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No doubt those two are very useful to get by

in the world. Science was born that way. We can

imagine that as soon humans began to think

and utter meaningful sounds, they began the

task of classifying and defining things.

 

We can see that classifying plants, and animals

as edible, and dangerous would help them to

survive. It could well be that this activity was

what developed language and thinking into

the supreme tools they are. But of what use

is to classify spiritual concepts?

 

Can we really define enlightenment, and thereby,

distinguish it from awakening, or realization, or

liberation in any meaningful way, in the same

way than we can distinguish tomatoes from

potatoes?

 

Can we enumerate a set of definite qualities

that one always have, and the other lacks?

 

Can we be sure that Buddha was Awake, but

Nisargadatta only enlightened, and not really

liberated because he was a smoker to the end,

and frequently lost his temper?

 

Are these classifications useful in any way, or

are they just religious nonsense like

distinguishing angels from archangels?

 

Pete

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> Can we be sure that Buddha was Awake, but

> Nisargadatta only enlightened, and not really

> liberated because he was a smoker to the end,

> and frequently lost his temper?

 

Jesus lost his temper too, causing all that trouble and mayhem in the

money-changers corner. Turning those table upside down and shouting.

Imagine if one of us did that today? Went into a bank and started

chucking everything around. We'd be locked up that's for sure. And

What about those Zen masters, whacking people with bamboo sticks -

sometimes killing them?

 

Muhammed went to war, and Krishna encouraged Arjuna to do it too.

Frankly, I feel relieved when and enlightened one gets angry. It seems

to me that the truly enlightened don't worry about things likethat

being vegetarian, or smoking, or whatever. They have no " image " to

live up to.

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Nisargadatta , " jason_de_donno "

<jason.dedonno wrote:

>

> > Can we be sure that Buddha was Awake, but

> > Nisargadatta only enlightened, and not really

> > liberated because he was a smoker to the end,

> > and frequently lost his temper?

>

> Jesus lost his temper too, causing all that trouble and mayhem in the

> money-changers corner. Turning those table upside down and shouting.

> Imagine if one of us did that today? Went into a bank and started

> chucking everything around. We'd be locked up that's for sure. And

> What about those Zen masters, whacking people with bamboo sticks -

> sometimes killing them?

>

> Muhammed went to war, and Krishna encouraged Arjuna to do it too.

> Frankly, I feel relieved when and enlightened one gets angry. It seems

> to me that the truly enlightened don't worry about things likethat

> being vegetarian, or smoking, or whatever. They have no " image " to

> live up to.

>

 

 

 

Life living itself.......out in the moment.

 

 

toombaru

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