Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Silver " <silver@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Silver " > > <silver@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " So, if the I-thought is to be eliminated, who > > is that > > > > > " I " ? > > > > > > > > Isnt > > > > > > > > > > > > > the " I " , the source of the thought, the Self?? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************** > > > > > > > > > > > > > First, try as you might, you will never > succeed in > > > > > > > > > > > eliminating " the I- > > > > > > > > > > > > > thought. " You speak of it as though it were > > something > > > > > > > > comparable > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > excrement that the body needs to eliminate! > Rather, > > > > > Ramana > > > > > > > > > > > encourages > > > > > > > > > > > > > you to retain that thought. Rather, he says, > " ...one > > > > > should > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > > > relinquish one's self. " Now, think about this: > > If the > > > > > source > > > > > > > > of, > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > .> root, of the I-thought is your Self, then > > eliminating > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > thought > > > > > > > > > > > > > would require you to relinquish your self. > Uprooting > > > > your > > > > > > > self > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > kill you. I know, I know. Some will say, " But, I > > want > > > > > to be > > > > > > > > > > > uprooted! > > > > > > > > > > > > > My ego must die! " People speak about the " death of > > > > > ego " and > > > > > > > > > > > weirdly > > > > > > > > > > > > > get all excited over it, as if that were a good > > thing. > > > > > > It's a > > > > > > > > > > > > > ridiculous idea. And not one person here who has > > ever > > > > > > > written a > > > > > > > > > > > > > single word on this white message board can prove > > > to you > > > > > > > > that the > > > > > > > > > > > > > death of ego is either possible or even a good > > thing. > > > > > > > > Because the > > > > > > > > > > > > > moment they start writing, they have disqualified > > > > > > > themselves as > > > > > > > > > > > > > beings without ego. Their ego surfaces > whenever they > > > > hit > > > > > > > > > > > that 'Send' > > > > > > > > > > > > > button in the bottom right hand corner of your > > > > screen. See > > > > > > > > it? of > > > > > > > > > > > > > course you do! You'd be dead if you didn't. Or > > > > physically > > > > > > > > blind, > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > which case, you'd still be there, body-mind, to > > > > figure out > > > > > > > > how to > > > > > > > > > > > hit > > > > > > > > > > > > > that 'Send' button. So, forget the whole idea of > > > > > > > > " eliminating the > > > > > > > > > > > I- > > > > > > > > > > > > > thought. " Just live your life and enjoy it!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Silver > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .........and when that fails......which it > will....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .......perhaps the Understanding will percolate down > > > > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > layers of opacity..........and you will stand out > > on the > > > > > > > > > > > > open....naked....and fearless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************* > > > > > > > > > > > See? It's gibberish like that which sounds really deep > > > > > but, in > > > > > > > > > > > reality, it means crap. Live your life and enjoy it. > > Your > > > > > > > body-mind > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't care whether or not you " Understand. " You can > > > either > > > > > > > sit in > > > > > > > > > > > the coffee machine all day and percolate for an > > > eternity or > > > > > > > you can > > > > > > > > > > > pour yourself into Life, openly (go naked if > that's your > > > > > thing), > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > fearlessly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Silver > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The attempt to " live " " your " " life " " and enjoy > > it " ...is the > > > > > > cause of > > > > > > > > > > your suffering.....It is the suffering. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You cannot " pour your-self into Life " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You ARE Life........anything that you think you do...or > > > > > think you > > > > > > > > > > don't do.......only adds walls to the make believe > prison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why keep putting walls up then? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be still and silent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'you' have nothing to offer but more prison walls. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even though you are in solitary you should watch out, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as Life always does. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have an option to be still and silent? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evidently not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cannot be silent. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will, however, quit this list if you will. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do you believe that you have a choice? > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > do you believe that you have a choice whether to believe that > you have > > > > a choice or not? > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you believe that you are talking to a separate entity? > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > if not then the 'choice is 'ours'. > > > > and 'you' must ipso facto be aware of what 'my' part of 'our' uniform > > existence has 'chosen' for 'you' to do or not do. > > > > go with the flow bro. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > I am sparate from the flow? > > > toombaru are you sprate from the flowing? perhaps from the flow? it matters little. ..b b.b. 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