RES: remember the 'I' thought and seek its source

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Nisargadatta , " Cecilia " <martone wrote:

>

> Ok, I have expressed my question in a wrong way..

>

> In the book " Self Inquiry " ( p.4), we read Sri Ramana Maharshi saying:

> " ... the thoughts that appear in the heart have as their basis the

egoity

> which is the first mental mode `I', the cognition of the form `I

>

> am the body'; thus, it is the rise of egoity that is the cause and

source of

> the rise of all other

>

> thoughts; therefore, if the self-conceit of the form of egoity which

is the

> root of the illusory tree of

>

> samsara (bondage consisting of transmigration) is destroyed, all other

> thoughts will perish

>

> completely like an uprooted tree. Whatever thoughts arise as

obstacles to

> one's sadhana (spiritual

>

> discipline) - the mind should not be allowed to go in their

direction, but

> should be made to rest in

>

> one's self which is the Atman; one should remain as witness to whatever

> happens, adopting the

>

> attitude `Let whatever strange things happen, happen; let us see!' This

> should be one's practice. In

>

> other words, one should not identify oneself with appearances; one

should

> never relinquish one's

>

> self. This is the proper means for destruction of the mind

(manonasa) which

> is of the nature of

>

> seeing the body as self, and which is the cause of all the aforesaid

> obstacles. "

>

> So, if the I-thought is to be eliminated, who is that " I " ? Isnt the

" I " , the

> source of the thought, the Self??

>

> I hope now I could put my question clearer..

>

> Thank you

>

> Cecilia

 

Ramana is a favorite of mine, along with Krishnamurti

and Nisargadatta. What I find very special about Ramana

is how he addresses the heart. That being said, he is

not easy to interpret, partly because his use of terms

can be confusing.

 

From the quote about I suggest focusing on:

" ...one should remain as witness to whatever happens, adopting

the attitude `Let whatever strange things happen, happen; let us

see!' This should be one's practice. In other words, one should

not identify oneself with appearances; one should never

relinquish one's self. This is the proper means for destruction

of the mind (manonasa) which is of the nature of seeing the body

as self, and which is the cause of all the aforesaid obstacles. "

 

In such a practice thoughts many arise, but there is just a

witnessing, no effort to " correct " . Note, however, that in

the quote you provided he also says, " Whatever thoughts

arise as obstacles to one's sadhana (spiritual discipline) - the

mind should not be allowed to go in their direction.... "

That can seem to be in contradiction with, " Let whatever strange

things happen, happen; let us see! "

 

If there is deep attention to the arising of thought, ignoring

the " content " of thought and rather attending to the *process*

of thought arising, then thoughts will begin to lose their

" programmatic " , compelling character and the distinctness

of thoughts will dissolve back into the flux-like character

of dynamic now-consciousness.

 

 

Bill

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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> De: Nisargadatta

[Nisargadatta ]Em

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> Enviada em: quinta-feira, 17 de maio de 2007 11:37

> Para: Nisargadatta

> Assunto: RES: Re: remember the 'I' thought and seek its

> source

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> > Nisargadatta , " Cecilia " <martone@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello

> > >

> > > I always understood the root-thought is Self..is it right? I got

> > confused

> > > now..

> > >

> > > Cecilia

> >

>

> P: The root-thought is also a thought, being confused

> is a thought, too. Let attention dwell in what is not thought,

> and where is confusion?

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