Guest guest Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Conventional mind-set is language based and cuts the world of experience into big chunks. These chunks are so big they are absolutely indigestible.Dog,cat,house,car,husband,wife,country and on and on.These things are givng the whole world a belly ache.What is needed is close,close observation that will break up these big hard chunks into sounds and textures and colors and smells and tastes.Then we can eat the world and be nourished thereby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Conventional mind-set is language based and cuts the world of > experience into big chunks. These chunks are so big they are > absolutely indigestible.Dog,cat,house,car,husband,wife,country and on > and on.These things are givng the whole world a belly ache.What is > needed is close,close observation that will break up these big hard > chunks into sounds and textures and colors and smells and tastes.Then > we can eat the world and be nourished thereby. big chunks of what? what is a university?.. is it the ever changing buildings, students, faculty, curriculum? what is your home...other than a hotel? people through time and generations come and go, as do furnishings and surroundings. what about 'you'..physically..your total cellular makeup and atomic footprint is totally annihilated and replaced in seven year cycles as measured by the clock. this holds for all 'things' people' and 'events'. may it be said also of 'dreams'. wherefore are there big chunks of anything? all is process and there is no process. simply nothing to come to grips with. and no one to even try. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > Conventional mind-set is language based and cuts the world of > > experience into big chunks. These chunks are so big they are > > absolutely indigestible.Dog,cat,house,car,husband,wife,country and on > > and on.These things are givng the whole world a belly ache.What is > > needed is close,close observation that will break up these big hard > > chunks into sounds and textures and colors and smells and tastes.Then > > we can eat the world and be nourished thereby. > > > big chunks of what? > > what is a university?.. > > is it the ever changing buildings, students, faculty, curriculum? > > what is your home...other than a hotel? > > people through time and generations come and go, as do furnishings and > surroundings. > > what about 'you'..physically..your total cellular makeup and atomic > footprint is totally annihilated and replaced in seven year cycles as > measured by the clock. > > this holds for all 'things' people' and 'events'. > > may it be said also of 'dreams'. > > wherefore are there big chunks of anything? > > all is process and there is no process. > > simply nothing to come to grips with. > > and no one to even try. > > .b b.b. >you said a mouthful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > Conventional mind-set is language based and cuts the world of > > > experience into big chunks. These chunks are so big they are > > > absolutely indigestible.Dog,cat,house,car,husband,wife,country > and on > > > and on.These things are givng the whole world a belly ache.What > is > > > needed is close,close observation that will break up these big > hard > > > chunks into sounds and textures and colors and smells and > tastes.Then > > > we can eat the world and be nourished thereby. > > > > > > big chunks of what? > > > > what is a university?.. > > > > is it the ever changing buildings, students, faculty, curriculum? > > > > what is your home...other than a hotel? > > > > people through time and generations come and go, as do furnishings > and > > surroundings. > > > > what about 'you'..physically..your total cellular makeup and atomic > > footprint is totally annihilated and replaced in seven year cycles > as > > measured by the clock. > > > > this holds for all 'things' people' and 'events'. > > > > may it be said also of 'dreams'. > > > > wherefore are there big chunks of anything? > > > > all is process and there is no process. > > > > simply nothing to come to grips with. > > > > and no one to even try. > > > > .b b.b. > >you said a mouthful. unfortunately. in big chunks too. maybe that's the 'what'..in what chunks? do you think? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Conventional mind-set is language based and cuts the world of > experience into big chunks. These chunks are so big they are > absolutely indigestible.Dog,cat,house,car,husband,wife,country and on > and on.These things are givng the whole world a belly ache.What is > needed is close,close observation that will break up these big hard > chunks into sounds and textures and colors and smells and tastes.Then > we can eat the world and be nourished thereby. > It is not the conceptual world that should be our focus.....but the sense of we. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > Conventional mind-set is language based and cuts the world of > > experience into big chunks. These chunks are so big they are > > absolutely indigestible.Dog,cat,house,car,husband,wife,country and on > > and on.These things are givng the whole world a belly ache.What is > > needed is close,close observation that will break up these big hard > > chunks into sounds and textures and colors and smells and tastes.Then > > we can eat the world and be nourished thereby. > > > > It is not the conceptual world that should be our focus.....but the > sense of we. > > > > > toombaru >Let's face it: The focus is gonna be what it's gonna be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > Conventional mind-set is language based and cuts the world of > > > experience into big chunks. These chunks are so big they are > > > absolutely indigestible.Dog,cat,house,car,husband,wife,country > and on > > > and on.These things are givng the whole world a belly ache.What > is > > > needed is close,close observation that will break up these big > hard > > > chunks into sounds and textures and colors and smells and > tastes.Then > > > we can eat the world and be nourished thereby. > > > > > > > It is not the conceptual world that should be our focus.....but the > > sense of we. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > >Let's face it: The focus is gonna be what it's gonna be. > Yeah ......... know what the literature says. No free will......and nothing to have it. There is another element......that involves a most peculiar focus. Nisargadatta believed what his guru said .....and did it. He was undoubtedly ripe.....and the entire universe had to lean in his direction....but when ripeness and opportunity come together both parties must willing or remove their clothes. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > Conventional mind-set is language based and cuts the world of > > experience into big chunks. These chunks are so big they are > > absolutely indigestible.Dog,cat,house,car,husband,wife,country and on > > and on.These things are givng the whole world a belly ache.What is > > needed is close,close observation that will break up these big hard > > chunks into sounds and textures and colors and smells and tastes.Then > > we can eat the world and be nourished thereby. > > > > It is not the conceptual world that should be our focus.....but the > sense of we. > > > > > toombaru 'should' be???????? well by what big NobyDaddy in the sky's Rules? what other 'should's' and 'should nots' have We received from the Mountain lately? what Shall we Not do Jehovah? and what Shall we do Jesus? i guess 'it' Should all be different then what it is... and we have the focus all wrong... and we must be led into the Right and Light! i think i'm going to throw up. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Conventional mind-set is language based and cuts the world of > > > > experience into big chunks. These chunks are so big they are > > > > absolutely indigestible.Dog,cat,house,car,husband,wife,country > > and on > > > > and on.These things are givng the whole world a belly ache.What > > is > > > > needed is close,close observation that will break up these big > > hard > > > > chunks into sounds and textures and colors and smells and > > tastes.Then > > > > we can eat the world and be nourished thereby. > > > > > > > > > > It is not the conceptual world that should be our focus.....but the > > > sense of we. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > >Let's face it: The focus is gonna be what it's gonna be. > > > > > > > Yeah ......... know what the literature says. > > > No free will......and nothing to have it. > > > > There is another element......that involves a most peculiar focus. > > > Nisargadatta believed what his guru said .....and did it. > > > He was undoubtedly ripe.....and the entire universe had to lean in his > direction....but when ripeness and opportunity come together both > parties must willing or remove their clothes. > > > toombaru >No Free Will is not a dogma, it is jsut something you see one day and after that you just don't understand what free will ever meant. But that is not the end of anything. there is still plenty of identification and misery. Krishnamurti said somewhere that liberation or freedom--i.e., from the belief in control--is the beginning, not the culmination of the spiritual life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Conventional mind-set is language based and cuts the world of > > > > experience into big chunks. These chunks are so big they are > > > > absolutely indigestible.Dog,cat,house,car,husband,wife,country > > and on > > > > and on.These things are givng the whole world a belly ache.What > > is > > > > needed is close,close observation that will break up these big > > hard > > > > chunks into sounds and textures and colors and smells and > > tastes.Then > > > > we can eat the world and be nourished thereby. > > > > > > > > > > It is not the conceptual world that should be our focus.....but the > > > sense of we. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > >Let's face it: The focus is gonna be what it's gonna be. > > > > > > > Yeah ......... know what the literature says. > > > No free will......and nothing to have it. > > > > There is another element......that involves a most peculiar focus. > > > Nisargadatta believed what his guru said .....and did it. > > > He was undoubtedly ripe.....and the entire universe had to lean in his > direction....but when ripeness and opportunity come together both > parties must willing or remove their clothes. > > > toombaru There is a pull toward separation. It can be, and has been, explained in many ways: evolution, greed, fear, desire, memory, biochemistry and neurology, culture, conditioning. Perhaps these all could be viewed as intertwined factors. To break free from the pull into assumed separation is not the common sense way of human life, and therefore is a break from consensus reality, from the mutually reinforced assumptions about existence. In a sense, it is to " overcome the world " as the New Testament put it. It has little to do with philosophical positions about nondual ideas. It means to digest the pull into separation and dissolve it. It involves deep awareness, understanding. It is to live as a person, yet to be free from existing as a person. Someone once said, " I am a living dead man. " Yet, even to say that involves a degree of self-consciousness. -- D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Conventional mind-set is language based and cuts the world of > > > > > experience into big chunks. These chunks are so big they are > > > > > absolutely indigestible.Dog,cat,house,car,husband,wife,country > > > and on > > > > > and on.These things are givng the whole world a belly ache.What > > > is > > > > > needed is close,close observation that will break up these big > > > hard > > > > > chunks into sounds and textures and colors and smells and > > > tastes.Then > > > > > we can eat the world and be nourished thereby. > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not the conceptual world that should be our focus.....but the > > > > sense of we. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > >Let's face it: The focus is gonna be what it's gonna be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah ......... know what the literature says. > > > > > > No free will......and nothing to have it. > > > > > > > > There is another element......that involves a most peculiar focus. > > > > > > Nisargadatta believed what his guru said .....and did it. > > > > > > He was undoubtedly ripe.....and the entire universe had to lean in his > > direction....but when ripeness and opportunity come together both > > parties must willing or remove their clothes. > > > > > > toombaru > > There is a pull toward separation. (as 'what'...from 'what'?) > It can be, and has been, explained in many ways: evolution, ('what' is 'evolving'?) greed, fear, desire, memory, biochemistry and neurology, culture, conditioning. (who's?) Perhaps these all could be viewed as intertwined factors. (they are different things'..'events'?) > To break free from the pull into assumed separation is not the common > sense way of human life, and therefore is a break from consensus > reality, from the mutually reinforced assumptions about existence. In > a sense, it is to " overcome the world " as the New Testament put it. > It has little to do with philosophical positions about nondual ideas. > It means to digest the pull into separation and dissolve it. It > involves deep awareness, understanding. It is to live as a person, > yet to be free from existing as a person. Someone once said, " I am a > living dead man. " > > Yet, even to say that involves a degree of self-consciousness. > > -- D. who is to overcome what world? from the first all is just as it is. between world and World is no 'who' or 'what'? nonduality is as phony and incorrect as any'thing'. 'who' is 'self-conscious' in the living dead man? neither 'living' nor 'dead' will yield the answer. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Conventional mind-set is language based and cuts the world of > > > > > experience into big chunks. These chunks are so big they are > > > > > absolutely indigestible.Dog,cat,house,car,husband,wife,country > > > and on > > > > > and on.These things are givng the whole world a belly ache.What > > > is > > > > > needed is close,close observation that will break up these big > > > hard > > > > > chunks into sounds and textures and colors and smells and > > > tastes.Then > > > > > we can eat the world and be nourished thereby. > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not the conceptual world that should be our focus.....but the > > > > sense of we. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > >Let's face it: The focus is gonna be what it's gonna be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah ......... know what the literature says. > > > > > > No free will......and nothing to have it. > > > > > > > > There is another element......that involves a most peculiar focus. > > > > > > Nisargadatta believed what his guru said .....and did it. > > > > > > He was undoubtedly ripe.....and the entire universe had to lean in his > > direction....but when ripeness and opportunity come together both > > parties must willing or remove their clothes. > > > > > > toombaru > > There is a pull toward separation. > > It can be, and has been, explained in many ways: evolution, greed, > fear, desire, memory, biochemistry and neurology, culture, > conditioning. Perhaps these all could be viewed as intertwined factors. > > To break free from the pull into assumed separation is not the common > sense way of human life, and therefore is a break from consensus > reality, from the mutually reinforced assumptions about existence. In > a sense, it is to " overcome the world " as the New Testament put it. > It has little to do with philosophical positions about nondual ideas. > It means to digest the pull into separation and dissolve it. It > involves deep awareness, understanding. It is to live as a person, > yet to be free from existing as a person. Someone once said, " I am a > living dead man. " > > Yet, even to say that involves a degree of self-consciousness. > > -- D. > There seems to be a platform......on the outside edge of Magnus Machina from which the machine and its workings can be seen as it lumbers on in the emptyness. This 'experience' is non-conceptual......and cannot be shared.....because......there is really no one to share it with. Who wants to converse with a clot of memories? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Conventional mind-set is language based and cuts the world of > > > > > > experience into big chunks. These chunks are so big they are > > > > > > absolutely indigestible.Dog,cat,house,car,husband,wife,country > > > > and on > > > > > > and on.These things are givng the whole world a belly ache.What > > > > is > > > > > > needed is close,close observation that will break up these big > > > > hard > > > > > > chunks into sounds and textures and colors and smells and > > > > tastes.Then > > > > > > we can eat the world and be nourished thereby. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not the conceptual world that should be our > focus.....but the > > > > > sense of we. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > >Let's face it: The focus is gonna be what it's gonna be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah ......... know what the literature says. > > > > > > > > > No free will......and nothing to have it. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is another element......that involves a most peculiar focus. > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta believed what his guru said .....and did it. > > > > > > > > > He was undoubtedly ripe.....and the entire universe had to lean in his > > > direction....but when ripeness and opportunity come together both > > > parties must willing or remove their clothes. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > There is a pull toward separation. > > > > It can be, and has been, explained in many ways: evolution, greed, > > fear, desire, memory, biochemistry and neurology, culture, > > conditioning. Perhaps these all could be viewed as intertwined factors. > > > > To break free from the pull into assumed separation is not the common > > sense way of human life, and therefore is a break from consensus > > reality, from the mutually reinforced assumptions about existence. In > > a sense, it is to " overcome the world " as the New Testament put it. > > It has little to do with philosophical positions about nondual ideas. > > It means to digest the pull into separation and dissolve it. It > > involves deep awareness, understanding. It is to live as a person, > > yet to be free from existing as a person. Someone once said, " I am a > > living dead man. " > > > > Yet, even to say that involves a degree of self-consciousness. > > > > -- D. > > > > > > There seems to be a platform......on the outside edge of Magnus > Machina from which the machine and its workings can be seen as it > lumbers on in the emptyness. > > This 'experience' is non-conceptual......and cannot be > shared.....because......there is really no one to share it with. > > > Who wants to converse with a clot of memories? > > > toombaru there is no 'who'. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conventional mind-set is language based and cuts the world of > > > > > > > experience into big chunks. These chunks are so big they are > > > > > > > absolutely > indigestible.Dog,cat,house,car,husband,wife,country > > > > > and on > > > > > > > and on.These things are givng the whole world a belly > ache.What > > > > > is > > > > > > > needed is close,close observation that will break up these > big > > > > > hard > > > > > > > chunks into sounds and textures and colors and smells and > > > > > tastes.Then > > > > > > > we can eat the world and be nourished thereby. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not the conceptual world that should be our > > focus.....but the > > > > > > sense of we. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > >Let's face it: The focus is gonna be what it's gonna be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah ......... know what the literature says. > > > > > > > > > > > > No free will......and nothing to have it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is another element......that involves a most peculiar focus. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta believed what his guru said .....and did it. > > > > > > > > > > > > He was undoubtedly ripe.....and the entire universe had to lean > in his > > > > direction....but when ripeness and opportunity come together both > > > > parties must willing or remove their clothes. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > There is a pull toward separation. > > > > > > It can be, and has been, explained in many ways: evolution, greed, > > > fear, desire, memory, biochemistry and neurology, culture, > > > conditioning. Perhaps these all could be viewed as intertwined > factors. > > > > > > To break free from the pull into assumed separation is not the common > > > sense way of human life, and therefore is a break from consensus > > > reality, from the mutually reinforced assumptions about existence. In > > > a sense, it is to " overcome the world " as the New Testament put it. > > > It has little to do with philosophical positions about nondual ideas. > > > It means to digest the pull into separation and dissolve it. It > > > involves deep awareness, understanding. It is to live as a person, > > > yet to be free from existing as a person. Someone once said, " I am a > > > living dead man. " > > > > > > Yet, even to say that involves a degree of self-consciousness. > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > > > There seems to be a platform......on the outside edge of Magnus > > Machina from which the machine and its workings can be seen as it > > lumbers on in the emptyness. > > > > This 'experience' is non-conceptual......and cannot be > > shared.....because......there is really no one to share it with. > > > > > > Who wants to converse with a clot of memories? > > > > > > toombaru > > > there is no 'who'. > > .b b.b. > There is this.....Awareness. t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conventional mind-set is language based and cuts the > world of > > > > > > > > experience into big chunks. These chunks are so big they > are > > > > > > > > absolutely > > indigestible.Dog,cat,house,car,husband,wife,country > > > > > > and on > > > > > > > > and on.These things are givng the whole world a belly > > ache.What > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > needed is close,close observation that will break up these > > big > > > > > > hard > > > > > > > > chunks into sounds and textures and colors and smells and > > > > > > tastes.Then > > > > > > > > we can eat the world and be nourished thereby. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not the conceptual world that should be our > > > focus.....but the > > > > > > > sense of we. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > >Let's face it: The focus is gonna be what it's gonna be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah ......... know what the literature says. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No free will......and nothing to have it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is another element......that involves a most peculiar focus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta believed what his guru said .....and did it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He was undoubtedly ripe.....and the entire universe had to lean > > in his > > > > > direction....but when ripeness and opportunity come together both > > > > > parties must willing or remove their clothes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > There is a pull toward separation. > > > > > > > > It can be, and has been, explained in many ways: evolution, greed, > > > > fear, desire, memory, biochemistry and neurology, culture, > > > > conditioning. Perhaps these all could be viewed as intertwined > > factors. > > > > > > > > To break free from the pull into assumed separation is not the > common > > > > sense way of human life, and therefore is a break from consensus > > > > reality, from the mutually reinforced assumptions about > existence. In > > > > a sense, it is to " overcome the world " as the New Testament put it. > > > > It has little to do with philosophical positions about nondual > ideas. > > > > It means to digest the pull into separation and dissolve it. It > > > > involves deep awareness, understanding. It is to live as a person, > > > > yet to be free from existing as a person. Someone once said, " I > am a > > > > living dead man. " > > > > > > > > Yet, even to say that involves a degree of self-consciousness. > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There seems to be a platform......on the outside edge of Magnus > > > Machina from which the machine and its workings can be seen as it > > > lumbers on in the emptyness. > > > > > > This 'experience' is non-conceptual......and cannot be > > > shared.....because......there is really no one to share it with. > > > > > > > > > Who wants to converse with a clot of memories? > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > there is no 'who'. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > There is this.....Awareness. > > > > t. absolutely. flowing everywhere and anywhere and nowhere at all.. right through and through that memory curdling.... yet... caring less. especially about sharing. with 'who'? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > There seems to be a platform......on the outside edge of Magnus > Machina from which the machine and its workings can be seen as it > lumbers on in the emptyness. > > This 'experience' is non-conceptual......and cannot be > shared.....because......there is really no one to share it with. > > > Who wants to converse with a clot of memories? > > > toombaru Yes. The concept-forming structure, is itself conceptual. This can only be understood nonconceptually. The senses don't give input by which concepts are formed, the senses are conceptual. This isn't understood sensorily. Indeed, this nonconceptual understanding cannot possibly by an object-relations scenario, nor a sensory experience. Self is concept. Other is concept. It is the very aloneness and no-thingness of this understanding that " breeds " the pull into conceptual existence. Yet, loneliness, as an emotion, can only arise as a conceptualized (felt) experience, for an assumed self. So, really, the " pull " into conceptual existence (being in time) is acausal, that is uncaused, unpremeditated, spontaneous, choiceless. The instant this acausality is understood, there is no " pull. " ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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