feel the 'I' now? Do you hold a mirror before you to know your

own being? The awareness is the 'I'. Realise it and that is the truth.

>

> D.: On enquiry into the origin of thoughts there is a perception

of 'I'. But it does not satisfy me.

>

> M.: Quite right. The perception of 'I' is associated with a form,

maybe the body. There should be nothing associated with the pure

Self. The Self is the unassociated, pure Reality, in whose light, the

body, the ego, etc. shine. On stilling all thoughts the pure

consciousness remains over. Just on waking from sleep and before

becoming aware of the world there is that pure 'I-I'. Hold to it

without sleeping or without allowing thoughts to possess you. If that

is held firm it does not matter even though the world is seen. The

seer remains unaffected by the phenomena.

>

> Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Silver " <silver wrote:

>

> " ...control of mind, i.e., suppression or annihilation of

> thoughts.... "

>

> I am one ego, here to tell other egos, that it is the height of

> stupidity to think they can suppress or annihilate their thoughts.

> The mind cannot be controlled for more than a temporary amount of

> time before it begins to operate on automatic like it is designed

to

> do. By the end of all things human, it will cease to operate; it

will

> die. Yes, the death of ego is real. Very real, indeed. Hehehe....

>

> Silver

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Grant " <g-ssummerville@>

> wrote:

> >

> > A visitor asked about the three methods mentioned in Ramana

Gita -

> Chapter II.

> >

> > Maharshi pointed out that breath-retention is an aid to control

of

> mind, i.e., suppression or annihilation of thoughts. One person

may

> practise breath-control, inhalation, exhalation and retention or

> retention only. Still another type of practising meditator, on

> controlling the mind, controls the breath and its retention

> automatically results. Watching the inhalation and exhalation is

also

> breath-control. These methods are only apparently three-fold. They

> are in fact really one, because they lead to the same goal. They

are

> however differently adopted according to the stage of the aspirant

> and his antecedent predisposition or tendencies. Really there are

> only two methods: enquiry and devotion. One leads to the other.

> >

> > Disciple: Seeking the 'I' there is nothing to be seen.

> >

> > M.: Because you are accustomed to identify yourself with the

body

> and sight with the eyes, therefore, you say you do not see

anything.

> What is there to be seen? Who is to see? How to see? There is only

> one consciousness which, manifesting as 'I-thought', identifies

> itself with the body, projects itself through the eyes and sees

the

> objects around. The individual is limited in the waking state and

> expects to see something different. The evidence of his senses

will

> be the seal of authority. But he will not admit that the seer, the

> seen and the sight are all manifestations of the same

consciousness -

> namely, 'I-I'. Contemplation helps one to overcome the illusion

that

> the Self must be visual. In truth, there is nothing visual. How do

> you feel the 'I' now? Do you hold a mirror before you to know your

> own being? The awareness is the 'I'. Realise it and that is the

truth.

> >

> > D.: On enquiry into the origin of thoughts there is a perception

> of 'I'. But it does not satisfy me.

> >

> > M.: Quite right. The perception of 'I' is associated with a

form,

> maybe the body. There should be nothing associated with the pure

> Self. The Self is the unassociated, pure Reality, in whose light,

the

> body, the ego, etc. shine. On stilling all thoughts the pure

> consciousness remains over. Just on waking from sleep and before

> becoming aware of the world there is that pure 'I-I'. Hold to it

> without sleeping or without allowing thoughts to possess you. If

that

> is held firm it does not matter even though the world is seen. The

> seer remains unaffected by the phenomena.

> >

> > Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes, old, blah and boring!

 

:-)

 

Silver

 

Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Silver " <silver@> wrote:

> >

> > " ...control of mind, i.e., suppression or annihilation of

> > thoughts.... "

> >

> > I am one ego, here to tell other egos, that it is the height of

> > stupidity to think they can suppress or annihilate their

thoughts.

> > The mind cannot be controlled for more than a temporary amount of

> > time before it begins to operate on automatic like it is designed

> to

> > do. By the end of all things human, it will cease to operate; it

> will

> > die. Yes, the death of ego is real. Very real, indeed. Hehehe....

> >

> > Silver

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Grant " <g-ssummerville@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > A visitor asked about the three methods mentioned in Ramana

> Gita -

> > Chapter II.

> > >

> > > Maharshi pointed out that breath-retention is an aid to control

> of

> > mind, i.e., suppression or annihilation of thoughts. One person

> may

> > practise breath-control, inhalation, exhalation and retention or

> > retention only. Still another type of practising meditator, on

> > controlling the mind, controls the breath and its retention

> > automatically results. Watching the inhalation and exhalation is

> also

> > breath-control. These methods are only apparently three-fold.

They

> > are in fact really one, because they lead to the same goal. They

> are

> > however differently adopted according to the stage of the

aspirant

> > and his antecedent predisposition or tendencies. Really there are

> > only two methods: enquiry and devotion. One leads to the other.

> > >

> > > Disciple: Seeking the 'I' there is nothing to be seen.

> > >

> > > M.: Because you are accustomed to identify yourself with the

> body

> > and sight with the eyes, therefore, you say you do not see

> anything.

> > What is there to be seen? Who is to see? How to see? There is

only

> > one consciousness which, manifesting as 'I-thought', identifies

> > itself with the body, projects itself through the eyes and sees

> the

> > objects around. The individual is limited in the waking state and

> > expects to see something different. The evidence of his senses

> will

> > be the seal of authority. But he will not admit that the seer,

the

> > seen and the sight are all manifestations of the same

> consciousness -

> > namely, 'I-I'. Contemplation helps one to overcome the illusion

> that

> > the Self must be visual. In truth, there is nothing visual. How

do

> > you feel the 'I' now? Do you hold a mirror before you to know

your

> > own being? The awareness is the 'I'. Realise it and that is the

> truth.

> > >

> > > D.: On enquiry into the origin of thoughts there is a

perception

> > of 'I'. But it does not satisfy me.

> > >

> > > M.: Quite right. The perception of 'I' is associated with a

> form,

> > maybe the body. There should be nothing associated with the pure

> > Self. The Self is the unassociated, pure Reality, in whose light,

> the

> > body, the ego, etc. shine. On stilling all thoughts the pure

> > consciousness remains over. Just on waking from sleep and before

> > becoming aware of the world there is that pure 'I-I'. Hold to it

> > without sleeping or without allowing thoughts to possess you. If

> that

> > is held firm it does not matter even though the world is seen.

The

> > seer remains unaffected by the phenomena.

> > >

> > > Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi

> > >

> > >

> > >