Guest guest Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 I wonder what N. means when he says it is easy to realize the Self if you are honest. " Everything yields to honesty. Without honesty, it is quite impossible. " Que significa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > I wonder what N. means when he says it is easy to realize the Self if > you are honest. " Everything yields to honesty. Without honesty, it is > quite impossible. " Que significa? i am too honest to answer. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > I wonder what N. means when he says it is easy to realize the Self if > you are honest. " Everything yields to honesty. Without honesty, it is > quite impossible. " Que significa? > If the goal is pursued past the realization of the ultimate emptiness of the illusory self......a certain fearlessness percolates down through awareness...and a starkly beautiful honesty looks out upon its mysterious kingdom.....and says: " It is good! " toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > I wonder what N. means when he says it is easy to realize the Self if > > you are honest. " Everything yields to honesty. Without honesty, it is > > quite impossible. " Que significa? > > > > > If the goal is pursued past the realization of the ultimate emptiness > of the illusory self......a certain fearlessness percolates down > through awareness...and a starkly beautiful honesty looks out upon its > mysterious kingdom.....and says: > > " It is good! " > > > > toombaru and fearlessly laughs out loud... in it's own great outside. that's the skinny. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > I wonder what N. means when he says it is easy to realize the Self if > > > you are honest. " Everything yields to honesty. Without honesty, it is > > > quite impossible. " Que significa? > > > > > > > > > If the goal is pursued past the realization of the ultimate emptiness > > of the illusory self......a certain fearlessness percolates down > > through awareness...and a starkly beautiful honesty looks out upon its > > mysterious kingdom.....and says: > > > > " It is good! " > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > and fearlessly laughs out loud... > > in it's own great outside. > > that's the skinny. > > .b b.b. hee heheheheee! what 'goal'??????? 'who's' pursuing what goalpost? the cognitive content of the illusory, empty, self...thingy? 'it's' better 'n Good.. it IS. a big mystery indeed. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I wonder what N. means when he says it is easy to realize the > Self if > > > > you are honest. " Everything yields to honesty. Without honesty, > it is > > > > quite impossible. " Que significa? > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the goal is pursued past the realization of the ultimate emptiness > > > of the illusory self......a certain fearlessness percolates down > > > through awareness...and a starkly beautiful honesty looks out upon its > > > mysterious kingdom.....and says: > > > > > > " It is good! " > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > and fearlessly laughs out loud... > > > > in it's own great outside. > > > > that's the skinny. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > hee heheheheee! > > what 'goal'??????? > > 'who's' pursuing what goalpost? > > the cognitive content of the illusory, empty, self...thingy? > > 'it's' better 'n Good.. > > it IS. > > a big mystery indeed. > > .b b.b. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I wonder what N. means when he says it is easy to realize the > Self if > > > > you are honest. " Everything yields to honesty. Without honesty, > it is > > > > quite impossible. " Que significa? > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the goal is pursued past the realization of the ultimate emptiness > > > of the illusory self......a certain fearlessness percolates down > > > through awareness...and a starkly beautiful honesty looks out upon its > > > mysterious kingdom.....and says: > > > > > > " It is good! " > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > and fearlessly laughs out loud... > > > > in it's own great outside. > > > > that's the skinny. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > hee heheheheee! > > what 'goal'??????? > > 'who's' pursuing what goalpost? > > the cognitive content of the illusory, empty, self...thingy? > > 'it's' better 'n Good.. > > it IS. > > a big mystery indeed. > > .b b.b. >I would say honeslty is something that happens.It comes upon you that you don't have a clue.For a moment it is realized that almost everything you know is imaginary and you really don't know what the f$%k is happening.It is something for most of us that comes and goes. I admit I liked the bit about the starkly beautiful percolator but for the likes of me the above definition will have to do, pro tem at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I wonder what N. means when he says it is easy to realize the > > Self if > > > > > you are honest. " Everything yields to honesty. Without > honesty, > > it is > > > > > quite impossible. " Que significa? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the goal is pursued past the realization of the ultimate > emptiness > > > > of the illusory self......a certain fearlessness percolates > down > > > > through awareness...and a starkly beautiful honesty looks out > upon its > > > > mysterious kingdom.....and says: > > > > > > > > " It is good! " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > and fearlessly laughs out loud... > > > > > > in it's own great outside. > > > > > > that's the skinny. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > hee heheheheee! > > > > what 'goal'??????? > > > > 'who's' pursuing what goalpost? > > > > the cognitive content of the illusory, empty, self...thingy? > > > > 'it's' better 'n Good.. > > > > it IS. > > > > a big mystery indeed. > > > > .b b.b. > >I would say honeslty is something that happens.It comes upon you > that you don't have a clue.For a moment it is realized that almost > everything you know is imaginary and you really don't know what the > f$%k is happening.It is something for most of us that comes and > goes. I admit I liked the bit about the starkly beautiful percolator > but for the likes of me the above definition will have to do, pro > tem at least. sounds good. don't know what sometimes not knowing what the f$%k is happening is. but i never know what the fuck goes on. i set it up that way. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > I wonder what N. means when he says it is easy to realize the Self if > you are honest. " Everything yields to honesty. Without honesty, it is > quite impossible. " Que significa? > to be who you are...is to be honest... to know your own true self....is to be honest... to love your own true self.... is to be honest... be who you are earnestly and let go of all else... ....even the words of the great saints... ....and of course the words of the not so great... .... on words... to the wise the words is empty of power... to the fool the words are more or less powerful... the fool and the words of power go hand in hand in the valley of darkness....the fool is blind of this because his life is mind only to the wise...both the fool and the words of power is not true... the wise is high above the valley of darkness and is the honest and true seeing of the mind... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > I wonder what N. means when he says it is easy to realize the Self if > you are honest. " Everything yields to honesty. Without honesty, it is > quite impossible. " Que significa? > [Note that when he says that he means absolute honesty.] To " realize the Self " is the same as to realize Truth. To realize Truth without absolute honesty is obviously absurd, which is why realization without honesty is impossible. The very nature of " absolute " means that there cannot be absolute commitment to more than one thing. If there is absolute commitment to honesty then in the end one becomes effectively an embodiment of honesty... which is to become one with Truth, which is Self. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > I wonder what N. means when he says it is easy to realize the Self if > > you are honest. " Everything yields to honesty. Without honesty, it is > > quite impossible. " Que significa? > > > > [Note that when he says that he means absolute honesty.] > > To " realize the Self " is the same as to > realize Truth. > > To realize Truth without absolute honesty > is obviously absurd, which is why realization > without honesty is impossible. > > The very nature of " absolute " means that there > cannot be absolute commitment to more than one > thing. If there is absolute commitment to honesty > then in the end one becomes effectively an > embodiment of honesty... which is to become > one with Truth, which is Self. > > > Bill > How can something......which is essentially a lie......be committed to honesty? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > I wonder what N. means when he says it is easy to realize the Self if > > > you are honest. " Everything yields to honesty. Without honesty, it is > > > quite impossible. " Que significa? > > > > > > > [Note that when he says that he means absolute honesty.] > > > > To " realize the Self " is the same as to > > realize Truth. > > > > To realize Truth without absolute honesty > > is obviously absurd, which is why realization > > without honesty is impossible. > > > > The very nature of " absolute " means that there > > cannot be absolute commitment to more than one > > thing. If there is absolute commitment to honesty > > then in the end one becomes effectively an > > embodiment of honesty... which is to become > > one with Truth, which is Self. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > How can something......which is essentially a lie......be committed to > honesty? > > > toombaru > It either is or it isn't. It is not a commitment in the sense of a decision. I said, " If there is absolute commitment to honesty... " (passive voice), NOT " If one makes an absolute commitment... " which is just make-believe in my view. In other words, " absolute commitment to honesty " is not a prescription, but a description. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I wonder what N. means when he says it is easy to realize the > Self if > > > > you are honest. " Everything yields to honesty. Without honesty, > it is > > > > quite impossible. " Que significa? > > > > > > > > > > [Note that when he says that he means absolute honesty.] > > > > > > To " realize the Self " is the same as to > > > realize Truth. > > > > > > To realize Truth without absolute honesty > > > is obviously absurd, which is why realization > > > without honesty is impossible. > > > > > > The very nature of " absolute " means that there > > > cannot be absolute commitment to more than one > > > thing. If there is absolute commitment to honesty > > > then in the end one becomes effectively an > > > embodiment of honesty... which is to become > > > one with Truth, which is Self. > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > How can something......which is essentially a lie......be committed to > > honesty? > > > > > > toombaru > > > > It either is or it isn't. > It is not a commitment in the sense of > a decision. I said, " If there is absolute > commitment to honesty... " (passive voice), > NOT " If one makes an absolute commitment... " > which is just make-believe in my view. > > In other words, " absolute commitment to honesty " > is not a prescription, but a description. > > > Bill > OK :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > I wonder what N. means when he says it is easy to realize the Self if > you are honest. " Everything yields to honesty. Without honesty, it is > quite impossible. " Que significa? Awareness is as it is. There is no impediment. Thus, the only impediment is awareness trying to split itself, divide itself, ignore itself - which can't be done. Therefore, only one's own self-deception is the impediment, only one's self-ignoring activity, one's investment in being something, instead of the no-thing one is. -- D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > I wonder what N. means when he says it is easy to realize the Self if > > you are honest. " Everything yields to honesty. Without honesty, it is > > quite impossible. " Que significa? > > Awareness is as it is. > > There is no impediment. > > Thus, the only impediment is awareness trying to split itself, divide > itself, ignore itself - which can't be done. > > Therefore, only one's own self-deception is the impediment, only one's > self-ignoring activity, one's investment in being something, instead > of the no-thing one is. > > -- D. > However, we are nothing and no-one with THE unassailable task: Live the living waters of life ...Life flowing...in the rivers of I Am. Love, Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > I wonder what N. means when he says it is easy to realize the Self if > > you are honest. " Everything yields to honesty. Without honesty, it is > > quite impossible. " Que significa? > > Awareness is as it is. > > There is no impediment. > > Thus, the only impediment is awareness trying to split itself, divide > itself, ignore itself - which can't be done. > > Therefore, only one's own self-deception is the impediment, only one's > self-ignoring activity, one's investment in being something, instead > of the no-thing one is. > > -- D. > mmm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > I wonder what N. means when he says it is easy to realize the Self if > > > you are honest. " Everything yields to honesty. Without honesty, it is > > > quite impossible. " Que significa? > > > > Awareness is as it is. > > > > There is no impediment. > > > > Thus, the only impediment is awareness trying to split itself, divide > > itself, ignore itself - which can't be done. > > > > Therefore, only one's own self-deception is the impediment, only one's > > self-ignoring activity, one's investment in being something, instead > > of the no-thing one is. > > > > -- D. > > > > However, we are nothing and no-one with THE unassailable task: Live > the living waters of life ...Life flowing...in the rivers of I Am. > > Love, > Anna if it is an inevitable and endless flowing, it is a beginningless flowing. having no beginning, there is no task involved. love back atcha, dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > I wonder what N. means when he says it is easy to realize the Self if > > you are honest. " Everything yields to honesty. Without honesty, it is > > quite impossible. " Que significa? > > Awareness is as it is. > > There is no impediment. > > Thus, the only impediment is awareness trying to split itself, divide > itself, ignore itself - which can't be done. > > Therefore, only one's own self-deception is the impediment, only one's > self-ignoring activity, one's investment in being something, instead > of the no-thing one is. > > -- D. To collapse what you wrote into one line: " The only impediment is one's investment in being something, instead of the no-thing one is. " Kind of hits the spot, I say. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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