Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 I came across something from Tony Parsons: Awareness of life happening is not the same as " being life " . He is saying that watching thoughts, etc happening--and being aware that they are not you--is not the same as , well, as being life.There seems to be something important being said here but I am not getting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > I came across something from Tony Parsons: Awareness of life happening > is not the same as " being life " . He is saying that watching thoughts, > etc happening--and being aware that they are not you--is not the same > as , well, as being life.There seems to be something important being > said here but I am not getting it. that's what the tony parsons of the world want exactly. if you ever 'get' the unimportance of the bullshit they spout... they are out of business for you. it's constant crap that sells books and tapes and creates delirious followers who don't quite 'get' what they are attempting to say (but never get around to actually doing so), and who think 'them' as some sort of enlightened folk. they are writers of fiction and not such good fiction either. don't look to the tonys for anything but tonys...that is all they offer...along with lots of multi-media items for sale. if they are so sure that this is all illusion and that they also have track on the real stuff...let them get off their ass and end the charade and just go to the better 'life'....who needs to make money to survive in a dream? and it's a bit silly to be telling all your secret information to yourself hiding as aspects known as 'others'. how stupid and psycho can it get? although i'd say tony's awareness of others and being life and being aware of life and setting up those satsangs and the newsletters and the communications with self as other and all that stuff and such is somewhat amusing. just look at his work as comedy and you'll be off to the races. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > I came across something from Tony Parsons: Awareness of life happening > is not the same as " being life " . He is saying that watching thoughts, > etc happening--and being aware that they are not you--is not the same > as , well, as being life.There seems to be something important being > said here but I am not getting it. If you watch his hand-gesture when he says: " there is only this: Liveness " you'll get it..imo <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMa4cAlnwjw> Era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 That's because there is nothing there to get. Period. Silver Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > I came across something from Tony Parsons: Awareness of life happening > is not the same as " being life " . He is saying that watching thoughts, > etc happening--and being aware that they are not you--is not the same > as , well, as being life.There seems to be something important being > said here but I am not getting it. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > I came across something from Tony Parsons: Awareness of life happening > > is not the same as " being life " . He is saying that watching thoughts, > > etc happening--and being aware that they are not you--is not the same > > as , well, as being life.There seems to be something important being > > said here but I am not getting it. > Mind baits itself with combinations of words that seem to offer the possibility of resolving the conundrum that is the mind itself. It searches the bone yard for signs of Life. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > I came across something from Tony Parsons: Awareness of life happening > > is not the same as " being life " . He is saying that watching thoughts, > > etc happening--and being aware that they are not you--is not the same > > as , well, as being life.There seems to be something important being > > said here but I am not getting it. > > > that's what the tony parsons of the world want exactly. if you ever > 'get' the unimportance of the bullshit they spout... they are out of > business for you. it's constant crap that sells books and tapes and > creates delirious followers who don't quite 'get' what they are > attempting to say (but never get around to actually doing so), and who > think 'them' as some sort of enlightened folk. they are writers of > fiction and not such good fiction either. don't look to the tonys for > anything but tonys...that is all they offer...along with lots of > multi-media items for sale. if they are so sure that this is all > illusion and that they also have track on the real stuff...let them > get off their ass and end the charade and just go to the better > 'life'....who needs to make money to survive in a dream? and it's a > bit silly to be telling all your secret information to yourself hiding > as aspects known as 'others'. how stupid and psycho can it get? > although i'd say tony's awareness of others and being life and being > aware of life and setting up those satsangs and the newsletters and > the communications with self as other and all that stuff and such is > somewhat amusing. just look at his work as comedy and you'll be off to > the races. > > > .b b.b I don't like the entrepreneurs and hucksters either and this guy may be one--I don't take any of them at face value but if something is said that stops me--well that seems worth investigating.I don't care who the guy is--he could have a hurdygurdy and a monkey for all I care--if he says something that reaches me, well, I look into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > I came across something from Tony Parsons: Awareness of life > happening > > > is not the same as " being life " . He is saying that watching > thoughts, > > > etc happening--and being aware that they are not you--is not the > same > > > as , well, as being life.There seems to be something important > being > > > said here but I am not getting it. > > > > > > that's what the tony parsons of the world want exactly. if you ever > > 'get' the unimportance of the bullshit they spout... they are out > of > > business for you. it's constant crap that sells books and tapes and > > creates delirious followers who don't quite 'get' what they are > > attempting to say (but never get around to actually doing so), and > who > > think 'them' as some sort of enlightened folk. they are writers of > > fiction and not such good fiction either. don't look to the tonys > for > > anything but tonys...that is all they offer...along with lots of > > multi-media items for sale. if they are so sure that this is all > > illusion and that they also have track on the real stuff...let them > > get off their ass and end the charade and just go to the better > > 'life'....who needs to make money to survive in a dream? and it's a > > bit silly to be telling all your secret information to yourself > hiding > > as aspects known as 'others'. how stupid and psycho can it get? > > although i'd say tony's awareness of others and being life and > being > > aware of life and setting up those satsangs and the newsletters and > > the communications with self as other and all that stuff and such > is > > somewhat amusing. just look at his work as comedy and you'll be > off to > > the races. > > > > > > .b b.b > I don't like the entrepreneurs and hucksters either and this guy may > be one--I don't take any of them at face value but if something is > said that stops me--well that seems worth investigating.I don't care > who the guy is--he could have a hurdygurdy and a monkey for all I > care--if he says something that reaches me, well, I look into it. i'd look into your own reply. it has more value than a million parsons, nizzies, popes,or potentates. and it is your very own reply that will really stop you. stoping 'you' is really the only needful thing. 'you' will finally agree that 'you' are forever and always 'out of reach'.. until you are not there to be reached. and as he said..there are no different 'ones'... there is absolutely no sane reason to feel 'they' have 'reached' 'you'.. where from? with what? who else? who cares? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > I came across something from Tony Parsons: Awareness of life happening > is not the same as " being life " . He is saying that watching thoughts, > etc happening--and being aware that they are not you--is not the same > as , well, as being life.There seems to be something important being > said here but I am not getting it. It can be freeing to just witness... it can be a good " practice " ... but to witness is still duality. The power of witnessing comes from *not feeding the fire*. Eventually when futility of effort is seen there is surrender/collapse of the edifice of effort... And then something else comes... which is spontaneous... effortless... not bounded not bound Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > I came across something from Tony Parsons: Awareness of life > happening > > > is not the same as " being life " . He is saying that watching thoughts, > > > etc happening--and being aware that they are not you--is not the same > > > as , well, as being life.There seems to be something important being > > > said here but I am not getting it. > > > > > > If you watch his hand-gesture when he says: " there is only this: > > Liveness " you'll get it..imo > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMa4cAlnwjw> > > > > Era > > > > > What we don't know my beautiful friend, is the beauty we always > already are, the love that shines through us as us. Our parents, our > education our sex, our ethnicity and geography have distorted our true > and simple human nature: we already are perfect and lovely. > > If we really really really knew that through and through, there would > be no fear, no hate and no war to prove anything. For there was and > is nothing to prove. Without having anything to prove we share what is. > > > the peaceful river of I am > flows through us, > a deep well > for those who thirst, > manna from heaven > for those who hunger, > > no one is there, > but the reflection of a mirror > that no longer exists. > > > Love, > Anna > > > HI HO SILVER AND AWAY!!! (Welcome back!!) *************** Hi Anna, Thank you. This body-mind behind the words, Silent and silver, Doesn't say much nowdays. The mouth has contracted, The heart has expanded, The eyes have grown weary, Everything's a bit blurry. It sits also in front of the words, Noisy and silver, too, Says whatever it wants to. Whatever comes to mind. For the sake of knowing it's still awake. For the sake of others knowing it's still here. Silver > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > I came across something from Tony Parsons: Awareness of life happening > > is not the same as " being life " . He is saying that watching thoughts, > > etc happening--and being aware that they are not you--is not the same > > as , well, as being life.There seems to be something important being > > said here but I am not getting it. > > It can be freeing to just witness... it can be a good > " practice " ... but to witness is still duality. > > The power of witnessing comes from *not feeding the fire*. > > Eventually when futility of effort is seen there is > surrender/collapse of the edifice of effort... > > And then something else comes... Nothing comes.......It is already always present. toombaru > > which is spontaneous... effortless... > > not bounded > > not bound > > > Bill > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Silver " <silver wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I came across something from Tony Parsons: Awareness of life > > happening > > > > is not the same as " being life " . He is saying that watching > thoughts, > > > > etc happening--and being aware that they are not you--is not > the same > > > > as , well, as being life.There seems to be something important > being > > > > said here but I am not getting it. > > > > > > > > > If you watch his hand-gesture when he says: " there is only this: > > > Liveness " you'll get it..imo > > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMa4cAlnwjw> > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > What we don't know my beautiful friend, is the beauty we always > > already are, the love that shines through us as us. Our parents, > our > > education our sex, our ethnicity and geography have distorted our > true > > and simple human nature: we already are perfect and lovely. > > > > If we really really really knew that through and through, there > would > > be no fear, no hate and no war to prove anything. For there was and > > is nothing to prove. Without having anything to prove we share > what is. > > > > > > the peaceful river of I am > > flows through us, > > a deep well > > for those who thirst, > > manna from heaven > > for those who hunger, > > > > no one is there, > > but the reflection of a mirror > > that no longer exists. > > > > > > Love, > > Anna > > > > > > HI HO SILVER AND AWAY!!! (Welcome back!!) > *************** > Hi Anna, > > Thank you. > > This body-mind behind the words, > Silent and silver, > Doesn't say much nowdays. > The mouth has contracted, > The heart has expanded, > The eyes have grown weary, > Everything's a bit blurry. > > It sits also in front of the words, > Noisy and silver, too, > Says whatever it wants to. > Whatever comes to mind. > For the sake of knowing > it's still awake. > For the sake of others > knowing it's still here. > > Silver > > > a bow.... Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Mind baits itself with combinations of words that seem to offer the > possibility of resolving the conundrum that is the mind itself. > > > It searches the bone yard for signs of Life. > > > toombaru Yes! And body/mind tries to get experiences that seem to offer relief from the stress of the conundrum that is its being itself. --D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > Mind baits itself with combinations of words that seem to offer the > > possibility of resolving the conundrum that is the mind itself. > > > > > > It searches the bone yard for signs of Life. > > > > > > toombaru > > Yes! > > And body/mind tries to get experiences that seem to offer relief from > the stress of the conundrum that is its being itself. > > --D. > .......and being itself includes the attempt to seek relief. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Mind baits itself with combinations of words that seem to offer the > > > possibility of resolving the conundrum that is the mind itself. > > > > > > > > > It searches the bone yard for signs of Life. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Yes! > > > > And body/mind tries to get experiences that seem to offer relief from > > the stress of the conundrum that is its being itself. > > > > --D. > > > > > ......and being itself includes the attempt to seek relief. > > > toombaru ..... and the attempt to have something from which relief could be sought. -- D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Mind baits itself with combinations of words that seem to offer the > > > possibility of resolving the conundrum that is the mind itself. > > > > > > > > > It searches the bone yard for signs of Life. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Yes! > > > > And body/mind tries to get experiences that seem to offer relief from > > the stress of the conundrum that is its being itself. > > > > --D. > > > > > ......and being itself includes the attempt to seek relief. > > > toombaru arise! crutches are needed only by cripples. who is so lame or maimed? it is false belief that leads you here. relief from what? games created and played by that which is? tune in and drop out. turning on to the truth. throw down that white cane and SEE! this 'seeking' IS thyself. find that and drop the stupid search. Here we seek not... Here we look for nothing..relief or other... Here there are no cunundrums... Here IS LIFE. Here 'being' is but another nonsense term for 'word made flesh' were this not True, we would have told you so. for thee are we... and we cherish our child found in thou. blessings and understanding are our gifts. not everyone gets a present. that's life. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Mind baits itself with combinations of words that seem to offer the > > > > possibility of resolving the conundrum that is the mind itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > It searches the bone yard for signs of Life. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Yes! > > > > > > And body/mind tries to get experiences that seem to offer relief from > > > the stress of the conundrum that is its being itself. > > > > > > --D. > > > > > > > > > ......and being itself includes the attempt to seek relief. > > > > > > toombaru > > .... and the attempt to have something from which relief could be sought. > > -- D. > Hello Mr. Echer. :-)(-: t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind baits itself with combinations of words that seem to > offer the > > > > > possibility of resolving the conundrum that is the mind itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It searches the bone yard for signs of Life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > Yes! > > > > > > > > And body/mind tries to get experiences that seem to offer relief > from > > > > the stress of the conundrum that is its being itself. > > > > > > > > --D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......and being itself includes the attempt to seek relief. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > .... and the attempt to have something from which relief could be > sought. > > > > -- D. > > > > > > Hello Mr. Echer. > > > :-)(-: > > > > t. > gentlemen, tempting happens.... ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Hello Mr. Echer. > > > :-)(-: > > > > t. Yes. Quite so. " Hello, Mr. Escher, " said the Cheshire Cat. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > I came across something from Tony Parsons: Awareness of life > happening > > > is not the same as " being life " . He is saying that watching thoughts, > > > etc happening--and being aware that they are not you--is not the same > > > as , well, as being life.There seems to be something important being > > > said here but I am not getting it. > > > > It can be freeing to just witness... it can be a good > > " practice " ... but to witness is still duality. > > > > The power of witnessing comes from *not feeding the fire*. > > > > Eventually when futility of effort is seen there is > > surrender/collapse of the edifice of effort... > > > > And then something else comes... > > > Nothing comes.......It is already always present. > > > toombaru > > it is only " already always present " when realized as such. Prior it is as if not there at all. By " something else comes " is meant that there is an emergence into awareness that occurs with the dropping of effort... eventually... From alpha to omega there is just one " event " ... the *realization* of what has always been the case, and which is independent of appearance/disappearance within the phenomenal field. There is a *before* such realization. What " comes " is the realization. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I came across something from Tony Parsons: Awareness of life > > happening > > > > is not the same as " being life " . He is saying that watching > thoughts, > > > > etc happening--and being aware that they are not you--is not the > same > > > > as , well, as being life.There seems to be something important > being > > > > said here but I am not getting it. > > > > > > It can be freeing to just witness... it can be a good > > > " practice " ... but to witness is still duality. > > > > > > The power of witnessing comes from *not feeding the fire*. > > > > > > Eventually when futility of effort is seen there is > > > surrender/collapse of the edifice of effort... > > > > > > And then something else comes... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing comes.......It is already always present. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > it is only " already always present " when realized > as such. Prior it is as if not there at all. > > By " something else comes " is meant that there is > an emergence into awareness that occurs with the > dropping of effort... eventually... > > From alpha to omega there is just one " event " ... > the *realization* of what has always been the case, > and which is independent of appearance/disappearance > within the phenomenal field. > > There is a *before* such realization. What " comes " > is the realization. > > Bill > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I came across something from Tony Parsons: Awareness of life > > happening > > > > is not the same as " being life " . He is saying that watching > thoughts, > > > > etc happening--and being aware that they are not you--is not the > same > > > > as , well, as being life.There seems to be something important > being > > > > said here but I am not getting it. > > > > > > It can be freeing to just witness... it can be a good > > > " practice " ... but to witness is still duality. > > > > > > The power of witnessing comes from *not feeding the fire*. > > > > > > Eventually when futility of effort is seen there is > > > surrender/collapse of the edifice of effort... > > > > > > And then something else comes... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing comes.......It is already always present. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > it is only " already always present " when realized > as such. Prior it is as if not there at all. > > By " something else comes " is meant that there is > an emergence into awareness that occurs with the > dropping of effort... eventually... > > From alpha to omega there is just one " event " ... > the *realization* of what has always been the case, > and which is independent of appearance/disappearance > within the phenomenal field. > > There is a *before* such realization. What " comes " > is the realization. > > Bill you have got to be kidding! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I came across something from Tony Parsons: Awareness of life > > > happening > > > > > is not the same as " being life " . He is saying that watching > > thoughts, > > > > > etc happening--and being aware that they are not you--is not the > > same > > > > > as , well, as being life.There seems to be something important > > being > > > > > said here but I am not getting it. > > > > > > > > It can be freeing to just witness... it can be a good > > > > " practice " ... but to witness is still duality. > > > > > > > > The power of witnessing comes from *not feeding the fire*. > > > > > > > > Eventually when futility of effort is seen there is > > > > surrender/collapse of the edifice of effort... > > > > > > > > And then something else comes... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing comes.......It is already always present. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > it is only " already always present " when realized > > as such. Prior it is as if not there at all. > > > > By " something else comes " is meant that there is > > an emergence into awareness that occurs with the > > dropping of effort... eventually... > > > > From alpha to omega there is just one " event " ... > > the *realization* of what has always been the case, > > and which is independent of appearance/disappearance > > within the phenomenal field. > > > > There is a *before* such realization. What " comes " > > is the realization. > > > > Bill > > > you have got to be kidding! > > .b b.b. There is no before or after. But there is when you are conceptualizing driving a car to get to work. Before and after are Escher's relative playground. Good for linear thinking, but not the actuality of what is. Does actuality happen? Yes/no, before/after, here/there. Nonlinearly happening, Not-Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I came across something from Tony Parsons: Awareness of life > > > > happening > > > > > > is not the same as " being life " . He is saying that watching > > > thoughts, > > > > > > etc happening--and being aware that they are not you--is not the > > > same > > > > > > as , well, as being life.There seems to be something important > > > being > > > > > > said here but I am not getting it. > > > > > > > > > > It can be freeing to just witness... it can be a good > > > > > " practice " ... but to witness is still duality. > > > > > > > > > > The power of witnessing comes from *not feeding the fire*. > > > > > > > > > > Eventually when futility of effort is seen there is > > > > > surrender/collapse of the edifice of effort... > > > > > > > > > > And then something else comes... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing comes.......It is already always present. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is only " already always present " when realized > > > as such. Prior it is as if not there at all. > > > > > > By " something else comes " is meant that there is > > > an emergence into awareness that occurs with the > > > dropping of effort... eventually... > > > > > > From alpha to omega there is just one " event " ... > > > the *realization* of what has always been the case, > > > and which is independent of appearance/disappearance > > > within the phenomenal field. > > > > > > There is a *before* such realization. What " comes " > > > is the realization. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > you have got to be kidding! > > > > .b b.b. > > There is no before or after. > > But there is when you are conceptualizing driving a car to get to work. > > Before and after are Escher's relative playground. > > Good for linear thinking, but not the actuality of what is. > > Does actuality happen? > > Yes/no, before/after, here/there. > > Nonlinearly happening, > > Not-Dan :-) hey Dan! i like your new handle. it's happening! Not - .b b.b.(not) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I came across something from Tony Parsons: Awareness of life > > > > happening > > > > > > is not the same as " being life " . He is saying that watching > > > thoughts, > > > > > > etc happening--and being aware that they are not you--is not the > > > same > > > > > > as , well, as being life.There seems to be something important > > > being > > > > > > said here but I am not getting it. > > > > > > > > > > It can be freeing to just witness... it can be a good > > > > > " practice " ... but to witness is still duality. > > > > > > > > > > The power of witnessing comes from *not feeding the fire*. > > > > > > > > > > Eventually when futility of effort is seen there is > > > > > surrender/collapse of the edifice of effort... > > > > > > > > > > And then something else comes... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing comes.......It is already always present. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is only " already always present " when realized > > > as such. Prior it is as if not there at all. > > > > > > By " something else comes " is meant that there is > > > an emergence into awareness that occurs with the > > > dropping of effort... eventually... > > > > > > From alpha to omega there is just one " event " ... > > > the *realization* of what has always been the case, > > > and which is independent of appearance/disappearance > > > within the phenomenal field. > > > > > > There is a *before* such realization. What " comes " > > > is the realization. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > you have got to be kidding! > > > > .b b.b. > > There is no before or after. > > But there is when you are conceptualizing driving a car to get to work. > > Before and after are Escher's relative playground. > > Good for linear thinking, but not the actuality of what is. > > Does actuality happen? > > Yes/no, before/after, here/there. > > Nonlinearly happening, > > Not-Dan > There is no before or after. There is Before and After. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I came across something from Tony Parsons: Awareness of life > > > > > happening > > > > > > > is not the same as " being life " . He is saying that watching > > > > thoughts, > > > > > > > etc happening--and being aware that they are not you--is > not the > > > > same > > > > > > > as , well, as being life.There seems to be something important > > > > being > > > > > > > said here but I am not getting it. > > > > > > > > > > > > It can be freeing to just witness... it can be a good > > > > > > " practice " ... but to witness is still duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > The power of witnessing comes from *not feeding the fire*. > > > > > > > > > > > > Eventually when futility of effort is seen there is > > > > > > surrender/collapse of the edifice of effort... > > > > > > > > > > > > And then something else comes... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing comes.......It is already always present. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is only " already always present " when realized > > > > as such. Prior it is as if not there at all. > > > > > > > > By " something else comes " is meant that there is > > > > an emergence into awareness that occurs with the > > > > dropping of effort... eventually... > > > > > > > > From alpha to omega there is just one " event " ... > > > > the *realization* of what has always been the case, > > > > and which is independent of appearance/disappearance > > > > within the phenomenal field. > > > > > > > > There is a *before* such realization. What " comes " > > > > is the realization. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > you have got to be kidding! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > There is no before or after. > > > > But there is when you are conceptualizing driving a car to get to work. > > > > Before and after are Escher's relative playground. > > > > Good for linear thinking, but not the actuality of what is. > > > > Does actuality happen? > > > > Yes/no, before/after, here/there. > > > > Nonlinearly happening, > > > > Not-Dan > > > > There is no before or after. > > There is Before and After. > > > Bill Before is after. After is before. There is no before. There is no after. There isn't something else other than before and after. -- D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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