Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Silver " <silver@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Silver " <silver@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " So, if the I-thought is to be eliminated, who is that > > > " I " ? > > > > > > Isnt > > > > > > > > > > > the " I " , the source of the thought, the Self?? " > > > > > > > > > > > ********************** > > > > > > > > > > > First, try as you might, you will never succeed in > > > > > > > > > eliminating " the I- > > > > > > > > > > > thought. " You speak of it as though it were something > > > > > > comparable > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > excrement that the body needs to eliminate! Rather, > > > Ramana > > > > > > > > > encourages > > > > > > > > > > > you to retain that thought. Rather, he says, " ...one > > > should > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > relinquish one's self. " Now, think about this: If the > > > source > > > > > > of, > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > .> root, of the I-thought is your Self, then eliminating > > > that > > > > > > > > > thought > > > > > > > > > > > would require you to relinquish your self. Uprooting > > your > > > > > self > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > kill you. I know, I know. Some will say, " But, I want > > > to be > > > > > > > > > uprooted! > > > > > > > > > > > My ego must die! " People speak about the " death of > > > ego " and > > > > > > > > > weirdly > > > > > > > > > > > get all excited over it, as if that were a good thing. > > > > It's a > > > > > > > > > > > ridiculous idea. And not one person here who has ever > > > > > written a > > > > > > > > > > > single word on this white message board can prove > to you > > > > > > that the > > > > > > > > > > > death of ego is either possible or even a good thing. > > > > > > Because the > > > > > > > > > > > moment they start writing, they have disqualified > > > > > themselves as > > > > > > > > > > > beings without ego. Their ego surfaces whenever they > > hit > > > > > > > > > that 'Send' > > > > > > > > > > > button in the bottom right hand corner of your > > screen. See > > > > > > it? of > > > > > > > > > > > course you do! You'd be dead if you didn't. Or > > physically > > > > > > blind, > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > which case, you'd still be there, body-mind, to > > figure out > > > > > > how to > > > > > > > > > hit > > > > > > > > > > > that 'Send' button. So, forget the whole idea of > > > > > > " eliminating the > > > > > > > > > I- > > > > > > > > > > > thought. " Just live your life and enjoy it!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Silver > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .........and when that fails......which it will....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .......perhaps the Understanding will percolate down > > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > layers of opacity..........and you will stand out on the > > > > > > > > > > open....naked....and fearless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************* > > > > > > > > > See? It's gibberish like that which sounds really deep > > > but, in > > > > > > > > > reality, it means crap. Live your life and enjoy it. Your > > > > > body-mind > > > > > > > > > doesn't care whether or not you " Understand. " You can > either > > > > > sit in > > > > > > > > > the coffee machine all day and percolate for an > eternity or > > > > > you can > > > > > > > > > pour yourself into Life, openly (go naked if that's your > > > thing), > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > fearlessly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Silver > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The attempt to " live " " your " " life " " and enjoy it " ...is the > > > > cause of > > > > > > > > your suffering.....It is the suffering. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You cannot " pour your-self into Life " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You ARE Life........anything that you think you do...or > > > think you > > > > > > > > don't do.......only adds walls to the make believe prison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why keep putting walls up then? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be still and silent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'you' have nothing to offer but more prison walls. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even though you are in solitary you should watch out, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as Life always does. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have an option to be still and silent? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evidently not. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cannot be silent. > > > > > > > > I will, however, quit this list if you will. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > do you believe that you have a choice? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > do you believe that you have a choice whether to believe that you have > > a choice or not? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Do you believe that you are talking to a separate entity? > > > toombaru if not then the 'choice is 'ours'. and 'you' must ipso facto be aware of what 'my' part of 'our' uniform existence has 'chosen' for 'you' to do or not do. go with the flow bro. ..b b.b. 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