Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 All events, including human actions are caused by an unbroken chain of prior occurrences. No utterly random event can occur. There exists no immaterial soul....spirit....of self that can override the chain of causation. If there in no self........what does that say about its warehouse of beliefs? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > All events, including human actions are caused by an unbroken chain of > prior occurrences. > > No utterly random event can occur. > > There exists no immaterial soul....spirit....of self that can override > the chain of causation. > > If there in no self........what does that say about its warehouse of > beliefs? > > > toombaru ;-) i'd say this is situational ethics.. but there is no situation. so i will remain mute. i'm not here anyway. there is no here. so... there. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: All events, including human actions are caused by an unbroken chain of prior occurrences. No utterly random event can occur. There exists no immaterial soul....spirit....of self that can override the chain of causation. If there in no self........what does that say about its warehouse of beliefs? toombaru --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > All events, including human actions are caused by an unbroken chain of > prior occurrences. > > No utterly random event can occur. > > There exists no immaterial soul....spirit....of self that can override > the chain of causation. > > If there in no self........what does that say about its warehouse of > beliefs? > > > toombaru The unbroken chain includes all future occurrences as well. Hence, there is no cause. The chain includes every event in every other event. Being clear on this, one opens to/as the acausal. All manifestation, past, present, and future is seamless. Thoughts about determination, free will, randomness, purpose, chaos, order -- all drop away. All such thoughts are interpretations based on a point of view. There is no point from which to view this unbroken chain as it is. Or, you could say, all points from which it is viewed depend on fragmenting what isn't fragmented, fixing what has no fixation point. -- D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > All events, including human actions are caused by an unbroken chain of > > prior occurrences. > > > > No utterly random event can occur. > > > > There exists no immaterial soul....spirit....of self that can override > > the chain of causation. > > > > If there in no self........what does that say about its warehouse of > > beliefs? > > > > > > toombaru > > The unbroken chain includes all future occurrences as well. > > Hence, there is no cause. > > The chain includes every event in every other event. > > Being clear on this, one opens to/as the acausal. > > All manifestation, past, present, and future is seamless. > > Thoughts about determination, free will, randomness, purpose, chaos, > order -- all drop away. All such thoughts are interpretations based > on a point of view. > > There is no point from which to view this unbroken chain as it is. There appears to be a mysterious standing up available......a tipping up of the center of perception from in the flowingness ......a view from the vertical...that is not easily translated into horizontal terms. The result of even the smallest glimpse.....is a cartharsis in which the known world is forever changed. One " circles up over the orb " ....and .............. ........well..........you know..... toombaru > > Or, you could say, all points from which it is viewed depend on > fragmenting what isn't fragmented, fixing what has no fixation point. > > -- D. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All events, including human actions are caused by an unbroken chain of > > > prior occurrences. > > > > > > No utterly random event can occur. > > > > > > There exists no immaterial soul....spirit....of self that can override > > > the chain of causation. > > > > > > If there in no self........what does that say about its warehouse of > > > beliefs? > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > The unbroken chain includes all future occurrences as well. > > > > Hence, there is no cause. > > > > The chain includes every event in every other event. > > > > Being clear on this, one opens to/as the acausal. > > > > All manifestation, past, present, and future is seamless. > > > > Thoughts about determination, free will, randomness, purpose, chaos, > > order -- all drop away. All such thoughts are interpretations based > > on a point of view. > > > > There is no point from which to view this unbroken chain as it is. > > There appears to be a mysterious standing up available......a tipping > up of the center of perception from in the flowingness ......a view > from the vertical...that is not easily translated into horizontal terms. > > > The result of even the smallest glimpse.....is a cartharsis in which > the known world is forever changed. > > One " circles up over the orb " ....and .............. > > > > .......well..........you know..... > > > toombaru like the circle rising above flatland. but flatland doesn't change. it forever remains flat and two dimensional. but for the circle which has become a three dimensional globe..the restrictions of the flatland are seen.this changes nothing in the nature of the flat-world. and for the ovoid the only aspect that's changed is it's new found ability to understand what it always has been. aside from that it remains stuck in a three dimensional world as a three dimensional object...until time is allowed in the equation. now a fourth degree of particularization and designation of realization arises. this too is but a weigh-station on a pathless and never-ending journey. a journey of no one. a journey of no fixed destination or beginning or end. the 'catharsis' you speak of is but a juvenile and preschool like changing of dimensional awareness. a good first step into the flowing. ..b b.b. > > > > > > > Or, you could say, all points from which it is viewed depend on > > fragmenting what isn't fragmented, fixing what has no fixation point. > > > > -- D. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All events, including human actions are caused by an unbroken > chain of > > > > prior occurrences. > > > > > > > > No utterly random event can occur. > > > > > > > > There exists no immaterial soul....spirit....of self that can > override > > > > the chain of causation. > > > > > > > > If there in no self........what does that say about its warehouse of > > > > beliefs? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > The unbroken chain includes all future occurrences as well. > > > > > > Hence, there is no cause. > > > > > > The chain includes every event in every other event. > > > > > > Being clear on this, one opens to/as the acausal. > > > > > > All manifestation, past, present, and future is seamless. > > > > > > Thoughts about determination, free will, randomness, purpose, chaos, > > > order -- all drop away. All such thoughts are interpretations based > > > on a point of view. > > > > > > There is no point from which to view this unbroken chain as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There appears to be a mysterious standing up available......a tipping > > up of the center of perception from in the flowingness ......a view > > from the vertical...that is not easily translated into horizontal terms. > > > > > > The result of even the smallest glimpse.....is a cartharsis in which > > the known world is forever changed. > > > > One " circles up over the orb " ....and .............. > > > > > > > > .......well..........you know..... > > > > > > toombaru > > > > like the circle rising above flatland. but flatland doesn't change. it > forever remains flat and two dimensional. but for the circle which has > become a three dimensional globe..the restrictions of the flatland are > seen.this changes nothing in the nature of the flat-world. and for the > ovoid the only aspect that's changed is it's new found ability to > understand what it always has been. aside from that it remains stuck > in a three dimensional world as a three dimensional object...until > time is allowed in the equation. now a fourth degree of > particularization and designation of realization arises. this too is > but a weigh-station on a pathless and never-ending journey. a journey > of no one. a journey of no fixed destination or beginning or end. the > 'catharsis' you speak of is but a juvenile and preschool like changing > of dimensional awareness. a good first step into the flowing. > > .b b.b. > > > > A journey without a beginning or an end does not have a hierarchy of changing dimensions in awareness. toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or, you could say, all points from which it is viewed depend on > > > fragmenting what isn't fragmented, fixing what has no fixation point. > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All events, including human actions are caused by an unbroken > > chain of > > > > > prior occurrences. > > > > > > > > > > No utterly random event can occur. > > > > > > > > > > There exists no immaterial soul....spirit....of self that can > > override > > > > > the chain of causation. > > > > > > > > > > If there in no self........what does that say about its > warehouse of > > > > > beliefs? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > The unbroken chain includes all future occurrences as well. > > > > > > > > Hence, there is no cause. > > > > > > > > The chain includes every event in every other event. > > > > > > > > Being clear on this, one opens to/as the acausal. > > > > > > > > All manifestation, past, present, and future is seamless. > > > > > > > > Thoughts about determination, free will, randomness, purpose, chaos, > > > > order -- all drop away. All such thoughts are interpretations based > > > > on a point of view. > > > > > > > > There is no point from which to view this unbroken chain as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There appears to be a mysterious standing up available......a tipping > > > up of the center of perception from in the flowingness ......a view > > > from the vertical...that is not easily translated into horizontal > terms. > > > > > > > > > The result of even the smallest glimpse.....is a cartharsis in which > > > the known world is forever changed. > > > > > > One " circles up over the orb " ....and .............. > > > > > > > > > > > > .......well..........you know..... > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > like the circle rising above flatland. but flatland doesn't change. it > > forever remains flat and two dimensional. but for the circle which has > > become a three dimensional globe..the restrictions of the flatland are > > seen.this changes nothing in the nature of the flat-world. and for the > > ovoid the only aspect that's changed is it's new found ability to > > understand what it always has been. aside from that it remains stuck > > in a three dimensional world as a three dimensional object...until > > time is allowed in the equation. now a fourth degree of > > particularization and designation of realization arises. this too is > > but a weigh-station on a pathless and never-ending journey. a journey > > of no one. a journey of no fixed destination or beginning or end. the > > 'catharsis' you speak of is but a juvenile and preschool like changing > > of dimensional awareness. a good first step into the flowing. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > A journey without a beginning or an end does not have a hierarchy of > changing dimensions in awareness. > > > toombaru you are wrong. inexperienced and wrong. but that inexperience allows for an excuse for your limited vision. would you care for the transfinite proof as to why you are wrong? it's really quite old math and of no great shakes to most mid matriculated math students. and the several proofs are not only elegant and compelling...they all are dimensionally speaking irrefutable, undeniable and absolute in conclusion. it was you who brought up the vertical and horizontal and thereby invoke without condition a mathematical treatment to your hypothesis. and you are simply uninformed and incorrect. that's ok too. it can be a difficult truth to come to grips with. best just stick with the cutesy metaphors.. wrong though they may be. ..b b.b. nnb > > > > Or, you could say, all points from which it is viewed depend on > > > > fragmenting what isn't fragmented, fixing what has no fixation > point. > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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