Guest guest Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 in deep sleep..... like in liberation & happiness.... nothing ever happen Marc Ps: in all other states (of mind).... things (appear to) happen but nobody for real.... " who " care about for the ones who are friends of God(s): God is happy....and Love..... (with) who/whatever appear to happen don't worry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > > in deep sleep..... > like in liberation & happiness.... > > nothing ever happen > > > Marc > > > Ps: in all other states (of mind).... > things (appear to) happen > > but nobody for real.... " who " care about > > > for the ones who are friends of God(s): > > God is happy....and Love..... (with) who/whatever appear to happen > > don't worry > > Yes, who is there to worry -- and what about? This is a profound truth, beyond words. It's not an idea to toss around with other ideas, but an idea that ends ideation. It's the end of any attaching to conceptuality or nonconceptuality. -- D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > in deep sleep..... > > like in liberation & happiness.... > > > > nothing ever happen > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: in all other states (of mind).... > > things (appear to) happen > > > > but nobody for real.... " who " care about > > > > > > for the ones who are friends of God(s): > > > > God is happy....and Love..... (with) who/whatever appear to happen > > > > don't worry > > > > > > Yes, who is there to worry -- and what about? > > This is a profound truth, beyond words. > > It's not an idea to toss around with other ideas, but an idea that > ends ideation. > > It's the end of any attaching to conceptuality or nonconceptuality. > > -- D. > Dan, Is this " experienced " as rock solid? toombary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in deep sleep..... > > > like in liberation & happiness.... > > > > > > nothing ever happen > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Ps: in all other states (of mind).... > > > things (appear to) happen > > > > > > but nobody for real.... " who " care about > > > > > > > > > for the ones who are friends of God(s): > > > > > > God is happy....and Love..... (with) who/whatever appear to happen > > > > > > don't worry > > > > > > > > > > Yes, who is there to worry -- and what about? > > > > This is a profound truth, beyond words. > > > > It's not an idea to toss around with other ideas, but an idea that > > ends ideation. > > > > It's the end of any attaching to conceptuality or nonconceptuality. > > > > -- D. > > > > > Dan, > > Is this " experienced " as rock solid? > > > > toombary Yes, but in this way: It is itself the unwavering rock-solidness that allows experiences to arise and depart. It is the very " fitting together " of this experience, without itself being experienced. -- D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > in deep sleep..... > > like in liberation & happiness.... > > > > nothing ever happen > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: in all other states (of mind).... > > things (appear to) happen > > > > but nobody for real.... " who " care about > > > > > > for the ones who are friends of God(s): > > > > God is happy....and Love..... (with) who/whatever appear to happen > > > > don't worry > > > > > > Yes, who is there to worry -- and what about? > > This is a profound truth, beyond words. yes, indeed....... " i " agree no words about your statement it's difficult to describe this truth.... this truth leave the imagination of " God & Concepts " ....alone.... not easy for some busy (emotional) minds..... > > It's not an idea to toss around with other ideas, but an idea that > ends ideation. > > It's the end of any attaching to conceptuality or nonconceptuality. > yes... > -- D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in deep sleep..... > > > like in liberation & happiness.... > > > > > > nothing ever happen > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Ps: in all other states (of mind).... > > > things (appear to) happen > > > > > > but nobody for real.... " who " care about > > > > > > > > > for the ones who are friends of God(s): > > > > > > God is happy....and Love..... (with) who/whatever appear to happen > > > > > > don't worry > > > > > > > > > > Yes, who is there to worry -- and what about? > > > > This is a profound truth, beyond words. > > > yes, indeed....... " i " agree > no words about your statement > > it's difficult to describe this truth.... > > this truth leave the imagination of " God & Concepts " ....alone.... > > not easy for some busy (emotional) minds..... Indeed. Emotions play a powerful role in the trying to validate the drama of self, in many ways. -- D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in deep sleep..... > > > > like in liberation & happiness.... > > > > > > > > nothing ever happen > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: in all other states (of mind).... > > > > things (appear to) happen > > > > > > > > but nobody for real.... " who " care about > > > > > > > > > > > > for the ones who are friends of God(s): > > > > > > > > God is happy....and Love..... (with) who/whatever appear to happen > > > > > > > > don't worry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, who is there to worry -- and what about? > > > > > > This is a profound truth, beyond words. > > > > > > yes, indeed....... " i " agree > > no words about your statement > > > > it's difficult to describe this truth.... > > > > this truth leave the imagination of " God & Concepts " ....alone.... > > > > not easy for some busy (emotional) minds..... > > Indeed. > > Emotions play a powerful role in the trying to validate the drama of > self, in many ways. > > -- D. > drama = self = drama Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in deep sleep..... > > > > like in liberation & happiness.... > > > > > > > > nothing ever happen > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: in all other states (of mind).... > > > > things (appear to) happen > > > > > > > > but nobody for real.... " who " care about > > > > > > > > > > > > for the ones who are friends of God(s): > > > > > > > > God is happy....and Love..... (with) who/whatever appear to happen > > > > > > > > don't worry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, who is there to worry -- and what about? > > > > > > This is a profound truth, beyond words. > > > > > > yes, indeed....... " i " agree > > no words about your statement > > > > it's difficult to describe this truth.... > > > > this truth leave the imagination of " God & Concepts " ....alone.... > > > > not easy for some busy (emotional) minds..... > > Indeed. > > Emotions play a powerful role in the trying to validate the drama of > self, in many ways. > > -- D. reading some " shift " discussions in here..... yes, indeed you are right Marc Ps: real Self don't need trying hardly.....to validate the drama of self (ego-mind)....because for real Self....there is nothing to be " validated " anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in deep sleep..... > > > > > like in liberation & happiness.... > > > > > > > > > > nothing ever happen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: in all other states (of mind).... > > > > > things (appear to) happen > > > > > > > > > > but nobody for real.... " who " care about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the ones who are friends of God(s): > > > > > > > > > > God is happy....and Love..... (with) who/whatever appear to > happen > > > > > > > > > > don't worry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, who is there to worry -- and what about? > > > > > > > > This is a profound truth, beyond words. > > > > > > > > > yes, indeed....... " i " agree > > > no words about your statement > > > > > > it's difficult to describe this truth.... > > > > > > this truth leave the imagination of " God & Concepts " ....alone.... > > > > > > not easy for some busy (emotional) minds..... > > > > Indeed. > > > > Emotions play a powerful role in the trying to validate the drama of > > self, in many ways. > > > > -- D. > > > reading some " shift " discussions in here..... > > yes, indeed > > you are right > > Marc > > > Ps: real Self don't need trying hardly.....to validate the drama of > self (ego-mind)....because for real Self....there is nothing to > be " validated " anymore > The conceptual division of the imaginary self into two distinct factions is fertilizer for the dream. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in deep sleep..... > > > > > > like in liberation & happiness.... > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing ever happen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: in all other states (of mind).... > > > > > > things (appear to) happen > > > > > > > > > > > > but nobody for real.... " who " care about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the ones who are friends of God(s): > > > > > > > > > > > > God is happy....and Love..... (with) who/whatever appear to > > happen > > > > > > > > > > > > don't worry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, who is there to worry -- and what about? > > > > > > > > > > This is a profound truth, beyond words. > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, indeed....... " i " agree > > > > no words about your statement > > > > > > > > it's difficult to describe this truth.... > > > > > > > > this truth leave the imagination of " God & Concepts " ....alone.... > > > > > > > > not easy for some busy (emotional) minds..... > > > > > > Indeed. > > > > > > Emotions play a powerful role in the trying to validate the drama of > > > self, in many ways. > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > reading some " shift " discussions in here..... > > > > yes, indeed > > > > you are right > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: real Self don't need trying hardly.....to validate the drama of > > self (ego-mind)....because for real Self....there is nothing to > > be " validated " anymore > > > > > The conceptual division of the imaginary self into two distinct > factions is fertilizer for the dream. > > > > toombaru ......no dream without the little ego-mind....dreaming means, ignoring the one and only real Self there is no division of real Self and imaginary self existing therefore, all divisions are conceptual Marc Ps: maybe " you " identified with someone else last night....during sleep.....but this doesn't mean that " you " were seperated to the imaginary " you " ....writing in here, now same relation of real Self....to imaginary self Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in deep sleep..... > > > > > > > like in liberation & happiness.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing ever happen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: in all other states (of mind).... > > > > > > > things (appear to) happen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but nobody for real.... " who " care about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the ones who are friends of God(s): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God is happy....and Love..... (with) who/whatever appear > to > > > happen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't worry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, who is there to worry -- and what about? > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a profound truth, beyond words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, indeed....... " i " agree > > > > > no words about your statement > > > > > > > > > > it's difficult to describe this truth.... > > > > > > > > > > this truth leave the imagination > of " God & Concepts " ....alone.... > > > > > > > > > > not easy for some busy (emotional) minds..... > > > > > > > > Indeed. > > > > > > > > Emotions play a powerful role in the trying to validate the > drama of > > > > self, in many ways. > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > reading some " shift " discussions in here..... > > > > > > yes, indeed > > > > > > you are right > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Ps: real Self don't need trying hardly.....to validate the drama > of > > > self (ego-mind)....because for real Self....there is nothing to > > > be " validated " anymore > > > > > > > > > The conceptual division of the imaginary self into two distinct > > factions is fertilizer for the dream. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > .....no dream without the little ego-mind....dreaming > means, ignoring the one and only real Self > > > there is no division of real Self and imaginary self existing > > therefore, all divisions are conceptual > > > Marc > > > Ps: maybe " you " identified with someone else last night....during > sleep.....but this doesn't mean that " you " were seperated to the > imaginary " you " ....writing in here, now > > > same relation of real Self....to imaginary self > As long as there is a belief in two selves......there will be. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in deep sleep..... > > > > > > > > like in liberation & happiness.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing ever happen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: in all other states (of mind).... > > > > > > > > things (appear to) happen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but nobody for real.... " who " care about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the ones who are friends of God(s): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God is happy....and Love..... (with) who/whatever appear > > to > > > > happen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't worry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, who is there to worry -- and what about? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a profound truth, beyond words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, indeed....... " i " agree > > > > > > no words about your statement > > > > > > > > > > > > it's difficult to describe this truth.... > > > > > > > > > > > > this truth leave the imagination > > of " God & Concepts " ....alone.... > > > > > > > > > > > > not easy for some busy (emotional) minds..... > > > > > > > > > > Indeed. > > > > > > > > > > Emotions play a powerful role in the trying to validate the > > drama of > > > > > self, in many ways. > > > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > > > > reading some " shift " discussions in here..... > > > > > > > > yes, indeed > > > > > > > > you are right > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: real Self don't need trying hardly.....to validate the drama > > of > > > > self (ego-mind)....because for real Self....there is nothing to > > > > be " validated " anymore > > > > > > > > > > > > > The conceptual division of the imaginary self into two distinct > > > factions is fertilizer for the dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > .....no dream without the little ego-mind....dreaming > > means, ignoring the one and only real Self > > > > > > there is no division of real Self and imaginary self existing > > > > therefore, all divisions are conceptual > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: maybe " you " identified with someone else last night....during > > sleep.....but this doesn't mean that " you " were seperated to the > > imaginary " you " ....writing in here, now > > > > > > same relation of real Self....to imaginary self > > > > > > As long as there is a belief in two selves......there will be. > > > > > toombaru there are no two selves... one is real one is unreal/imaginary imaginary selves are changing.....within all little thoughts....ideas.....dreams......sleep.....foot.....happiness.....unh appiness.....and whatever kind of fabulues emotions..... coming and going real Self remain unchanged..... Marc Ps: to make the difference between real and unreal....that's what spirituality is about.... if you constantly are able to make the difference....ok, no problem......enjoy so if not....remain attached to whatever beliefs/concepts.....it don't make you free....for real Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > <dan330033@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in deep sleep..... > > > > > > > > > like in liberation & happiness.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing ever happen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: in all other states (of mind).... > > > > > > > > > things (appear to) happen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but nobody for real.... " who " care about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the ones who are friends of God(s): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God is happy....and Love..... (with) who/whatever > appear > > > to > > > > > happen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't worry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, who is there to worry -- and what about? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a profound truth, beyond words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, indeed....... " i " agree > > > > > > > no words about your statement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's difficult to describe this truth.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this truth leave the imagination > > > of " God & Concepts " ....alone.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not easy for some busy (emotional) minds..... > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Emotions play a powerful role in the trying to validate the > > > drama of > > > > > > self, in many ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reading some " shift " discussions in here..... > > > > > > > > > > yes, indeed > > > > > > > > > > you are right > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: real Self don't need trying hardly.....to validate the > drama > > > of > > > > > self (ego-mind)....because for real Self....there is nothing > to > > > > > be " validated " anymore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The conceptual division of the imaginary self into two distinct > > > > factions is fertilizer for the dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > .....no dream without the little ego-mind....dreaming > > > means, ignoring the one and only real Self > > > > > > > > > there is no division of real Self and imaginary self existing > > > > > > therefore, all divisions are conceptual > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Ps: maybe " you " identified with someone else last night....during > > > sleep.....but this doesn't mean that " you " were seperated to the > > > imaginary " you " ....writing in here, now > > > > > > > > > same relation of real Self....to imaginary self > > > > > > > > > > > As long as there is a belief in two selves......there will be. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > there are no two selves... > > one is real > > one is unreal/imaginary > > > imaginary selves are changing.....within all little > > thoughts....ideas.....dreams......sleep.....foot.....happiness.....unh > appiness.....and whatever kind of fabulues emotions..... > > > coming and going > > > real Self remain unchanged..... > > > Marc > > > Ps: to make the difference between real and unreal....that's what > spirituality is about.... > > if you constantly are able to make the difference....ok, no > problem......enjoy so > > if not....remain attached to whatever beliefs/concepts.....it don't > make you free....for real > One self.......is no self. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > > <dan330033@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in deep sleep..... > > > > > > > > > > like in liberation & happiness.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing ever happen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: in all other states (of mind).... > > > > > > > > > > things (appear to) happen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but nobody for real.... " who " care about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the ones who are friends of God(s): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God is happy....and Love..... (with) who/whatever > > appear > > > > to > > > > > > happen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't worry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, who is there to worry -- and what about? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a profound truth, beyond words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, indeed....... " i " agree > > > > > > > > no words about your statement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's difficult to describe this truth.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this truth leave the imagination > > > > of " God & Concepts " ....alone.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not easy for some busy (emotional) minds..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Emotions play a powerful role in the trying to validate the > > > > drama of > > > > > > > self, in many ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reading some " shift " discussions in here..... > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, indeed > > > > > > > > > > > > you are right > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: real Self don't need trying hardly.....to validate the > > drama > > > > of > > > > > > self (ego-mind)....because for real Self....there is nothing > > to > > > > > > be " validated " anymore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The conceptual division of the imaginary self into two distinct > > > > > factions is fertilizer for the dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .....no dream without the little ego-mind....dreaming > > > > means, ignoring the one and only real Self > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no division of real Self and imaginary self existing > > > > > > > > therefore, all divisions are conceptual > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: maybe " you " identified with someone else last night....during > > > > sleep.....but this doesn't mean that " you " were seperated to the > > > > imaginary " you " ....writing in here, now > > > > > > > > > > > > same relation of real Self....to imaginary self > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As long as there is a belief in two selves......there will be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > there are no two selves... > > > > one is real > > > > one is unreal/imaginary > > > > > > imaginary selves are changing.....within all little > > > > thoughts....ideas.....dreams......sleep.....foot.....happiness.....unh > > appiness.....and whatever kind of fabulues emotions..... > > > > > > coming and going > > > > > > real Self remain unchanged..... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: to make the difference between real and unreal....that's what > > spirituality is about.... > > > > if you constantly are able to make the difference....ok, no > > problem......enjoy so > > > > if not....remain attached to whatever beliefs/concepts.....it don't > > make you free....for real > > > > > One self.......is no self. > > > toombaru yes.... this words are flowing on the direct path.... to mySelf Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > drama = self = drama > > Bill Yes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 > As long as there is a belief in two selves......there will be. > > toombaru There will be what? * two selves OR * a belief in two selves The latter is a tautology, of the form: As long as there is X there will be X. The former, on the other hand, is untrue. Belief in (existence of) X does not entail existence of X. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > > As long as there is a belief in two selves......there will be. > > > > toombaru > > There will be what? > * two selves > OR > * a belief in two selves > > The latter is a tautology, of the form: > As long as there is X there will be X. > > The former, on the other hand, is untrue. > Belief in (existence of) X does not entail existence of X. > > > Bill > As long as you believe that there are mountains......there are mountains. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > As long as there is a belief in two selves......there will be. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > There will be what? > > * two selves > > OR > > * a belief in two selves > > > > The latter is a tautology, of the form: > > As long as there is X there will be X. > > > > The former, on the other hand, is untrue. > > Belief in (existence of) X does not entail existence of X. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > As long as you believe that there are mountains......there are mountains. > > > > toombaru > There Is a Mountain Lyrics Donovan Leitch From the album best of donovan ii The lock upon my garden gate's a snail, that's what it is. The lock upon my garden gate's a snail, that's what it is. First there is a mountain, then there is no mountain, then there is. First there is a mountain, then there is no mountain, then there is. The caterpillar sheds his skin to find a butterfly within. Caterpillar sheds his skin to find a butterfly within. First there is a mountain, then there is no mountain, then there is. First there is a mountain, then there is no mountain. Oh Juanita, oh Juanita, oh Juanita, I call your name. Oh, the snow will be a blinding sight to see as it lies on yonder hillside. The lock upon my garden gate's a snail, that's what it is. The lock upon my garden gate's a snail, that's what it is. Caterpillar sheds his skin to find a butterfly within. Caterpillar sheds his skin to find a butterfly within. Ah, my-my. First there is a mountain, then there is no mountain, then there is. First there is a mountain, then there is no mountain, then there is. First there is a mountain, then there is no mountain, then there is. First there is a mountain, then there is no mountain, then there is. First there is a mountain Have I told you lately I love you? Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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