Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Silver " <silver@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Silver " > <silver@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " So, if the I-thought is to be eliminated, who > is that > > > > " I " ? > > > > > > > Isnt > > > > > > > > > > > > the " I " , the source of the thought, the Self?? " > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************** > > > > > > > > > > > > First, try as you might, you will never succeed in > > > > > > > > > > eliminating " the I- > > > > > > > > > > > > thought. " You speak of it as though it were > something > > > > > > > comparable > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > excrement that the body needs to eliminate! Rather, > > > > Ramana > > > > > > > > > > encourages > > > > > > > > > > > > you to retain that thought. Rather, he says, " ...one > > > > should > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > > relinquish one's self. " Now, think about this: > If the > > > > source > > > > > > > of, > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > .> root, of the I-thought is your Self, then > eliminating > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > thought > > > > > > > > > > > > would require you to relinquish your self. Uprooting > > > your > > > > > > self > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > kill you. I know, I know. Some will say, " But, I > want > > > > to be > > > > > > > > > > uprooted! > > > > > > > > > > > > My ego must die! " People speak about the " death of > > > > ego " and > > > > > > > > > > weirdly > > > > > > > > > > > > get all excited over it, as if that were a good > thing. > > > > > It's a > > > > > > > > > > > > ridiculous idea. And not one person here who has > ever > > > > > > written a > > > > > > > > > > > > single word on this white message board can prove > > to you > > > > > > > that the > > > > > > > > > > > > death of ego is either possible or even a good > thing. > > > > > > > Because the > > > > > > > > > > > > moment they start writing, they have disqualified > > > > > > themselves as > > > > > > > > > > > > beings without ego. Their ego surfaces whenever they > > > hit > > > > > > > > > > that 'Send' > > > > > > > > > > > > button in the bottom right hand corner of your > > > screen. See > > > > > > > it? of > > > > > > > > > > > > course you do! You'd be dead if you didn't. Or > > > physically > > > > > > > blind, > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > which case, you'd still be there, body-mind, to > > > figure out > > > > > > > how to > > > > > > > > > > hit > > > > > > > > > > > > that 'Send' button. So, forget the whole idea of > > > > > > > " eliminating the > > > > > > > > > > I- > > > > > > > > > > > > thought. " Just live your life and enjoy it!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Silver > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .........and when that fails......which it will....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .......perhaps the Understanding will percolate down > > > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > layers of opacity..........and you will stand out > on the > > > > > > > > > > > open....naked....and fearless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************* > > > > > > > > > > See? It's gibberish like that which sounds really deep > > > > but, in > > > > > > > > > > reality, it means crap. Live your life and enjoy it. > Your > > > > > > body-mind > > > > > > > > > > doesn't care whether or not you " Understand. " You can > > either > > > > > > sit in > > > > > > > > > > the coffee machine all day and percolate for an > > eternity or > > > > > > you can > > > > > > > > > > pour yourself into Life, openly (go naked if that's your > > > > thing), > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > fearlessly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Silver > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The attempt to " live " " your " " life " " and enjoy > it " ...is the > > > > > cause of > > > > > > > > > your suffering.....It is the suffering. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You cannot " pour your-self into Life " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You ARE Life........anything that you think you do...or > > > > think you > > > > > > > > > don't do.......only adds walls to the make believe prison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why keep putting walls up then? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be still and silent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'you' have nothing to offer but more prison walls. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even though you are in solitary you should watch out, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as Life always does. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have an option to be still and silent? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evidently not. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cannot be silent. > > > > > > > > > > I will, however, quit this list if you will. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > do you believe that you have a choice? > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > My " choice " depends upon yours. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > don't try an pin the blame or commendation of 'your' actions on 'me'. > > > > i don't care one way or the other. > > > > i don't care at all. > > > > take responsibility for your own fantasy. > > > > take command of what you can. > > > > and what you can't leave alone. > > > > membership on this list is not significant. > > > > the choice is 'yours' or 'yours' to follow. > > > > and what the hell difference will either 'choice' make? > > > > and to whom? > > > > and why so? > > > > what is 'is'. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > Do you believe that I can take responsibility? > > > toombaru you asked out of it when you tried to say it was my responsibility to decide for you about quiting the list. you first say there is no choice. you than ask me to choose (will) whether or not you remain on the list. you then try and weasel out of it all by asking whether i believe that you can take responsibility or not. i think you should answer your own questions regarding your own 'self', 'it's': abilities to choose or not, take responsibility or not, answer straight or not. and by the way... it shouldn't matter to you what i believe about believing...or choice making...or responsibility taking. take care of your own back yard. just don't speak such bullshit outside of your yard...your 'self'. no one believes you any more than you believe yourself. flow with the flowing that is. ..b b.b. 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