Guest guest Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 you can program a robot to say... " there is no person " ... .... " I am not the body " ... " I am not the mind " .... but that does not mean that the robot is aware of his own real self... ..... " non-duality " is only like a subtle form of religion...but if there is merely the copying of some sages words like... " there is no sages and no fools....all is an illusion " ... " there is only one " ...or whatever phrase one choses to use....what is that then ? .....a man can say " I am not blind...I can see " ...but what is seeing to one is blindness to another... it feels like most of the words on this site comes from books or elsewhere...but not from the heart in silence... is there someone here that can use all words freely without fear to say something wrong...or is fear holding everybody in its net ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > you can program a robot to say... " there is no person " ... > ... " I am not the body " ... " I am not the mind " .... > but that does not mean that the robot is aware of his own real self... > .... " non-duality " is only like a subtle form of religion...but if > there is merely the copying of some sages words like... " there is no > sages and no fools....all is an illusion " ... " there is only one " ...or > whatever phrase one choses to use....what is that then ? > ....a man can say " I am not blind...I can see " ...but what is seeing to > one is blindness to another... > it feels like most of the words on this site comes from books or > elsewhere...but not from the heart in silence... > is there someone here that can use all words freely without fear to > say something wrong...or is fear holding everybody in its net ? > All conceptual thought is dream-speak. As soon as a concept is formed.........the natural world is covered over. You are using the cause of the problem in an attempt to see it. ........washing blood with blood. Now...........how about that pony? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > you can program a robot to say... " there is no person " ... > > ... " I am not the body " ... " I am not the mind " .... > > but that does not mean that the robot is aware of his own real self... > > .... " non-duality " is only like a subtle form of religion...but if > > there is merely the copying of some sages words like... " there is no > > sages and no fools....all is an illusion " ... " there is only one " ...or > > whatever phrase one choses to use....what is that then ? > > ....a man can say " I am not blind...I can see " ...but what is seeing to > > one is blindness to another... > > it feels like most of the words on this site comes from books or > > elsewhere...but not from the heart in silence... > > is there someone here that can use all words freely without fear to > > say something wrong...or is fear holding everybody in its net ? > > > > > > > All conceptual thought is dream-speak. > > As soon as a concept is formed.........the natural world is covered over. > > You are using the cause of the problem in an attempt to see it. > > .......washing blood with blood. > > > > Now...........how about that pony? > > > toombaru > maby you dont see the words the way I see them.... I dont mean to cover the real with words... if thats what you see...thats not me doing it... ask yourself " why " words appear to cover the natural world... .....why ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > you can program a robot to say... " there is no person " ... > > > ... " I am not the body " ... " I am not the mind " .... > > > but that does not mean that the robot is aware of his own real > self... > > > .... " non-duality " is only like a subtle form of religion...but > if > > > there is merely the copying of some sages words like... " there is > no > > > sages and no fools....all is an illusion " ... " there is only > one " ...or > > > whatever phrase one choses to use....what is that then ? > > > ....a man can say " I am not blind...I can see " ...but what is > seeing to > > > one is blindness to another... > > > it feels like most of the words on this site comes from books or > > > elsewhere...but not from the heart in silence... > > > is there someone here that can use all words freely without fear > to > > > say something wrong...or is fear holding everybody in its net ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > All conceptual thought is dream-speak. > > > > As soon as a concept is formed.........the natural world is > covered over. > > > > You are using the cause of the problem in an attempt to see it. > > > > .......washing blood with blood. > > > > > > > > Now...........how about that pony? > > > > > > toombaru > > > maby you dont see the words the way I see them.... > I dont mean to cover the real with words... > if thats what you see...thats not me doing it... > ask yourself " why " words appear to cover the natural world... > ....why ? > Ok...I will.........but I gotta tell ya......the natural world just disappeared. :-0 toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > you can program a robot to say... " there is no person " ... > > > > ... " I am not the body " ... " I am not the mind " .... > > > > but that does not mean that the robot is aware of his own real > > self... > > > > .... " non-duality " is only like a subtle form of religion...but > > if > > > > there is merely the copying of some sages words like... " there is > > no > > > > sages and no fools....all is an illusion " ... " there is only > > one " ...or > > > > whatever phrase one choses to use....what is that then ? > > > > ....a man can say " I am not blind...I can see " ...but what is > > seeing to > > > > one is blindness to another... > > > > it feels like most of the words on this site comes from books or > > > > elsewhere...but not from the heart in silence... > > > > is there someone here that can use all words freely without fear > > to > > > > say something wrong...or is fear holding everybody in its net ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All conceptual thought is dream-speak. > > > > > > As soon as a concept is formed.........the natural world is > > covered over. > > > > > > You are using the cause of the problem in an attempt to see it. > > > > > > .......washing blood with blood. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now...........how about that pony? > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > maby you dont see the words the way I see them.... > > I dont mean to cover the real with words... > > if thats what you see...thats not me doing it... > > ask yourself " why " words appear to cover the natural world... > > ....why ? > > > > > > > Ok...I will.........but I gotta tell ya......the natural world just > disappeared. > > > > :-0 > > > > toombaru > so there is nothing covered then....just words... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > you can program a robot to say... " there is no person " ... > > > > > ... " I am not the body " ... " I am not the mind " .... > > > > > but that does not mean that the robot is aware of his own > real > > > self... > > > > > .... " non-duality " is only like a subtle form of > religion...but > > > if > > > > > there is merely the copying of some sages words > like... " there is > > > no > > > > > sages and no fools....all is an illusion " ... " there is only > > > one " ...or > > > > > whatever phrase one choses to use....what is that then ? > > > > > ....a man can say " I am not blind...I can see " ...but what is > > > seeing to > > > > > one is blindness to another... > > > > > it feels like most of the words on this site comes from > books or > > > > > elsewhere...but not from the heart in silence... > > > > > is there someone here that can use all words freely without > fear > > > to > > > > > say something wrong...or is fear holding everybody in its > net ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All conceptual thought is dream-speak. > > > > > > > > As soon as a concept is formed.........the natural world is > > > covered over. > > > > > > > > You are using the cause of the problem in an attempt to see it. > > > > > > > > .......washing blood with blood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now...........how about that pony? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > maby you dont see the words the way I see them.... > > > I dont mean to cover the real with words... > > > if thats what you see...thats not me doing it... > > > ask yourself " why " words appear to cover the natural world... > > > ....why ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok...I will.........but I gotta tell ya......the natural world just > > disappeared. > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > so there is nothing covered then....just words... > Its ooooooonly words...........and words are all I have.......to steal your heart away. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > you can program a robot to say... " there is no person " ... > > > > > ... " I am not the body " ... " I am not the mind " .... > > > > > but that does not mean that the robot is aware of his own > real > > > self... > > > > > .... " non-duality " is only like a subtle form of > religion...but > > > if > > > > > there is merely the copying of some sages words > like... " there is > > > no > > > > > sages and no fools....all is an illusion " ... " there is only > > > one " ...or > > > > > whatever phrase one choses to use....what is that then ? > > > > > ....a man can say " I am not blind...I can see " ...but what is > > > seeing to > > > > > one is blindness to another... > > > > > it feels like most of the words on this site comes from > books or > > > > > elsewhere...but not from the heart in silence... > > > > > is there someone here that can use all words freely without > fear > > > to > > > > > say something wrong...or is fear holding everybody in its > net ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All conceptual thought is dream-speak. > > > > > > > > As soon as a concept is formed.........the natural world is > > > covered over. > > > > > > > > You are using the cause of the problem in an attempt to see it. > > > > > > > > .......washing blood with blood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now...........how about that pony? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > maby you dont see the words the way I see them.... > > > I dont mean to cover the real with words... > > > if thats what you see...thats not me doing it... > > > ask yourself " why " words appear to cover the natural world... > > > ....why ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok...I will.........but I gotta tell ya......the natural world just > > disappeared. > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > so there is nothing covered then....just words... nothing's covered. nothing's hidden. it's 'words' all the way down and all the way up. until there are no more words. that's the Real Deal. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > you can program a robot to say... " there is no person " ... > ... " I am not the body " ... " I am not the mind " .... > but that does not mean that the robot is aware of his own real self... > .... " non-duality " is only like a subtle form of religion...but if > there is merely the copying of some sages words like... " there is no > sages and no fools....all is an illusion " ... " there is only one " ...or > whatever phrase one choses to use....what is that then ? > ....a man can say " I am not blind...I can see " ...but what is seeing to > one is blindness to another... > it feels like most of the words on this site comes from books or > elsewhere...but not from the heart in silence... > is there someone here that can use all words freely without fear to > say something wrong...or is fear holding everybody in its net ? > " is there someone here that can use all words freely without fear to say something wrong. " can't you tell? isn't it rather transparent? Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > you can program a robot to say... " there is no person " ... > > > > > > ... " I am not the body " ... " I am not the mind " .... > > > > > > but that does not mean that the robot is aware of his own > > real > > > > self... > > > > > > .... " non-duality " is only like a subtle form of > > religion...but > > > > if > > > > > > there is merely the copying of some sages words > > like... " there is > > > > no > > > > > > sages and no fools....all is an illusion " ... " there is only > > > > one " ...or > > > > > > whatever phrase one choses to use....what is that then ? > > > > > > ....a man can say " I am not blind...I can see " ...but what is > > > > seeing to > > > > > > one is blindness to another... > > > > > > it feels like most of the words on this site comes from > > books or > > > > > > elsewhere...but not from the heart in silence... > > > > > > is there someone here that can use all words freely without > > fear > > > > to > > > > > > say something wrong...or is fear holding everybody in its > > net ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All conceptual thought is dream-speak. > > > > > > > > > > As soon as a concept is formed.........the natural world is > > > > covered over. > > > > > > > > > > You are using the cause of the problem in an attempt to see it. > > > > > > > > > > .......washing blood with blood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now...........how about that pony? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > maby you dont see the words the way I see them.... > > > > I dont mean to cover the real with words... > > > > if thats what you see...thats not me doing it... > > > > ask yourself " why " words appear to cover the natural world... > > > > ....why ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok...I will.........but I gotta tell ya......the natural world just > > > disappeared. > > > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > so there is nothing covered then....just words... > > > > > > > Its ooooooonly words...........and words are all I have.......to steal > your heart away. toombaru > steal on my friend...here is more than enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > you can program a robot to say... " there is no person " ... > > > > > > ... " I am not the body " ... " I am not the mind " .... > > > > > > but that does not mean that the robot is aware of his own > > real > > > > self... > > > > > > .... " non-duality " is only like a subtle form of > > religion...but > > > > if > > > > > > there is merely the copying of some sages words > > like... " there is > > > > no > > > > > > sages and no fools....all is an illusion " ... " there is only > > > > one " ...or > > > > > > whatever phrase one choses to use....what is that then ? > > > > > > ....a man can say " I am not blind...I can see " ...but what is > > > > seeing to > > > > > > one is blindness to another... > > > > > > it feels like most of the words on this site comes from > > books or > > > > > > elsewhere...but not from the heart in silence... > > > > > > is there someone here that can use all words freely without > > fear > > > > to > > > > > > say something wrong...or is fear holding everybody in its > > net ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All conceptual thought is dream-speak. > > > > > > > > > > As soon as a concept is formed.........the natural world is > > > > covered over. > > > > > > > > > > You are using the cause of the problem in an attempt to see it. > > > > > > > > > > .......washing blood with blood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now...........how about that pony? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > maby you dont see the words the way I see them.... > > > > I dont mean to cover the real with words... > > > > if thats what you see...thats not me doing it... > > > > ask yourself " why " words appear to cover the natural world... > > > > ....why ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok...I will.........but I gotta tell ya......the natural world just > > > disappeared. > > > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > so there is nothing covered then....just words... > > > nothing's covered. > > nothing's hidden. > > it's 'words' all the way down and all the way up. > > until there are no more words. > > that's the Real Deal. > > .b b.b. > raindrops keeps falling from the sky.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > you can program a robot to say... " there is no person " ... > > ... " I am not the body " ... " I am not the mind " .... > > but that does not mean that the robot is aware of his own real self... > > .... " non-duality " is only like a subtle form of religion...but if > > there is merely the copying of some sages words like... " there is no > > sages and no fools....all is an illusion " ... " there is only one " ...or > > whatever phrase one choses to use....what is that then ? > > ....a man can say " I am not blind...I can see " ...but what is seeing to > > one is blindness to another... > > it feels like most of the words on this site comes from books or > > elsewhere...but not from the heart in silence... > > is there someone here that can use all words freely without fear to > > say something wrong...or is fear holding everybody in its net ? > > > > " is there someone here that can use all words freely without fear to > say something wrong. " > > can't you tell? > > isn't it rather transparent? > > > Bill > transparency dont fear nothing...not ever fear itself... so any word will be as good or as bad as any other word... I dont fear words....not even if they are apparently wrong-saying... words are there...they are being used...sometimes they are like a spilled glass of milk...and sometimes they get sour...but I am free fromm all words whatsoever... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > you can program a robot to say... " there is no person " ... > > > ... " I am not the body " ... " I am not the mind " .... > > > but that does not mean that the robot is aware of his own real > self... > > > .... " non-duality " is only like a subtle form of religion...but > if > > > there is merely the copying of some sages words like... " there is > no > > > sages and no fools....all is an illusion " ... " there is only > one " ...or > > > whatever phrase one choses to use....what is that then ? > > > ....a man can say " I am not blind...I can see " ...but what is > seeing to > > > one is blindness to another... > > > it feels like most of the words on this site comes from books or > > > elsewhere...but not from the heart in silence... > > > is there someone here that can use all words freely without fear > to > > > say something wrong...or is fear holding everybody in its net ? > > > > > > > " is there someone here that can use all words freely without fear > to > > say something wrong. " > > > > can't you tell? > > > > isn't it rather transparent? > > > > > > Bill > > > transparency dont fear nothing...not ever fear itself... > so any word will be as good or as bad as any other word... > I dont fear words....not even if they are apparently wrong-saying... > words are there...they are being used...sometimes they are like a > spilled glass of milk...and sometimes they get sour...but I am free > fromm all words whatsoever... > Anything downstream from " I am " is delusion. (No........I said delusion......not presumption) toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > you can program a robot to say... " there is no person " ... > > > > ... " I am not the body " ... " I am not the mind " .... > > > > but that does not mean that the robot is aware of his own real > > self... > > > > .... " non-duality " is only like a subtle form of religion...but > > if > > > > there is merely the copying of some sages words like... " there is > > no > > > > sages and no fools....all is an illusion " ... " there is only > > one " ...or > > > > whatever phrase one choses to use....what is that then ? > > > > ....a man can say " I am not blind...I can see " ...but what is > > seeing to > > > > one is blindness to another... > > > > it feels like most of the words on this site comes from books or > > > > elsewhere...but not from the heart in silence... > > > > is there someone here that can use all words freely without fear > > to > > > > say something wrong...or is fear holding everybody in its net ? > > > > > > > > > > " is there someone here that can use all words freely without fear > > to > > > say something wrong. " > > > > > > can't you tell? > > > > > > isn't it rather transparent? > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > transparency dont fear nothing...not ever fear itself... > > so any word will be as good or as bad as any other word... > > I dont fear words....not even if they are apparently wrong- saying... > > words are there...they are being used...sometimes they are like a > > spilled glass of milk...and sometimes they get sour...but I am free > > fromm all words whatsoever... > > Anything downstream from " I am " is delusion. > > (No........I said delusion......not presumption) > > > toombaru > everything that appears is downstream from I am.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > you can program a robot to say... " there is no person " ... > > > > > ... " I am not the body " ... " I am not the mind " .... > > > > > but that does not mean that the robot is aware of his own > real > > > self... > > > > > .... " non-duality " is only like a subtle form of > religion...but > > > if > > > > > there is merely the copying of some sages words > like... " there is > > > no > > > > > sages and no fools....all is an illusion " ... " there is only > > > one " ...or > > > > > whatever phrase one choses to use....what is that then ? > > > > > ....a man can say " I am not blind...I can see " ...but what is > > > seeing to > > > > > one is blindness to another... > > > > > it feels like most of the words on this site comes from > books or > > > > > elsewhere...but not from the heart in silence... > > > > > is there someone here that can use all words freely without > fear > > > to > > > > > say something wrong...or is fear holding everybody in its > net ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > " is there someone here that can use all words freely without > fear > > > to > > > > say something wrong. " > > > > > > > > can't you tell? > > > > > > > > isn't it rather transparent? > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > transparency dont fear nothing...not ever fear itself... > > > so any word will be as good or as bad as any other word... > > > I dont fear words....not even if they are apparently wrong- > saying... > > > words are there...they are being used...sometimes they are like > a > > > spilled glass of milk...and sometimes they get sour...but I am > free > > > fromm all words whatsoever... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anything downstream from " I am " is delusion. > > > > (No........I said delusion......not presumption) > > > > > > toombaru > > > everything that appears is downstream from I am.... Yes. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > you can program a robot to say... " there is no person " ... > > ... " I am not the body " ... " I am not the mind " .... > > but that does not mean that the robot is aware of his own real self... > > .... " non-duality " is only like a subtle form of religion...but if > > there is merely the copying of some sages words like... " there is no > > sages and no fools....all is an illusion " ... " there is only one " ...or > > whatever phrase one choses to use....what is that then ? > > ....a man can say " I am not blind...I can see " ...but what is seeing to > > one is blindness to another... > > it feels like most of the words on this site comes from books or > > elsewhere...but not from the heart in silence... > > is there someone here that can use all words freely without fear to > > say something wrong...or is fear holding everybody in its net ? > > > > " is there someone here that can use all words freely without fear to > say something wrong. " > > can't you tell? > > isn't it rather transparent? > > > Bill go get 'em tiger! show 'em what that transparent paper's made of! ..b bobji b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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