Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Cecilia " <martone@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Bill > > > > > > Thank you for your thoughts. > > > > > > I meant the Self as " I " really..in In the book " Self Inquiry " ( > > p.4), we > > > read Sri Ramana Maharshi saying: > > > " ... the thoughts that appear in the heart have as their basis the > > egoity > > > which is the first mental mode �I�, the cognition of the form �I > > > > > > am the body�; thus, it is the rise of egoity that is the cause and > > source of > > > the rise of all other > > > > > > thoughts(...) " > > > > > > I was asking about the mental mode " I " , in fact. If the " I " that > > is the > > > origin of all thoughts was not the real Self. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you again > > > > > > Cecilia > > > > It is the cognizing of a self that has itself as its own-being. > > > > This is the distortion. > > > > > The I am.......creates a mysterious overlap. > > The conceptual overlay in which me and other slug it out. > > I am is a highly evolved survival mechanism.....I functions very well > for the survival of the organism......It's just a little frightening > when it is mistaken for reality. > > The flip side of success.....is suffering. > > > > > toombaru pain and suffering are inevitable. misery is optional. some have strange tastes for such misery and never stop obsessing on the suffering that appears to be it's cause but is not. the suffering is the continual focus on that which only appears to suffer and in so doing enjoys it's greatest posession. there is not one thing that suffers or is suffering. it suffers some to see this. it's considered success to them to suffer. the two sided coin is actually double headed suffering. it alerts aliveness. it masks freedom from both joy and suffering. when there is no joy..no suffering...no emotive quale of any sort.. only then can Truth be known. until that 'time'... that is all times... suffer 'you' will.. in joy or pain. leave that behind with 'your' self'. these are the Words of the Kingdom that beckons without beckoning. ..b b.b. > > And the attempt to hold to that self, so as to have a possession, and > > objectification. > > > > And then, all experiences, all object that attach to that, come with > that. > > > > One's history, future, world. > > > > The world of objects, of experiences to be had, of survival. > > > > Once I have a self as an object " in here " - then I have objects " out > > there " and their relation to that self - either hurtful or helpful. > > > > To relinquish the self is to relinquish objects. > > > > And if so, there is no need to cognize a " Self " or anything else, like > > a " God " or " Being " or " Guru " or whatever ... as these are all objects, > > are objectifications, are thoughts that are held. > > > > There is no need for any object, if there is no self-object being held. > > > > -- D. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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